August 23 - MSNBC: Ron Paul Slams WTC Mosque Protesters [14 mins] WOW

[StateofTrance]

YouTube - Ron Paul Slams WTC Mosque Protesters! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ6Hzf0x1vk)

[TXcarlosTX]

this is what i was talking about on an earlier thread. (before moved to hottopics)

but yeah. this was gangster shit!!!

[Rothbardian Girl]

Thanks for posting this. I very much enjoyed the entire video.

[KramerDSP]

Wow! That is the longest coverage I have seen on RP in a while without him being involved in an interview. But there are no automated captions up. What was the gist of what the woman and Bobby Golosh were saying?

[RedStripe]

Wow, that was amazing. There was more intelligent conversation in that one clip than you could find in an entire week of Fox News.

I'd like to use this as an opportunity to remind our right-wing, anti-marxist paranoids that clearly some of these crazy "liberal professors" are perfectly willing to honestly agree with and respect Ron Paul.

[RedStripe]

That was awesome, they all loved Ron Paul. Ron really brings America together, he should run as an independent in 2012.

If Ron Paul ran as an independent, it would be amazing. It would totally throw the two party system out of whack, and he could probably still get a lot of media coverage by virtue of his wide-spread name recognition and respect.

[REDNECK WOMAN]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

[someperson]

I'd like to use this as an opportunity to remind our right-wing, anti-marxist paranoids that clearly some of these crazy "liberal professors" are perfectly willing to honestly agree with and respect Ron Paul.
I'll take this opportunity to say that I believe it would be wise to maintain a neutral, apathetic stance toward these media personalities. Don't hate them; don't love them. Break all emotional attachments to these individuals.

In other words...

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/515/apathy.png

[RedStripe]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

name/post combo

10/10

[someperson]

name/post combo

10/10
lol I can only hope that it was a joke account

[Rothbardian Girl]

well, i leaving this ron paul board!!!! He supports the mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

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[bruce leeroy]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

what do you mean he supports the mosque................did he support it as in giving money

[specsaregood]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

Well you clearly didn't listen to what he said. He said he doesn't care about the darn place, he cares about foreign policy. Stop buying into this false 2-team paradigm.

Oh, and "gadfly" at about 7minutes in. :mad:

[someperson]

Oh, and "gadfly" at about 7minutes in. :mad:
No "quixotic" though... story feels so... incomplete without it :( ;)

[libertarian4321]

Thanks for reposting, I missed the first couple of minutes while channel surfing this evening.

RP is 100% right. This "controversy" was ginned up by the neocon leaders to get the mouth breathers in the Republican Party fired up against Islam.

[SamuraisWisdom]

I knew the second they played the Glenn Beck clip that they would play the race card on him for saying the phrase "Good Muslim." You could just see that lady ready to pounce. There's a couple things wrong with this...

1. I'm no fan of Glen Beck, but from that clip it was obvious that when he used the term "Good Muslim" he simply meant Muslims that aren't radical or trying to engage in Jihad.

2. MSNBC was way too quick to play the race card (AGAIN!!!) and you could see that lady practically drooling over the opportunity. And this time they just twisted words to take advantage of a cheap opportunity.

3. They droned on about it for 5 minutes.

Thank goodness the host was kind enough to quote Paul so thoroughly. I still haven't finished watching the clip yet so hopefully the cheap racial talk subsides into something actually constructive.

EDIT: Finished the clip and the rest of the discussion was pretty good. Glad to see Paul getting some positive coverage on MSNBC

[Fredom101]

Why isn't anyone pointing out the obvious hypocrisy?
Christian neocons are going crazy about the mosque in NY (which BTW is going to be the 2nd closest mosque to ground zero!)

But do these neocons have any problems with Christian churches being built in Iraq, where FAR more than 3000 people have been murdered?

[libertybrewcity]

let's hope conservatives latch on to the idea of freedom, constitution, and private property rights!

[VirginiaRising]

All this Mosque/WTC bull is just to mask the deeper issue beneath the surface, that over 1/3 of the American population doesn't take for granted the fact that al Qaeda was responsible for the attacks in the first place.


It's sickening to see them distort and manipulate masses of people with this tool of mass media.

It's obvious we have learned a lot since the Nazis. Well, the propagandists at least. The common man -- is still painfully ignorant.

[RichieLibertarian]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!



lol good riddance....

[moonshineplease]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

You are joking... correct?

[tnvoter]

lol i can only hope that it was a joke account

rofl

[RedStripe]

I knew the second they played the Glenn Beck clip that they would play the race card on him for saying the phrase "Good Muslim." You could just see that lady ready to pounce. There's a couple things wrong with this...

1. I'm no fan of Glen Beck, but from that clip it was obvious that when he used the term "Good Muslim" he simply meant Muslims that aren't radical or trying to engage in Jihad.

2. MSNBC was way too quick to play the race card (AGAIN!!!) and you could see that lady practically drooling over the opportunity. And this time they just twisted words to take advantage of a cheap opportunity.

3. They droned on about it for 5 minutes.

Thank goodness the host was kind enough to quote Paul so thoroughly. I still haven't finished watching the clip yet so hopefully the cheap racial talk subsides into something actually constructive.

EDIT: Finished the clip and the rest of the discussion was pretty good. Glad to see Paul getting some positive coverage on MSNBC


Um, the term "Good Muslim" does indicate a pretty fucked up view of Muslims. The term "Good Muslim" is a lot like "Good Negro" or "White Trash" - in that it implies that there is a need to separate a particular sub-set of a group from the rest of the group because of the traits that the subgroup displays but that the group as a whole generally does not. It's really pretty obvious. You say "White Trash" because, for the most part, Whites are on the the privileged end of the economic spectrum (and thus an separate term or exception must be made to identify those who are not)- whether or not that fact is true, it's implied in the term. Just like the term "good Muslims" implies that the majority of Muslims, or a large portion, are "not good". If not, why not just say Muslims or most Muslims?

[RedStripe]

Why isn't anyone pointing out the obvious hypocrisy?
Christian neocons are going crazy about the mosque in NY (which BTW is going to be the 2nd closest mosque to ground zero!)

But do these neocons have any problems with Christian churches being built in Iraq, where FAR more than 3000 people have been murdered?

lol, getting your average conservative or neo-con to understand that comparison is more of an accomplishment than tunneling to the center of the earth

[Bruno]

Well you clearly didn't listen to what he said. He said he doesn't care about the darn place, he cares about foreign policy. Stop buying into this false 2-team paradigm.


Oh, and "gadfly" at about 7minutes in. :mad:

Agreed. He said specifically, "I don't care of it gets built or not."

As far as the gadfly reference, as mentioned above, at least they didn't use quixotic. I'm alright with gadfly among the adjectives used to describe Ron Paul. And its actually quite the compliment.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_gadfly

"Gadfly" is a term for people who upset the status quo by posing upsetting or novel questions, or just being an irritant.

The term "gadfly" (Ancient Greek: μυω̃ψ, myops)[1] was used by Plato in the Apology[2] to describe Socrates' relationship of uncomfortable goad to the Athenian political scene, which he compared to a slow and dimwitted horse. The Bible also references the gadfly in terms of political influence; The Book of Jeremiah (46:20, Darby Bible) states "Egypt is a very fair heifer; the gad-fly cometh, it cometh from the north." The term has been used to describe many politicians and social commentators.

During his defense when on trial for his life, Socrates, according to Plato's writings, pointed out that dissent, like the gadfly, was easy to swat, but the cost to society of silencing individuals who were irritating could be very high. "If you kill a man like me, you will injure yourselves more than you will injure me," because his role was that of a gadfly, "to sting people and whip them into a fury, all in the service of truth."

In modern and local politics, gadfly is a term used to describe someone who persistently challenges people in positions of power, the status quo or a popular position.[3] For example, Morris Kline wrote "There is a function for the gadfly who poses questions that many specialists would like to overlook. Polemics are healthy."[4] The word may be uttered in a pejorative sense, while at the same time be accepted as a description of honourable work or civic duty.[5]

[ravedown]

i can already see the republican primary ad in 2012, " ron paul supported the mosque at hollowed ground zero! against the wishes of new yorkers and american patriots. "

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

good Moslem bad Moslem? Good Christian bad Christian? good Catholic bad Catholic? good Jew bad Jew? I hate collectivization.

[tnvoter]

when girls talk about me and say "he's a good guy" i'm fumingly offended for all the obviously sensitive reasons.

/endsarcasm

[low preference guy]

when girls talk about me and say "he's a good guy" i'm fumingly offended for all the obviously sensitive reasons.

/endsarcasm

thread winner.

[sofia]

this is why Ron is so superior to Rand.

god i love that man...

irony of all this is that Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11!

[silentshout]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

lmao..

Btw, great video! thanks for the link.

[james1906]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

He neither supports nor opposes it. It's private property.

[VirginiaRising]

irony of all this is that Muslims had nothing to do with 9/11!


I know, that's why they're covering this at all!

They know America is trying to puke up all this Islamophobia that they've been trying to ram down our throats since 9/11, because America is growing wise to what has just hit us in the face during the past 10 years.

And Americans are not as gung-ho in support of Israel anymore, because of Israel's own actions, coupled with the regurgitation of Islamophobia.


Get with the program people. There are actually crazy Christian and Jewish fundamentalists in positions of power that literally believe they are initiating the end of the world and that it's somehow their duty. George Bush said himself he was doing the work of God when he invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM IS CRAZY!! KILLING IS AGAINST YOUR OWN RULES!!

[Ricky201]

Well, I leaving this Ron Paul Board!!!! he supports the Mosque. Good bye!!!!!!

If this is for real then...

Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out. It's not you're say anyways whether it'd be built or not, and that was his point. Paul protects the smallest of all minorities: the individual. In order to protect the individual, one must support private property rights.

[Icymudpuppy]

when girls talk about me and say "he's a good guy" i'm fumingly offended for all the obviously sensitive reasons.

/endsarcasm

You should be. If you haven't noticed yet, if you are called a good guy, it means they want to talk to you about their problems because you are sensitive, but if you are called a bad guy, it means they want to F*** you because you are aggressive. Sad truth.

[Knightskye]

In the CNN interview, Paul actually said, "I don't care if it's built or not."

[YumYum]

Calling someone a "good Muslim" or a "bad Muslim" is not necessarily derogatory, it depends on who says it. I have a very difficult time believing that Beck really feels that Islam is "a beautiful religion." He says "fanatical" Muslims are a threat. I think "fanatics" of any religion are a threat, including Mormons, which he claims to be.

[low preference guy]

Calling someone a "good Muslim" or a "bad Muslim" is not necessarily derogatory, it depends on who says it. I have a very difficult time believing that Beck really feels that Islam is "a beautiful religion." He says "fanatical" Muslims are a threat. I think "fanatics" of any religion are a threat, including Mormons, which he claims to be.

Agree. Some other guy said that if it were true that it was derogatory, then he should feel offended if someone called him "a good guy", because that implies guys are usually awful.

[LibertarianfromGermany]

In the CNN interview, Paul actually said, "I don't care if it's built or not."

Of course, he neither wants to dictate the property owners to build it or not. The decision lies with them - if you specifically want that mosque to be build, you can try to convince them to do so, if you don't want it build, you're of course free to voice your concern as well, but you must ultimately recognize that the decision is not yours, but it's the decision of the owners and you must accept it whether you like it or not. I think that's what he meant by "I don't care": He is indifferent to the mosque being built, but he wants to defend their right to do what they want with their property.

[MichelleHeart]

FYI on Beck using the "good Muslims" phrase: Rand used it in a Newsmax Interview as well. No big deal.

[Akus]

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You have to watch it for yourself, they were in love with Paul.

I am concerned that the "left" channel is in love with RP, regardless if talked sense, not that he ever didn't, or not. This will be twisted into something like Ron Paul said we deserved 9/11 and is now defending for terrorists to build a suicide bomber training camp right next to the holy grail, he must be turrist sympathizer and defeatist.

Or some other nonsensical crap like that.

[Romulus]

I could not believe that woman's praise for Ron Paul - pretty shocking coming from such a liberal.

This is a tough issue since so many idiot Americans have this knee jerk 'no mosque' reation to 9/11.

Ron Paul is going to reel in a LOT of Dems with this and turn off a lot of neocons - which is fine by me. Time to weed them out. Best of all it sets the stage for 2012 and will be a platform to reel in voters who didn't get the change they voted for. :)