How to stop a RON PAUL 2012 RUN 100% Promise

[speciallyblend]

1 Do not attend GOP meetings!!!
2 Do not join the GOP or register republican!!

I think that covers it!!!

so if you do not want Ron Paul running in 2012 stay in the LP/CP/TP and don't become a republican! that is the bottom line!!!

kill the ron paul revolution, don't attend gop meetings and refuse to register gop and you can forget Ron Paul 2012 and who is to blame ? YOURSELF

[speciallyblend]

blimp for non-republicans who support the ron paul revolution. YOU ARE TO BLAME not the neo-cons!!

[speciallyblend]

non-rpf republicans should keep this thread bumped ,seriously!!! it is what you want! obviously. if your a rpf member or a ron paul revolution member and not registered republican. i will have to view you as a troll in the future!

[RedStripe]

But if he loses by a massive majority, it really wouldn't matter if .0001% of the US population decided to do the things you're talking about, sorry.

[speciallyblend]

But if he loses by a massive majority, it really wouldn't matter if .0001% of the US population decided to do the things you're talking about, sorry.

if your not a registered republican you are to blame. that is the bottom line. If Ron Paul is not nominated in 2012 in the gop. you are to blame that is the bottom line .don't try to change the subject! if your not registered republican and become active in the gop. you are nothing but a troll in my eyes!! that is the bottom line. you are the problem not the neo-cons. register republican or your the problem!

[RedStripe]

if your not a registered republican you are to blame. that is the bottom line. If Ron Paul is not nominated in 2012 in the gop. you are to blame that is the botom line .don't try to change the subject!

Hey why don't you grow some balls and prove anything you are saying, rather than blabbering on like a drunk on the subject?

I mean, I know you are looking for someone to blame that you can point to and "convince" that you are right, but the statistics don't back up your arguments.

[heavenlyboy34]

1 Do not attend GOP meetings!!!
2 Do not join the GOP or register republican!!

I think that covers it!!!

so if you do not want Ron Paul running in 2012 stay in the LP/CP/TP and don't become a republican! that is the bottom line!!!

kill the ron paul revolution, don't attend gop meetings and refuse to register gop and you can forget Ron Paul 2012 and who is to blame ? YOURSELF

Whatever you're smoking to make you so naive and absurd, I want some of it! :D:)

[speciallyblend]

Whatever you're smoking to make you so naive and absurd, I want some of it! :D:)

if your not registered republican you really don't matter in the nomination of Ron Paul 2012, that is reality . you just choose to live in a pipedream and ignore the solution to making Ron paul 2012 happen. if your not registered republican your part of the problem not the solution. that is reality. any other response other then registering republican is nonsense and laughable! you cannot nominate Ron Paul unless your republican 1+1=2. no response needed thank you;)

[speciallyblend]

Whatever you're smoking to make you so naive and absurd, I want some of it! :D:)

niave and absurd 2 words that apply to you not me. if your not registered republican you cannot nominate Ron Paul 2012, pretty dam simple even i got this;) that is why i am registered republican. you must be dreaming of some 3rd party Ron Paul run not a gop nomination, nice dream i guess.

[Kregisen]

Calm down SB....people have almost 2 years before having to register republican to vote for Ron.

2 years.

[speciallyblend]

Hey why don't you grow some balls and prove anything you are saying, rather than blabbering on like a drunk on the subject?

I mean, I know you are looking for someone to blame that you can point to and "convince" that you are right, but the statistics don't back up your arguments.

dude i am at work, it is you that is insane, please i ask you tell me how your gona nominate Ron Paul in the gop and not be registered republican. i am looking forward to this answer! if your not a registered republican, your blowing smoke on a Ron paul 2012 run. i really want you to explain how you are going to nominate Ron Paul in the gop without being a delegate??

[thehunter]

speciallyblend has a good point to make here. There are certainly opportunities in the history of democracies to use third parties (like the LP) to advance policy, but there are also times when it is more strategically advantageous to work under established parties like the GOP. The most blaring example of the mistake that speciallyblend aludes to that I've witnessed is the Canadian pro-life movement which is very determined to amend Canadian abortion laws but feels that the best way to do this is to exclude itself from any major party/movement in Canada on the expectation that some day everyone will come around to their way of thinking...

[speciallyblend]

Calm down SB....people have almost 2 years before having to register republican to vote for Ron.

2 years.

if they are not registered republican, everything they say is BULLSHIT, that is the bottom line!

[RedStripe]

dude i am at work, it is you that is insane, please i ask you tell me how your gona nominate Ron Paul in the gop and not be registered republican. i am looking forward to this answer! if your not a registered republican, your blowing smoke on a Ron paul 2012 run. i really want you to explain how you are going to nominate Ron Paul in the gop without being a delegate??

How is ONE PERSON going to decide the fucking primaries? Jesus christ.

[speciallyblend]

i will calm down. when one of these so=called rpf members or ron paul supporters? explains to me how they plan to be a delegate of the gop to nominate Ron paul in 2012 and not be a republican?? defeats the purpose at the simplest level and most basic!!

[low preference guy]

How is ONE PERSON going to decide the fucking primaries? Jesus christ.

one person can encourage others to vote. that becomes many votes. but if you're not voting, they will ask you, why are you asking me to vote if you're not doing it yourself? you can lie to them and tell them that you're voting, but lying is against the 10 commandments.

[RedStripe]

i will calm down. when one of these so=called rpf members or ron paul supporters? explains to me how they plan to be a delegate of the gop to nominate Ron paul in 2012 and not be a republican?? defeats the purpose at the simplest level and most basic!!

Why aren't you out canvassing right now? YOU ARE THE REASON WE ARE GOING TO LOSE.

I am canvassing right now, as I use my iPhone to demolish your pathetic arguments.

[RedStripe]

one person can encourage others to vote. that becomes many votes. but if you're not voting, they will ask you, why are you asking me to vote if you're not doing it yourself? you can lie to them and tell them that you're voting, but lying is against the 10 commandments.

lol

oh no, not the ten commandments

[low preference guy]

lol

oh no, not the ten commandments

some of us like to do what's right, and lying is wrong, even without the ten commandments.

[speciallyblend]

How is ONE PERSON going to decide the fucking primaries? Jesus christ.

did you just go there??
easily 1+1+1+1+1+1=6 the amount of votes Kevin Cannell won by over the biggovgop good ole boy establishment primary, yeah one vote doesn't count!

[RedStripe]

some of us like to do what's right, and lying is wrong, even without the ten commandments.

really? name a single person you know who hasn't lied.

[speciallyblend]

red stripe and many other ron paul supporters who are not registered republican are the reason Ron Paul 2012 will not happen. I no longer blame the neo-cons. i blame all the ron paul supporters who are not republican!

[speciallyblend]

really? name a single person you know who hasn't lied.

your not registered republican, it doesn't matter what you do!!

[speciallyblend]

Why aren't you out canvassing right now? YOU ARE THE REASON WE ARE GOING TO LOSE.

I am canvassing right now, as I use my iPhone to demolish your pathetic arguments.

funny you said that i have been canvassing and i am working with colorado CFL and we are canvassing labor day weekend. i am at work now and i also talk to customers. let me know when you register republican until then everthing you say is BS!! until you register republican! What did Ron paul ask you to do??

i am also meeting with republicans to form a new coalition with a majorty voter block in our counties! i think i am doing plenty since you brought up canvassing!! i see you as the problem not registered republicans.

[heavenlyboy34]

red stripe and many other ron paul supporters who are not registered republican are the reason Ron Paul 2012 will not happen. I no longer blame the neo-cons. i blame all the ron paul supporters who are not republican!

Haven't you ever heard of being responsible for yourself? RP talks about it all the time. Get off your ass and find some republicans who care about your nonsensical rambling instead of being silly on the webbernets!

[heavenlyboy34]

funny you said that i have been canvassing and i am working with colorado CFL and we are canvassing labor day weekend. i am at work now and i also talk to customers. let me know when you register republican until then everthing you say is BS!! until you register republican! What did Ron paul ask you to do??

i am also meeting with republicans to form a new coalition with a majorty voter block in our counties! i think i am doing plenty since you brought up canvassing!!

"Democracy too, is a religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses."

H.L. Mencken

[speciallyblend]

Haven't you ever heard of being responsible for yourself? RP talks about it all the time. Get off your ass and find some republicans who care about your nonsensical rambling instead of being silly on the webbernets!

ok heavenlyboy. explain to me how your gonna be a delegate and vote for Ron Paul 2012 in the gop? i think that explains everything,anything else you have to say is simple BS sorry but that is the bottom line!

explain to me how your gonna be a delegate and nominate Ron Paul at the gop conventions state or national!

[Justinjj1]

I don't want anything to do with the Republican Party. I will vote for Ron Paul in the primaries because Texas is open, but I will not donate a cent or go out of my way one bit to support the GOP.

[speciallyblend]

As you can see i keep making the same point but no one replys with a logical answer or they just ignore!

I would like rpf members republican or non-republican to explain this to me.

How can a non-republican become a delegate at a republican convention state or national and help Ron Paul Win the Republican Nomination by voting at the convention in 2012????

i thought i knew the answer but it seems heavenlyboy and many rpf members seem to know of another way but they will not explain or tell me how to become a republican delegate if i am not a republican!

can anyone please explain this to me and rpf members and non-republicans??

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257972

[speciallyblend]

I don't want anything to do with the Republican Party. I will vote for Ron Paul in the primaries because Texas is open, but I will not donate a cent or go out of my way one bit to support the GOP.

i hear you but that is not how it happens in most states,so my rant does not apply to you;) but it would help if you went to gop meetings and made your presence known over and over and over and over:)

[libertybrewcity]

i will calm down. when one of these so=called rpf members or ron paul supporters? explains to me how they plan to be a delegate of the gop to nominate Ron paul in 2012 and not be a republican?? defeats the purpose at the simplest level and most basic!!

In some states you don't have to be registered with a party to vote the Republican primary or any primary.

[speciallyblend]

In some states you don't have to be registered with a party to vote the Republican primary or any primary.

i understand that but still showing up to gop meeting helps but they still cannot vote as a delegate at the convetion, unless they allow non-repuyblicans to vote at conventions as delegates!

!As you can see i keep making the same point but no one replys with a logical answer or they just ignore!

I would like rpf members republican or non-republican to explain this to me.

How can a non-republican become a delegate at a republican convention state or national and help Ron Paul Win the Republican Nomination by voting at the convention in 2012????

i thought i knew the answer but it seems heavenlyboy and many rpf members seem to know of another way but they will not explain or tell me how to become a republican delegate if i am not a republican!

can anyone please explain this to me and rpf members and non-republicans??

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257972

[libertybrewcity]

i understand that but still showing up to gop meeting helps but they still cannot vote as a delegate at the convetion, unless they allow non-repuyblicans to vote at conventions as delegates!

!As you can see i keep making the same point but no one replys with a logical answer or they just ignore!

I would like rpf members republican or non-republican to explain this to me.

How can a non-republican become a delegate at a republican convention state or national and help Ron Paul Win the Republican Nomination by voting at the convention in 2012????

i thought i knew the answer but it seems heavenlyboy and many rpf members seem to know of another way but they will not explain or tell me how to become a republican delegate if i am not a republican!

can anyone please explain this to me and rpf members and non-republicans??

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257972

I think you know the answer to that...

[speciallyblend]

I think you know the answer to that...

yes but i want these non-republicans to explain how they intend to vote for the nomination of Ron Paul as a republican delegate at the national convention if they are not republican? that is all my ranting wants to know but i know they cannot answer and they know they are full of BS!!!

[Justinjj1]

i hear you but that is not how it happens in most states,so my rant does not apply to you;) but it would help if you went to gop meetings and made your presence known over and over and over and over:)

I went to the meetings back when Debra Medina was running and I was elected as a precinct chair for the county convention, but I can not fathom going to any more GOP meetings. I can't stand being around those warmongering, racist, homophobic idiots and honestly I see little hope in trying to get them to come around to our side.

[newbitech]

How is ONE PERSON going to decide the fucking primaries? Jesus christ.

By becoming a fucking candidate? Rumpelstiltskin.

[RedStripe]

By becoming a fucking candidate? Rumpelstiltskin.

Sorry that you didn't notice that this thread was about RON PAUL in the PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES.

[RedStripe]

What did Ron paul ask you to do??

Ron Paul told me to support third parties. You know, I'm not a total retard so I actually comprehend what he says instead of running around the forums making asinine posts about how people should join the republican party.

[Spider-Man]

My state doesn't require me to register, so nyah.

Also, voter registration ≠ membership status

[Lord Xar]

Hey why don't you grow some balls and prove anything you are saying, rather than blabbering on like a drunk on the subject?

I mean, I know you are looking for someone to blame that you can point to and "convince" that you are right, but the statistics don't back up your arguments.

Listen. You are on a RON PAUL website. Perhaps you should stop with your recruitment for some time and start gearing up for an eventual 2012 run.

Also, saying that you don't want to participate because it won't make a difference, then why the fuck are you here all the time preaching your bullshit idealogy that you are "enlightened about"?

Practice what you preach dude.. you know, like the Testament song.

[Andrew-Austin]

Ron Paul told me to support third parties. You know, I'm not a total retard so I actually comprehend what he says instead of running around the forums making asinine posts about how people should join the republican party.

So you think Ron Paul would still say this (support third parties) if he decided to run for President? Obviously not, and this thread is about Ron Paul hypothetically running for President. So why are you bitching so much in this thread? Okay fine you don't want to join the Republican party, can't say I blame you I don't want to either. Still doesn't explain your douchey behavior. Why are you even here btw? We get it you are some weird hybrid mix of a communist and libertarian, fascinating, why don't you go on about that in your own thread instead of picking stupid little fights in random threads like this one. As far as I can tell all you do is pick fights and flame people, I could understand it if you tried to convert people to voluntary-socialism or whatever it is you subscribe to, but I can't even tell if you are trying to do that.

So I think its a good inference to say that you support society moving in a more voluntaristic direction by abolishing the involuntary aspects of government first, then as a sort of phase two promote the whole (voluntary) communism thing. So if that inference is correct, it would make sense of you to support someone like Ron Paul. So if you do in fact support Ron Paul, for President even, then why does it matter how he becomes President? Because he would run in the Republican party again like last time, and you seem to have a problem with that. Why don't you elaborate on what your issue with this is, actually post something constructive.

[RedStripe]

Listen. You are on a RON PAUL website. Perhaps you should stop with your recruitment for some time and start gearing up for an eventual 2012 run.

Also, saying that you don't want to participate because it won't make a difference, then why the fuck are you here all the time preaching your bullshit idealogy that you are "enlightened about"?

Practice what you preach dude.. you know, like the Testament song.

First of all, I've done a ton of work to promote Ron Paul. My county got one of the highest % of Ron Paul votes in my state because of the group I worked with for over a year.

I'm fucking ready for a 2012 run, and I never said I wasn't going to participate. I've said that I don't feel like registering as a republican, which has nothing to do with whether or not I can participate (smart people realize this). Anyone with half of a brain realizes you can still donate money, do cold-calls, go door-to-door, and help out in all kinds of ways regardless of party affiliations. Lets not forget that RON PAUL himself advocated that we we support third parties! That's what HE said we should do, and I'm gonna take his advice on the subject over any jackass on this forum.

Did you know that I showed up to about a dozen county GOP meetings while I wasn't even registered as a Republican? I mean, if you actually practiced what you preached all damn day you might realize they don't fucking check voter cards at the door. They were just thrilled that someone without a receding hairline and a giant beer belly was actually at their stupid meetings. I gave them ALL Ron Paul information and they loved me for it.

You guys need to just fucking mind your own business. Every moment you spend telling other people what to do you could be doing something yourself. I prefer to post about topics that interest me, and I feel free to do so because I don't spend my time on here telling other people that they will be responsible for the end of the world if they don't register for a particular party.

[RedStripe]

So you think Ron Paul would still say this (support third parties) if he decided to run for President? Obviously not, and this thread is about Ron Paul hypothetically running for President. So why are you bitching so much in this thread? Okay fine you don't want to join the Republican party, can't say I blame you I don't want to either. Still doesn't explain your douchey behavior. Why are you even here btw? We get it you are some weird hybrid mix of a communist and libertarian, fascinating, why don't you go on about that in your own thread instead of picking stupid little fights in random threads like this one.

NEWS ALERT - It is possible to help a hypothetical Ron Paul presidential bid without being in the Republican Party! This news alert is only necessary for people who weren't here last time he ran for prez because anyone who was around back then understood that supporting Ron Paul was a trans-partisan effort.

I'm sorry that you're so offended by the fact that I'm calling this thread out for it's BS. But it's absolutely ridiculous to claim that there is only one way to support Ron Paul.

[Spider-Man]

First of all, I've done a ton of work to promote Ron Paul. My county got one of the highest % of Ron Paul votes in my state because of the group I worked with for over a year.

I'm fucking ready for a 2012 run, and I never said I wasn't going to participate. I've said that I don't feel like registering as a republican, which has nothing to do with whether or not I can participate (smart people realize this). Anyone with half of a brain realizes you can still donate money, do cold-calls, go door-to-door, and help out in all kinds of ways regardless of party affiliations. Lets not forget that RON PAUL himself advocated that we we support third parties! That's what HE said we should do, and I'm gonna take his advice on the subject over any jackass on this forum.

Did you know that I showed up to about a dozen county GOP meetings while I wasn't even registered as a Republican? I mean, if you actually practiced what you preached all damn day you might realize they don't fucking check voter cards at the door. They were just thrilled that someone without a receding hairline and a giant beer belly was actually at their stupid meetings. I gave them ALL Ron Paul information and they loved me for it.

You guys need to just fucking mind your own business. Every moment you spend telling other people what to do you could be doing something yourself. I prefer to post about topics that interest me, and I feel free to do so because I don't spend my time on here telling other people that they will be responsible for the end of the world if they don't register for a particular party.

I approve this message.

[newbitech]

Sorry that you didn't notice that this thread was about RON PAUL in the PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARIES.

Sorry you don't like a valid response to YOUR QUESTION.

[libertarian4321]

1 Do not attend GOP meetings!!!
2 Do not join the GOP or register republican!!

I think that covers it!!!

so if you do not want Ron Paul running in 2012 stay in the LP/CP/TP and don't become a republican! that is the bottom line!!!

kill the ron paul revolution, don't attend gop meetings and refuse to register gop and you can forget Ron Paul 2012 and who is to blame ? YOURSELF

SB, in order to win the nomination, Ron Paul will need tens of millions of votes.

He only needs 1191 delegates to win. Only about one RP supporter out of every 20,000 needs to become a delegate for him to win.

Therefore, not every RP supporter needs to be a delegate for him to win and your argument that people can't help RP win without being a delegate is completely fallacious.

As I've said in other similar threads, one does not (depending on state rules) need to "register Republican" in order to vote for RP in the primary (and certainly not to vote for him in the General).

So, we can campaign for Ron, finance Ron, and vote for Ron without registering Republican.

Hence, it is NOT necessary for all supporters to register Republican OR become delegates in order to help RP win the nomination.

I hope this clears things up for you...

[Andrew-Austin]

NEWS ALERT - It is possible to help a hypothetical Ron Paul presidential bid without being in the Republican Party! This news alert is only necessary for people who weren't here last time he ran for prez because anyone who was around back then understood that supporting Ron Paul was a trans-partisan effort.

I'm sorry that you're so offended by the fact that I'm calling this thread out for it's BS. But it's absolutely ridiculous to claim that there is only one way to support Ron Paul.

Okay on page five you finally state what your exact quarrel with this thread is, finally.

Do you really think SB believes one can only support Ron Paul if you join the GOP? That isn't the message I'm getting. Hes just being a bit over exuberant and quixotic about the primaries:



Whatever you're smoking to make you so naive and absurd, I want some of it!
if your not registered republican you really don't matter in the nomination of Ron Paul 2012, that is reality .

All he has been saying in this thread is that its critical to participate in the party during the primaries so one can actually help nominate RP. Big whoop.

No I'm not offended, its just annoying when people talk past one another.

[newbitech]

Okay on page five you finally state what your exact quarrel with this thread is, finally.

Do you really think SB believes one can only support Ron Paul if you join the GOP? That isn't the message I'm getting. Hes just being a bit over exuberant and quixotic about the primaries:



All he has been saying in this thread is that its critical to participate in the party during the primaries so one can actually help nominate RP. Big whoop.

No I'm not offended, its just annoying when people talk past one another.

and I will just add to that by saying that the message Ron Paul is putting out right now is that his decision to run is going to depend on the amount of support that is "out there".

Well, one way to measure this support is by participating with that party that Ron Paul participates with. For instance. SRLC, Ron lost by how many votes there? was it 1? hmmm and cpac coming up in 2011.

No you don't have to be a card carrying republican to go to those events, but if you want to show Ron some measurable results so he will decide to run in 2012, it may be a good idea to do more than just show up. You might want to put on a tux and ask a girl to dance. That would get his attention, ya know?

[RedStripe]

Do you really think SB believes one can only support Ron Paul if you join the GOP?



if your not registered republican you really don't matter in the nomination of Ron Paul 2012, that is reality .

Dude, you QUOTED him in your post saying just that ^.

It's called reading comprehension. That is EXACTLY what he said.

[RedStripe]

and I will just add to that by saying that the message Ron Paul is putting out right now is that his decision to run is going to depend on the amount of support that is "out there".

Well, one way to measure this support is by participating with that party that Ron Paul participates with. For instance. SRLC, Ron lost by how many votes there? was it 1? hmmm and cpac coming up in 2011.

No you don't have to be a card carrying republican to go to those events, but if you want to show Ron some measurable results so he will decide to run in 2012, it may be a good idea to do more than just show up. You might want to put on a tux and ask a girl to dance. That would get his attention, ya know?

At the end of this post you just trail off into a lame joke because you know that Ron Paul is not going to closely monitor the number of people registered as GOP to determine if he is going to run. If anything, he's more likely to run if he sees a 2% uptick in the number of LP or CP members - which would show that support for his IDEAS are on the rise. Being a member of the Republican party, by itself, means NOTHING.

Wow it's 2010 and I'm having to explain this on the Ron Paul Forums?

[RedStripe]

I hope this clears things up for you...

LOL, good luck.

[RedStripe]

Sorry you don't like a valid response to YOUR QUESTION.

So running for president is going to help Ron Paul win the Republican primaries? You're a genius!

[newbitech]

At the end of this post you just trail off into a lame joke because you know that Ron Paul is not going to closely monitor the number of people registered as GOP to determine if he is going to run. If anything, he's more likely to run if he sees a 2% uptick in the number of LP or CP members - which would show that support for his IDEAS are on the rise. Being a member of the Republican party, by itself, means NOTHING.

Wow it's 2010 and I'm having to explain this on the Ron Paul Forums?

I guess you never went to prom. It's ok neither did I. Why are you trying sooooo hard to miss the point?

So you don't think campaign for liberty is watching the republican roles? I mean, you don't actually participate in politics do you? of course campaign for liberty keeps voter registration and voter lists.

of course Ron Paul is going to be measuring the amount of support he has. What makes you think that a political organization whose founder is a sitting Republican Congressman is not going to use the vast amounts of data that the Republican Party collects to gauge support?

Anyways, I don't know exactly what the 2012 decision strategy is going to be, but its pretty clear that what the OP is suggesting is to get actively involved in the party politics. He is right. There is a foundation that has been built from 2008 of working within the republican party to spread the message of liberty and to support Ron Paul.

The OP believes that building on this foundation is essential to the decision of Ron running and ultimately to success of a Republican party primary run.

So what part of this do you disagree with? The part that says participating in the Republican party is not the path to victory? Well you might want to send a note to Ron Paul about that one. In the mean time, LP and CP need to get off their high horses and move over to the Republican party and make this happen. Or, wait for 2016 and HOPE that some CHANGE will have happened to give them a voice.

It is time to put the ALL parties back on the right course and that is requiring politicians to serve the people. The vehicle (the big bus) that Ron Paul happens to be driving is the Republican party.

Its the party with the big elephant, like they ride on in India, like Mahatma Gandhi, self-government and all that jazz..

The time is now, why are you so bothered that Ron Paul has chosen the Republican party to do this? You do realize the trend in this movement is to rise above party politics right? Well part of rising above party politics is understanding that it doesn't matter which party delivers us freedom loving constitution following candidates, as long as they WIN>!

Please don't hurt yourself trying to dodge this softball point. Or at least explain why it is so important to try and go against this point "vocally" and in such a condescending way.

[Golding]

I registered Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Did people refusing to register now not vote then?

[newbitech]

So running for president is going to help Ron Paul win the Republican primaries? You're a genius!

I answered your question. You can twist my answer all you want and try to pretend like you didn't ask a question that I answered. Still doesn't change the fact that I am a genius. :cool:

[newbitech]

I registered Republican to vote for Ron Paul in the primaries. Did people refusing to register now not vote then?

not sure, I convinced almost a dozen people to switch from Dem to Rep to make this vote as well.

I have a hard time believing that people who think politics is a waste of time hate Reps more than Dems do. I don't think anyone hates Reps as much as Dems do.

But this is just party politics. I am able to convince people to rise above that. this has been a major theme and trend that is being echo'ed across the political spectrum. Why someone who agrees with Ron Paul and believes that voting is a waste would refuse to hold their nose for this once, and hopefully second, chance in a lifetime to get a founding father type patriot into the highest office in the land is beyond me.

I don't think anyone here would admit not voting in the primaries as Rep for RP. If they did, I am sure there is an excellent reason.........

[Golding]

not sure, I convinced almost a dozen people to switch from Dem to Rep to make this vote as well.

I have a hard time believing that people who think politics is a waste of time hate Reps more than Dems do. I don't think anyone hates Reps as much as Dems do.

But this is just party politics. I am able to convince people to rise above that. this has been a major theme and trend that is being echo'ed across the political spectrum. Why someone who agrees with Ron Paul and believes that voting is a waste would refuse to hold their nose for this once, and hopefully second, chance in a lifetime to get a founding father type patriot into the highest office in the land is beyond me.

I don't think anyone here would admit not voting in the primaries as Rep for RP. If they did, I am sure there is an excellent reason.........I'm not so sure about that. Republican is still a dirty word these days, even among many independents. Some people are waking up to Democrats' congruent BS, but not at a quick enough rate.

[newbitech]

I'm not so sure about that. Republican is still a dirty word these days, even among many independents. Some people are waking up to Democrats' congruent BS, but not at a quick enough rate.

oh no doubt its a dirty word. All parties are a dirty word tho, right? I mean this bi-polar politcal party system is one of the biggest reasons why American's are constantly asleep. That steady rocking back and forth drone of the media wishy washy BS crap.

I'm only saying that if a Dem can rise above the hatred, hold their nose just once in a rep primary, then someone who is anti-political ought to be able to do the same. Especially someone who exposes themselves to these forums and the broader liberty movement in general.

I just don't see what the big stink is in this thread about getting involved in the rep party. I can understand why some people will be offended, but to be offended by the OP suggestion is an admission IMO that they understand the OP. And even if someone chooses to stay offended at the suggestion, because its pretty much like the OP's opinion that it is the offended persons fault, well at least they could say something like hey look asshole, it doesn't matter what we do, RP isn't going to win. Then we could all just ignore that person when it comes to political participation.

But instead, we get these crazy party politics comments that shows that something else is going on, some other agenda. It kind of upsets me that this kind of struggle goes on. Like another poster said, its just people talking past people.

Personally, I know I have to talk directly to people, and this is what the OP has done in this thread. He is talking directly to people on this forum who just WON"T participate in the republican party even if it means FAILURE! Well good! those are the people I will be dealing with from here on out. And the sooner I can recognize who those sticks in the mud are, the sooner I can move on to making concrete with someone else.

[TheTyke]

He only needs 1191 delegates to win. Only about one RP supporter out of every 20,000 needs to become a delegate for him to win.

Math is way off... in Kentucky, county delegates are the ones who vote on national delegates, meaning that many hundreds of people are required to select good national delegates. In more populous states, it probably requires the work of tens of thousands. Have you actually been involved in the process, or are your state rules that different?

I had a friend who waved signs with us for months but "forgot" to register. We won our county convention... a handful of people would have won the district... and we were about 35% at the state convention. If all our friends who supported Ron had registered and taken those 3 afternoons to help, the entire Kentucky Party would be ours from the ground up and ready to support Ron and our candidates in 2012. But they thought they couldn't do anything, or didn't want to go to those icky meetings... Now we will have to start again in 2012 and pray apathy and ignorance doesn't sink Ron's efforts again.

The paths to power and to undoing the government stranglehold lie open to us. We have enough people, that if we actually use the right strategy, we are mathematically able to put anyone into office. All that is lacking is the will and common sense.

[invisible]

Math is way off... in Kentucky, county delegates are the ones who vote on national delegates, meaning that many hundreds of people are required to select good national delegates. In more populous states, it probably requires the work of tens of thousands. Have you actually been involved in the process, or are your state rules that different?

I had a friend who waved signs with us for months but "forgot" to register. We won our county convention... a handful of people would have won the district... and we were about 35% at the state convention. If all our friends who supported Ron had registered and taken those 3 afternoons to help, the entire Kentucky Party would be ours from the ground up and ready to support Ron and our candidates in 2012. But they thought they couldn't do anything, or didn't want to go to those icky meetings... Now we will have to start again in 2012 and pray apathy and ignorance doesn't sink Ron's efforts again.

The paths to power and to undoing the government stranglehold lie open to us. We have enough people, that if we actually use the right strategy, we are mathematically able to put anyone into office. All that is lacking is the will and common sense.


I think we have our best post of the year!

My precinct got 50% RP supporters into the county convention last time, the district convention was where we really got outnumbered by neocons and huckster's army.

Time to make sure the democrats I've turned over the last year and a half get their registration changed and start coming to the county Republican meetings.

[nayjevin]

The smaller government one believes in, the more incentive to guard positions of influence against those who would occupy it with greater tyranny.

??

[ronpaulhawaii]

...

You guys need to just fucking mind your own business...

Oh... the irony...

Tell me RS, did someone hold a gun to your head, force you to jump in here, and make this thread "your own business?"

And speaking of irony, seeing SB as the OP here is priceless :p:D


Math is way off... in Kentucky, county delegates are the ones who vote on national delegates, meaning that many hundreds of people are required to select good national delegates. In more populous states, it probably requires the work of tens of thousands. Have you actually been involved in the process, or are your state rules that different?

I had a friend who waved signs with us for months but "forgot" to register. We won our county convention... a handful of people would have won the district... and we were about 35% at the state convention. If all our friends who supported Ron had registered and taken those 3 afternoons to help, the entire Kentucky Party would be ours from the ground up and ready to support Ron and our candidates in 2012. But they thought they couldn't do anything, or didn't want to go to those icky meetings... Now we will have to start again in 2012 and pray apathy and ignorance doesn't sink Ron's efforts again.

The paths to power and to undoing the government stranglehold lie open to us. We have enough people, that if we actually use the right strategy, we are mathematically able to put anyone into office. All that is lacking is the will and common sense.


I think we have our best post of the year!

My precinct got 50% RP supporters into the county convention last time, the district convention was where we really got outnumbered by neocons and huckster's army.

Time to make sure the democrats I've turned over the last year and a half get their registration changed and start coming to the county Republican meetings.

Regardless of overall strategerizing (yes, I know...), we need to influence the GOP. It is the party most in flux and a HUGE voting bloc. An effective way to do that is simply going to the meetings. Yes, at first the meetings are filled to the brim with Kool-Aid drinkers. (I have a LOT of respect for the early volunteers who have stuck it out and are still winning friends and influencing people.) On the local level we are having a measure of success. Santa Fe County GOP is run by RP peeps now... St Louis City GOP has an RP majority... and these are just two cities I've spent enough time to really get to know... This has been quietly happening nationwide. These people are friggin heroes to me. They feel like most of us, abhorred with the "make a parking lot" mentality that rears its ugly head, but they bite their tongue and later find a way to plant a seed for non-intervention... Winning ground for liberty.

So, while I chuckle at the genesis of this thread, I do see that there is a measure of truth in SB's warning...


The smaller government one believes in, the more incentive to guard positions of influence against those who would occupy it with greater tyranny.

??

I wonder that "small" government is not the best term. Reassert local control, then we will be better able to talk about downsizing. Republicans believe in "local" government first...

[Icymudpuppy]

There are no Party registrations in my state.

[GunnyFreedom]

SB is right, and there is a LOT more involved than JUST the Presidential Primary. The conventions, for instance. The elections for party leadership take place in odd-numbered years. The existing and outnumbered Taft-Goldwaterites will very much appreciate our people getting involved in the conventions prior to 2011, I can assure you.

Also, if every Ron Pauler in the US were to go eyeball-deep into the GOP, to include local meetings and conventions, then by 2012 Romney would be the dark horse and Paul would be the shoo-in.

I can only imagine that some folks prefer the challenge of doing things the "next to impossible" way. I prefer following Ron Paul's advice on this subject, as, apparently, does SB. :)

[ninepointfive]

Calm down SB....people have almost 2 years before having to register republican to vote for Ron.

2 years.

no way. We need people in the party to start representing. We don't only need people to register as Republicans, but also start looking into becoming precinct comitteepeople and delegates to state.

[paulitics]

SB is right, and there is a LOT more involved than JUST the Presidential Primary. The conventions, for instance. The elections for party leadership take place in odd-numbered years. The existing and outnumbered Taft-Goldwaterites will very much appreciate our people getting involved in the conventions prior to 2011, I can assure you.

Also, if every Ron Pauler in the US were to go eyeball-deep into the GOP, to include local meetings and conventions, then by 2012 Romney would be the dark horse and Paul would be the shoo-in.

I can only imagine that some folks prefer the challenge of doing things the "next to impossible" way. I prefer following Ron Paul's advice on this subject, as, apparently, does SB. :)

I agree with this. SB is right, he's just more big picture than detail oriented, and enthusiastic which is a breath of fresh air for once.

Alot of people are missing the point. A very active group of people in the republican party can certainly affect change and in a big way.

It's not just about voting for the presidential primary. The MSM followers all go to vote in droves for who Hannity tells them, but they are not engaged in the political process ,which includes the stuff you are talking about. They are at a disadvantage when it comes to that.

We can take over at the local level if we believe we can do it, but we need to stop listening to the naysayers. This board has become lethargic wih negativity.

[paulitics]

no way. We need people in the party to start representing. We don't only need people to register as Republicans, but also start looking into becoming precinct comitteepeople and delegates to state.

True, and this needs to happen now...because the one lesson I thought everyone learned the last go around is that we waited to long to do these things. Now is the time.

[speciallyblend]

ronpaulhawaii ,gunny and many rpf members have got to be going wtf? kenny made this thread?? hehe wierd that people want to argue about nominating Ron Paul 2012 in the gop!

for members that knew me in the beginning of the ron paul revolution. They have to be saying ? has hell froze over? Kenny is demanding folks join the gop;) stop the presses! maybe the gop leadership should see this as the second godly miracle;)

[pacelli]

Approximately 62 million registered voters ensured that Obama won the 2008 election.

[libertybrewcity]

I don't think registering Republican is the most important thing. What really matters is getting involved. You can still be involved in your local C4L and Republican Group without being a registered Republican. Talking to people and spreading the word doesn't require a party.

[speciallyblend]

I don't think registering Republican is the most important thing. What really matters is getting involved. You can still be involved in your local C4L and Republican Group without being a registered Republican. Talking to people and spreading the word doesn't require a party.

that will not get a gop nomination for Ron Paul!! you must be a delegate and attend gop meetings as a republican or it will be a wasted effort really!!

anything short of being a delegate is just that short of the goal!! Ron Paul 2012 GOP Nomination

[speciallyblend]

honestly if folks do not register republican and become delegates. Then we might as well not even bother. Ron Paul will not win the gop nomination if your not a republican!!

[Mini-Me]

How to stop a Ron Paul 2012 win guaranteed:
Get supporters to loudly promote Ron Paul everywhere with rambling sentence fragments and run-on sentences, poor punctuation and capitalization, etc. Ensure everyone else believes we are barely literate. ;)

[FSP-Rebel]

I agree with you SB but no need to rag on people who decide for themselves what to do. Just like you can't force everyone to donate, canvass or phone bank. I feel your enthusiasm but you can't herd all cats, just sayin.

[heavenlyboy34]

how to stop a ron paul 2012 win guaranteed:
Get supporters to loudly promote ron paul everywhere with rambling sentence fragments and run-on sentences, poor punctuation and capitalization, etc. Ensure everyone else believes we are barely literate. ;)

lolz!! ;):d

[speciallyblend]

How to stop a Ron Paul 2012 win guaranteed:
Get everyone to loudly promote Ron Paul everywhere with rambling sentence fragments and run-on sentences, poor punctuation and capitalization, etc. Ensure everyone believes we are barely literate. ;)

it is not a term paper . it is a post. if you want to fix it go ahead. i am at work

you still avoided the real issue here, are you registered republican and attending your meeting and becoming a delegate if not, your the problem not my run on sentences or anything else i do;) you have the freedom to ignore me and not read my run on sentences! never said i was good at writing anyway so FO!

[speciallyblend]

lolz!! ;):d

FO

[Mini-Me]

it is not a term paper . it is a post. if you want to fix it go ahead. i am at work

you still avoided the real issue here, are you registered republican and attending your meeting and becoming a delegate if not, your the problem not my run on sentences or anything else i do;) you have the freedom to ignore me and not read my run on sentences! never said i was good at writing anyway so FO!

Did you mean something like this?

It is not a term paper. It is a post. If you want to fix it, go ahead, but I am at work.

You still avoided the real issue here. Are you registered Republican and attending your meetings and becoming a delegate? If not, you're the problem, not my run-on sentences or anything else I do. ;) You have the freedom to ignore me and not read my run-on sentences! I never said I was good at writing anyway, so FO!

All snarkiness aside, you do have a point. You are in fact in a better position to criticize me than vice versa: I don't have my own shit together yet, so I have not gotten involved in real life yet. Still, your tone in this thread is too condescending (which is why I went with the literacy critique ;)) for your point to go over well with its intended audience.

[speciallyblend]

no i meant this

it is not a term paper . it is a post. if you want to fix it go ahead. i am at work

you still avoided the real issue here, are you registered republican and attending your meeting and becoming a delegate if not, your the problem not my run on sentences or anything else i do;) you have the freedom to ignore me and not read my run on sentences! never said i was good at writing anyway so FO!

[Mini-Me]

no i meant this

it is not a term paper . it is a post. if you want to fix it go ahead. i am at work

you still avoided the real issue here, are you registered republican and attending your meeting and becoming a delegate if not, your the problem not my run on sentences or anything else i do;) you have the freedom to ignore me and not read my run on sentences! never said i was good at writing anyway so FO!

Hey, you did say, "if you want to fix it go ahead." ;) I'll stop derailing your thread, though.

I just want to reiterate, though: You have a good point, but your delivery is too abrasive to win the people over that really ought to listen.

[speciallyblend]

Hey, you did say, "if you want to fix it go ahead." ;) I'll stop derailing your thread, though.

I just want to reiterate, though: You have a good point, but your delivery is too abrasive to win the people over that really ought to listen.

well when you lose your house and cars and everthing. they should be lucky i am not tar and feathering them for not registering republican to help Ron Paul Win the gop nomination! 1+1=2 if folks cannot get that. they would get more then abrasive comments from me. I f'in over the bs. either register republican and help Ron Paul win the gop nomination or don't bother. it is that simple really. If folks cannot get 1+1=2 . they they deserve obama and the gop establishment! sorry for my english skills never said they were good!

[Mini-Me]

well when you lose your house and cars and everthing. they should be lucky i am not tar and feathering them for not registering republican to help Ron Paul Win the gop nomination! 1+1=2 if folks cannot get that. they would get more then abrasive comments from me. I f'in over the bs. either register republican and help Ron Paul win the gop nomination or don't bother. it is that simple really. If folks cannot get 1+1=2 . they they deserve obama and the gop establishment! sorry for my english skills never said they were good!

Ask yourself: What exactly do you want to accomplish with these posts? If you just want to lash out at people, I guess that's your prerogative. Instead, if you want others to start seeing things your way, maybe you should keep what I said in mind.

[speciallyblend]

Ask yourself: What exactly do you want to accomplish with these posts? If you just want to lash out at people, I guess that's your prerogative. Instead, if you want others to start seeing things your way, maybe you should keep what I said in mind.

well if they are not registered republican. they will not get it! that is the point and if they cannot get it. they deserve obama and the gop establishment and they can blame themselves! simple if they do not want Ron Paul 2012 to run, don't register republican , end of story! back to focusing on colorado and my county. the rest can enjoy! I am better of talking to neo-cons in my county. Instead of wasting my time on ron paul supporters on rpf that are not registered republicans!! if they cannot get it after 4-6 yrs. they don't deserve Ron Paul 2012.

I have put 110% into this movement on many levels over the yrs! i think my threads tell me to stop wasting my time on ron paul supporters on rpf that are not registered republicans! they are a waste of time and resources!!

If i can join the gop there is no reason anyone else cannot join!!

I want folks to see It Ron Paul's Way not my way!

[Stary Hickory]

I'll register GOP for the first time in my life if it will help. Ron Paul will get my vote in the primaries.

[speciallyblend]

I'll register GOP for the first time in my life if it will help. Ron Paul will get my vote in the primaries.

that is all i am asking:)

for newbies around here. the fact i am asking folks to join the gop should be a shocker! just ask all the old timers here. They will tell how i felt about the gop.

The Key to Ron Paul 2012 Nomination is not moneybombs or sign waving. it is as simple as attending gop meetings. Getting your friends to join and so on!! Delegates are the key and We hold that key;) If folks do not register republican and attend their local gop meetings and start standing up!


I was the sameway last election but i swallowed alot of issues and joined the gop(kicking and screaming) but in less then one election cycle in our county. we went from a minority to a majority in our county!

The Collins has it right , Ron Paul 2012 . We have to make it happen and it can only happen if we register republican and become delegates!

I want Ron Paul 2012, does anyone else? then become a DELEGATE FOLKS, it is really that simple!!

[SociallyRenderedImage]

Based on Ron Paul's behavior and the behavior of his supposed followers (I mean anarchists) I don't think he wants to win, and his "fans" don't want him to win.

The surest way to make him fail again is to continue down the path of misrepresenting him and projecting bizarre anachronistic political philosophies upon him.

A good start is to understand that Ron Paul is a rule of law candidate. He does not support illegal immigration. He has spoken out against illegal immigration. He supports the position that people cannot be given special privileges simply because they are of a certain ethnicity. Ron Paul does not support the premise that just because you are Hispanic and have entered the country illegally you can petition the government to change the laws in your favor.

Just a start ;), but I seriously doubt it will make its way past the mania and narcissism of the extremists who have hijacked his message.

I mean really, if you want evangelism just watch Glenn Beck!

[Stary Hickory]

Based on Ron Paul's behavior and the behavior of his supposed followers (I mean anarchists) I don't think he wants to win, and his "fans" don't want him to win.

The surest way to make him fail again is to continue down the path of misrepresenting him and projecting bizarre anachronistic political philosophies upon him.

A good start is to understand that Ron Paul is a rule of law candidate. He does not support illegal immigration. He has spoken out against illegal immigration. He supports the position that people cannot be given special privileges simply because they are of a certain ethnicity. Ron Paul does not support the premise that just because you are Hispanic and have entered the country illegally you can petition the government to change the laws in your favor.

Just a start ;), but I seriously doubt it will make its way past the mania and narcissism of the extremists who have hijacked his message.

I mean really, if you want evangelism just watch Glenn Beck!

Not everyone here believes in Anarchism in fact I think most don't. I got nothing against Anarchists as long as they do not burden me financially or endager my life they are cool. I am for open borders when mankind no longer is a creature capable of open aggression and theft. May that day come soon...otherwise I am against illegal immigration of any sort Mexican, Canadian, English...or what have you...although I do have a weakness for blond girls fromt he Czech Republic.

[speciallyblend]

Not everyone here believes in Anarchism in fact I think most don't. I got nothing against Anarchists as long as they do not burden me financially or endager my life they are cool. I am for open borders when mankind no longer is a creature capable of open aggression and theft. May that day come soon...otherwise I am against illegal immigration of any sort Mexican, Canadian, English...or what have you...although I do have a weakness for blond girls fromt he Czech Republic.

married, no comment on czech woman:) any single american males looking to marry? we need more ron paul republican delegates;) lots of future female ron paul supporters in the co mtns working at the ski resorts;) hint hint;)

[Koz]

SB is right on. Ron Paul got me to return to the Republican Party. I had left it years ago and registered Libertarian.

I saw the writing on the wall months ago. I'm also trying to become a precinct captain, it's like infiltrating a private club here. I am surrounded by neocons as well, I live in Boehner's district for cripes sake. But if I can get on the committee I know I can sway some votes and make a little bit of a difference.

And for everyone bellyaching about being left to your own devices and doing what you are going to do, shut the hell up. SB is right to kick everyone in the ass. Some people including myself need a kick in the ass every once in a while.

Put up or shut up, promoting Ron Paul is nice, but are you prepared to walk into the lions den and slay the beast? If not then shut the hell up and keep handing out slim jims. That's better than nothing but will not move the ball forward as much as getting really active within the GOP. Keep at it SB.

[Aratus]

i keep on mulling over a GOP run at Kerry's or Brown's senate seat
and i have only been a GOP person for a short while. i'm going to
vote in september's GOP primary here and also the fall election.

[libertarian4321]

Math is way off... in Kentucky, county delegates are the ones who vote on national delegates, meaning that many hundreds of people are required to select good national delegates. In more populous states, it probably requires the work of tens of thousands. Have you actually been involved in the process, or are your state rules that different?


The systems varies by state, but unless you are trying to hijack the nomination process (nominate someone who didn't win the primary election) all you need is 1191 bodies to vote for RP at the national.

Many of those bodies won't even have to be RP supporters. Do you really think all those delegates who voted for McCain in Minneapolis were McCain supporters? Many of the party hacks just want to go to the convention, so they volunteer to support the primary winner, even if he wasn't the guy they voted for.

I have been a delegate. I know they go through the process of electing delegates locally to go to national, but the fact is, whoever wins the state ELECTION is going to get the states delegates unless some of them go rogue.

So if RP gets 20,000,000 primary votes, he's going to win the nomination. He doesn't need 20,000,000 (or even 200,000) supporters to become delegates for that to happen.

Anyway you slice it, if he wins the primary elections, only a TINY FRACTION of his supporters will have to be delegates even at the local/precinct level.

Remember, the conventions are nothing more than theater at this point. They haven't mattered in the nomination process for many decades.

Hence the argument that "we all need to register Republican and become delegates" is basically bull shit.

Win the primaries and you win the nomination- that's the bottom line.

[TheTyke]

Remember, the conventions are nothing more than theater at this point. They haven't mattered in the nomination process for many decades.

Hence the argument that "we all need to register Republican and become delegates" is basically bull shit.

Win the primaries and you win the nomination- that's the bottom line.

This part isn't correct, though I agree winning the primaries is vital.

Conventions choose County, District and State Chairmen and in turn, Executive Committees. Do you have any idea how hard it is for liberty candidates to get exposure if neocons control the party and shut them out of events, or can sabotage Ron to their contact lists? Or who gets in the debates? Or how much real liberty folks can influence things?

Additionally, Ron winning early delegates in Wyoming, or groups of unbound delegates elsewhere, will provide a huge boost to his image as a winning candidate - when combined with winning straw polls and other things, this could have a huge impact on actually winning the primary.

Furthermore, in Utah, delegates denied a SITTING U.S. SENATOR his spot on the ballot because he voted for the 2008 Bush Bailout. A Ron Paul endorsed candidate, Mike Lee, is now the GOP nominee.

Different states have different party rules, some where the delegates are completely unbound. And the delegates set the rules. And if you have 66%, you can change practically anything... and we didn't have nearly enough in 2008. We need a ton more this time around, and that means finding everyone possible to volunteer and help Ron defend liberty. You're not taking all this into consideration when you imply it doesn't matter or that it only takes 1,191. If people love liberty, we need as many as we can get!

[Fozz]

if your not a registered republican you are to blame. that is the bottom line. If Ron Paul is not nominated in 2012 in the gop. you are to blame that is the bottom line .don't try to change the subject! if your not registered republican and become active in the gop. you are nothing but a troll in my eyes!! that is the bottom line. you are the problem not the neo-cons. register republican or your the problem!
I'll register Republican if Ron Paul decides to run for POTUS.

Otherwise I do not want to associate with such a disgusting political party.

[speciallyblend]

I'll register Republican if Ron Paul decides to run for POTUS.

Otherwise I do not want to associate with such a disgusting political party.

like i did? maybe i need to start supporting Gary Johnson? since it seems Ron Paul supporters do not understand how to nominate Ron Paul in the gop! waiting does no good! you need to get in now.

like i said maybe i need to support Gary Johnson . I surely do not need to waste my time on Ron Paul if his own supporters cannot listen to Ron Paul and his advice!

[RPgrassrootsactivist]

There isn't time to wait and see what Ron will do. People need to register as Republicans now and work to take control of their county GOP. If Ron does run, great. If he doesn't, you still will have made a big impact in throwing out the neocons.

It's better to be prepared and not have needed to be, than to try and get prepared after you're already running late.

[speciallyblend]

beckin, if you haven't registered republican and become a delegate ! Then your doing a great job at ignoring Ron Paul and killing any chance of Ron Paul 2012, just a reminder!! get involved like Ron paul asked you to!

[pacelli]

like i did? maybe i need to start supporting Gary Johnson? since it seems Ron Paul supporters do not understand how to nominate Ron Paul in the gop! waiting does no good! you need to get in now.

like i said maybe i need to support Gary Johnson . I surely do not need to waste my time on Ron Paul if his own supporters cannot listen to Ron Paul and his advice!

Good point. Ron Paul delegates in Nevada ended up voting for... McCain.

[ItsTime]

Registered Replication and office holder. If you are not doing your thing locally we may have no chance.

[pcosmar]

OPEN PRIMARY STATE

I am an Independent. The GOP locally is,,,:( ,,well I tried last time.
Not banging my head on that wall again.

He will have a LOT of grassroots support in this area again.

[ninepointfive]

Hey speciallyblend: I think you've definitely struck a chord here. It's interesting to me that the forum which has the most support for Ron, has the least amount of people who are willing and able to stand up for him when it counts.

No wonder people get irritated with the libertarian types.
I'd say you are doing a good job here, but it's obvious we need to reach out to others who haven't necessarily come aboard. You know, the people who would actually be open and enthusiastic to register R and become a delegate/committeperson to vote for Ron at the state assemblies where it will really count for something.

[pcosmar]

I was here last time.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_X5ydAghO8zQ/RvWR9ShlOdI/AAAAAAAAAFI/uOmmBX14YFs/s1600/IM000343.JPG
I watched Fox news cameras and a reporter at the speech that NEVER aired.
I dealt with outright antagonism and hostility from the local GOP. Remember Saul Anuzis?
I attended meetings.

I have also supported Linda Goldthorpe. I have watched the same again.
I wish she had run as an Independent.
I will support Ron when he announces his run, but expect little from the neo-cons that run this dog and pony show.

[sailingaway]

Calm down SB....people have almost 2 years before having to register republican to vote for Ron.

2 years.

But not to work their way into positions where they might be chosen as delegates.

I've been thinking about this myself, so I'm one of those 'to blame' as the jumping elephant keeps yelling at me. (By the way, I still like the kitten in earphones best, but this is pretty good, for variety...) I found out about RP enough to vote for him over the others in the CA primary, but the campaign essentially ended in my state at that point (SuperDuper Tues) and I never got involved with the party (I've always been GOP)... there isn't anyone else in the party in Ca (except Dennis, now, way up in SF) whom I like. But I do have to get involved. They are calling ME now, since I made my way onto donor lists by donating to liberty candidates...

And to those pretending Ron has such low popularity, look at the Rasmussen and even the PPP polls of Ron against Obama head to head. I promise you the other candidates are looking at them which is why Jeb Bush and Barbour both are going to fundraisers for Rand. They want the Paul pull with INDEPENDENTS who don't vote in the primaries but are behind Ron when polled. They are NOT behind any of the other polled candidates. Not Obama, not Romney/Palin/Gingrich/Huckabee/whomever. And in case you also failed to notice, Independents have passed BOTH major parties in size of the group at this point.

[libertarian4321]

beckin, if you haven't registered republican and become a delegate ! Then your doing a great job at ignoring Ron Paul and killing any chance of Ron Paul 2012, just a reminder!! get involved like Ron paul asked you to!

So its either register Republican, or we are useless?

So you'd rather my wife and I, both Libertarians, not get involved if we aren't willing to register Republican?

Hmm. Okay, I guess we can support the Libertarian candidate. I guess you don't need people like us.

I guess you don't think the $4,600 we'd donate to the primary campaign (and another $4,600 should he win the primary) is worth anything?

I guess you don't think the computers and equipment we donated to the local RP campaign office was worth anything?

I guess the countless hours we spent waving signs, handing out slim jims, attending rallies, convincing friends and fellow Libertarians to support Ron, etc weren't worth anything?

I guess our votes for RP didn't matter?

Message received. I'm sure the Libertarian Party will appreciate our help.

[speciallyblend]

So its either register Republican, or we are useless?

So you'd rather my wife and I, both Libertarians, not get involved if we aren't willing to register Republican?

Hmm. Okay, I guess we can support the Libertarian candidate. I guess you don't need people like us.

I guess you don't think the $4,600 we'd donate to the primary campaign (and another $4,600 should he win the primary) is worth anything?

I guess you don't think the computers and equipment we donated to the local RP campaign office was worth anything?

I guess the countless hours we spent waving signs, handing out slim jims, attending rallies, convincing friends and fellow Libertarians to support Ron, etc weren't worth anything?

Message received. I'm sure the Libertarian Party will appreciate our help.

i am sure they will! if your not going to register republican and do what Ron Paul asked us all to do. Then yeah i guess the lp and gop will be useless! even if the gop crumbled tomorrow. the lp is not going to fill the void! if your not willing to become a delegate and get involved in the gop . then you might as well burn your money or send it to the lp,either way your wasting your time and money if your not willing to join the gop and become a delegate. In fact your wasting my time and money if your not willing to become a delegate! if the lp/cp/tp and all the Ron Paul supporters had become delegates and become registered republicans. We might not be where we are today!
I no longer blame the gop establishment or neo-cons. The blame in 2008 was Ron Paul supporters who are unwilling to do the simplest thing that Ron Paul asked them to do! The blame in 2012 will be Ron Paul supporters who fail to understand the concept of how to win Ron Paul the gop nomination!!

you can help the lp all you want. That still will not nominate Ron Paul!!

[speciallyblend]

So its either register Republican, or we are useless?

So you'd rather my wife and I, both Libertarians, not get involved if we aren't willing to register Republican?

Hmm. Okay, I guess we can support the Libertarian candidate. I guess you don't need people like us.

I guess you don't think the $4,600 we'd donate to the primary campaign (and another $4,600 should he win the primary) is worth anything?

I guess you don't think the computers and equipment we donated to the local RP campaign office was worth anything?

I guess the countless hours we spent waving signs, handing out slim jims, attending rallies, convincing friends and fellow Libertarians to support Ron, etc weren't worth anything?

Message received. I'm sure the Libertarian Party will appreciate our help.

to answer your ???? yes of all the things i have done for the ron paul revolution. the only thing that counted at a colorado gop convention was me becoming a registered republican and a delegate for Ron Paul, everything else was a waste of time!! unless it encouraged someone to be a delegate and register republican!

[libertarian4321]

to answer your ???? yes of all the things i have done for the ron paul revolution. the only thing that counted at a colorado gop convention was me becoming a registered republican and a delegate for Ron Paul, everything else was a waste of time!! unless it encouraged someone to be a delegate and register republican!

Actually, by becoming a delegate, you did nothing to help (nor did I when I became a delegate even though I never registered Republican)- Ron Paul lost the primary election, and therefore the nomination.

In any event, I'm glad you just saved us a minimum of $4,600. I'll probably spend it on an Alienware gaming rig and maybe a cruise.

I'm sure you'll come up with enough money to make up for the loss of donations to the RP campaign even if it means taking on an extra job?

[sailingaway]

Actually, by becoming a delegate, you did nothing to help (nor did I when I became a delegate even though I never registered Republican)- Ron Paul lost the primary election, and therefore the nomination.

In any event, I'm glad you just saved us a minimum of $4,600. I'll probably spend it on an Alienware gaming rig and maybe a cruise.

I'm sure you'll come up with enough money to make up for the loss of donations to the RP campaign even if it means taking on an extra job?

Um, the rest of us appreciate the money and time to Ron Paul.

I will say, though, he might NOT have lost if those supporting him had registered GOP. I didn't used to think that until I saw how MANY independents support him. Now I wish they weren't independents.

But sure, what you did counts. It is just that a lot of the GOP are 'spoken for' with candidates. We do really need a way to get the independent voters who support Ron to register so they can vote in the primaries (assuming they are in closed primary states, as I am.) I understand your reluctance, Ron is all that kept me in the GOP since the bailouts....

But for my point of view, look at the independent break down of this Rasmussen poll: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

The total vote of one point less than Obama at that time does no good if those independents aren't in the GOP primary, because the other GOP candidates have stronger GOP support than Ron does, so he never makes it out.

Remembering that PPP is a Dem pollster and assumes for its polls that more Dems will turn out in 2010 than did in 2008 in its polls, look at the similar independent breakdown for the PPP poll (coming in a sec)

[speciallyblend]

Actually, by becoming a delegate, you did nothing to help (nor did I when I became a delegate even though I never registered Republican)- Ron Paul lost the primary election, and therefore the nomination.

In any event, I'm glad you just saved us a minimum of $4,600. I'll probably spend it on an Alienware gaming rig and maybe a cruise.

I'm sure you'll come up with enough money to make up for the loss of donations to the RP campaign even if it means taking on an extra job?

no, thank you. i am going to be tighter with my money instead of wasting it like i did in 2006-2008. I really want to thank you! I will continue to fight for the gop nomination but i am not just sending my money off to a hopeless 2012 campaign if folks cannot do what was asked of them by Ron Paul himself. Don't thank me thank Ron Paul!!

I won't need a second job . A 2012 run is highly unlikely if ron paul supporters cannot do what is asked of them by Ron Paul!!!

[pcosmar]

Get all the states to change to Open Primary and Open Ticket.
End this stranglehold that both parties have on this country.

[sailingaway]

Here's the PPP Poll (no one beats Obama from PPP's point of view, but they are skewed)

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/06/obama-up-in-2012-contests.html

but this part is interesting, and very similar to Rasmussen's numbers re: independents:

"One thing that's very interesting about these numbers is that Ron Paul is the most popular out of the whole group with independents. They see him favorably by a 35/25 margin. The only other White House hopeful on positive ground with them is Romney at a +2 spread and they're very negative on the rest: -5 for Huckabee, -16 for Gingrich and Palin, and -17 for Obama. All five of the possible GOP contenders lead Obama with independents, but Paul does so by the widest margin at 46-28."

Soooooo if those independents would REGISTER GOP, Ron would win the primary, I'm thinking.

Which isn't to say you have to, and of course your money and time is needed as well. It is just to say he is more likely to lose if you don't register GOP.

[FSP-Rebel]

I definitely urge people to become delegates as it will help immensely next time around, but also having heavy donors is important as well. I willing to bet that everyone on this forum and other similar places want to help RP in any way that feels right to them. Getting involved in the party apparatus is a daunting task but that shouldn't be a make it or break it strategy.

Ron has asked us all to get involved just like he's asked us to give money to Rand. I'm sure many people are starting to see the merit to becoming a delegate but those who don't shouldn't feel backed into a corner. Again, we should have fun in the spreading of liberty just like Ron said but expecting someone to do something that is a severe drag to them shouldn't be forced down their throat.

All of our talents combined should be enough to send our message to DC. Mind you, we don't have a rookie ragtag army like we had last time. Not to mention, we have just about a year to get the our newer people into delegate and party positions. It's too early to get this bent outta shape.

Oh and pcosmar, I was there in Mackinac too and I know just what you're talking about.