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someperson
08-20-2010, 05:15 PM
Good stuff here; could have used some more syntactic editing in places, though ;)

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100820005843&newsLang=en

MRoCkEd
08-20-2010, 05:20 PM
Wow!

Go Ron!

FrankRep
08-20-2010, 05:24 PM
Ground Zero Mosque Imam is Globalist Stooge; Council on Foreign Relations Member
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257849

The Ground Zero Mosque is just Manufactured Controversy, a distraction from the Real issues.

tropicangela
08-20-2010, 05:39 PM
Sunshine patriots. Right on.

someperson
08-20-2010, 05:47 PM
You know... I'm finding more and more grammatical errors in the statement every time I pass over it. Who on earth reviewed the text before publishing it worldwide?

Edit:

Contacts
Campaign for Liberty
Media Relations, 202-246-6363

Oh. Figures lol. I wonder if it's possible for them to "recall" it, fix it, and republish it. This is an important statement, and one that shouldn't be littered with minor errors that draw attention away from the message. They even let through the misspelled, "Islamaphobia," which means that they neglected to perform even the most basic spell-check.

KramerDSP
08-20-2010, 05:57 PM
Wow!

Go Ron!

Excuse my french, but Ron Paul is FUCKING AWESOME!

I don't know about you guys, but when I read that, I see massive fire in his belly. I always thought that the angriest I ever saw him at was either 1988 on the Morton Downey, Jr. show or "No!!! I take my marching orders from the Constitution!". That was until I saw him here in the excellent "Instruments of Tyranny" video on YouTube. Check out 8:28 to 8:45, immediately followed by Goldwater's most famous quote.

YouTube - Ron Paul 2012: Instruments of Tyranny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlmouMA5VTs#t=08m28s)


"The fact that so much attention has been given the mosque debate, raises the question of just why and driven by whom?

“In my opinion it has come from the neo-conservatives who demand continual war in the Middle East and Central Asia and are compelled to constantly justify it.

“They never miss a chance to use hatred toward Muslims to rally support for the ill conceived preventative wars. A select quote from soldiers from in Afghanistan and Iraq expressing concern over the mosque is pure propaganda and an affront to their bravery and sacrifice. - Ron Paul

Ron Paul is ABSOLUTELY calling the neo-conservatives out, and doing it brazenly. I feel like the language here is so strong, he's basically saying "Look, GOP, I will NOT put up with this crap anymore, and if you try your shenanigans, I just may upset the apple cart, consequences be damned!".

If the Independents already favored him 46% to Obama's 28%, I can't wait to see the new numbers come out.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
08-20-2010, 06:00 PM
Awesomeness.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
08-20-2010, 06:01 PM
I love this one:


“It is repeatedly said that 64% of the people, after listening to the political demagogues, don’t want the mosque to be built. What would we do if 75% of the people insist that no more Catholic churches be built in New York City? The point being is that majorities can become oppressors of minority rights as well as individual dictators. Statistics of support is irrelevant when it comes to the purpose of government in a free society—protecting liberty.

zing!!

libertarian4321
08-20-2010, 06:02 PM
Yup, this whole "mosque" issue is a ridiculous side show.

Mike4Freedom
08-20-2010, 06:37 PM
Ground Zero Mosque Imam is Globalist Stooge; Council on Foreign Relations Member
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257849

The Ground Zero Mosque is just Manufactured Controversy, a distraction from the Real issues.

Definately. They knew about the plans for this mosque for well over a year. They just decided to start bringing it up now.

They just kept it on the backburner to use at a good time.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
08-20-2010, 09:22 PM
I posted this article in the political section of a hip hop forum I frequent (very left leaning) and this is the some of the responses it got:


Ron Paul is that nigga.


Ron Paul hit the nail on the head.


lol

LibertyMage
08-20-2010, 10:11 PM
Ron never ceases to amaze with his clarity and integrity. Go Ron!

Fozz
08-20-2010, 10:24 PM
What an excellent statement by Ron Paul.

Having said that, I am disappointed that Rand fully got himself immersed in this controversy. Yes, I know he is trying to win, but when he gets elected I sure hope he doesn't act like some anti-Obama partisan hack.

Reason
08-20-2010, 10:43 PM
win

KramerDSP
08-20-2010, 10:46 PM
I posted this article in the political section of a hip hop forum I frequent (very left leaning) and this is the some of the responses it got:






lol

Can you link to that thread? I'd like to read the responses.

TheBlackPeterSchiff
08-20-2010, 10:54 PM
Can you link to that thread? I'd like to read the responses.

http://community.allhiphop.com/showthread.php?60028-Ron-Paul-Left-and-the-Right-Demagogue-Mosque-Islam

Those were the only responses though.

Vessol
08-20-2010, 10:57 PM
Hehe I pasted this to some Neocon who added me to her mailing list. Let's see what she thinks.

StateofTrance
08-20-2010, 11:17 PM
That's why I like this guy. Go Ron !!!!

Kotin
08-20-2010, 11:22 PM
Hell yes Ron Paul!!!

Danke
08-20-2010, 11:26 PM
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Yieu
08-21-2010, 04:31 AM
As always, he's the lone voice of wisdom.

ibaghdadi
08-21-2010, 05:31 AM
Ron Paul once again defines what a leader is.

Reason
08-21-2010, 12:48 PM
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BlackTerrel
08-21-2010, 01:34 PM
Very well stated opinions as always by Dr. Paul.

In other news

One In Five Americans Believe Ron Paul Is A Muslim (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/pew-poll-18-percent-americans-president-obama-muslim/story?id=11437070)

speciallyblend
08-21-2010, 03:43 PM
Awesome Letter, if you look real close between the lines you can see Ron Paul 2012 clearly;)

Guitarzan
08-21-2010, 03:44 PM
Awesome Letter, if you look real close between the lines you can see Ron Paul 2012 clearly;)


I agree. :)

silentshout
08-21-2010, 04:21 PM
Go Ron!!

Vessol
08-21-2010, 04:35 PM
Hehe I pasted this to some Neocon who added me to her mailing list. Let's see what she thinks.

I got a response..

"Ron Paul said this? I always knew he was an anti-Semite who hated America, but this takes the cake."

It doesn't surprise me that much.

A few weeks ago she sent me some email about how Judge Napolitano is a anti-semite who hates the Constitution and wants to destroy it. She posted some article about the Judge calling for George W. Bush's arrest and she called Bush a hero for what he has done.

surf
08-21-2010, 04:38 PM
“The justification to ban the mosque is no more rational than banning a soccer field in the same place because all the suicide bombers loved to play soccer.

don't fuck with soccer. BTW, an Iran v US soccer match would be a swell idea if the USSF had any balls. and, if you didn't know, Iran beat the US in WC 1998 (as did everyone) and the revenge angle would be great to promote this match

Vessol
08-21-2010, 04:44 PM
YouTube - True News: Ground Zero Outrage against Muslims? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvXvSmwdOaw)

paulitics
08-21-2010, 04:45 PM
I got a response..

"Ron Paul said this? I always knew he was an anti-Semite who hated America, but this takes the cake."

She's an Islamophobe, who probably wants to bomb Iran yesterday.

Vessol
08-21-2010, 04:51 PM
She's an Islamophobe, who probably wants to bomb Iran yesterday.

I sent her a message in return. Short and simple.

And directing her ilk, she seems to be a Teo-o-Con

so I said

"Ron Paul is the only true conservative in Congress. He is the only one who follows the Constitution."

If she replies I'm going to ask if anyone she supports the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and then I'll bring up the fact that the only Constitutionally correct way to wage war is through Congress declaring war. Thus she supports unconstitutional wars.

Fuck I hate retarded republicans. Just as much as I hate democrats.

speciallyblend
08-21-2010, 04:56 PM
I got a response..

"Ron Paul said this? I always knew he was an anti-Semite who hated America, but this takes the cake."

It doesn't surprise me that much.

A few weeks ago she sent me some email about how Judge Napolitano is a anti-semite who hates the Constitution and wants to destroy it. She posted some article about the Judge calling for George W. Bush's arrest and she called Bush a hero for what he has done.

people like her will not get it until more biggov republicans lose in 2010,2011, 2012 and so on! one day she will wake up but until then . this lady is in denial. She needs to lay off her bush/afghan heroin!

Vessol
08-21-2010, 05:59 PM
Wow a response already.

"He has done that, but I don't really care for anti-Semites. I voted for him, but I didn't realize he would say something this wrenching when these bastards are out to take us over completely as they've already done to Europe."

My response

"So we have to stop the Muslims no matter what? Even if it means destroying the Constitution?

Last I checked, the right to Religious freedom was guaranteed to me in the Bill of Rights. So too was the right of property.

That's what this issue is. When you try using the government to steal someone's property or tell them what to do with it, what if it turns against you?

What if they use this justification to ban the building of Churches or Synagogues?

When you give the government more power, they abuse it. This has been seen time and time again.

This is what our Founding Fathers said

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."- Benjamin Franklin

You may disagree with it, and I too think it is a stupid idea, however they have the right to their property and to their freedom of expression. "

Vessol
08-21-2010, 06:30 PM
Her response

"Please don't refer to Islam as a religion...remember Tom Jefferson had to fight them too. Please before you think it's okay for them to walk all over us, read Oriana Fallaci's works and read THE GRAND JIHAD. Oriana had death threats on her the last 10 years of her life because she told the truth of what they did in Europe. I beg of you to educate yourself. It is not a religion, it is a takeover. I have read the Koran, it is not a religion of peace...their plan is conquest of all countries. "

I wrote this.

"So does that mean that those whom call themselves Muslims, should not be afforded their God-given rights? Even if it is a takeover, is it worth fighting if it destroys our Constitution? Wouldn't we be doing their job ourselves?

As for Europe. Europe has always has been and always will be as far as I can tell a Statist hellhole. That is why America was founded to begin with. The Muslims there would only replace one form of immoral Statism(Democratic Socialism) with another(Caliph-ism). Not much of a take over in my book, just a changing of names.

We make ourselves just as bad as the Islamic Fascists if we do what they expect us and want us to do. They want us to limit the rights of individuals. That is their purpose and we are doing just that under the pretense of fighting them.

Vessol
08-22-2010, 11:53 AM
Well the debate degenerated into me bringing up why Muslims might hate the U.S government and gave a long expose of many sources into our foreign policy of the past century.

I then told her that her precious Fox News, which she links all the time, number 2 largest share holder is a Muslim, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. I asked her why he would support Fox News if it was against his "Muslim agenda"

She just ignored it all, called me a 'College Liberal'. I refuted that I was a Classical Liberal, ie: a Libertarian and told her that she was a NeoConservative who hates the Constitution and the inherant rights of humans.

She then countered by saying that Muslims have no rights because they are not human to begin with.

I didn't even respond to that. You can't reason with someone who can somehow make the mental gymnastics to actually believe that a group of humans, are not actually human.

georgiaboy
08-23-2010, 05:30 PM
I was just wondering what Ron thought about this mosque thing, so I did a quick search here and voila! RPF's rocks.

I knew Ron would come out this way - exactly what I've been thinking, sideshow laced with fearmongering.

As far as the "Ron's an Anti-Semite, Muslims are going to take over the USA" people, lemme go find a brick wall to slam my head into.

silentshout
08-23-2010, 05:38 PM
Well the debate degenerated into me bringing up why Muslims might hate the U.S government and gave a long expose of many sources into our foreign policy of the past century.

I then told her that her precious Fox News, which she links all the time, number 2 largest share holder is a Muslim, the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia. I asked her why he would support Fox News if it was against his "Muslim agenda"

She just ignored it all, called me a 'College Liberal'. I refuted that I was a Classical Liberal, ie: a Libertarian and told her that she was a NeoConservative who hates the Constitution and the inherant rights of humans.

She then countered by saying that Muslims have no rights because they are not human to begin with.

I didn't even respond to that. You can't reason with someone who can somehow make the mental gymnastics to actually believe that a group of humans, are not actually human.

I commend you for having the patience to do this. This is something I couldn't do. :) And what is the deal with the whole "Muslims are not human" line. I've heard this from others and it just makes me want to scream.