LGBT activists accuse Target corp. of bigotry.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

YouTube - Bigotry Special at Target (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1inmoke76E)

No article, just a video uploaded by the cameraman.
A group of LGBT protesters took a megaphone into a target store, spouting to customers they are supporting bigotry and discrimination for shopping at target. This is because Target donated $150,000 dollars to the campaign of a republican candidate who doesn't support gay marriage.

Now, I was thinking. "Ok fair enough, even though I don't agree with gay marriage, I can see where they are getting at." But then they start using profanities, and the end of the video was what made me take them not seriously. They said the $150,000 dollars should have went towards ***** youth or transgender services.

Now I'll be fair, just like how closed minded liberals try to use evangelical Christians to discredit any argument a conservative has, even if said conservative isn't religious or regularly practices a faith, this group obviously doesn't represent the entire gay population, but I think it conveys how arrogant these kind of people are. You can observe this in the smirk the lesbian in the front of the Cameraman has, as if she's righteous.

[00_Pete]

Said it before will say it once again. Their entire ideological outlook is not "equality" but "conquer". The leasons from ancient Greece, Rome and Weimar/Nazi Germany are very clear. They are RECRUITERS, they want to recruit the individual and the collective to their homosexuality, the heteros are REPRODUCERS we just want a mate to carry on the species.

This, and their unity, is what makes them such powerful New World Order weapons.

Another leason of History is that feminine-homosexuals (femmes) and the masculine-homosexuals (butch) are allies up to a point, but after they complete their objective of making society bowing down to their demands, they ALWAYS end up separating and having an ugly "homosexual civil war". The masculine-homosexuals absolutly despise everything that is "feminine", women (hetero or lesbians) and feminine-homosexuals. The "butch" faction always wins and the result is a decadent, dysfunctional, facist, militarist, warmongering society that is obssesed with all things "manly" and "virile" and "warrior" and all that hyper-masculine stuff...

This book is the truth and nothing but the truth, you can dismiss it as "typical evangelical-christian paranoia against homosexuals" all you want but its the truth and nothing but the truth: http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

Organized homosexuality is one of the greatest dangers of Mankind.

PS - Buy at Target!

[RedStripe]

Said it before will say it once again. Their entire ideological outlook is not "equality" but "conquer". The leasons from ancient Greece, Rome and Weimar/Nazi Germany are very clear. They are RECRUITERS, they want to recruit the individual and the collective to their homosexuality, the heteros are REPRODUCERS we just want a mate to carry on the species.

This, and their unity, is what makes them such powerful New World Order weapons.

Another leason of History is that feminine-homosexuals (femmes) and the masculine-homosexuals (butch) are allies up to a point, but after they complete their objective of making society bowing down to their demands, they ALWAYS end up separating and having an ugly "homosexual civil war". The masculine-homosexuals absolutly despise everything that is "feminine", women (hetero or lesbians) and feminine-homosexuals. The "butch" faction always wins and the result is a decadent, dysfunctional, facist, militarist, warmongering society that is obssesed with all things "manly" and "virile" and "warrior" and all that hyper-masculine stuff...

This book is the truth and nothing but the truth, you can dismiss it as "typical evangelical-christian paranoia against homosexuals" all you want but its the truth and nothing but the truth: http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

Organized homosexuality is one of the greatest dangers of Mankind.

lmao

Pete tell us more about how "tradition" is infallible and unquestionably right as a matter of science.

[00_Pete]

lmao

Pete tell us more about how "tradition" is infallible and unquestionably right as a matter of science.

Our traditions (aka leasons from thousands of years of the process of trial-and-error) tells us that homosexuals belong inside the closet. Why? Because every civilization that turned homosexual exists not longer. Its that simple.

Another fact most people dont know, the main reason why armies dont allowed homosexuals in their ranks its not because they are "girly" (femme-homosexuals dont want anything to do with anything military) but because they are blood-thristy, violent savages. This is one of the many FACTS about homosexuality that we are deprived of.

The Nazi Brown Shirts (completly homosexual) were such violent savages that the only time the Wermacht had guts to stand up to Hitler was to say to him "Either them or us"...this is one of the reasons why the Night of the Long Knifes happened.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Our traditions (aka leasons from thousands of years of the process of trial-and-error) tells us that homosexuals belong inside the closet. Why? Because every civilization that turned homosexual exists not longer. Its that simple.

Another fact most people dont know, the main reason why armies dont allowed homosexuals in their ranks its not because they are "girly" (femme-homosexuals dont want anything to do with anything military) but because they are blood-thristy, violent savages. This is one of the many FACTS about homosexuality that we are deprived of.

The Nazi Brown Shirts (completly homosexual) were such violent savages that the only time the Wermacht had guts to stand up to Hitler was to say to him "Either them or us"...this is one of the reasons why the Night of the Long Knifes happened.

I like this guy, he's not afraid to speak politically incorrectly.

[FrankRep]

A group of LGBT protesters took a megaphone into a target store, spouting to customers they are supporting bigotry and discrimination for shopping at target. This is because Target donated $150,000 dollars to the campaign of a republican candidate who doesn't support gay marriage.

I don't support gay marriage either.
The LGBT just gained a bunch more enemies by their little stunt.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I don't support gay marriage either.
The LGBT just gained a bunch more enemies by their little stunt.

Yes, as a matter of fact I think I'm going to go shopping at Target today :D

[GunnyFreedom]

Seriously, I don't have a problem with LGBT folks doing what they like, but I am opposed to government-sponsored gay marriage as I am also opposed to government-sponsored straight marriage -- and licensing gay marriage is throwing the car into reverse from the direction we actually need to go.

As for Target and these several protests, while I support people's right to protest I am disgusted by how they are protesting here and I think I, too, will go buy something at Target today just to spit in the faces of these self-righteous hooligans.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Seriously, I don't have a problem with LGBT folks doing what they like, but I am opposed to government-sponsored gay marriage as I am also opposed to government-sponsored straight marriage -- and licensing gay marriage is throwing the car into reverse from the direction we actually need to go.

As for Target and these several protests, while I support people's right to protest I am disgusted by how they are protesting here and I think I, too, will go buy something at Target today just to spit in the faces of these self-righteous hooligans.

Several protests? There are more?

[GunnyFreedom]

Several protests? There are more?

Oh yeah. And the impetus is from moveon.org. See here for example:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257927

As relayed by our own Danke.

This clip is at least a little funny:

YouTube - Target Ain't People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FhMMmqzbD8)

Nevertheless it is still disruptive, annoying, and bad practice in the way of a protest.

If they think they are helping their position, at least from where I sit, they are not.

They are making me angry, and riling me up to the point where I may one day (soon) actively oppose their primary effort, where currently I am (at best) apathetic about it.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Oh yeah. And the impetus is from moveon.org. See here for example:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257927

As relayed by our own Danke.

This clip is at least a little funny:

snip

Nevertheless it is still disruptive, annoying, and bad practice in the way of a protest.

If they think they are helping their position, at least from where I sit, they are not.

They are making me angry, and riling me up to the point where I may one day (soon) actively oppose their primary effort, where currently I am (at best) apathetic about it.
Eh, this one actually bothers me less, because they aren't saying profanities over a megaphone and targeting the customers with solicitation (passing out their bigotry coupons) I don't think any of the customers knew what the hell they were talking about though lol. Sounds like the gays need to move on with their lives. I hope target doesn't stand for this shit. They don't owe anybody an apology.

[TonySutton]

Yeah this is moveon.org and HRC

2 organizations who are always looking to make a mountain out of a mole hill in an effort to bring in more donations. They are the zealots of the liberal world. Don't judge everyone by their actions.

The whole thing was sparked by Targets donations to Mr Emmer who in turn had donated to a christian punk rock band (i think that is an oxymoron) The lead singer of the band had made some comments about muslims knowing how to take care of gays (aka execution)

http://minnesotaindependent.com/59337/emmer-campaign-donated-to-you-can-run

[Jordan]

YouTube - Target Ain't People (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FhMMmqzbD8)


ROFL! That was the gayest protest I've ever seen.


On another note, did Target actually give a candidate $150,000 or did they make an ad buy for said candidate, or was that $150k just from people who listed their employer as Target?

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah this is moveon.org and HRC

2 organizations who are always looking to make a mountain out of a mole hill in an effort to bring in more donations. They are the zealots of the liberal world. Don't judge everyone by their actions.

The whole thing was sparked by Targets donations to Mr Emmer who in turn had donated to a christian punk rock band (i think that is an oxymoron) The lead singer of the band had made some comments about muslims knowing how to take care of gays (aka execution)

http://minnesotaindependent.com/59337/emmer-campaign-donated-to-you-can-run (http://minnesotaindependent.com/59337/emmer-campaign-donated-to-you-can-run)

I'm just saying, it would be in the best interest of the LGBT community to start policing their own, as I am starting to move from "neutral" to "actively opposed" behind this nonsense, and I am quite sure that I am not alone.

[00_Pete]

...christian punk rock band (i think that is an oxymoron)...[/url]

I agree, the Bible didnt had financial backing while the whole punk rock movement was blessed by Wall Street, Bankers and the intertainment industry (who cleaverly disguised the whole thing as "anti establishment".

I hate it when Christians try to be "cool". I dont need that, today you are the real "counter-culture".

[GunnyFreedom]

ROFL! That was the gayest protest I've ever seen.


On another note, did Target actually give a candidate $150,000 or did they make an ad buy for said candidate, or was that $150k just from people who listed their employer as Target?

As far as I know, Target gave $150k to a PAC who in turn gave $11k to a specific candidate that moveon.org did not like.

[pacelli]

That's pretty fucked up. Target went through great strides to actively employ transgendered individuals. And THIS is how they get treated?

[Jordan]

That's pretty fucked up. Target went through great strides to actively employ transgendered individuals. And THIS is how they get treated?

I think it's kinda funny. All of the people I know who go to Target to shop go there because it's not WalMart.

"Target treats its employees better because its prices are higher!"

[MelissaWV]

Yeah... Heaven knows these people represent every LGBT person.

Honestly, I expected better from people who are quite used to plants and extremists within their own movement used against them to paint the picture of "kooks." The underlying issues, though, are quite clear among all the backlash chatter.

The "protest" style was not really a protest. It was an invasion of private property for the express purpose of bothering the customers who were there that day. Those customers had nothing to do with the decision by Target to fund a PAC that funded a candidate that swallowed a spider that wriggled and wiggled and tickled... yeah, it's one of those. Those customers were probably trying to get through their shopping and get home. Target is not exactly the greatest place to hang out. Target would have been absolutely within their rights to remove these people, especially when profanity is being used and the tone is so hostile.

The fundamental "rights" battlecry wore thin before it ever really took off. That's because, as opposed to the Equal Rights Movement, or even the Women's Rights Movement, the Gay Rights Movement had very few reasonable demands, and strayed from them right away. It's reasonable to want to visit your loved ones in the hospital (and some were barred because they weren't a lawful spouse). It's reasonable to want to be the one to make decisions on behalf of that loved one. It's reasonable to want to share insurance and to want to be accepted by your peers and all that. The real problem, though, is that rather than approach hospitals and have them change their policies, or rather than spearhead a movement to get legally ironclad living wills done at early ages so that power of attorney is established, and rather than lobbying insurance companies to consider changing their policies to allow you to tack anyone onto the policy with which you can prove a relationship of interest (even a roommate, I'd argue, or a grown sibling)... instead of any of that, a certain group has decided to go out and try to become an endangered species. Protection, legislation, and force used to make people "accept" you is not going to make you friends.

The "police their own" language is silly. It sounds like how every Muslim is responsible for those who took down the Twin Towers in the eyes of some, or every Catholic is responsible for child-molesting priests, or every woman is responsible for the NOW types who won't even write "woman" because it contains "man." Guilt by association is ridiculous. I don't have the name of every LGBT to run out and start telling them what to do. I don't have the authority or the strength to go around and police every action, deciding which are "too gay" or which are alright or which are counterproductive. We depend on individuals to decide that for themselves, and to face the consequences. I doubt sincerely this will have any impact either way on Target's bottom line, especially now during Back to School season. These videos are mostly popular on websites like this one, but in reality most people have never seen them, and an even slimmer portion of those that have, care enough to change their shopping habits over it.

[GunnyFreedom]

That's pretty fucked up. Target went through great strides to actively employ transgendered individuals. And THIS is how they get treated?

Yeah, that's part of my point. Bending over backwards is not enough. Moreons.org will not be happy until Target is holding customers at gunpoint and forcing them to perform homosexual acts, it would seem. Of course it's all a ruse -- Moreons.org doesn't actually care about the gay community, they are just using that as a cover to oppose "non-democrats." Still, these folks are willing to allow themselves to be used as a ruse, because it gives them publicity -- nevermind that they are attacking one of their biggest friends in the commercial world. Hypocrisy much? Hypocrisy is my #1 biggest pet peeve. As far as I am concerned, they can all go to hell. The issue-activist LGBT community is shooting themselves in the foot by participating in this, and if they don't get off their arse and start trying to put things right, then they will deserve what they get IMNSHO.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

Yeah, that's part of my point. Bending over backwards is not enough. Moreons.org will not be happy until Target is holding customers at gunpoint and forcing them to perform homosexual acts, it would seem. Of course it's all a ruse -- Moreons.org doesn't actually care about the gay community, they are just using that as a cover to oppose "non-democrats." Still, these folks are willing to allow themselves to be used as a ruse, because it gives them publicity -- nevermind that they are attacking one of their biggest friends in the commercial world. Hypocrisy much? Hypocrisy is my #1 biggest pet peeve. As far as I am concerned, they can all go to hell. The issue-activist LGBT community is shooting themselves in the foot by participating in this, and if they don't get off their arse and start trying to put things right, then they will deserve what they get IMNSHO.

Yeah, I didn't see the LGBT people complaining when corporations gave millions to Mr. Obama.

[specsaregood]

I think it's kinda funny. All of the people I know who go to Target to shop go there because it's not WalMart.
"Target treats its employees better because its prices are higher!"

That has actually been shown to be false, in many markets walmart pays better and offers better benefits packages than target.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

That has actually been shown to be false, than in many markets walmart pays better and offers better benefits packages than target.

Benefits including free government health care.

[specsaregood]

Benefits including free government health care.

I wasn't including that; but yeah sure. The target employees are just as guilty of taking state handouts.

[Jordan]

That has actually been shown to be false, in many markets walmart pays better and offers better benefits packages than target.

Yeah, I know, that's the funny part.

WalMart pays more per hour for front line employees than most "upscale" brands like Starbucks, Border's Book store, etc.

Besides, WalMart is great about hiring from within. If you have any brains whatsoever and put in your fair share of time, you'll advance quite quickly.


Wal-Mart Management Salary Scale

Asset Protection Coordinator- $38,500 - 55,000

Assistant Manager - 38,000 - 65,000

People Manager (HR) - 38,000 - 75,000

Co-Manager - 60,000-120,000

Store Manager - 80,000 - 300,000 with bonuses etc.

Market Merchandisers (Electronics, Grocery, Fashion, TLE) - 85,000 - 110,000

Market Asset Protection, Human Resource - 85,000 - 115,000

Market Manager - 142,000 - 400,000


Not bad...

[GunnyFreedom]

Yeah... Heaven knows these people represent every LGBT person.

Honestly, I expected better from people who are quite used to plants and extremists within their own movement used against them to paint the picture of "kooks." The underlying issues, though, are quite clear among all the backlash chatter.

Sure, just like one racist Rand Pauler represents every Paul supporter -- oh wait -- the Rand Paul people stood up and denounced that idiot and exposed him as a plant...

Silence is perceived as acceptance. Why are we held to a higher standard than the left? Why are we expected to denounce the Don Blacks or get painted as racist, but the left has no such obligation on themselves?

It's either one way or the other. The same standard must apply to all people or it's hypocrisy. Either nobody has any reason to call out and denounce their fringe elements, or everybody does. This notion that Paulers and Tea Partiers have an obligation to denounce their radical fringes, but the socialists and the activist LGBT people do not is an outrage.


The "protest" style was not really a protest. It was an invasion of private property for the express purpose of bothering the customers who were there that day. Those customers had nothing to do with the decision by Target to fund a PAC that funded a candidate that swallowed a spider that wriggled and wiggled and tickled... yeah, it's one of those. Those customers were probably trying to get through their shopping and get home. Target is not exactly the greatest place to hang out. Target would have been absolutely within their rights to remove these people, especially when profanity is being used and the tone is so hostile.

The fundamental "rights" battlecry wore thin before it ever really took off. That's because, as opposed to the Equal Rights Movement, or even the Women's Rights Movement, the Gay Rights Movement had very few reasonable demands, and strayed from them right away. It's reasonable to want to visit your loved ones in the hospital (and some were barred because they weren't a lawful spouse). It's reasonable to want to be the one to make decisions on behalf of that loved one. It's reasonable to want to share insurance and to want to be accepted by your peers and all that. The real problem, though, is that rather than approach hospitals and have them change their policies, or rather than spearhead a movement to get legally ironclad living wills done at early ages so that power of attorney is established, and rather than lobbying insurance companies to consider changing their policies to allow you to tack anyone onto the policy with which you can prove a relationship of interest (even a roommate, I'd argue, or a grown sibling)... instead of any of that, a certain group has decided to go out and try to become an endangered species. Protection, legislation, and force used to make people "accept" you is not going to make you friends.

I am in 100% full agreement with every element above.


The "police their own" language is silly. It sounds like how every Muslim is responsible for those who took down the Twin Towers in the eyes of some, or every Catholic is responsible for child-molesting priests, or every woman is responsible for the NOW types who won't even write "woman" because it contains "man." Guilt by association is ridiculous. I don't have the name of every LGBT to run out and start telling them what to do. I don't have the authority or the strength to go around and police every action, deciding which are "too gay" or which are alright or which are counterproductive. We depend on individuals to decide that for themselves, and to face the consequences. I doubt sincerely this will have any impact either way on Target's bottom line, especially now during Back to School season. These videos are mostly popular on websites like this one, but in reality most people have never seen them, and an even slimmer portion of those that have, care enough to change their shopping habits over it.

And yet it's true. The "Tea Parties" are expected to police their own, and in fact they do. Countless times have the Tea parties laid on to racists and expelled them or exposed them or ostracized them. The Ron Paul movement is expected to police our own, and in fact we do. When people stand up and make an ass out of the rest of us, we do not hesitate to call them out and tell them to shut up and sit down.

I am not talking about tracking every individual down and telling them what they can and cannot do, and I have never even insinuated such, but when people start behaving in an ugly fashion for a cause that you share, it becomes important to say publicly and loudly "I dissent" or the mindless sheeple will paint everyone with the same broad brush.

Why is it that the so-called "radical right" of the Tea Party and Ron Paul people are expected, even required to do this, but the "radical left" is 'just people' with no such expectation? It's not the act of policing or not policing that pisses me off, it's the double-standard. I despise hypocrisy with every fiber of my being.

Now the left goes off about a donation to Ron Paul from Don Black and the owner of a "house of ill repute," and they go off about a donation to Rand Paul from a soft-core website, but when you bring things up to them it "Oh that doesn't apply to US" BULLSHIT!

What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If we have to worry about our fringe elements, then they have to worry about theirs. If they shouldn't have to worry about their fringe elements, then we shouldn't have the worry about ours.

Frankly the whole notion of having to expel the fringe elements is absurd, but as long as the opposition to smaller constitutional government continues to wallow in hypocrisy, then I will continue to call them on it. :mad:

[MelissaWV]

Sure, just like one racist Rand Pauler represents every Paul supporter -- oh wait -- the Rand Paul people stood up and denounced that idiot and exposed him as a plant...

Silence is perceived as acceptance. Why are we held to a higher standard than the left? Why are we expected to denounce the Don Blacks or get painted as racist, but the left has no such obligation on themselves?

Guess what? The group is still painted as racist. The group is still painted as fringe. More people think that the group is a bunch of white bigots than know anything about a plant within the movement. You're holding YOURSELF to a high standard, and some of the people who race to "help" are doing more to hinder and harm than the original smearers.

Jumping up and pointing to a hardly-talked-about video and saying "OMG I'm not like that!" merely draws more attention to it. Most of these things are things I would not hear about, except for these forums. I will not reach the people involved, who were shopping at Target at the time. I will certainly not reach people who already believe LGBT's are some sort of swarming group that thinks uniformly across the boards. What I will do, instead, is actually continue to make things logical and the deck less stacked, rather than get distracted into a war of words to try to convince the unconvincable. It's a trap, and yeah, a lot of people in this movement fall into it.

"Racists!" "I'm not racist! See? There's a black person over there who agrees with Rand Paul, too! That means he can't be racist!" In the meantime, what gets done?

The people you're talking about make a living distracting from other issues, and drawing attention to whatever superficial issue they wave in front of our noses. I can guarantee you they adore it whenever they get counterprotestors. Haven't you ever noticed that the news covers it more when there are two sides out protesting? Here's the pro-Target *****s and the anti-Target *****s, and in other news the local football team is looking good and it'll be mostly cloudy with a chance of rain and (oh by the way the Government still owns you, but look at the funny gay people)...

The whole process would move along much faster if, rather than standing around denouncing things and pointing fingers, people did something about the problems. Pull the rug out from under the activists. People whine less when their problems are solved, though they'll still whine that it wasn't done their way.

Just my $0.02, but I guess I need to go start doing YouTube videos. I'm going to be very busy. I have a lot of groups I happen to be a part of (by no fault of my own, actually) that I need to denounce activities for. The US, military families, children of Government workers, Hispanics, LGBT's, Christians, non-native English speakers, women with tans, women in general, members of the media....

[silentshout]

So is this campaign contribution just from the CEO, or done in the name of Target? Honestly, i really do not care, but companies aren't people (well, they weren't until the Citizens United case....).

[FrankRep]

So is this campaign contribution just from the CEO, or done in the name of Target? Honestly, i really do not care, but companies aren't people (well, they weren't until the Citizens United case....).

You can thank the 14th Amendment for that.

HowStuffWorks "The 14th Amendment and Artificial Personhood"
http://money.howstuffworks.com/corporation-person1.htm

[TonySutton]

So is this campaign contribution just from the CEO, or done in the name of Target? Honestly, i really do not care, but companies aren't people (well, they weren't until the Citizens United case....).

From Target to a Pac for a tv ad. Target did this because the candidate is seen as pro business. Unfortunately the candidate had given some money to a christian punk rock band who's lead singer made some harsh statements regarding gays.

Personally I consider the whole mess a distraction.

[erowe1]

but companies aren't people (well, they weren't until the Citizens United case....).

Yes they are, and always have been. McCain-Feingold was a violation of our right to free speech, which includes the right to speech funded by a bunch of us pooling our resources together via mutually entering a contract and delegating to a board the responsibility of allocating those resources on our behalf. The Citizens United ruling was right.

[LibertyVox]

@00PETE, I am just going to repost your comments. Regardless of whether homosexuality is detrimental to society and is against God, or how idiotic those 3-4 individuals LGBT might've been. Nothing tops your non-sequitor malarkey.




Said it before will say it once again. Their entire ideological outlook is not "equality" but "conquer". The leasons from ancient Greece, Rome and Weimar/Nazi Germany are very clear. They are RECRUITERS, they want to recruit the individual and the collective to their homosexuality, the heteros are REPRODUCERS we just want a mate to carry on the species.

This, and their unity, is what makes them such powerful New World Order weapons.

Another leason of History is that feminine-homosexuals (femmes) and the masculine-homosexuals (butch) are allies up to a point, but after they complete their objective of making society bowing down to their demands, they ALWAYS end up separating and having an ugly "homosexual civil war". The masculine-homosexuals absolutly despise everything that is "feminine", women (hetero or lesbians) and feminine-homosexuals. The "butch" faction always wins and the result is a decadent, dysfunctional, facist, militarist, warmongering society that is obssesed with all things "manly" and "virile" and "warrior" and all that hyper-masculine stuff...

This book is the truth and nothing but the truth, you can dismiss it as "typical evangelical-christian paranoia against homosexuals" all you want but its the truth and nothing but the truth: http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

Organized homosexuality is one of the greatest dangers of Mankind.

PS - Buy at Target!


Our traditions (aka leasons from thousands of years of the process of trial-and-error) tells us that homosexuals belong inside the closet. Why? Because every civilization that turned homosexual exists not longer. Its that simple.

Another fact most people dont know, the main reason why armies dont allowed homosexuals in their ranks its not because they are "girly" (femme-homosexuals dont want anything to do with anything military) but because they are blood-thristy, violent savages. This is one of the many FACTS about homosexuality that we are deprived of.

The Nazi Brown Shirts (completly homosexual) were such violent savages that the only time the Wermacht had guts to stand up to Hitler was to say to him "Either them or us"...this is one of the reasons why the Night of the Long Knifes happened.

[Meatwasp]

Well if those nuts poke someones eye out with their umbrellas, I hope they get sued but good.

[AmericaFyeah92]

Another fact most people dont know, the main reason why armies dont allowed homosexuals in their ranks its not because they are "girly" (femme-homosexuals dont want anything to do with anything military) but because they are blood-thristy, violent savages. This is one of the many FACTS about homosexuality that we are deprived of.

.

Now THAT is something I haven't heard before

[Brian4Liberty]

Our traditions (aka leasons from thousands of years of the process of trial-and-error) tells us that homosexuals belong inside the closet. Why? Because every civilization that turned homosexual exists not longer. Its that simple.

Wow, that's some real science-like stuff. :rolleyes:

A neo-prohibitionist told me the other day that alcohol was the primary factor in the fall of all civilizations. Which to choose? I am leaning towards the consumption of carrots. While eyesight does improve, in the end, the carrots always destroy a civilization.


Said it before will say it once again. Their entire ideological outlook is not "equality" but "conquer". The leasons from ancient Greece, Rome and Weimar/Nazi Germany are very clear. They are RECRUITERS, they want to recruit the individual and the collective to their homosexuality, the heteros are REPRODUCERS we just want a mate to carry on the species.


Actually, the correct derogatory term would be "breeders", not "reproducers". How are they doing on recruiting you? Thinking of switching sides yet? You must be right on the edge, otherwise you wouldn't worry about them turning you.

That's a wide, collectivist brush to paint a group of people with. Yes, these people that did the video in Target are a bunch of idiots and jerks. And in the end, these bozo protesters want the money to go to their cause? Yeah, right. But you can't put the actions of a couple of people on a whole group.

As far as Target's donations to political campaigns, I would dare to make a wild assumption that it would have nothing to do with gay issues, but more to do with some type of business favors that Target wants, which is how our Corporatocracy-Oligarchy functions. They are probably more concerned with labor, immigration, zoning laws and stealing taxpayer money, which they should be called out for. Corporatist pawn candidates should be called out too.

Move-on.org just wants to make sure that all politicians are on their take. They don't like competition when it comes to bidding on politicians.

[00_Pete]

Now THAT is something I haven't heard before

Nicky Crane, England´s most notorious and violent skinhead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicky_Crane

Also provided security for the famous Screwdriver nazi rock band.

'I feel more betrayed by him than probably anybody else, because he was the head of our security. I actually used to stick up for him when people used to say that he was *****, because he convinced me that he wasn't. I always used to ask him why he worked at these gay dubs, telling him that he'd get a bad name. He used to say that it was the security firm that he used to work with, that they used to give him the job there. I accepted him at face value, as he was a Nationalist. - Ian Donaldson

Suuuuure... :D

Modern National-Socialist movement is full of homosexuals, in fact you can fell the woman-hating butch-homosexualism just by looking at them.

Nietzsche is very big among them since he was also a woman-hating butch-homosexual.

[jmdrake]

Guess what? The group is still painted as racist. The group is still painted as fringe. More people think that the group is a bunch of white bigots than know anything about a plant within the movement. You're holding YOURSELF to a high standard, and some of the people who race to "help" are doing more to hinder and harm than the original smearers.

Jumping up and pointing to a hardly-talked-about video and saying "OMG I'm not like that!" merely draws more attention to it. Most of these things are things I would not hear about, except for these forums. I will not reach the people involved, who were shopping at Target at the time. I will certainly not reach people who already believe LGBT's are some sort of swarming group that thinks uniformly across the boards. What I will do, instead, is actually continue to make things logical and the deck less stacked, rather than get distracted into a war of words to try to convince the unconvincable. It's a trap, and yeah, a lot of people in this movement fall into it.

"Racists!" "I'm not racist! See? There's a black person over there who agrees with Rand Paul, too! That means he can't be racist!" In the meantime, what gets done?

The people you're talking about make a living distracting from other issues, and drawing attention to whatever superficial issue they wave in front of our noses. I can guarantee you they adore it whenever they get counterprotestors. Haven't you ever noticed that the news covers it more when there are two sides out protesting? Here's the pro-Target *****s and the anti-Target *****s, and in other news the local football team is looking good and it'll be mostly cloudy with a chance of rain and (oh by the way the Government still owns you, but look at the funny gay people)...

The whole process would move along much faster if, rather than standing around denouncing things and pointing fingers, people did something about the problems. Pull the rug out from under the activists. People whine less when their problems are solved, though they'll still whine that it wasn't done their way.

Just my $0.02, but I guess I need to go start doing YouTube videos. I'm going to be very busy. I have a lot of groups I happen to be a part of (by no fault of my own, actually) that I need to denounce activities for. The US, military families, children of Government workers, Hispanics, LGBT's, Christians, non-native English speakers, women with tans, women in general, members of the media....

Good post. However I wonder. How many documented cases are there of gays being denied hospital visitation? Last time I had a dying relative in the hospital nobody was denied visitation. And living wills are already "ironclad". With this argument thrown around so much I would have expected to see the "poster child" of the gay partner who had durable power of attorney and was denied hospital visitation. You know, the "Matthew Shepherd" of the hospital visitation argument. I've never seen it.

[erowe1]

Good post. However I wonder. How many documented cases are there of gays being denied hospital visitation? Last time I had a dying relative in the hospital nobody was denied visitation. And living wills are already "ironclad". With this argument thrown around so much I would have expected to see the "poster child" of the gay partner who had durable power of attorney and was denied hospital visitation. You know, the "Matthew Shepherd" of the hospital visitation argument. I've never seen it.

I do vaguely remember some poster child of that kind of thing. But I didn't really pay attention, so I'm not sure of the details.

[specsaregood]

Modern National-Socialist movement is full of homosexuals, in fact you can feel the woman-hating butch-homosexualism just by looking at them.

Now that is a meme I wouldn't mind spreading.

[00_Pete]

Wow, that's some real science-like stuff. :rolleyes:

A neo-prohibitionist told me the other day that alcohol was the primary factor in the fall of all civilizations. Which to choose? I am leaning towards the consumption of carrots. While eyesight does improve, in the end, the carrots always destroy a civilization.

3 civilizational collapses (preceded by socialism, facism, extreme militarism and wars), 3 literal homosexual takeovers of government, education, military and security forces, arts and culture...coincidence? I dont think so. You got nothing to counter this facts.




Actually, the correct derogatory term would be "breeders", not "reproducers". How are they doing on recruiting you? Thinking of switching sides yet? You must be right on the edge, otherwise you wouldn't worry about them turning you.

The homophobe=repressed homosexual is getting very old and its one of the many weapons used against the people who are aware the disaster homosexuality is.

You know how things in ancient Greece, after the homosexuals took over, worked? Woman = Make babies, go work in the farms and STFU they werent allowed to have any kind of education, just make babies and work like slaves. Once the kids reached puberty they would go thru a brutal process of selection (often deadly) to figure out who were the "warriors" and who werent. Then this kids would be assigned to a adult mentor full of battle scars, then the kid would be butt rapped by the mentor and trained to be a manly virile warrior and go to war.

BTW...when they was an excess of females in the population (this happened often because of war) they would throw the female babies of cliffs to keep the numbers under control.

This is the true face of homosexualism.

[jmdrake]

I do vaguely remember some poster child of that kind of thing. But I didn't really pay attention, so I'm not sure of the details.

Well an important detail would be "Did they have a durable power of attorney". I'm willing to bet the answer to that question is no.

[PBrady]

It boggles my mind that Pete still hasn't gotten the boot from here yet.

[jmdrake]

It boggles my mind that Pete still hasn't gotten the boot from here yet.

Because not being politically correct is not a violation of the forum guidelines.

[Warrior_of_Freedom]

I just got back from shopping guys :) I got some frozen dinners, a video game on clearance, and some candy.

[Brian4Liberty]

3 civilizational collapses (preceded by socialism, facism, extreme militarism and wars), 3 literal homosexual takeovers of government, education, military and security forces, arts and culture...coincidence? I dont think so. You got nothing to counter this facts.


A socialist is a socialist. Not all socialists are LGBT.

You got nothing to counter the "facts" that those societies were destroyed by alcohol...

[BlackTerrel]

People like this only do harm to their cause. Some on their own side will support it and therefore they'll think they're doing great, but preaching to the choir benefits no one.

Also from the perspective of a business what are you supposed to do? No matter what you do you're going to piss off a huge percentage of people. If I owned a business I would do my damnedest to stay out of politics completely.

[Acala]

they ALWAYS end up separating and having an ugly "homosexual civil war".

Yes, history is replete with examples of the great **** wars. Vast battlefields covered with dead femmes.

But I wouldn't call them ugly. In fact, they were always done tastefully. Pastel banners and so on.

[Acala]

Because every civilization that turned homosexual exists not longer. Its that simple.



Yikes! Is there some kinda immunization I can take so I don't catch homosexuality? Sounds like it would be unpatriotic of me, seeing as how it would destroy the country and all.

[Brian4Liberty]

Yikes! Is there some kinda immunization I can take so I don't catch homosexuality?

No vaccinations! ;)

[Brian4Liberty]

Yes, history is replete with examples of the great **** wars. Vast battlefields covered with dead femmes.


:D

[johngr]

Yes, history is replete with examples of the great **** wars. Vast battlefields covered with dead femmes.

But I wouldn't call them ugly. In fact, they were always done tastefully. Pastel banners and so on.

It'll be real bad if they let gays in the US military. How about a special forces unit called the 69th Rump Rangers? Or a double MOS motorpool/medic unit (specialising in sexually transmitted diseases) called the Crank Mechanics. Or an Air Force colour guard for marching in gay pride parades in dress pinks with the flag bearers wearing aviator sunglasses, leather flight jacket and chaps with bare buttocks called the Flying ******s?

[Acala]

No vaccinations! ;)

Try new "Gay-Not".

Thimerosol-free!!!!

[Acala]

It'll be real bad if they let gays in the US military. How about a special forces unit called the 69th Rump Rangers? Or a double MOS motorpool/medic unit (specialising in sexually transmitted diseases) called the Crank Mechanics. Or an Air Force colour guard for marching in gay pride parades in dress pinks with the flag bearers wearing aviator sunglasses, leather flight jacket and chaps with bare buttocks called the Flying ******s?

That's the spirit!

[Danke]

It'll be real bad if they let gays in the US military. How about a special forces unit called the 69th Rump Rangers? Or a double MOS motorpool/medic unit (specialising in sexually transmitted diseases) called the Crank Mechanics. Or an Air Force colour guard for marching in gay pride parades in dress pinks with the flag bearers wearing aviator sunglasses, leather flight jacket and chaps with bare buttocks called the Flying ******s?

YouTube - Monty Python Precision Drilling (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Qhbdijv5Y)

[00_Pete]

It'll be real bad if they let gays in the US military. How about a special forces unit called the 69th Rump Rangers? Or a double MOS motorpool/medic unit (specialising in sexually transmitted diseases) called the Crank Mechanics. Or an Air Force colour guard for marching in gay pride parades in dress pinks with the flag bearers wearing aviator sunglasses, leather flight jacket and chaps with bare buttocks called the Flying ******s?

Spartan army with laser-guided missiles and thermonuclear weapons? The last thing on your mind would be making jokes let me assure you...

[Acala]

Spartan army with laser-guided missiles and thermonuclear weapons? The last thing on your mind would be making jokes let me assure you...

I usually think of the term "homophobia" as something of a counter- insult ginned up by the gay community to stigmatize those who disapprove of homosexuality. But this looks like an honest-to-God case of someone scared s*^tless of homosexuals. Who would have thought it possible . . .

[TonySutton]

I usually think of the term "homophobia" as something of a counter- insult ginned up by the gay community to stigmatize those who disapprove of homosexuality. But this looks like an honest-to-God case of someone scared s*^tless of homosexuals. Who would have thought it possible . . .

Because he knows if I look at him and bat my eyes he will be transformed into an evil gay war monger... ;)

[Acala]

Because he knows if I look at him and bat my eyes he will be transformed into an evil gay war monger... ;)

He can get the vaccine against the gayness.

[MelissaWV]

From Target to a Pac for a tv ad. Target did this because the candidate is seen as pro business. Unfortunately the candidate had given some money to a christian punk rock band who's lead singer made some harsh statements regarding gays.

Personally I consider the whole mess a distraction.

Absolutely. So are the calls for people to stand up and renounce behavior of similar parties.


Because he knows if I look at him and bat my eyes he will be transformed into an evil gay war monger... ;)

A lot of people don't know this, but that's how I caught the gayness. Damn you Tony. Damn you and your eyelashes!

[dannno]

I think it's funny, yet also sad, how some people here talk about society transforming into a gay society. Like there are straight societies and gay ones, and if society accepts gay culture suddenly everybody turns gay.

You can't just accept that some people are gay, and in societies where it is considered really bad people often just keep it a secret and pretend to be attracted to their spouse, and their relationships may suffer for that.

[BlackTerrel]

I think it's funny, yet also sad, how some people here talk about society transforming into a gay society. Like there are straight societies and gay ones, and if society accepts gay culture suddenly everybody turns gay.

You can't just accept that some people are gay, and in societies where it is considered really bad people often just keep it a secret and pretend to be attracted to their spouse, and their relationships may suffer for that.

I agree though for different reasons. I do believe it is some sort of psychological issue (like being OCD, Manic Depressive, split personality or a furry fetish) and for that reason I have a hard time believing these people are just normal and we shouldn't worry about it.

At the same time, the idea that we are all going to turn gay, society will become gay, they are recuriting, you can "catch it" etc... are as absurd as the idea that our society will all turn OCD or furry fetish.

[00_Pete]

I agree though for different reasons. I do believe it is some sort of psychological issue (like being OCD, Manic Depressive, split personality or a furry fetish) and for that reason I have a hard time believing these people are just normal and we shouldn't worry about it.

At the same time, the idea that we are all going to turn gay, society will become gay, they are recuriting, you can "catch it" etc... are as absurd as the idea that our society will all turn OCD or furry fetish.

You are always throwing those indirect insults around like a little hoe...stop being a bitch and just insult me directly...

[MelissaWV]

http://americanhistory.si.edu/dynamic/images/collections_xlarge/2006-25900-01_428px.jpg

[TonySutton]

...society will all turn OCD or furry fetish.

Furry is not a fetish. Anyone who thinks so has not researched this sub culture.

[Deborah K]

This seems to be less about equal treatment and more about preferential treatment.

[Acala]

It is interesting that the hate-mongoring always seems to devolve into the same argument - if you don't stop "them" they are going to take over the world and destroy society. This is the identical argument being used to justify our role as corrupt world policeman. If we don't fight the islamofascists, they will take over. It used to be the communists. Before that the fascists. Before that the Huns. Etc.

And so if we don't beat the ***** back into the closet, they are literally going to take over society and they are bloodthirsty maniacs who will kill us all.

Please. :rolleyes:

[TonySutton]

... bloodthirsty maniacs who will kill us all.



Oh, that explains it. Gays are vampires! They are blood thirsty, they can turn you into one of them and they only come out at night :eek:


hehehe

[MelissaWV]

Oh, that explains it. Gays are vampires! They are blood thirsty, they can turn you into one of them and they only come out at night :eek:


hehehe

I thought about saying something about how gays are turning homophobes gay via expert sucking, but I didn't say it.

[Brian4Liberty]

Oh, that explains it. Gays are vampires! They are blood thirsty, they can turn you into one of them and they only come out at night :eek:


hehehe

Or the other way around...vampires are gay. Have you ever watched HBO's True Blood? They broke the gay meter on that show. :eek: :D

[BlackTerrel]

You are always throwing those indirect insults around like a little hoe...stop being a bitch and just insult me directly...

You are gay.

[BlackTerrel]

Furry is not a fetish. Anyone who thinks so has not researched this sub culture.

Without commenting on your avatar yeah I definitely have not researched it. I once saw an HBO special on fetishes and furry was one of them. They were basically guys who were attracted to people in mascot uniforms.

Basically they would see something like this, and it would turn them on:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_SifTL4fQql0/S-f1tpFFEvI/AAAAAAAAFz8/yfgbE4OwyOc/s400/medium_barney.jpg

I basically view them the same as I view gay people. It's fucking weird. There are probably some deep psychological issues lurking there. It creeps me the fuck out and don't try to tell me it's normal.

Beyond that I don't give a fuck what they do. I have no desire to legislate against them, "fury bash", or in any way shape or form worry about their lifestyle. I just don't care.

[erowe1]

I basically view them the same as I view gay people.

It's possible to be both.

http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00473/Tinky_Winky_280_473836a.jpg

[AmericaFyeah92]

This is the funniest thread ever

[TonySutton]

Without commenting on your avatar yeah I definitely have not researched it. I once saw an HBO special on fetishes and furry was one of them. They were basically guys who were attracted to people in mascot uniforms.

Basically they would see something like this, and it would turn them on:

/snip barney

I basically view them the same as I view gay people. It's fucking weird. There are probably some deep psychological issues lurking there. It creeps me the fuck out and don't try to tell me it's normal.

Beyond that I don't give a fuck what they do. I have no desire to legislate against them, "fury bash", or in any way shape or form worry about their lifestyle. I just don't care.

An HBO special, omg, I bet they would never misrepresent something for ratings, hahaha.

Furrys are a fandom similar to anime fans, sci fi fans or comic book fans. In particular furry fans are people who are interested in representations of animals with human characteristics. This could be cartoons, art, literature, puppetry, mascots and more. :)

[Danke]

I once saw an HBO special on fetishes and furry was one of them. They were basically guys who were attracted to people in mascot uniforms.

...

Beyond that I don't give a fuck what they do. I have no desire to legislate against them, "fury bash", or in any way shape or form worry about their lifestyle. I just don't care.

I think there may be something to it:

YouTube - Teletubbies Porn! ACCIDENTAL? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScU_BtgMHIg)

:D

[Bruno]

Our traditions (aka leasons from thousands of years of the process of trial-and-error) tells us that homosexuals belong inside the closet. Why? Because every civilization that turned homosexual exists not longer. Its that simple.

Another fact most people dont know, the main reason why armies dont allowed homosexuals in their ranks its not because they are "girly" (femme-homosexuals dont want anything to do with anything military) but because they are blood-thristy, violent savages. This is one of the many FACTS about homosexuality that we are deprived of.

The Nazi Brown Shirts (completly homosexual) were such violent savages that the only time the Wermacht had guts to stand up to Hitler was to say to him "Either them or us"...this is one of the reasons why the Night of the Long Knifes happened.

Where are examples of homosexuals serving in our U.S. military going on savage blood-thirsty rages either in Afghanistan or Iraq? There are plenty of homosexuals serving there, surely there would be many raging acts by homosexuals. I hear of heterosexuals raping women often enough.

[amy31416]

I think it's fantastic that this thread is now about furries.

Is there anything that human beings can't get off on?

[james1906]

Is there anything that human beings can't get off on?


http://futuregold.org/RonPaulStuff/images/1stTN06.jpg

[amy31416]

http://futuregold.org/RonPaulStuff/images/1stTN06.jpg

:D:D

[amy31416]

http://futuregold.org/ronpaulstuff/images/1sttn06.jpg

:D :D

Meanie!

[V-rod]

There are gay people out there who aren't attention whores.

[BlackTerrel]

^^^^^^ Hahahahaha

That is hysterical. Wonderfully timed.

[Daamien]

Evil and ignorance historically has afflicted mankind universally regardless of gender, race, age, sexual orientation, religion, political alignment, and economic background. In his own ignorance and bigotry towards homosexuals 00_Pete has become part of that statistic.

[MelissaWV]

BT Rest assured that, whatever you do sexually, someone out there finds it fucking strange and supposes you have some kind of deep psychological trauma that explains your strange fetish. ;)

[bruce leeroy]

her: "would it help if you went back to thinkin that I'm your sister"
him:" WHAT KINDA WHITE TRASH PERV DO YOU THINK I AM????????"
lights out
***squeak squeak****
her: I'M YOUR SISTER, I'M YOUR SISTER!!!!!!!!!!

[Kregisen]

I've never felt like throwing up because of a thread on here 'til now.

[Bruno]

BT Rest assured that, whatever you do sexually, someone out there finds it fucking strange and supposes you have some kind of deep psychological trauma that explains your strange fetish. ;)

This is a true statement

[bruce leeroy]

some people would call a coke, extasy, and pabst blue ribbon fueled orgy with a thai ladyboy, an ostrich, two barbara streisand look-alikes, and their first cousin a sick perversion
I call it tuesday night

[amy31416]

some people would call a coke, extasy, and pabst blue ribbon fueled orgy with a thai ladyboy, an ostrich, two barbara streisand look-alikes, and their first cousin a sick perversion
I call it tuesday night

You had me until the Streisand look-alikes.......

[Bruno]

some people would call a coke, extasy, and pabst blue ribbon fueled orgy with a thai ladyboy, an ostrich, two barbara streisand look-alikes, and their first cousin a sick perversion
I call it tuesday night

lmao! :D

[00_Pete]

some people would call a coke, extasy, and pabst blue ribbon fueled orgy with a thai ladyboy, an ostrich, two barbara streisand look-alikes, and their first cousin a sick perversion
I call it tuesday night

As long as you stay the hell away from government, media and culture and -above all- miltary and internal security forces, im fine with that...

[00_Pete]

Evil and ignorance historically has afflicted mankind universally regardless of gender, race, age, sexual orientation, religion, political alignment, and economic background. In his own ignorance and bigotry towards homosexuals 00_Pete has become part of that statistic.

"Evil and ignorant" homophobia is the one that makes a bunch of males playing "bash the ***" just because they think its funny and/or they think they are upgrading their manliness and/or mob mentality. My homophobia is extremelly well-grounded and well informed. I bet most homosexuals dont even know that Hitler´s mentor, Ernst Rohm, was "one of them" and he was even a regular collumnist for a German homosexual newspaper...

[MelissaWV]

"Evil and ignorant" homophobia is the one that makes a bunch of males playing "bash the ***" just because they think its funny and/or they think they are upgrading their manliness and/or mob mentality. My homophobia is extremelly well-grounded and well informed. I bet most homosexuals dont even know that Hitler´s mentor, Ernst Rohm, was "one of them" and he was even a regular collumnist for a German homosexual newspaper...

That's startling. How many monsters in history (I notice you didn't accuse Hitler himself of being a homosexual...) are heterosexual? You know, "one of you"?

[Bruno]

:confused:


Where are examples of homosexuals serving in our U.S. military going on savage blood-thirsty rages either in Afghanistan or Iraq? There are plenty of homosexuals serving there, surely there would be many raging acts by homosexuals. I hear of heterosexuals raping women often enough.

[bruce leeroy]

You had me until the Streisand look-alikes.......

I got a naked picture of barbara striesand when she was young

[Acala]

Evil and ignorance historically has afflicted mankind universally regardless of gender, race, age, sexual orientation, religion, political alignment, and economic background. In his own ignorance and bigotry towards homosexuals 00_Pete has become part of that statistic.

^this is the only post anyone needs to read on this thread, although many others have amusement value.

[amy31416]

I got a naked picture of barbara striesand when she was young

Thanks for the clarification...because, well, the image I had---eccch.

[bruce leeroy]

inter-species marriage activist cries fowl over feds

[Fox McCloud]

I haven't watched the video, but if the description is accurate, then the individuals participating are a bunch of hypocrites; they're taking the "it's only ok if we do it (but not you)" attitude; its wrong to fund someone who's against gay marriage, but ok to fund their own views?

either way, I despise any and all groups that behave like that--they scream and holler about fund going one way, then turn around and demand they go another way...wouldn't it do yourself more credit to suggest that the group you're protesting against merely remain neutral? Bahh.

Anyway, if the video is anything like the Whole Foods protest, then I imagine that the individual involved are loud, obnoxious, and possibly intruding on private property--if I was a manager in that situation, I'd definitely make them leave.

[BlackTerrel]

BT Rest assured that, whatever you do sexually, someone out there finds it fucking strange and supposes you have some kind of deep psychological trauma that explains your strange fetish. ;)

That's true I am into some freaky shit.