McCain defeats conservative primary challenger.

[Imaginos]

McCain defeats conservative primary challenger (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100825/ap_on_el_se/us_arizona_senate)
PHOENIX – Sen. John McCain routed conservative challenger J.D. Hayworth on Tuesday in the Republican primary in what could be the final campaign for the former GOP presidential nominee.

McCain spent more than $20 million to beat back an aggressive challenge from Hayworth, who relentlessly attacked the senator for his shifting stance on immigration and sought to tap into the anti-incumbent rage that has taken down other lawmakers in 2010.

Two years after his bitter loss in pursuit of the White House, the 73-year-old McCain now begins a final 10-week push and will be the heavy favorite. The Democratic race was still undecided, but whoever emerges will have an uphill fight in heavily conservative Arizona.

That means McCain will likely be back in the Senate next year, raising a number of questions about the future of a gridlocked Washington.

[Legend1104]

How the heck does he keep winning! Every time I hear him speak he sounds like one that is trying to sound intelligent and make a good sound bit but does not have the brains or vocabulary to succeed. Liberty candidates can not win as long as they don't have $20 million to throw away.

[specsaregood]

How the heck does he keep winning! Every time I hear him speak he sounds like one that is trying to sound intelligent and make a good sound bit but does not have the brains or vocabulary to succeed. Liberty candidates can not win as long as they don't have $20 million to throw away.

It's all good. From what I read here, hayworth wasn't much/any better. At least this way there is an increased chance for a special election before another 6 years takes place. Let's hope a liberty candidate is ready when the time comes.

[TCE]

Hayworth wasn't much better anyway, and he would have held that seat forever. McCain won't run again and he'll mindlessly vote with Republicans for the next few years anyway. Best we find someone to fill the seat in 2016 when it is an Open Seat contest.

[low preference guy]

Vote libertarian in Arizona.

[Monarchist]

It would have been nice to see McLame thrown out on his ass, but Hyaworth was a pretty foul character in his own right. Now we should be planning to put forth a good liberty candidate for when McLame breaks his hip and they have a special election. coughJeffFlakecough

[GunnyFreedom]

I made the following comment on the Fox News site:


Republicans continue to overcome common sense and try to commit party suicide. Best thing our Republican Party could have possibly done to restore confidence in the GOP is to reject this big-government lunatic and return to the proper principles of smaller constitutionally limited government which McCain has consistently rejected. This is another sad day for our Republic.

Seems they haven't published it yet....... :D

[Sola_Fide]

Both Hayworth and McCain are neo-con Keyensians.

[AlterEgo]

http://www.mikechurch.com/joomla/images/stories/Store/MuckFcCain_small.jpg
(http://mikechurch.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1983%3Amuck-fccain-t-shirt&catid=28&Itemid=300005)

[Pauls' Revere]

Oh for F**&K's sake! here we go again!

:mad:

forget it, the GOP is dead...(FACEPALM)

[Lucille]

Vote libertarian in Arizona.

This.

David Nolan for Senate (http://www.nolan2010.org/)! (But, man, does his campaign site need work).

Barry Hess for Governor (http://www.hessforgovernor.com/)!

I voted for Deakin today, who the establishment hacks and shills were loathe to mention.

[Kregisen]

This.

David Nolan for Senate (http://www.nolan2010.org/)! (But, man, does his campaign site need work).

Barry Hess for Governor (http://www.hessforgovernor.com/)!

I voted for Deakin today, who the establishment hacks and shills were loathe to mention.

I voted for Deakin too.

lol @ Barry Hess though....I like him and I'll vote for him in the general election but his border control plan is hilarious:

http://www.hessforgovernor.com/issues/border-control


On this issue, I considered a wide variety of options and the constraints of our constitution. I arrived at solutions that most effectively solve the problems associated with individuals illegally entering Arizona for any purpose. There is a certain irony in noting that the technological development of ‘Passive Denial Systems” (PDS) was initiated by our Federal government—specifically for use against y-o-u, me and our fellow (legal) citizens, in case we should ‘miss-behave’. Now we can put them to use in a positive way.

PDSs are pretty much what their name implies, non-lethal, passive denial systems.

I propose six different security features with all systems intelligently interacting–to prevent illegal entry into Arizona by any known means. The systems will rely on over-lapping and concealed sensors.

Level 1) A series of simple ‘Warning—do NOT enter/No Trespassing’ signs defining the actual jurisdictional boundary of Arizona. The signs will make it clear that any vehicle proceeding beyond the line will be subject to electro-magnetic impulse, that will instantly and permanently render it unusable.

Level 2) 60-feet in from the border, a 2nd series of simple warning signs, making it clear that should they proceed further, in addition to Level 1 systems, they will be subject to a non-lethal ultra-sonic denial system that no human can resist because it resonates in the target’s skull and bones.

Level 3) 60-feet in from the Level 2 warning signs, a final series of warning signs making it clear that to proceed any farther would subject trespassers, in addition to Levels 1 and 2 systems, to essentially a non-lethal microwave that makes flesh feel like it is burning.

Level 4) I propose to further enhance security by using a series of ‘spy planes/drones’ to monitor the entire border for unauthorized air space penetration backed up by Arizona’s Air Guard scramble teams to escort them out or force-them-to-land missions.

Level 5) I propose a border-length series of seismic sensors to detect even ‘single shovel’ digging beneath the surface border.

Level 6) Finally, I propose to re-vitalize the Arizona Rangers (AR) whose sole assignment is to monitor all aspects of the PDSs and, act as rapid response helicopter teams for human interdiction in any extra ordinary circumstances that might arise in regard to Arizona’s border. It will be necessary to build “firehouse” type facilities at specified intervals and entry points along the entire length of the border. These forces, and the maintenance of PDSs will effectively be self-funded (*see Economic Recovery, and Immigration/Migration proposals).

Concealed ground sensors and non-lethal PDSs will be powered by an exclusive “mini grid” with interactive, automatic re-routing capabilities, in case any part of it should suffer from interruption. Individual self-generating (renewable sources) power stations will be set sufficiently into the Arizona interior to assure their safety.

Build out should take only a matter of months to effective operation.

Rural areas easily lend themselves to building out the non-lethal PDS measures above, but in the urban areas and close proximities to designated crossing points, a manned, physical wall will be more appropriate.

In some sense, the need created by Federal inaction can work for Arizona’s economic recovery inasmuch as contracts for the build out will only go to Arizona-based companies who hire with preference to Arizonans. (*see Economic Recovery proposal) Arizona needs jobs.



And just for kicks, interesting to see a resemblance from Barry Hess to Rudolph Hess (Hitler's deputy) :D

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/004-0415093110-Barry-Hess-Gray-BackgroundSmall.jpg

http://www.christianodyssey.com/images/gospel/rudolph%20hess.jpg

[libertybrewcity]

This was one race I was really hoping to see won. Now we have to wait six years to get him out. Why do people like him in Arizona? I know he is a senior senator and the Republican nominee, but still?

I am guessing this race was an absolute must win for the establishment to make themselves not look like complete idiots in the case their 2008 presidential nominee crash and burned.

[libertybrewcity]

I voted for Deakin too.

lol @ Barry Hess though....I like him and I'll vote for him in the general election but his border control plan is hilarious:

http://www.hessforgovernor.com/issues/border-control





And just for kicks, interesting to see a resemblance from Barry Hess to Rudolph Hess (Hitler's deputy) :D

http://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/004-0415093110-Barry-Hess-Gray-BackgroundSmall.jpg

http://www.christianodyssey.com/images/gospel/rudolph%20hess.jpg

LOL at border plan!

[Kregisen]

This was one race I was really hoping to see won. Now we have to wait six years to get him out. Why do people like him in Arizona? I know he is a senior senator and the Republican nominee, but still?

I am guessing this race was an absolute must win for the establishment to make themselves not look like complete idiots in the case their 2008 presidential nominee crash and burned.

I haven't seen the results but these were 2 pretty strong candidates. McCain has always been the "war hero politician" who is an American icon, especially in Arizona, and Hayworth has a pretty popular radio show out here, and he's ex-congressman.

[coastie]

This was one race I was really hoping to see won. Now we have to wait six years to get him out. Why do people like him in Arizona? I know he is a senior senator and the Republican nominee, but still?

I am guessing this race was an absolute must win for the establishment to make themselves not look like complete idiots in the case their 2008 presidential nominee crash and burned.


Because it's about voting for the winner, duh. It makes people feel good when they vote for "who can win it"-and the media plays them for fools by pushing this bullshit.

Voting in America has become just like rooting for the football team you know will blow out the other. It feels good to be "right". It's now all about guessing who will win-not the principles or what they stand for, have done in the past, etc.

That's it, nothing more, and certainly nothing less.

WE ARE FUCKING DOOMED.:mad:

[paulitics]

So, McCain won by attacking someone for flip flopping on immigration. LMFAO. hahahahaha.

[low preference guy]

So, McCain won by attacking someone for flip flopping on immigration. LMFAO. hahahahaha.

Are you sure that was the reason?

YouTube - AZ-SEN Nominee J.D. Hayworth Stars In Govt Grant Infomercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4ENUSbGsd8)

[AJ Antimony]

Hayworth wasn't much better anyway, and he would have held that seat forever. McCain won't run again and he'll mindlessly vote with Republicans for the next few years anyway. Best we find someone to fill the seat in 2016 when it is an Open Seat contest.

His name is Jeff Flake.

[libertybrewcity]

His name is Jeff Flake.

Did Jeff Flake vote for the wars?

[kahless]

I made the following comment on the Fox News site:

"Republicans continue to overcome common sense and try to commit party suicide. Best thing our Republican Party could have possibly done to restore confidence in the GOP is to reject this big-government lunatic and return to the proper principles of smaller constitutionally limited government which McCain has consistently rejected. This is another sad day for our Republic. "

Seems they haven't published it yet....... :D

^Nailed it. I hope the mods approved it over there.

[Kregisen]

Did Jeff Flake vote for the wars?

Yeah I believe he did....Flake is not a libertarian, he's just very fiscally conservative. (at this point we can't be choosers)

My mind just went blank but there was one bill that only 3 congressmen voted no on.....1 of them was Jeff Flake, 1 of the other 2 was Ron Paul.

[AJ Antimony]

Don't worry about it.

Lots of AZ GOP dislike McCain for being too liberal, yet somehow he always cruises to easy victory.

I seriously believe McCain would have had a better chance of losing if AZ bothered to have a REAL Tea Party challenger. Hayworth had awful baggage on him since day 1 and was never popular. It's actually a complete sham the way the media has been portraying this race. McCain was never in trouble. McCain had more money than god. Hayworth is an idiot. To the rest of the world, McCain was in serious danger, but in AZ anyone could see Hayworth wasn't good enough to come close to beating him.

Look at the bright side to this... McCain wasted $20 mil attacking a crappy candidate that had no chance of beating him anyway.

Jeff Flake should easily win this seat in 2016

[low preference guy]

Jeff Flake should easily win this seat in 2016

if there's a country left and elections are still held.

[Monarchist]

Yeah I believe he did....Flake is not a libertarian, he's just very fiscally conservative. (at this point we can't be choosers)



Flake voted against No Child Left Behind, Sarbanes-Oxley, Medicare Part D, Homeland Security Act,[3] and the Genetic Information Nondiscrimination Act. He sponsored bills to increase legal immigration and establish a guest worker program.

Flake initially supported the Iraq War, but more recently has changed his position to one of cautious opposition, including voting against appropriations. He also supports ending the Cuba Trade Embargo and has been an insistent reformer in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Seems libertarian enough for me.

[AJ Antimony]

Yeah I believe he did....Flake is not a libertarian, he's just very fiscally conservative. (at this point we can't be choosers)

My mind just went blank but there was one bill that only 3 congressmen voted no on.....1 of them was Jeff Flake, 1 of the other 2 was Ron Paul.

Flake is the #2 libertarian in all of Congress. Do some research and you'll be happy.

Yeah Flake voted for the wars, but Ron Paul also voted for Afghanistan.

I even read somewhere that Flake now supports withdrawing from Afghanistan.

[TCE]

Did Jeff Flake vote for the wars?

Yes, he did:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2002-455

PATRIOT Act:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2001-398

Call me cautiously optimistic on Jeff Flake. I am more excited about Chaffetz in Utah taking out Orrin Hatch than I am about Flake on the West Coast, but we'll see.

[Kregisen]

Flake is the #2 libertarian in all of Congress. Do some research and you'll be happy.

Yeah Flake voted for the wars, but Ron Paul also voted for Afghanistan.

I even read somewhere that Flake now supports withdrawing from Afghanistan.

I may have gotten a couple of his stances mixed up with others, I was sure he was for the drug war but I must've remembered wrong.

He still voted for the patriot act and the wars....obviously not perfect but definitely good, like I said in my last post.

I've definitely researched him but it was quite a while ago, and since I've always loved him there was never a need to check his stances again for the election.

[Brian4Liberty]

What really steams me is when people support a lesser of two evils candidate and say "let's just win this one, and then we'll vote them out if they don't do what we want." Complete BS. The vast majority of those sheeple will vote for their parties incumbent (in the Primary!) no matter what they do! McShame is a prime example.

[free1]

at least the establishment had to expend resources

Yea, it sucks because now they have to print more!

[South Park Fan]

At least Deakin seems to be beating expectations.

[Romantarchist]

Voted for Deakin and Flake. :)

[libertybrewcity]

A vote for the Patriot Act and war is still a vote for the patriot act and war. Who knows how much other government spending he voted for. I'm glad we have 6 years to look for a real tea party candidate.

[angelatc]

Vote libertarian in Arizona.

http://www.nolan2010.org/

http://theothermccain.com/2010/08/24/primary-election-night-hq/ calls him "My new best friend." I guess he's ticked at the John McCain win.

[jmdrake]

Does anyone have the numbers? I keep reading story after story that talks about the win and how much money McCain spent and yet nobody gives the numbers. :mad:

[NewFederalist]

It would be nice to see Dave Nolan garner a significant number of votes in November. The one interview I read that was done on his candidacy so far was really quite good. The reporter did not try to cast him as a nutjob.

[The Dude]

Hayworth is not even CLOSE to being a liberty candidate. He is a hardcore Neocon.

[kahless]

Does anyone have the numbers? I keep reading story after story that talks about the win and how much money McCain spent and yet nobody gives the numbers. :mad:

U.S. Senator (REP) (Vote For 1)
99.7% of Precincts Reporting
(2232 of 2239 Precincts)
Total Number of Votes Percent Republican
MCCAIN, JOHN - R 281347 56.2
HAYWORTH, J.D. - R 160858 32.1
DEAKIN, JIM - R 58705 11.7

Not even close. Unbelievable.

[Krugerrand]

U.S. Senator (REP) (Vote For 1)
99.7% of Precincts Reporting
(2232 of 2239 Precincts)
Total Number of Votes Percent Republican
MCCAIN, JOHN - R 281347 56.2
HAYWORTH, J.D. - R 160858 32.1
DEAKIN, JIM - R 58705 11.7

Not even close. Unbelievable.

Don't lose heart. 44% of the party voted against a long established man who was the party's presidential candidate. That's not so bad.

[RileyE104]

Don't lose heart. 44% of the party voted against a long established man who was the party's presidential candidate. That's not so bad.


is there any way to know how many Democrats came over and voted for him?

[AJ Antimony]

A vote for the Patriot Act and war is still a vote for the patriot act and war. Who knows how much other government spending he voted for. I'm glad we have 6 years to look for a real tea party candidate.

Ignore great candidates looking for an electable Ron Paul clone when one doesn't exist. Great plan!

[erowe1]

Why do they call Hayworth a conservative challenger? Isn't McCain more conservative than Hayworth is?

[AJ Antimony]

Why do they call Hayworth a conservative challenger? Isn't McCain more conservative than Hayworth is?

Neither are conservative

[erowe1]

Neither are conservative

I agree. Least of all Hayworth.

[KCIndy]

McCain obviously won due to the "Snooki endorsement."


http://sharing.myfoxboston.com/shareksaz//photo/2010/06/10/MCCAIN_SNOOKI_20100610173214_640_480.JPG

[heavenlyboy34]

Oh for F**&K's sake! here we go again!

:mad:

forget it, the GOP is dead...(FACEPALM)

FTW!!! :cool::D

[Flash]

Ignore great candidates looking for an electable Ron Paul clone when one doesn't exist. Great plan!

Hayworth wasnt' that great of a candidate. He was still better than Mccain but he wasn't a Tea Partier. The poster is right, in 6 years a Ron Paul Republican could come along.

[erowe1]

Hayworth wasnt' that great of a candidate. He was still better than Mccain but he wasn't a Tea Partier. The poster is right, in 6 years a Ron Paul Republican could come along.

What makes him better than McCain?

Hayworth voted for Medicare part D and McCain voted against it.

Is this all just about Hayworth's immigration stance?

[fedup100]

Don't lose heart. 44% of the party voted against a long established man who was the party's presidential candidate. That's not so bad.

That's all the white people in the state. This is what you get when you have undocumented democrats as a huge demographic in any state or country.

The illegals love McShame and he will stick it to the americans in Arizona real soon.

Unless we get down and dirty and expel all these "others", we are whipped and doomed to a bloody revolution!

[libertybrewcity]

Ignore great candidates looking for an electable Ron Paul clone when one doesn't exist. Great plan!

Why are you saying that one won't exist in the next 6 years? 6 years is a long time buddy. We had a few liberty candidates in Arizona.

I would rather look for a better candidate than go with a neocon. Jeff Flake may have voted against a few big pieces of legislation. However, what are his votes on REAL ID, the war on drugs, and Bush Stimulus? Just because he has "leaned" conservative during Obama's term doesn't make him a good candidate by any means.

[South Park Fan]

That's all the white people in the state. This is what you get when you have undocumented democrats as a huge demographic in any state or country.

The illegals love McShame and he will stick it to the americans in Arizona real soon.

Unless we get down and dirty and expel all these "others", we are whipped and doomed to a bloody revolution!

Seriously?! This is so stupid I don't even know where to begin. I highly doubt that 55% of Republican voters are Hispanic, let alone illegal, considering that Hispanics only make up 30% of Arizona's population and most of them either do not vote or vote Democratic. Second, Hayworth is worse than McCain, and Deakin (the true liberty candidate) didn't have much money, while McCain spent $20 million getting the shepple to vote for him. Enacting a "Final Solution" against your preferred scapegoat won't solve anything except destroy civil liberties and make the Arizona economy even worse than it already is.

[Stary Hickory]

Well had there been any kind of decent challenger McCain would have lost. Hayworth just sucked, if there is no difference hardly between the two why bother. McCain will die off eventually. I can wait.

[james1906]

Hopefully we'll see more of Deakin.

[AJ Antimony]

Hayworth wasnt' that great of a candidate. He was still better than Mccain but he wasn't a Tea Partier. The poster is right, in 6 years a Ron Paul Republican could come along.

You've misread our conversation. I was calling Jeff Flake a great candidate in 6 years. Hayworth is garbage.

[AJ Antimony]

Why are you saying that one won't exist in the next 6 years? 6 years is a long time buddy. We had a few liberty candidates in Arizona.

I would rather look for a better candidate than go with a neocon. Jeff Flake may have voted against a few big pieces of legislation. However, what are his votes on REAL ID, the war on drugs, and Bush Stimulus? Just because he has "leaned" conservative during Obama's term doesn't make him a good candidate by any means.

Jeff Flake is the #2 libertarian in all of Congress. Take 5 minutes of your time and research his votes. Hint: Prepare to be happy.

A Flake candidacy would also be really easy. Not only is he a libertarian hero, but he's also pretty much next in line in the AZGOP machinery. His biggest threat in 2016 would be someone like Giffords, but she might lose reelection this year.

But again, please just quickly look up his votes. He voted against Bush a LOT

[Kregisen]

^not to mention he's pretty badass

YouTube - NBC's Today Show features Congressman Jeff Flake's island adventure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_REhae6DTuw)

[amonasro]

I kinda feel like he keeps winning because he's old, but has that boyish grin that drives the geriatric Republicans wild. And his daughters are pretty hot. You can't underestimate appearances in politics.