Glenn Beck and Libertarianism

[Jordan]

I need your help.

I'm making an easy to reference page about how Glenn Beck is not a libertarian. It will include sources, evidence, and finally a comparison chart to compare libertarian positions to that of Glenn Beck.

So, if anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. Also, if you have any input as to were the two agree/differ, I'd like to see that, too.

[dean.engelhardt]

I don't follow Glenn Beck as closly as some, but it I think he changes his positions regulary. I think he is more of a libertarian now than 2 years ago.

Why is important to prove he is not a libertarian?

[FrankRep]

Ron Paul is not a Libertarian, but he's a Constitutionalist.

:)

[Seraphim]

I don't follow Glenn Beck as closly as some, but it I think he changes his positions regulary. I think he is more of a libertarian now than 2 years ago.

Why is important to prove he is not a libertarian?

He is not more libertarian than two years ago: his message has changed to fit the mood of the people to garner votes for the people that pay his multi million dollar salary.

[Seraphim]

Ron Paul is not a Libertarian, but he's a Constitutionalist.

:)

8 ounce orange compared to a 9 ounce orange.

[dean.engelhardt]

He is not more libertarian than two years ago: his message has changed to fit the mood of the people to garner votes for the people that pay his multi million dollar salary.

Like I said, I don't follow him close, so I'll take your word for it. My limited exposer is that he is more influenced today by Judge N., two years ago he was a Sean Hannity wannabe. I prefer to watch Jerry Springer anytime. When I want to watch a political program, I always tune into the Judge. Best political program on the air.

[Elwar]

He supported the bailout.
He called Ron Paul supporters terrorists.
He attacked the only libertarian candidate for governor in Texas.

He says he doesn't like the people on the far left as well as the far right. That we need to all be in the center.

[paulitics]

Beck is only a libertarian if civil liberties, and wars of aggression don't matter. The truth is Beck does not care about those issues.

[BlackSand]

He doesnt support the bailout, and has spent several episodes explaining why he oringinally did, but doesnt anymore.
He has said "I am more Ron Paul than I am Sarah Palin"
He supports the legalization of marijuana.
He said he agrees with Ron Paul about the Federal Reserve (dont know EXACTLY what that means...)
He consistently calls McCain a progressive
He is against the Patriot Act

As far as I can tell, even though he used to be a mainstream republican, he is a NEO libertarian. Pro Israel, pro invading Iraq (I think), pro Afghan war, pro troop surge....Or at least thats what he was when I watched him. Hes definitely moving in the right direction. But hes not there yet.

Your essay is going to be really hard because he has changed so much in the last 2 years.

Im trying to think what else. I think his position on gay marriage is that he is for Civil unions. Dont really recall though.

[Slutter McGee]

Not quite sure how this idea does us anygood. And besides if you took all my positions and comments over the last ten years, then I am a huge flip flopper

[AuH2O]

He is not more libertarian than two years ago: his message has changed to fit the mood of the people to garner votes for the people that pay his multi million dollar salary.

I don't think I agree with that at all. The bigger shift in his message has been to overt religiosity; do you think evangelical christian conservatism has made more of a comeback in the last two years than libertarianism? If not, your theory does not hold water.

[AuH2O]

Not quite sure how this idea does us anygood. And besides if you took all my positions and comments over the last ten years, then I am a huge flip flopper

Ain't that the truth. Flip flopping is only a bad thing if you are actually making policy before your change of heart. Politicians don't get to flip-flop; private individuals do -- even Glenn Beck.

[Sentient Void]

Hrmmmm let's see. In the past 10 years I've been a socialist (right out of the govt schools), to a centrist, to a raging neocon imperialist bastard, to being apathetic and uncaring, to a libertarian minarchist, and now for the past 1-2 years, AnCap.

Keep a skeptical eye, but cut the dude *some* slack. He's not there yet, but he's been moving in the right direction.

[robert68]

He thinks Blackwater is a private company.

[BlackSand]

He thinks Blackwater is a private company.

Does being a contractor make you part of the government?

[robert68]

Does being a contractor make you part of the government?

When over 90 percent of a company’s revenue comes from government contracts, it’s not private. It’s “private” I suspect, in order to be able to get away with things it wouldn’t otherwise be able to.

[Seraphim]

I don't think I agree with that at all. The bigger shift in his message has been to overt religiosity; do you think evangelical christian conservatism has made more of a comeback in the last two years than libertarianism? If not, your theory does not hold water.

I don't know, I'm not in the states so I do not have a full scope of things.

[Elwar]

He doesnt support the bailout, and has spent several episodes explaining why he oringinally did, but doesnt anymore.
He has said "I am more Ron Paul than I am Sarah Palin"
He supports the legalization of marijuana.
He said he agrees with Ron Paul about the Federal Reserve (dont know EXACTLY what that means...)
He consistently calls McCain a progressive
He is against the Patriot Act

As far as I can tell, even though he used to be a mainstream republican, he is a NEO libertarian. Pro Israel, pro invading Iraq (I think), pro Afghan war, pro troop surge....Or at least thats what he was when I watched him. Hes definitely moving in the right direction. But hes not there yet.

Your essay is going to be really hard because he has changed so much in the last 2 years.

Im trying to think what else. I think his position on gay marriage is that he is for Civil unions. Dont really recall though.


Fair enough.

Glenn Beck is a libertarian.

When being a libertarian is popular.

[BlackSand]

Fair enough.

Glenn Beck is a libertarian.

When being a libertarian is popular.

You forget that he helped make it popular. Tea Parties are big because of him and Fox. Not Ron Paul.

[Elwar]

You forget that he helped make it popular. Tea Parties are big because of him and Fox. Not Ron Paul.

Neo-Parties are popular because of Glenn Beck.

Anti-Tax Anti-War Tea Parties were popular thanks to Ron Paul.

I can't believe anyone still defends Glenn Beck after he's made it abundantly clear this past weekend that he's planning on re-energizing the religious right to stop the whole liberty movement.

Any pro-liberty thing he says is solely because it's the popular thing to say that week.

[BlackSand]

I dont see it as re energizing the religious right. He never advocates combining church and state in any form.

Neo Parties are the fringe. Anti war tea parties are the fringe. anti tax is what the tea Party is famous for. And it was created by Paul, perfected by Beck.

And I disagree. I honestly think hes gotten more people to join the libertarian party than RP ever has. Yes, hes said some very stupid things, and I disagree with him on quite a few things. But I cant deny that he IS spreading the message of liberty. And hes reaching a much wider audience than RP.

[Stary Hickory]

He is not libertarian, because he is not consistent with his views. He is libertarian leaning, more so than 90% of media persona.

His main problems are love of Lincoln and whatever residual support he has for the wars not to mention he still adheres to the progressive idea of making the world safe for democracy. He is a mixed bag really.

[BlackSand]

Moderate Libertarian. More mainstream. Leaning towards the right. Less educated. But still libertarian.

[LibertyVox]

Here's what Glenn Beck is: a mediocre charlatan. He's that whackjob on the street corner with a megaphone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone) in his hand, spouting all kinds of maudlin crap, with having only a minimal understanding of what he wants to say.
Only in America, a Hyde Park material would be able to muster that many sheeple to the tune of his broken pipe.

He is not a libertarian, he is a fashionable Republican conservative who loves to throw out steaks and currently the fashionable wear is neo conservatism in what he would pitifully describe as "real America". Full of self contradictions and juvenile emotional rage, this shill is hardly worth the sweat of any one who is emulsified in the ideas put forth by Ron Paul. What does that mean? Well it means that Ron Paul was right when he said Freedom is popular. And even though RP is far from being mainstream, his scream Libertas has shaken the entire establishment's boat. And the moment that garnered attention amongst many of us (thanks to alternative sources including youtube), we saw even the most vile creatures including let's-invade-bomb-convert-then-to-Christianity Coulter, hug-me-validate-me-the-world-is-ending Beck...et alum.

Of course a person is allowed to grow, he is allowed to change. But Beck is a pathetic showman. There are those who are honest learners and inquirers, then there are those who take whatever is popular and sell it to t he hungry mob. I do not think he is all fake, I just think he has a very low intellect and that is because of his world view and loves to act like preacher. Mind you I didn't say low IQ. Never really liked the use of that often vaguely defined biologically immutable abbr. to describe something like this.

Glenn Beck is not a libertarian. He is Benny Hinn-ist:


YouTube - Benny Hinn: Let the Bodies Hit the Floor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI)

[heavenlyboy34]

Here's what Glenn Beck is: a mediocre charlatan. He's that whackjob on the street corner with a megaphone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone) in his hand, spouting all kinds of maudlin crap, with having only a minimal understanding of what he wants to say.
Only in America, a Hyde Park material would be able to muster that many sheeple to the tune of his broken pipe.

He is not a libertarian, he is a fashionable Republican conservative who loves to throw out steaks and currently the fashionable wear is neo conservatism in what he would pitifully describe as "real America". Full of self contradictions and juvenile emotional rage, this shill is hardly worth the sweat of any one who is emulsified in the ideas put forth by Ron Paul. What does that mean? Well it means that Ron Paul was right when he said Freedom is popular. And even though RP is far from being mainstream, his scream Libertas has shaken the entire establishment's boat. And the moment that garnered attention amongst many of us (thanks to alternative sources including youtube), we saw even the most vile creatures including let's-invade-bomb-convert-then-to-Christianity Coulter, hug-me-validate-me-the-world-is-ending Beck...et alum.

Of course a person is allowed to grow, he is allowed to change. But Beck is a pathetic showman. There are those who are honest learners and inquirers, then there are those who take whatever is popular and sell it to t he hungry mob. I do not think he is all fake, I just think he has a very low intellect and that is because of his world view and loves to act like preacher. Mind you I didn't say low IQ. Never really liked the use of that often vaguely defined biologically immutable abbr. to describe something like this.

Glenn Beck is not a libertarian. He is Benny Hinn-ist:


YouTube - Benny Hinn: Let the Bodies Hit the Floor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI)

I totally agree.

[BlackSand]

Far be it from me to theorize and who Beck actually is. But today I watched an episode for the first time in a few months and I agreed with everything he said. And I think 90% of this forum would have agreed with everything he said. The only thing that would upset anyone would be how he presents it all. Talk of God and he honks his own horn. But other than that...you would have approved. Ron Paul would have approved.

[jclay2]

Far be it from me to theorize and who Beck actually is. But today I watched an episode for the first time in a few months and I agreed with everything he said. And I think 90% of this forum would have agreed with everything he said. The only thing that would upset anyone would be how he presents it all. Talk of God and he honks his own horn. But other than that...you would have approved. Ron Paul would have approved.

The problem is when he comes out gunning against real liberty liberty candidates like ron paul and blindly backs mainstream republican candidates who don't stand for anything he supposedly believes.

[Deborah K]

Far be it from me to theorize and who Beck actually is. But today I watched an episode for the first time in a few months and I agreed with everything he said. And I think 90% of this forum would have agreed with everything he said. The only thing that would upset anyone would be how he presents it all. Talk of God and he honks his own horn. But other than that...you would have approved. Ron Paul would have approved.

His show today was excellent. Who else is telling Americans that there is a plan to collapse the economy.

[BlackSand]

How did he do this year about the elections? Did he attack any of hte liberty candidates? Or support any mainstream republicans?


His show today was excellent. Who else is telling Americans that there is a plan to collapse the economy.

Forgot about that...Yes, hes kind of a fear monger. >_> You always bring me back to reality Deborah.

[RonPaulGetsIt]

Beck is a libertarian when nothing is on the line.

Then when something is on the line and he has all the libertarians listening he tells them to vote for whoever his fox bosses tell him.

[Deborah K]

How did he do this year about the elections? Did he attack any of hte liberty candidates? Or support any mainstream republicans?



Forgot about that...Yes, hes kind of a fear monger. >_> You always bring me back to reality Deborah.

Sorry. I know you like your dreamworld. http://i41.tinypic.com/14j5j08.jpg

[BlackSand]

Half the people on this forum are conspiracy theorists anyways. So instead of 90% of people agreeing with him, its like 45%.

:P

[libertybrewcity]

YouTube - Jon Stewart spoofs Glenn Beck's WACKO conspiracies. LOL!!! - Countdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JnDY2Gv5YQ)
If you haven't seen this, this is a must watch:)

[LibertyVox]

YouTube - Jon Stewart spoofs Glenn Beck's WACKO conspiracies. LOL!!! - Countdown (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JnDY2Gv5YQ)
If you haven't seen this, this is a must watch:)

oh boy! my gut hurts from ROFLMGDMFSARPLAO!!!!

[BlackSand]

Tell me they dont sound like half the people on this forum. Half the people on this forum will say that Obama is a socialist, half of them will say Beck is a fascist theocrat.

[Brett85]

Neo-Parties are popular because of Glenn Beck.

Anti-Tax Anti-War Tea Parties were popular thanks to Ron Paul.

I can't believe anyone still defends Glenn Beck after he's made it abundantly clear this past weekend that he's planning on re-energizing the religious right to stop the whole liberty movement.

Any pro-liberty thing he says is solely because it's the popular thing to say that week.

His rally wasn't even political at all. He wasn't rallying the "religious right." He was just telling Americans as individuals to seek God. He didn't interject politics into the discussion at all. Also, the tea party was never "anti war." Some members of the tea party are certainly anti war, but others are pro war. If you really want the tea party movement to only consist of hard core libertarians, then the tea party might make up 2% of the U.S. population at most. It's ridiculous that you call people "fake tea partiers" just because you don't agree with their foreign policy views.

[Elwar]

How did he do this year about the elections? Did he attack any of hte liberty candidates? Or support any mainstream republicans?


Yes, when the Ron Paul supported Liberty candidate for governor of Texas was gaining in the polls significantly he quickly got her on his show and attacked her viciously.

When Ron Paul was catching on he attacked him viciously.

Beck when nothing is on the line: "Stuff that makes sense"
Beck when he has a chance to stop a liberty candidate: "You're a terrorist! You're a truther/birther/etc!"
Beck after attacking a liberty candidate: "I'm a libertarian!"

[tangent4ronpaul]

Neo-Parties are popular because of Glenn Beck.

Anti-Tax Anti-War Tea Parties were popular thanks to Ron Paul.

I can't believe anyone still defends Glenn Beck after he's made it abundantly clear this past weekend that he's planning on re-energizing the religious right to stop the whole liberty movement.

Any pro-liberty thing he says is solely because it's the popular thing to say that week.

Something is certainly going on. Beck was trying to paint Palin as a libertarian a while back and the Judge had Hannity on a few weeks ago (I'm pretty certain it wasn't his idea) and was asking some pointed questions that reached the pre-scripted conclusion that Hannity was pretty libertarian.... :rolleyes:

The whole thing with FOX is very suspect.

Think your observations are spot on!

-t

[Elwar]

His rally wasn't even political at all. He wasn't rallying the "religious right."

Is that why he had the original leader of the Religious right during the Reagan administration, David Barton, organizing this event for him?



Also, the tea party was never "anti war."

At the first modern Tea Party:

YouTube - AUSTIN TEA PARTY 07 RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDGpG9BpMRk)

http://media.myfoxaustin.com/politics/123107teaparty.jpg

[crazyfacedjenkins]

Here's what Glenn Beck is: a mediocre charlatan. He's that whackjob on the street corner with a megaphone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone) in his hand, spouting all kinds of maudlin crap, with having only a minimal understanding of what he wants to say.
Only in America, a Hyde Park material would be able to muster that many sheeple to the tune of his broken pipe.

He is not a libertarian, he is a fashionable Republican conservative who loves to throw out steaks and currently the fashionable wear is neo conservatism in what he would pitifully describe as "real America". Full of self contradictions and juvenile emotional rage, this shill is hardly worth the sweat of any one who is emulsified in the ideas put forth by Ron Paul. What does that mean? Well it means that Ron Paul was right when he said Freedom is popular. And even though RP is far from being mainstream, his scream Libertas has shaken the entire establishment's boat. And the moment that garnered attention amongst many of us (thanks to alternative sources including youtube), we saw even the most vile creatures including let's-invade-bomb-convert-then-to-Christianity Coulter, hug-me-validate-me-the-world-is-ending Beck...et alum.

Of course a person is allowed to grow, he is allowed to change. But Beck is a pathetic showman. There are those who are honest learners and inquirers, then there are those who take whatever is popular and sell it to t he hungry mob. I do not think he is all fake, I just think he has a very low intellect and that is because of his world view and loves to act like preacher. Mind you I didn't say low IQ. Never really liked the use of that often vaguely defined biologically immutable abbr. to describe something like this.

Glenn Beck is not a libertarian. He is Benny Hinn-ist:


YouTube - Benny Hinn: Let the Bodies Hit the Floor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI)

hahaha

crippled with sin (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/152275/)

[Sitasen]

I admit I didn't start watching Beck until he got on Fox News, so I will have to accept many of the negative posts so far about his earlier life when he was evidently ranting on radio and during a short stint on another cable TV show. He has admitted he isn't the smartest guy in town, but his newest obsession with our American history and what we can learn from it so we don't repeat the same mistakes has shown he can read a book or two and get them right.

Beck has admitted he is a recovering alcoholic which will certainly keep the progressives busy trying to drag up as much dirt from his past life as they try to crush his new life. His wife is a Mormon and evidently got him off the booze through the support of her church. He attributes his sobriety to finally seeing the benefits of believing there is a higher calling for all of us. How people find this higher calling in themselves appears to be fine with Beck, but he feels this country is in such bad shape that each of us better get a handle on this specific issue or else one will be in for a wild ride in the next couple of years.

I have become a news junky since 9/11 and have perfected the TV news part of it over the years. I DVR all the network and cable news channels, as well as most of the opinion shows, so I can speed through them when I have time. I have a great time comparing how each of them is presenting the news to us. One thing is clear, all the major network and cable news channels (except Fox News of course) are at fever pitch against their number one antagonist, Glenn Beck.

Beck kept his 8/28 event under raps long enough for the progressives to put their collective foot in their collective mouth. Then after 500,000 people showed up to see for themselves what it was all about, the Beck haters have been shown up for what they really are. They are continuing to go after Beck, now more than ever, as they see they are now backed up into a corner of their own making. Seeing them try to explain their earlier statements about the racist, fear mongering, right wing crazies who were to finally expose themselves at the event has been very entertaining. Not one has said they might have made a mistake about who the heck showed up at this event or retracted any of their prior statements against Beck.

I was born into a family with a father as staunch an "old style" Republican as one can be. I carried this banner of freedom and independence all my life until Bush fell asleep at the wheel and let the new progressive Congress of 2006 take their agenda into high gear. When Bush supported the first bail out it was time for me to finally define myself as an Independent and have been thinking for myself ever since. The one thing I know for sure at this time is I'm supporting whomever the progressives are trying to destroy with their machine. Soros money, control of our media, newspapers, university professors, legislative branch, executive branch, and all our governmental departments make their machine a formidable opponent against Beck and others who wish to preserve the Constitution and our freedoms for future generations of Americans. These are the people we need to spend our time defeating, not Glenn Beck.

[tangent4ronpaul]

I have become a news junky since 9/11 and have perfected the TV news part of it over the years. I DVR all the network and cable news channels, as well as most of the opinion shows, so I can speed through them when I have time. I have a great time comparing how each of them is presenting the news to us. One thing is clear, all the major network and cable news channels (except Fox News of course) are at fever pitch against their number one antagonist, Glenn Beck.


Mind sharing how you pull this off?

My DVR only lets me record 2 channels at once and beyond that it's either renting more DVR's or TV tuner cards in a computer and some software. Max memory is also an issue. It's kind of limited.

Please feel free to start a new thread so as not to hijack this one.

thanks,

-t

[Sitasen]

Mind sharing how you pull this off?

My DVR only lets me record 2 channels at once and beyond that it's either renting more DVR's or TV tuner cards in a computer and some software. Max memory is also an issue. It's kind of limited.

Please feel free to start a new thread so as not to hijack this one.

thanks,

-t
I have two DVR's if needed and delete most of the garbage every night. I thought the original Threader wanted feedback on what some of us knew/thought about Glenn Beck. I did not want to highjack anything and am sorry I put a downer on your Bashing Beck Party. .

[Chieppa1]

He doesnt support the bailout, and has spent several episodes explaining why he oringinally did, but doesnt anymore.
He has said "I am more Ron Paul than I am Sarah Palin"
He supports the legalization of marijuana.
He said he agrees with Ron Paul about the Federal Reserve (dont know EXACTLY what that means...)
He consistently calls McCain a progressive
He is against the Patriot Act

As far as I can tell, even though he used to be a mainstream republican, he is a NEO libertarian. Pro Israel, pro invading Iraq (I think), pro Afghan war, pro troop surge....Or at least thats what he was when I watched him. Hes definitely moving in the right direction. But hes not there yet.

Your essay is going to be really hard because he has changed so much in the last 2 years.

Im trying to think what else. I think his position on gay marriage is that he is for Civil unions. Dont really recall though.

Or, he's on TV and wants rating. Obama is an actor. Beck is just a confused soul that needs our support....:rolleyes:

[raistlinkishtar]

He consistently calls McCain a progressive


Interestingly, Beck did the national mall with John McCain's support and former running mate.

These people are all in bed together.

[Fredom101]

Beck is a warmonger. Why do you need any more proof than that, that he doesn't give a rat's ass about liberty?

[pcosmar]

Regardless of what his true positions or philosophy may be, Glen Beck is a trained and professional propagandist. (journalist?)

He works for a Propaganda organization with ties to both the CFR and the CIA.
He is well paid for what he does.

These are the facts that you need to keep in mind, ;)

[raistlinkishtar]

I admit I didn't start watching Beck until he got on Fox News, so I will have to accept many of the negative posts so far about his earlier life when he was evidently ranting on radio and during a short stint on another cable TV show. He has admitted he isn't the smartest guy in town, but his newest obsession with our American history and what we can learn from it so we don't repeat the same mistakes has shown he can read a book or two and get them right.

Beck has admitted he is a recovering alcoholic which will certainly keep the progressives busy trying to drag up as much dirt from his past life as they try to crush his new life. His wife is a Mormon and evidently got him off the booze through the support of her church. He attributes his sobriety to finally seeing the benefits of believing there is a higher calling for all of us. How people find this higher calling in themselves appears to be fine with Beck, but he feels this country is in such bad shape that each of us better get a handle on this specific issue or else one will be in for a wild ride in the next couple of years.

I have become a news junky since 9/11 and have perfected the TV news part of it over the years. I DVR all the network and cable news channels, as well as most of the opinion shows, so I can speed through them when I have time. I have a great time comparing how each of them is presenting the news to us. One thing is clear, all the major network and cable news channels (except Fox News of course) are at fever pitch against their number one antagonist, Glenn Beck.

Beck kept his 8/28 event under raps long enough for the progressives to put their collective foot in their collective mouth. Then after 500,000 people showed up to see for themselves what it was all about, the Beck haters have been shown up for what they really are. They are continuing to go after Beck, now more than ever, as they see they are now backed up into a corner of their own making. Seeing them try to explain their earlier statements about the racist, fear mongering, right wing crazies who were to finally expose themselves at the event has been very entertaining. Not one has said they might have made a mistake about who the heck showed up at this event or retracted any of their prior statements against Beck.

I was born into a family with a father as staunch an "old style" Republican as one can be. I carried this banner of freedom and independence all my life until Bush fell asleep at the wheel and let the new progressive Congress of 2006 take their agenda into high gear. When Bush supported the first bail out it was time for me to finally define myself as an Independent and have been thinking for myself ever since. The one thing I know for sure at this time is I'm supporting whomever the progressives are trying to destroy with their machine. Soros money, control of our media, newspapers, university professors, legislative branch, executive branch, and all our governmental departments make their machine a formidable opponent against Beck and others who wish to preserve the Constitution and our freedoms for future generations of Americans. These are the people we need to spend our time defeating, not Glenn Beck.

The puppet show isn't real. We can't root for the Beck puppet because he isn't real. He is an employee on the payroll of one of the biggest media giants in the world...the owner of which funding Hillary Clinton's Senate race. They aren't in the business of wanting change and freedom for all Americans. They are in the business of keeping you busy rooting for people who can be easily controlled once they gain your trust.

I would shut off the news because it is no more real than a Hollywood movie based on a true story, at worst it is the WWE.

Beck is controlled opposition and is working to destory the country by distracting good patriots like yourself. I'm sure you don't agree with the Palin/McCain desire for Amnesty?

[BlackSand]

Everyones a propagandist. Your parents fed you propaganda. Its impossible to ESCAPE propaganda no matter how hard you try. You are a product of your surroundings and what people have told you. Your control over what information you receive is minuscule. And you can only give out the information you receive.

[Sola_Fide]

Here's what Glenn Beck is: a mediocre charlatan. He's that whackjob on the street corner with a megaphone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone) in his hand, spouting all kinds of maudlin crap, with having only a minimal understanding of what he wants to say.
Only in America, a Hyde Park material would be able to muster that many sheeple to the tune of his broken pipe.

He is not a libertarian, he is a fashionable Republican conservative who loves to throw out steaks and currently the fashionable wear is neo conservatism in what he would pitifully describe as "real America". Full of self contradictions and juvenile emotional rage, this shill is hardly worth the sweat of any one who is emulsified in the ideas put forth by Ron Paul. What does that mean? Well it means that Ron Paul was right when he said Freedom is popular. And even though RP is far from being mainstream, his scream Libertas has shaken the entire establishment's boat. And the moment that garnered attention amongst many of us (thanks to alternative sources including youtube), we saw even the most vile creatures including let's-invade-bomb-convert-then-to-Christianity Coulter, hug-me-validate-me-the-world-is-ending Beck...et alum.

Of course a person is allowed to grow, he is allowed to change. But Beck is a pathetic showman. There are those who are honest learners and inquirers, then there are those who take whatever is popular and sell it to t he hungry mob. I do not think he is all fake, I just think he has a very low intellect and that is because of his world view and loves to act like preacher. Mind you I didn't say low IQ. Never really liked the use of that often vaguely defined biologically immutable abbr. to describe something like this.

Glenn Beck is not a libertarian. He is Benny Hinn-ist:


YouTube - Benny Hinn: Let the Bodies Hit the Floor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lvU-DislkI)




That video is one of the funniest things I have seen in a long time....

[Sitasen]

I hear you about turning the damn TV off and throwing away my DVR's. But it's like watching a high speed chase or a swat team trying to save some hostages from another idiot....its hard to turn off!! I agree with just about everything that is being said and I do feel like a puppet on a string. But I'm also a realist and haven't lost all my abilities to think for myself. We cannot have the progressives keep control of Congress this November or we are in deep sh!t with Obama still here til 2012. America won't make it to 2012! Let's suck it up and vote for the lesser of two evils this November. Then we have two years to find the right person to lead us out of both evils in 2012......I sure wish that someone would come along soon and that's why I have been hanging around the Liberty Forest since last month making myself a nuisance.

[FreeTraveler]

It's real simple.

Glenn Beck held his rally where?

At the Lincoln Memorial.

The. Lincoln. Memorial.

The surest way to tell whether someone is a conservative or a libertarian is to ask them how they feel about Abraham Lincoln. Conservatives venerate him; libertarians recognize him for the statist tyrant that he was.

No way he's a libertarian. If he'd held it at the Jefferson Memorial, I might cut him a break.