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Cowlesy
09-01-2010, 04:35 PM
http://www.takimag.com/site/article/glenn_beck_beggar-in-chief/#When:04:00:27Z

I love Derb's take on Beck, and the 8/28 rally.


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I’ve somehow missed out on the Glenn Beck phenomenon. My entire exposure to the guy has been from his occasional appearances on the O’Reilly show, which I watch from long habit. Beck’s persona there is goofy. He giggles, hams, pulls faces, and banters with O’Reilly. It’s entertaining, which of course is what it’s intended to be—a bit of light relief in among the Big Mick’s newsier items.

I’ve never caught Beck’s own show, though, or read any of his books. That’s not from any aversion: I just don’t catch much radio or TV, and read books mostly for money (i.e. reviewer’s fee). My entire image of Beck has been of that amiable jokester on O’Reilly.

Well, plainly Glenn Beck has a more serious side, and some major promotional skills too. His August 28 rally at the Lincoln Memorial was a big success, and very serious in intent. It called Americans to their traditional virtues of self-support, self-reliance, and suspicion of the revenuer. It honored the armed forces and family life. There was a strong religious theme. Beck urged the crowd to: “Recognize your place to the Creator. Realize that He is our king. He is the one who guides and directs our life and protects us.”

Beck’s Lincoln Memorial crowd is not my crowd, for reasons I’ve explained at length elsewhere (and long since taken my lumps for—spare me the emails). Had I been at the rally last Saturday I’d have been silently grumbling to myself the usual pedantic grumbles that come to me in gatherings of that kind: Don’t Americans know any other hymns besides “Amazing Grace”? Has everyone but me forgotten that Evangelicals were hot for Jimmy Carter in ‘76? Etc., etc.

Reflecting on the event, and scanning through some of the commentary on it, I’m left with mixed feelings, the center of gravity of the mixture well in the pessimistic zone.

On the one had, of course I was glad to see the Beckites/Tea Partiers out there in such numbers, and glad for the success of the rally. They jabbed a finger in the eyes not only of the left-liberal elites, but of the clueless and pusillanimous Republican establishment, who wouldn’t touch Glenn Beck and his followers with a barge pole, other than to coo some sweet nothings at them when there are votes to be harvested. I hate liberals and I regard the Republican establishment the way Evelyn Waugh‘s friend regarded the modern world: “with calm despair.” So put me down as, if not precisely pro-Beck—still not knowing enough about the guy and his views—quite definitely anti-anti-Beck.

On the other hand, as with most conservatism nowadays, I was left with the impression of a crowd of people marching east on the deck of a west-bound ship. The underlying concepts of Beckism are all liberal. They dare not be otherwise, or Beck would lose his TV show, his O’Reilly spots, his publisher and sponsors, Sarah Palin (and all his other links to official Republicanism), and be cast into outer darkness. To pursue the ship analogy, he would have jumped overboard. All public displays in our society, from 30-second TV commercials to Acts of Congress, are constructed on liberal premises. That’s the direction the ship is sailing—westward, to the left.

Hence Beck’s extravagant praise for Martin Luther King, a radical leftist. Hence the failure to mention uncomfortable truths like, to take a random sample:

* the impossibility of continuing federal entitlements at anything like their present levels;
* the radical reduction in public services and public employment that would follow if tax rates were lowered to the degree Beck and his supporters claim to wish;
* the mad folly of giving settlement visas to a million foreigners a year when unemployment stands at ten percent;
* the doubleplus-mad folly of permitting illegal settlement of millions of Mexican and Central American peasants to form a permanent new underclass making huge new demands on government services;
* the gross and pointless squandering of public monies on crackpot schemes of education reform;
* the certainly and inevitably nation-destroying effect of permitting public employees to unionize;
* the impossibility of effective law enforcement without racial profiling;
* the absurdity of waging war not to crush and demoralize the enemy, but to transform his nation into 1955 Oklahoma.
* the infantile narcissism of believing that all life’s ills have a remedy in law;
* the contradiction inherent in wishing for a health-care system that (a) has no socialist component, or only a modest one, while (b) providing every known treatment or level of care to every condition for everyone;
* the doubleplus contradiction inherent in the previous bullet point when the genome can be cheaply and rapidly sequenced.

Beck himself is a smart man who knows plenty of true things. Following Gates-gate last year, Beck said that Barack Obama nurses “a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.” That is certainly true: the truth of it shines out from every page—and even from the title!—of the President’s autobiography. Unfortunately it is not a liberal truth, so Beck has been apologizing for it ever since in the most groveling, abject terms.

Political scientist Karl Wittfogel coined the phrase “a beggar’s democracy.” This refers to the more relaxed sort of despotism in which the lower orders—the beggars—are permitted some modest freedoms of expression, so long as they do not challenge the basic assumptions of the state ideology too boldly.

Frederick the Great boasted that his people were free to say what they liked, so long as he was free to do what he liked. Early 21st-century America is dominated by mass media in a way that Frederick’s Prussia could not be, so the formula has changed somewhat. Like Frederick’s subjects, we are free to say what we like. If we wish to be heard outside the bar-room, though, we are free only to say what liberals approve of, or at least don’t disapprove of too much. We may stroll east along the ship’s deck, and peer wistfully from the taffrail at the disappearing vision of our homeland, but we may do nothing to impede the ship’s westward progress. The engine room is strictly out of bounds—there are armed guards posted.

We live in a beggar’s democracy. Glenn Beck is our current Beggar-in-Chief. If he tries to become anything more—and I suspect he is too smart, and making too much money, and having too much fun, to essay the attempt—the liberal elites, with establishment Republicans in the lead, will toss him overboard without a qualm.

Full speed ahead! Westward Ho! Iceberg? What iceberg?



http://www.takimag.com/site/article/glenn_beck_beggar-in-chief/#When:04:00:27Z

BlackSand
09-01-2010, 04:43 PM
Im confused. Is this sarcasm? Beck a leftist who supports big government?

Cowlesy
09-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Im confused. Is this sarcasm? Beck a leftist who supports big government?

You must not have read the article in its entirety. I don't like to bold stuff because people skip over the context.

Derbyshire outlines a bunch of bullet-points, that if Beck were a serious conservative, he'd be hawking. Also, as Derb notes, he doesn't follow Beck, but based on the speech, it was just pushing liberal crap.

BlackSand
09-01-2010, 04:55 PM
I did read it all. And he says that Beck supports or skips over certain true conservative points. Even though he is quite adamantly against those things.

Stary Hickory
09-01-2010, 04:59 PM
Well guys this is why i said I was bored....it was supposed to be non-political so it wasn't about any real issues. And yea Beck still has an alarming faith in government, one of his idols is Lincoln....and that really speaks volumes right there.

Stary Hickory
09-01-2010, 05:00 PM
I did read it all. And he says that Beck supports or skips over certain true conservative points. Even though he is quite adamantly against those things.

Yep I understand this, but the thing is the rally was non-politcal so Beck did not delve into these things or into ANYTHING of substance.....

Anti Federalist
09-02-2010, 10:57 AM
Marching westward on east bound ship, with the engine room (and wheelhouse) surrounded by heavily armed guards.

Very, very apt.


but of the clueless and pusillanimous Republican establishment

That made me LoL.

Cowlesy
09-02-2010, 11:00 AM
Marching westward on east bound ship, with the engine room (and wheelhouse) surrounded by heavily armed guards.

Very, very apt.



That made me LoL.

One time I saw a comment on an NRO article that pondered, "Why does John Derbyshire even write for National Review? The guy is not even conservative." It cracked me up because he's probably the only conservative that writes at NRO that I read regularly (though this article he did for Takimag, probably because NRO wouldn't like it).

Anti Federalist
09-02-2010, 11:39 AM
One time I saw a comment on an NRO article that pondered, "Why does John Derbyshire even write for National Review? The guy is not even conservative." It cracked me up because he's probably the only conservative that writes at NRO that I read regularly (though this article he did for Takimag, probably because NRO wouldn't like it).

That's always meat for a healthy discussion.

What is a "conservative"?

Cowlesy
09-02-2010, 12:07 PM
That's always meat for a healthy discussion.

What is a "conservative"?

A pessimist!!
http://www.amazon.com/Are-Doomed-Reclaiming-Conservative-Pessimism/dp/0307409589/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283450571&sr=8-1

rprprs
09-02-2010, 12:52 PM
A pessimist!!
http://www.amazon.com/Are-Doomed-Reclaiming-Conservative-Pessimism/dp/0307409589/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1283450571&sr=8-1

And Derbyshire is definitely one of those!

His article on the long-term prospects for the Tea Party entitled No Life on MARs is a case in point. It was posted here before but, as I recall, got little attention or comment.

Nonetheless, in my mind, it is one of the most insightful (and brilliantly written) articles on the subject.

You can check it out again here (http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/USPolitics/mars.html).

Anti Federalist
09-02-2010, 01:01 PM
And Derbyshire is definitely one of those!

His article on the long-term prospects for the Tea Party entitled No Life on MARs is a case in point. It was posted here before but, as I recall, got little attention or comment.

Nonetheless, in my mind, it is one of the most insightful (and brilliantly written) articles on the subject.

You can check it out again here (http://www.johnderbyshire.com/Opinions/USPolitics/mars.html).

Thanks for that.

Cowlesy is a big fan of the Derb, for many good reasons.

Not the least of which is truth bombs like this one:

So it will be with the Tea Partiers. I see no sign that the liberal THE (Fixed that for ya' John, the system is neither left nor right, it is simply authoritarian - AF) establishment is seriously concerned by them. Everyone understands that the Obama administration was reckless, turning up the heat too high under that pot in which the proverbial frog is being boiled. The heat will be turned down so that the boiling can continue at its former barely-perceptible pace. The Tea Partiers will be marginalized by appeals to political correctness, a thing easily done as practically all of them are white. The less committed will drift away; the minority that remain will be folded in to the Republican Party, after first being subjected to a brief, painless operation to remove the "R" from "MAR." Peace will descend, and all will be as it was, the elite secure in its power, the underclass secure with its dole, the middle classes back on the treadmill to pay the bills run up by the elites and their clients. Our rulers will say what imperial Chinese generals used to say after laying waste some rebellious prefecture: Harmony has been restored.

Cowlesy
09-02-2010, 01:16 PM
Thanks for that.

Cowlesy is a big fan of the Derb, for many good reasons.

Not the least of which is truth bombs like this one:

So it will be with the Tea Partiers. I see no sign that the liberal THE (Fixed that for ya' John, the system is neither left nor right, it is simply authoritarian - AF) establishment is seriously concerned by them. Everyone understands that the Obama administration was reckless, turning up the heat too high under that pot in which the proverbial frog is being boiled. The heat will be turned down so that the boiling can continue at its former barely-perceptible pace. The Tea Partiers will be marginalized by appeals to political correctness, a thing easily done as practically all of them are white. The less committed will drift away; the minority that remain will be folded in to the Republican Party, after first being subjected to a brief, painless operation to remove the "R" from "MAR." Peace will descend, and all will be as it was, the elite secure in its power, the underclass secure with its dole, the middle classes back on the treadmill to pay the bills run up by the elites and their clients. Our rulers will say what imperial Chinese generals used to say after laying waste some rebellious prefecture: Harmony has been restored.

I am a fan, and rprprs, "No Life on MARs" is a great article!

The reason I like Derb is because I feel that he says exactly what he thinks, damned the torpedoes. I don't feel that he strains to nuance his points, whether or not I agree with him (and there are many points on which I disagree).

The potshots at Derb usually follow the points below:

I've heard him called a crazy Christian. (He's a non-believer)

I've heard him portrayed as a white nationalist. (He's married to an asian woman and has two adorable mixed kids)

Anti-semite as he's against all foreign aid. (He still supports Israel ex-foreign aid)

So pretty much everyone has a BS reason to not like him, because he says stuff that people don't like or don't want to hear. For such a stodgy curmudgeon, he puts a ton of his personal life online. He's got pics up of his dog along with stories, his kids, wife, his building of a tree house, turning his attic into a study.

I just find him to be an interesting chap, who writes very un-PC stuff that the left has programmed us to be auto-against.

Keep on with your bad self, Derb!

AuH20
09-02-2010, 01:21 PM
Thanks for that.

Cowlesy is a big fan of the Derb, for many good reasons.

Not the least of which is truth bombs like this one:

So it will be with the Tea Partiers. I see no sign that the liberal THE (Fixed that for ya' John, the system is neither left nor right, it is simply authoritarian - AF) establishment is seriously concerned by them. Everyone understands that the Obama administration was reckless, turning up the heat too high under that pot in which the proverbial frog is being boiled. The heat will be turned down so that the boiling can continue at its former barely-perceptible pace. The Tea Partiers will be marginalized by appeals to political correctness, a thing easily done as practically all of them are white. The less committed will drift away; the minority that remain will be folded in to the Republican Party, after first being subjected to a brief, painless operation to remove the "R" from "MAR." Peace will descend, and all will be as it was, the elite secure in its power, the underclass secure with its dole, the middle classes back on the treadmill to pay the bills run up by the elites and their clients. Our rulers will say what imperial Chinese generals used to say after laying waste some rebellious prefecture: Harmony has been restored.

Not if the economy implodes. They have 3-4 years max. The establishment's foothold would be permanently threatened if their distraction machine grinds to a screeching halt. They'll try to wait out the grassroots but too much info has been spilled over the last 2 years. What I'm waiting for is the militant transformation of a portion of the tea party. That's not such an outlandish prediction.

Imaginos
09-02-2010, 01:29 PM
Beggar in Chief?
More likely, he is THE infiltrator in Chief (along with Sarah Palin, of course)

Anti Federalist
09-02-2010, 01:40 PM
Not if the economy implodes. The establishment's foothold would be permanently threatened if their distraction machine grinds to a screeching halt. They'll try to wait out the grassroots but too much info has been spilled over the last 2 years. What I'm waiting for is the militant transformation of a portion of the tea party. That's not such an outlandish prediction.

I posted this reply in another thread, but I think it fits here as well.

We wait, and bide our time, until one of these two options start to play out:

YouTube - Talking Heads- Life During Wartime (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COlw977yrmE)

Or this:


http://z.about.com/d/history1900s/1/0/b/A/prisoner15.jpg

Cowlesy
10-15-2010, 09:40 PM
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Stary Hickory
10-15-2010, 09:51 PM
Ok well the author of this article is full of fail because he ignores the fact the rally was advertised and promoted as a non political rally. And for the most part it was, it was very boring, lacked substance and was very religious. Why? Because Beck said it would be about "faith"...and it was.

So really I find this dudes article completely retarded. There was a reason that list of things he has there was not brought up, because there was an effort to make the rally about faith and not politics. It was not 100% successful in these regards but it definitely changed the format and message of the rally quite a bit.

Beck has a love of lincoln that makes me want to puke, he bring religion into things when a logical rational argument would be a better tool(I view religious right/wrong arguments as being intellectually lazy...would God want you to be intellectually lazy Beck?). He also still adheres to the view that the US should meddle in the affairs of others, which I disagree with completely.

Agorism
10-15-2010, 10:09 PM
MLK was awesome in my opinion.

FrankRep
10-15-2010, 10:19 PM
You must not have read the article in its entirety. I don't like to bold stuff because people skip over the context.

Derbyshire outlines a bunch of bullet-points, that if Beck were a serious conservative, he'd be hawking. Also, as Derb notes, he doesn't follow Beck, but based on the speech, it was just pushing liberal crap.

Glenn Beck supports the idea of the "color blind" society that Martin Luther King talked about, but Beck is stealing the "Civil Rights" movement away from the Socialists and making it based on the Constitution and Free Markets.

Derbyshire admits he doesn't watch the show and doesn't know what Glenn Beck stands for so why on earth is he writing an article on something he's completely ignorant about? That's just plain nonsense.

JohnEngland
10-16-2010, 02:50 AM
You must not have read the article in its entirety. I don't like to bold stuff because people skip over the context.

Derbyshire outlines a bunch of bullet-points, that if Beck were a serious conservative, he'd be hawking. Also, as Derb notes, he doesn't follow Beck, but based on the speech, it was just pushing liberal crap.

But this wasn't what Beck's rally was about at all. Derbyshire seems to think that it was some sort of Tea Party event - like others have also thought, including, sadly, the Southern Avenger. But it was nothing of the kind.

Beck repeatedly said it was a religious (well, "faith") event and so had absolutely nothing to do with politics. Too many people seem to have missed this essential point and are now complaining "gee, i really wish glenn wasn't transforming the tea party into a divisive religious thing..."

Separate the Tea Party and Glenn Beck's event. They are different things.

JohnEngland
10-16-2010, 02:58 AM
Derbyshire admits he doesn't watch the show and doesn't know what Glenn Beck stands for so why on earth is he writing an article on something he's completely ignorant about? That's just plain nonsense.

I was thinking this, too. Beck has endlessly talked about slashing government spending and abolishing departments - he even suggested that the military could be privatised!

I think far too many people who don't watch/listen to Beck have formed opinions of the man based on a few events, sound bites or YouTube clips.

He's a complex guy - very erratic, all over the place and learning on the go, but discussing important issues and overall headed in the right direction. All the other news media people (O'Reilly, Hannity, Maddow etc.) seem set in their ways. However, watching Beck feels like watching someone who has got a glimpse of the truth and is now eagerly telling others about what he's learning as he goes along.

itshappening
10-16-2010, 08:38 AM
Beck supported TARP, another faker

when it comes to it he will fall in line.