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Anti Federalist
08-25-2010, 06:55 PM
Finland Suspends Swine Flu Shots After Vaccine Linked With Neurological Disorder

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Wednesday, August 25, 2010

http://www.infowars.com/finland-suspends-swine-flu-shots-after-vaccine-linked-with-neurological-disorder/

Finland’s National Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) has suspended the use of the H1N1 vaccine over fears that the shot is linked with a 300 per cent increase in cases of the neurological disorder narcolepsy among children and young people over the last six months.

The news is sure to discourage more parents from vaccinating their children in the coming months, with the swine flu shot now being combined with the regular seasonal flu jab. A recent Rasmussen poll found that 52 per cent of Americans were concerned about the safety of vaccines as we approach the start of school and college terms, where many children and teenagers will be “required” to take shots before they can attend.

Narcolepsy is a neurological disorder that can be triggered by a virus. “A patient suffering from narcolepsy may suddenly fall asleep, for example, while, speaking or eating without prior warning. Their muscles may also suddenly weaken, causing them to suddenly collapse. There is no known cure for the disease,” reports Finnish news website YLE.

“The National Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) decided on Tuesday to recommend that vaccinations against swine flu with the Pandemix vaccine should be suspended until it is established whether or not the vaccine is the cause of the surge in cases of narcolepsy among children and young people,” reports Finland’s largest newspaper Helsingin Sanomat.

Jandrsn21
08-25-2010, 07:05 PM
Yeah I would like to see Dr. Oz's spin on this one! Sending him an email on this letter to lure a response from him and "the doctors." People need to be made aware of this before anymore damage is done.

Last year when this was all going down. I just turned on the local news and saw a report on a young girl dying because of this particular vaccine. That was enough for me! No thanks, I'll take my chances!

Got the flu twice and two lung infections. Both in April and September. Still here!

Zippyjuan
08-25-2010, 07:37 PM
Their annual number of cases of narcolepsy in children was fewer than ten so statitistically though 300% sounds like a lot, it may not really mean much. FIfteen reported cases out of a total population of more than 5.3 million.
http://yle.fi/uutiset/news/2010/08/thl_recommends_suspension_of_h1n1_vaccinations_192 6808.html

According to the THL, the increase in the number of cases of narcolepsy may have been caused by the flu virus, by the vaccine, by the interaction of an infection with the vaccine, or some other factor. It is known that infections can cause narcolepsy.

THL has been notified of 15 cases of narcolepsy, six of which are more clearly associated with the vaccination than are the remainder. Preliminary research into the connection between the vaccine and the cases is expected to take several months. Annually up to 50 cases of narcolepsy are diagnosed in adults in Finland and fewer than 10 in children.

Worldwide, at least 90 million people have received the Pandemrix vaccine in more than 20 countries. However, so far a possible link between the swine flu vaccine and narcolepsy has been reported only in Finland and Sweden.



"Indications of a time link between vaccinations and narcolepsy cases have been seen, but an actual link has not been established. In light of international information, a connection would even seem unlikely," Dr Hanna Nohynek, a special researcher at THL, told YLE on Tuesday.

Sweden reported six possible cases - again a very small number- out of a population there of 9.3 million. http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h5ZbQ8C7x5CzyB1-CeJ5s7RCnATA About 30 million people in Europe received the vaccination.

In completely unrelated news, 20 people reported stubbing their toes on the way out of their doctor's office after receiving their flu shot. Investigators are checking to see if there is any connection with the toes and the flu shot.

krazy kaju
08-25-2010, 11:13 PM
Bout time someone started calling Alex Jones on his deliberate distortion of the facts.

Krugerrand
08-26-2010, 07:02 AM
In completely unrelated news, 20 people reported stubbing their toes on the way out of their doctor's office after receiving their flu shot. Investigators are checking to see if there is any connection with the toes and the flu shot.

That's a great point Zippy. I would bet kids were statistically more likely to get seriously sick from taking them in to the doctor's waiting room with other sick kids than they were likely to get seriously sick from the swine flu. Add to that the odds of getting into a car accident and hurt on the trip. Swine flu vaccine just doesn't seem worth it.

Or was that not the point you were trying to make? ;)

Zippyjuan
08-26-2010, 04:57 PM
Your point is certainly valid. You can get exposed to a lot of germs in a hospital waiting room.

EndDaFed
08-26-2010, 04:59 PM
Infowars is a goddamn sick joke. Those assholes are spreading FUD and in the process scaring people into doing the wrong thing. So 21 cases out of 90 million? You might have a higher chance of getting harmed in a car crash on the way to get the vaccination. Of course that is if we assume those cases are caused by the vaccine.

lucius
08-27-2010, 09:21 AM
"...diet, injections and injunctions will combine to create the perfect human..." Lord Bertrand Russell


Finland Suspends Swine Flu Shots After Vaccine Linked With Neurological Disorder

Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
Wednesday, August 25, 2010

http://www.infowars.com/finland-suspends-swine-flu-shots-after-vaccine-linked-with-neurological-disorder/

Finland’s National Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) has suspended the use of the H1N1 vaccine over fears that the shot is linked with a 300 per cent increase in cases of the neurological disorder narcolepsy among children and young people over the last six months.

The news is sure to discourage more parents from vaccinating their children in the coming months, with the swine flu shot now being combined with the regular seasonal flu jab. A recent Rasmussen poll found that 52 per cent of Americans were concerned about the safety of vaccines as we approach the start of school and college terms, where many children and teenagers will be “required” to take shots before they can attend.

Narcolepsy is a neurological disorder that can be triggered by a virus. “A patient suffering from narcolepsy may suddenly fall asleep, for example, while, speaking or eating without prior warning. Their muscles may also suddenly weaken, causing them to suddenly collapse. There is no known cure for the disease,” reports Finnish news website YLE.

“The National Institute for Health and Welfare (THL) decided on Tuesday to recommend that vaccinations against swine flu with the Pandemix vaccine should be suspended until it is established whether or not the vaccine is the cause of the surge in cases of narcolepsy among children and young people,” reports Finland’s largest newspaper Helsingin Sanomat.

ItsTime
08-27-2010, 09:29 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7967815/Swine-flu-vaccine-safety-probed-over-link-to-rare-sleep-disorder.html

Brian4Liberty
08-27-2010, 09:51 AM
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7967815/Swine-flu-vaccine-safety-probed-over-link-to-rare-sleep-disorder.html

Yeah, they might want to do some simple statistical checks after they already created a panic...coincidence does not prove cause and effect.


The investigation will examine if Pandemrix was the likely trigger for the condition or whether it was a coincidence.

Finland suspended its national vaccination programme on Tuesday after eight suspected cases of narcolepsy following administration of the jab. A further ten cases have been reported in Sweden, six in France, and one each in Germany and Norway.

The European Medicines Agency will now investigate if there is any link, including how many people would normally be expected to suffer narcolepsy so this 'background rate' can be compared to with the number of cases observed after vaccination.

MelissaWV
08-27-2010, 09:53 AM
There is still no reason that the public at large should be getting flu shots of any kind. If getting the flu would kill you, or someone you commonly come into contact with, then you should consider getting vaccinated. If not, stop it. This should be common sense, but every single year people act as if getting the flu shot is as vital as breathing.

Brian4Liberty
08-27-2010, 11:29 AM
There is still no reason that the public at large should be getting flu shots of any kind. If getting the flu would kill you, or someone you commonly come into contact with, then you should consider getting vaccinated. If not, stop it. This should be common sense, but every single year people act as if getting the flu shot is as vital as breathing.

It can kill anybody, but children and old folks are more susceptible, and thus the vaccines recommended. Whenever a flu starts to look like one that will kill young healthy people, then they freak out (like the Spanish flu of 1918).

I always had the same opinion as you, until I caught a hard-core flu. Then I understood how you could die from it (for a month afterwords, only had enough energy to get up, go to work, come back home and go to bed). Only happened once, and I got my one and only flu shot the next year. Haven't had one since though. ;)

MelissaWV
08-27-2010, 11:57 AM
It can kill anybody, but children and old folks are more susceptible, and thus the vaccines recommended. Whenever a flu starts to look like one that will kill young healthy people, then they freak out (like the Spanish flu of 1918).

I always had the same opinion as you, until I caught a hard-core flu. Then I understood how you could die from it (for a month afterwords, only had enough energy to get up, go to work, come back home and go to bed). Only happened once, and I got my one and only flu shot the next year. Haven't had one since though. ;)

That is why I said "would," as opposed to "could." If you have, for instance, a compromised immune system, or work with the elderly, or are elderly, etc., then you should really consider a flu shot.

I've had particularly nasty cases of the flu (I suspect, actually, that I had what came to be known as Swine Flu at the time; it was just a little bit before it was popular, and I caught it after several deliriously ill Mexican workers were visiting the office). I've had pneumonia as well, and bronchitis, and various other ailments which could have gone on to kill me. They're unpleasant. I still would prefer to get the flu, even the worst version of it, than add another vaccine to my body. It's a personal choice, though :)

EndDaFed
08-27-2010, 12:42 PM
"...diet, injections and injunctions will combine to create the perfect human..." Lord Bertrand Russell

How about you read the text from which that quote comes from in FULL before making such implied ignorant assertions.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Impact+of+Science+on+Society

lucius
08-27-2010, 02:34 PM
How about you read the text from which that quote comes from in FULL before making such implied ignorant assertions.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Impact+of+Science+on+Society

No, I get it much better than you and have read that book in it's first edition format many times. :rolleyes: In fact it will be self-evident from an old post of mine below...

Look here: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1884574&postcount=6

Fabian Scientist, Socialist and of the bloodline as well: Lord Russell.

Not a nice guy, read 1953 ‘The Impact of Science on Society’. I find this type of author appropriately egotistical, who by creating an underlying discourse, are actually boasting to their fellow brethren, but must realize that some of the ‘rubes’ will read their works as well, so they camouflage their true intent. A subtle tip-off is on page two with this telling gem, “The decay of human sacrifice in Mediterranean countries is not attributed to science, but presumably to humanitarian feelings.” Could that be a portent usage of decay in a sentence? I think so, and whole volumes have been written about just one page of this book, p. 50 (see Clymer’s ‘The Age of Treason’):

"Fichte laid it down that education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished, But in his day this was an unattainable ideal: what he regarded as the best system in existence produced Karl Marx. In future such failures are not likely to occur where there is [scientific] dictatorship. DIET, INJECTIONS and INJUNCTIONS will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy, because the government will tell them that they are so. A totalitarian government with a scientific bent might do things that to us would seem horrifying. The Nazis were more scientific than the present rulers of Russia, and were more inclined towards the SORT OF ATROCITIES than I have in mind."

Few more 'pearls' from this kindly sweet old man:

Gradually...the congenital differences between rulers and ruled will increase until they become almost different species. A revolt of the plebs would become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton."

From p.55: "...I do not believe that dictatorship is a lasting form of scientific society--unless (but this proviso is important) it can become world-wide."

"...modern methods of propaganda. Of these the most influential is what is called "education" ... It may be hoped that in time anybody will be able to persuade anybody of anything if he can catch the patient young and is provided by the State with money and equipment... Where all children go to school, and all schools are controlled by the government, the authorities can close the minds of the young to everything contrary to official orthodoxy... The populace will not be allowed to know how its convictions were generated." -- Bertrand Russell, "The Impact of Science on Society"

Not much liberty message there, read between the lines with his ilk.

Make no mistake this man was one of the architects of this tyrannical scientific dictatorship being weaved around us daily, malefic social engineer extraordinaire. I have a wry smile about the myth of the friendly acid-dropping/CIA promoting, anti-war Vietnam protesting, innocuous professor--this high functioning psychopath is a pure Tavistock mind-fucker, plain and simple...

His work is lynch-pin critical for our new given culture: dialectic materialistic secular humanism, the psyop-flavor of the century inculcations...elevating science/state to its proper status for the elite.

Jandrsn21
08-27-2010, 02:48 PM
"I've had particularly nasty cases of the flu (I suspect, actually, that I had what came to be known as Swine Flu at the time; it was just a little bit before it was popular, and I caught it after several deliriously ill Mexican workers were visiting the office). I've had pneumonia as well, and bronchitis, and various other ailments which could have gone on to kill me. They're unpleasant. I still would prefer to get the flu, even the worst version of it, than add another vaccine to my body. It's a personal choice, though"

Same here, in 2009, had two cases of the Flu each with a lung infection and bronchitis. Provide you body with the things it needs to maintain a strong immune system and you can get over the Flu. My parents only gave me the necessary vaccines, think it was 10, and it was on a gradual schedule. Some kids today have 24 I believe with very little space in between. Not a doctor, but that just sounds like overkill. Add that in with the Therimisol/Mercury debate and the "proposed" link to Autism.

I think that is what the whole worry is about. It is no mystery that mercury and the brain don't get along very well. The fact is Mercury was tested in the vaccines. The vaccines, just in the past couple weeks have been banned or limited, in Finland, UK, and India I believe. All with risks, of narcolepsy, siezures, and outright death. I was worried about the swine flu and considered the vaccine at first, the the death reports started coming in. A local lady died from using the vaccine. The cause of, death brain inflammation. Started looking into it and decided to take my chances. Got the wicked Flu twice and I'm still here.

I was reading people on here praising the vaccine. You should take the time to ask your doctor if the vaccine you are using has mercury in it as a preservative. If it does don't take it. Mercury is a toxic heavy metal and bio accumulates throughout the body destroying most things it comes in contact with. It should be common sense by now. Find out what you are putting into your body. Health and peace of mind is a precious commodity and if you knowingly, knowingly! mess that up, then in my opinion you deserve what you get.

Eat an apple, jog, get some sunlight and let your body do what it is supposed to do! Just my approach though, I am accustomed to getting the cold or the flu once a year at least, used to it by now.