Ground Zero Mosque Imam is Globalist Stooge; Council on Foreign Relations Member

[FrankRep]

Edit: The Ground Zero Mosque is just Manufactured Controversy, a distraction from the Real issues.


http://info-wars.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Imam_Feisal_Abdul_Rauf_1.jpg


MSNBC: Fact Check: Who is the New York Imam? (http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/08/18/4921522-fact-check-who-is-the-new-york-imam)


Former GOP Rep. Vin Weber -- on MSNBC -- said that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a "fine man, a voice of reason whom we should be listening to," who worked with Weber and former Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright on a task force five years ago for the Council on Foreign Relations. They worked on how to promote democracy in the Arab World. Weber brought with him the task force report, which has Feisal Abdul Rauf listed as one of the members.




Ground Zero Mosque Imam Is Globalist Stooge (http://www.infowars.com/ground-zero-mosque-imam-is-globalist-stooge/)


Infowars.com
Friday, Aug 20th, 2010


The Imam of the now infamous “ground zero mosque” is a member of the ultra elitist Council On Foreign Relations and receives financial backing from powerful globalist sources including the Rockefellers, the Carnegie Corporation and the Ford Foundation.

This information provides a compelling backdrop to the theory that the move to establish the mosque is a deliberate attempt to further stoke religious tensions and divert attention away from the real enemy of free humanity, the corporate globalist elite who continue to profit from global war and division.

The proposed mosque, to be known as Cordoba House is the project of the Cordoba Initiative (http://www.cordobainitiative.org/), an organisation founded by ‘Imam’ Feisal Abdul Rauf (pictured above), who, in addition to being a member of the World Economic Forum’s Council of 100, is an active member of the Council on Foreign Relations’ Religious Advisory Committee (http://www.cfr.org/about/outreach/religioninitiative/advisory_board.html).

The Cordoba Initiative’s website cites “Christian support for the Cordoba House” in the form of Christian publication, “Sojourners” (http://cordobainitiative.wordpress.com/2010/06/11/supporting-article-in-sojourners), which is owned by evangelical Christian writer and political activist Jim Wallis, also coincidentally a sitting member of the CFR’s Religious Advisory Committee.

The CFR, as regular readers know, is populated exclusively by major players with the biggest corporations, banks and defence contractors in the world – all of whom are making vast profits and securing more power from continued global conflict. The CFR also exerts far reaching influence over the U.S. government.

Tony Cartalucci at landdestroyer blog (http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2010/06/ground-zero-mosque-why-you-should.html) breaks down the fact that every single leading player in both the neocon infested Bush administration and the “change” gang under Barrack Obama is a CFR luminary. Cartalucci also provides further stunning research relating to Cordoba House and its CFR Imam, which breaks down as follows.

Feisal Abdul Rauf also heads up the American Society for Muslim Advancement (ASMA) which enjoys a partnership with the Cordoba Initiative (http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/ci-partners) and provided $100 million to secure the site close to ground zero for the mosque to be built.

That $100 million came directly from the back pockets of ASMA’s financial backers.

According to ASMA’s website (http://www.asmasociety.org/about/p_support.html) they include the Carnegie Corporation of New York, the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller Brothers, Rockefeller Philanthropy, and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund – essentially the tip of the pyramid of the international globalist elite.

This story is a perfect microcosm of the new world order agenda.

The mainstream media continues to push the mosque story hour after hour, day after day, from the perspective of both the left and the right, manufacturing a controversy that plays on a now indentured fear of Islam that has been cooked up over the last nine years via endless phony “muslim” terror plots and concocted “al qaeda” threats.

Real muslims are witnesses to a vicious backlash, stirred up and served from this corporate media cauldron, creating the impression they are under attack by non-muslims and forcing them to have to defend their religion, and the whole thing snowballs onwards.

The connections to 9/11 are clear, and also serve to enforce the mythical notion that 19 radical muslims controlled by some guys in a cave in Afghanistan were able to direct military precision attacks on America with devastating consequences.

Meanwhile behind all of this are the global elite, rubbing their hands in glee as a manufactured “clash of civilizations” unfolds and the whole of humanity lunges at each other’s throats.


SOURCE:
http://www.infowars.com/ground-zero-mosque-imam-is-globalist-stooge/

[FrankRep]

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The Shadows of Power: The Council on Foreign Relations and the American Decline (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0882791346/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=libert0f-20&linkCode=as2&camp=217145&creative=399349&creativeASIN=0882791346)
by James Perloff



Does America have a hidden oligarchy? Is U.S. foreign policy run by a closed shop? What is the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations)? It began in 1921 as a front organization for J.P. Morgan and Company. By World War II it had acquired unrivaled influence on American foreign policy. Hundreds of U.S. government administrators and diplomats have been drawn from its ranks - regardless of which party has occupied the White House. But what does the Council on Foreign Relations stand for? Why do the major media avoid discussing it? What has been its impact on America's past - and what is it planning for the future? (2008, 272pp, pb)


Ron Paul Has the Council on Foreign Relations Worried
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=209210

Hillary Clinton Lets the CFR Cat Out of the Bag
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=200251


Council On Foreign Relations
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/1462


The Council on Foreign Relations and their influence over the Media


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aO8OnxEld3M

[Fozz]

This thread belongs in HT.

[Zippyjuan]

"Worked on a task force" "promoting democracy" makes him a "CFR stooge"? Is he intending to force America to become Islamic?


is a deliberate attempt to further stoke religious tensions

The mosque was announced way back in December. The "religious tensions" are coming not from Muslims but from supposedly tollerant Americans. Is that why he has gone on tour trying to promote religious unity and tollerance?

Don't forget to include the first line from your link:

Former GOP Rep. Vin Weber -- on MSNBC -- said that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a "fine man, a voice of reason whom we should be listening to,"

[TheTyke]

It makes perfect sense to me that this is a manufactured "controversy." Anything to keep people divided against each other and drawing artificial battle lines. Those on both sides of the issue are participating.

[FrankRep]

It makes perfect sense to me that this is a manufactured "controversy." Anything to keep people divided against each other and drawing artificial battle lines. Those on both sides of the issue are participating.

I agree now after seeing the players involved.

The Ground Zero Mosque is just Manufactured Controversy, a distraction from the Real issues.

[specsaregood]

The CFR isn't an evil organization, stop freaking out over nothing.

Question: have you read that "shadows of power" book Frank linked to?

[FrankRep]

Question: have you read that "shadows of power" book Frank linked to?

Or watch the video. Very enlightening.


YouTube - The CFR Controls The Media! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-FuaXvxWmQ)

[specsaregood]

Or watch the video. Very enlightening.


I don't know about that video, but I consider that book a "Must Read" and I'm not putting it lightly.

[TheTyke]

I live for the day when every administration's cabinet is full of CFL members as opposed to CFR. :D

[TheConstitutionLives]

This thread belongs in HT.

90% of everything Frank (this forum's resident paranoid) posts belongs in Hot Topics. We need to put him and a few others here in a room with the rest of the over-paranoids who are also total believers of THEIR respective versions of a conspiracy. They would never come out of that room.

It would hilariously play out something like this:

Paranoid #1: "No, the CFR doesn't run the world. The Trilats do! I have the documents from a secret meeting that took place in the back of a bowling alley in 1948!"

Paranoid #2: "You guys have it all wrong. It's the jews who are in total control of the planet! I have the documents! Oh, and I once saw a guy on the internet say something about it. It's the truth!"

Paranoid #3: "No No No! You guys are obviously stupid sheeple who are falling for their plan. Geez! The real controllers want you to think that the CFR is running things. It's not. Don't fall for their brainwashing tricks. It's really the Rothchild's! I have the documents and a few documentaries to back that up!"

Paranoid #4: "OMG! You people are so wrong its unbelievable. I have the documents. I KNOW what's going on and you're all wrong. Everything changed after the Roswell incident. The Greys have infiltrated the world's elite and are using them against each other. Don't be so naive. It' the Greys! I have the most documents of any of you!"


This stuff NEVER ends. It makes my brain ache.

[jmdrake]

The CFR isn't an evil organization, stop freaking out over nothing.

If there's not need to be worried about the CFR, then why did Dick Cheney feel the need to hide his membership when he was in the senate?

YouTube - Cheney on CFR, Council on Foreign Relations (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOAk-7F1EVU)

And for context of that clip:

YouTube - Dick Cheney ex-director of CFR talks to David Rockefeller (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbnpN07J_zg)

As for the extent of their influence, this quote from Hillary Clinton:

http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2009a/july/126071.htm
Foreign Policy Address at the Council on Foreign Relations

Hillary Rodham Clinton
Secretary of State
Washington, DC
July 15, 2009


Thank you very much, Richard, and I am delighted to be here in these new headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department. We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future.

And the CFR's agenda? Again Hillary Clinton.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/6600/remarks_by_senator_hillary_rodham_clinton_transcri pt.html?id=6600

You know, it is a great opportunity for me here in New York, before this prestigious body, to speak about where we find ourselves with respect to foreign policy. And I think it's appropriate to put it into the context of a quote that I agree with, that was made by the former council president, Leslie Gelb, who said that the purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations, as an organization, is to promote American internationalism based on American interests.

Whether the CFR is "evil" or not is a red herring. It's clearly influential and actively promotes an agenda many of us are against.

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[specsaregood]

90% of everything Frank (this forum's resident paranoid) posts belongs in Hot Topics.

This stuff NEVER ends. It makes my brain ache.

I take it you too have never read "shadows of power". I think you should, it is excellently sourced.

[TheConstitutionLives]

I take it you too have never read "shadows of power". I think you should, it is excellently sourced.

Might be a great book. But I really don't give two sh*ts with getting bogged down in petty details that don't even matter. I don't care who shot JFK. I don't care about 9/11. I don't care about alien infiltrations. I'm fighting Leviathan. I'm fighting THE SYSTEM. I'm not fighting one person. I'm not fighting a group of persons. I'm not fighting a think tank or multiple think tanks. I'm not fighting the media. I'm not fighting Goldman Sachs. I'm not fighting any of those things. It's a complete waste of time. I don't care about the secret history of the CFR, the Trilats, the Jews, or Obama's birth certificate. I'm against THE SYSTEM. Whoever has the most influence within the system at any given time couldn't matter any less to me.

[TheTyke]

As Ron Paul points out, there are competing ideologies... you can push power upward, or back down toward the individual. Why is it shocking that folks would make a coordinated, strategic political movement to bring about their world view?

It's really nothing different than what we should be doing to take our country back. The only difference is we do it to restore liberty and shrink the power of government.

But many do not stop and consider political strategy... they want our candidates to speak on each of their favorite issues, regardless of whether the voters are interested and regardless of whether it costs our candidates their elections.

The only way we can actually start winning and setting policy is by studying strategy!

[dannno]

Nice!! Great post.

[dannno]

Might be a great book. But I really don't give two sh*ts with getting bogged down in petty details that don't even matter. I don't care who shot JFK. I don't care about 9/11. I don't care about alien infiltrations. I'm fighting Leviathan. I'm fighting THE SYSTEM. I'm not fighting one person. I'm not fighting a group of persons. I'm not fighting a think tank or multiple think tanks. I'm not fighting the media. I'm not fighting Goldman Sachs. I'm not fighting any of those things. It's a complete waste of time. I don't care about the secret history of the CFR, the Trilats, the Jews, or Obama's birth certificate. I'm against THE SYSTEM. Whoever has the most influence within the system at any given time couldn't matter any less to me.

So you are fighting a system that you know absolutely nothing about. You could really stand to learn a lesson from Sun Tzu.

[TheConstitutionLives]

As Ron Paul points out, there are competing ideologies... you can push power upward, or back down toward the individual. Why is it shocking that folks would make a coordinated, strategic political movement to bring about their world view?

It's really nothing different than what we should be doing to take our country back. The only difference is we do it to restore liberty and shrink the power of government.

But many do not stop and consider political strategy... they want our candidates to speak on each of their favorite issues, regardless of whether the voters are interested and regardless of whether it costs our candidates their elections.

The only way we can actually start winning and setting policy is by studying strategy!


America the country is done. There is no "getting the country back". All I can do is attempt to protect my personal self enough that I don't get completely flattened when it falls. There will be no going back to the constitution (the document didn't work anyway) or going back to sensible money. The entire system is so intertwined that people will never give up what they receive. We have a worldwide philosophical crises on our hands. We have 6 billion people who want to use force to get what they want. Electing Ron Paul (god bless him) as president is not going to change that even if it were remotely possible (never going to happen).

[TheConstitutionLives]

So you are fighting a system that you know absolutely nothing about. You could really stand to learn a lesson from Sun Tzu.

I know enough to know that's it's a waste of time. I could recommend you read a bunch of books about "secret controllers" etc etc... but that stuff is still a waste of time.

[FrankRep]

America the country is done. There is no "getting the country back". All I can do is to protect personal self enough that I don't get completely flattened with it all falls. There will be no going back to the constitution (the document didn't work anyway) or going back to sensible money. The entire system is so intertwined that people will never give up what they receive. We have worldwide philosophical crises on our hands. We have 6 billion people who want to use force to get what they want. Electing Ron Paul (god bless him) as president is not going to change that even if it were remotely possible (never going to happen).

TheConstitutionLives is trolling the forums again. :rolleyes:

[TheConstitutionLives]

TheConstitutionLives is trolling the forums again. :rolleyes:

You, Danno, and Drake should get in that room I mentioned above, put all the puzzle pieces together, and don't come out until you have the master plan of the grand conspiracy all figured out. ;)

[jmdrake]

I know enough to know that's it's a waste of time. I could recommend you read a bunch of books about "secret controllers" etc etc... but that stuff is still a waste of time.

:rolleyes: The CFR isn't exactly a "secret" at this point. Again Hillary Clinton:

Thank you very much, Richard, and I am delighted to be here in these new headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department. We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future.

Anyway, since you don't think we should be worried about "secrets" do you disagree with Ron Paul's call to audit the fed? After all some call that "conspiracy theory" too.

[paulitics]

90% of everything Frank (this forum's resident paranoid) posts belongs in Hot Topics. We need to put him and a few others here in a room with the rest of the over-paranoids who are also total believers of THEIR respective versions of a conspiracy. They would never come out of that room.

It would hilariously play out something like this:

Paranoid #1: "No, the CFR doesn't run the world. The Trilats do! I have the documents from a secret meeting that took place in the back of a bowling alley in 1948!"

Paranoid #2: "You guys have it all wrong. It's the jews who are in total control of the planet! I have the documents! Oh, and I once saw a guy on the internet say something about it. It's the truth!"

Paranoid #3: "No No No! You guys are obviously stupid sheeple who are falling for their plan. Geez! The real controllers want you to think that the CFR is running things. It's not. Don't fall for their brainwashing tricks. It's really the Rothchild's! I have the documents and a few documentaries to back that up!"

Paranoid #4: "OMG! You people are so wrong its unbelievable. I have the documents. I KNOW what's going on and you're all wrong. Everything changed after the Roswell incident. The Greys have infiltrated the world's elite and are using them against each other. Don't be so naive. It' the Greys! I have the most documents of any of you!"


This stuff NEVER ends. It makes my brain ache.

Nice personal attack on forum members. Do you have anything substantive to add?

[TheConstitutionLives]

:rolleyes: The CFR isn't exactly a "secret" at this point. Again Hillary Clinton:

Thank you very much, Richard, and I am delighted to be here in these new headquarters. I have been often to, I guess, the mother ship in New York City, but it’s good to have an outpost of the Council right here down the street from the State Department. We get a lot of advice from the Council, so this will mean I won’t have as far to go to be told what we should be doing and how we should think about the future.


- Hillary was told by the real controllers to say that. Hahaha! You're so naive. You see, Hillary is really a cyborg with Alien DNA. She was made to say that back then so you would read about it and then go forth spewing it. It's a diversion! She's purposefully misleading you with that quote. Don't believe me? Well, I've got a stack of books for you to read, Mr.

[TheConstitutionLives]

Nice personal attack on forum members.

- eh.. I wouldn't call it "personal". I'm attacking the cooky content that flows from their keyboards.



Do you have anything substantive to add?

- Why, yes. Yes, I do. These kinds of threads are not worthy of the General Politics section.

[specsaregood]

- eh.. I wouldn't call it "personal". I'm attacking the cooky content that flows from their keyboards.


You call it "cooky" and yet readily admit you haven't looked into it or know anything about the history of that of which you speak. I have a word for that attitude but I'll restrain myself.

Those that don't know history are.......

[Anti Federalist]

Might be a great book. But I really don't give two sh*ts with getting bogged down in petty details that don't even matter. I don't care who shot JFK. I don't care about 9/11. I don't care about alien infiltrations. I'm fighting Leviathan. I'm fighting THE SYSTEM. I'm not fighting one person. I'm not fighting a group of persons. I'm not fighting a think tank or multiple think tanks. I'm not fighting the media. I'm not fighting Goldman Sachs. I'm not fighting any of those things. It's a complete waste of time. I don't care about the secret history of the CFR, the Trilats, the Jews, or Obama's birth certificate. I'm against THE SYSTEM. Whoever has the most influence within the system at any given time couldn't matter any less to me.

You don't care and you don't know and you don't give a shit.

That's all well and good I suppose, ridiculously short sighted I think, but, whatever blows your skirt up.

Tell me though, why is it necessary to harp and nag and scold and belittle those of us who do care?

Why not just mind your own business if you don't give a shit about these things?

You're waaaayyyyy overcompensating for somebody with such a self professed lackadaisical attitude.

[paulitics]

- eh.. I wouldn't call it "personal". I'm attacking the cooky content that flows from their keyboards.




- Why, yes. Yes, I do. These kinds of threads are not worthy of the General Politics section.

Yes it is, when you call people "over paranoids" for talking about the CFR. I don't see what the big deal is. Do you flip out when people talk about PNAC, or is it just this thinktank, and Bilderberg, etc?

By the way, it's kooky, not cooky.


Just to add. I'm glad it's here because the MSM portrays this Imam as someone way outside the mainstream. It turns out he is part of the establishment. You don't think the CFR is evil, fine, but you can't deny that it is establishment.


This is relevent to general politics, because once again the MSM is being dishonest about who he is. For the last 3 weeks, all we have been hearing about is this stupid story, so what it one post about this guy's background?

[jmdrake]

- Hillary was told by the real controllers to say that. Hahaha! You're so naive. You see, Hillary is really a cyborg with Alien DNA. She was made to say that back then so you would read about it and then go forth spewing it. It's a diversion! She's purposefully misleading you with that quote. Don't believe me? Well, I've got a stack of books for you to read, Mr.

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[dannno]

- Hillary was told by the real controllers to say that. Hahaha! You're so naive. You see, Hillary is really a cyborg with Alien DNA. She was made to say that back then so you would read about it and then go forth spewing it. It's a diversion! She's purposefully misleading you with that quote. Don't believe me? Well, I've got a stack of books for you to read, Mr.

Why do you turn real people, real meetings and real agendas into a bunch of alien bullshit? Part of the whole 'conspiracy' is compartmentalization and getting THE RIGHT people who aren't in on the conspiracy to help you out. Most politicians aren't in on the conspiracy, but their campaigns are funded by organizations who have leaders who are apart of the conspiracy. If you'd actually take the time to learn about some of this shit, you would see why it is so important. But your statements are very telling of what a backwards view you have of what we know the truth to be.

[jmdrake]

Why do you turn real people, real meetings and real agendas into a bunch of alien bullshit? Part of the whole 'conspiracy' is compartmentalization and getting THE RIGHT people who aren't in on the conspiracy to help you out. Most politicians aren't in on the conspiracy, but their campaigns are funded by organizations who have leaders who are apart of the conspiracy. If you'd actually take the time to learn about some of this shit, you would see why it is so important. But your statements are very telling of what a backwards view you have of what we know the truth to be.

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[TheConstitutionLives]

Yes it is, when you call people "over paranoids" for talking about the CFR. I don't see what the big deal is. Do you flip out when people talk about PNAC, or is it just this thinktank, and Bilderberg, etc?

- It is over-paranoid to make a generalization like the "CFR is evil". That's not taking into account that the CFR has tons of members who all have their own opinions. If Dr Paul were a member it wouldn't make him evil. I don't doubt for a second that there aren't evil people in the group. Hell, there are evil people that are preachers. That doesn't make all preachers evil people




Just to add. I'm glad it's here because the MSM portrays this Imam as someone way outside the mainstream. It turns out he is part of the establishment. You don't think the CFR is evil, fine, but you can't deny that it is establishment.

Posting about his portrayal in the media is not the issue I have. It's the "ANYONE WHO HAS EVER BEEN IN THE CFR IS PURE EVIL" part of the post that I have issue with.



By the way, it's kooky, not cooky.


- Good catch. You're right. My fault.

[FrankRep]

- It is over-paranoid to make a generalization like the "CFR is evil". That's not taking into account that the CFR has tons of members who all have their own opinions. If Dr Paul were a member it wouldn't make him evil. I don't doubt for a second that there aren't evil people in the group. Hell, there are evil people that are preachers. That doesn't make all preachers evil people

Ron Paul on the Council on Foreign Relations!

YouTube - Ron Paul answers question if he is a member of the CFR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV_AML16tC8)

[TheConstitutionLives]

your statements are very telling of what a backwards view you have of what we know the truth to be.


- Oh, well PLEASE tell me the truth. I don't want your opinion. I want the official truth. I'm talking about the solid version of truth that you have been lucky enough to have stumbled upon. The one truth that makes all other versions of the truth false interpretations. So, please, Danno. I would love to know the truth.

And when you finish telling me the REAL truth I can provide you an endless list of people who are just as believing in THEIR version of the "truth" as you are yours. It's stupid. It's why I'm agnostic. Everyone thinks they have the sh*t figured out. It's sad.

[TheConstitutionLives]

Ron Paul on the Council on Foreign Relations!

Blah. I do not care. Ron is a good man but he ain't god.

[jmdrake]

- It is over-paranoid to make a generalization like the "CFR is evil". That's not taking into account that the CFR has tons of members who all have their own opinions. If Dr Paul were a member it wouldn't make him evil. I don't doubt for a second that there aren't evil people in the group. Hell, there are evil people that are preachers. That doesn't make all preachers evil people

Posting about his portrayal in the media is not the issue I have. It's the "ANYONE WHO HAS EVER BEEN IN THE CFR IS PURE EVIL" part of the post that I have issue with.


So far the only people to use the word "evil" in this thread are those trying to say the CFR isn't that bad.

Whether the CFR is "evil" or not is a red herring. It's clearly influential and actively promotes an agenda many of us are against.

[jmdrake]

Blah. I do not care. Ron is a good man but he ain't god.

Did you even watch the clip? Cliff Notes version:

Audience member: "Are you a member of the CFR and are any other GOP candidates".

RP:
1) I'm not a member
2) The CFR used to be secretive, now they are much more open
3) The CFR and the trilateral commission are very influential and are very much in control at the Wall Street level and in the Military Industrial Complex
4) I hope our side will be that influential someday at an intellectual level.

What do you disagree with and why?

[Travlyr]

CFR's President, Richard Haas just came out against the Afghanistan war, the CFR is an influential think tank, yes. Just like Brookings Institute, Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation are.

And not long ago CFR's President, Richard Haas favored redefining sovereignty.


http://www.cfr.org/publication/9903/sovereignty_and_globalisation.html

Sovereignty and globalisation
Author:
Richard N. Haass, President, Council on Foreign Relations

February 17, 2006
Project Syndicate

The world’s 190-plus states now co-exist with a larger number of powerful non-sovereign and at least partly (and often largely) independent actors, ranging from corporations to non-government organisations (NGOs), from terrorist groups to drug cartels, from regional and global institutions to banks and private equity funds. The sovereign state is influenced by them (for better and for worse) as much as it is able to influence them. The near monopoly of power once enjoyed by sovereign entities is being eroded.

As a result, new mechanisms are needed for regional and global governance that include actors other than states. This is not to argue that Microsoft, Amnesty International, or Goldman Sachs be given seats in the United Nations General Assembly, but it does mean including representatives of such organisations in regional and global deliberations when they have the capacity to affect whether and how regional and global challenges are met.

Moreover, states must be prepared to cede some sovereignty to world bodies if the international system is to function.

This is already taking place in the trade realm. Governments agree to accept the rulings of the World Trade Organisation because on balance they benefit from an international trading order, even if a particular decision requires that they alter a practice that is their sovereign right to carry out.

Some governments are prepared to give up elements of sovereignty to address the threat of global climate change. Under one such arrangement, the Kyoto Protocol, which runs through 2012, signatories agree to cap specific emissions. What is needed now is a successor arrangement in which a larger number of governments, including the United States, China and India, accept emission limits or adopt common standards because they recognise that they would be worse off if no country did.

All of this suggests that sovereignty must be redefined if states are to cope with globalisation.

At its core, globalisation entails the increasing volume, velocity and importance of flows within and across borders of people, ideas, greenhouse gases, goods, dollars, drugs, viruses, emails, weapons, and a good deal else, challenging one of sovereignty’s fundamental principles: the ability to control what crosses borders in either direction. Sovereign states increasingly measure their vulnerability not to one another, but to forces beyond their control.

Globalisation thus implies that sovereignty is not only becoming weaker in reality, but that it needs to become weaker. States would be wise to weaken sovereignty in order to protect themselves, because they cannot insulate themselves from what goes on elsewhere. Sovereignty is no longer a sanctuary.

This was demonstrated by the American and world reaction to terrorism. Afghanistan’s Taliban government, which provided access and support to al-Qaeda, was removed from power. Similarly, America’s preventive war against an Iraq that ignored the UN and was thought to possess weapons of mass destruction showed that sovereignty no longer provides absolute protection. Imagine how the world would react if some government were known to be planning to use or transfer a nuclear device or had already done so. Many would argue correctly that sovereignty provides no protection for that state.

Necessity may also lead to reducing or even eliminating sovereignty when a government, whether from a lack of capacity or conscious policy, is unable to provide for the basic needs of its citizens. This reflects not simply scruples, but a view that state failure and genocide can lead to destabilising refugee flows and create openings for terrorists to take root.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation’s intervention in Kosovo was an example where a number of governments chose to violate the sovereignty of another government (Serbia) to stop ethnic cleansing and genocide. By contrast, the mass killing in Rwanda a decade ago and now in Darfur, Sudan, demonstrate the high price of judging sovereignty to be supreme and thus doing little to prevent the slaughter of innocents.

Our notion of sovereignty must therefore be conditional, even contractual, rather than absolute. If a state fails to live up to its side of the bargain by sponsoring terrorism, either transferring or using weapons of mass destruction, or conducting genocide, then it forfeits the normal benefits of sovereignty and opens itself up to attack, removal or occupation. The diplomatic challenge for this era is to gain widespread support for principles of state conduct and a procedure for determining remedies when these principles are violated.

The goal should be to redefine sovereignty for the era of globalisation, to find a balance between a world of fully sovereign states and an international system of either world government or anarchy.

The basic idea of sovereignty, which still provides a useful constraint on violence between states, needs to be preserved. But the concept needs to be adapted to a world in which the main challenges to order come from what global forces do to states and what governments do to their citizens, rather than from what states do to one another.

[Zippyjuan]

CFR's President, Richard Haas just came out against the Afghanistan war, the CFR is an influential think tank, yes. Just like Brookings Institute, Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation are.

Yes. The CFR is comprised of people from all kinds of backgrounds. You can find articles and books by them on both sides of many issues. They do not have one united position on things.

But that does not fit the "man behind the curtain" which some people like to see.
YouTube - The Wizard of Oz: Pay No Attention (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZR64EF3OpA)

[RedStripe]

There's a middle ground between being on the verge of delusional paranoia and being ignorantly dismissive of the importance of groups like the CFR. It's possible to understand the importance o

The problem with the conspiracy theorist are as follows:

1. The way they envision the relationship between groups like the CFR and society-at-large is an inversion of the actual relationship. They see the relationship as primarily one-directional: that the CFR and other similar groups shape and control society. The truth is, groups like the CFR are an inevitable outgrowth and reflection of society. A society with high concentrations of wealth and political power will always develop elitist groups to manage its affairs and to perpetuate the system: the ones with the power have an incentive to keep it so. The individual "conspiracies" that may eventually come out of these groups are a circus side-show to the main attraction to anyone really interested in studying our world: the underlying structure of society itself, which makes all of this conspiratorial stuff plausible to begin with.

2. The paranoid fringe tends to assume that these groups are more secretive and shadowy than they actually are. Part of the purpose of these groups is simply for political and economic networking among the elite, although policy initiatives and other subjects of interest to that class are obviously an important aspect. This is simply what happens when too few people hold too much of a society's power, which ultimately boils down to economic disparities. But just because these people are of the same class, that doesn't mean they always have identical interests. There are many factions and players, who, for good reason, see each other as the main rivals rather than "the public" (aside from points in time when the masses genuinely start acting up - see the late 1800s). They don't always agree on policy directions, because a diverse economic system means that there are a conflicting set of interests at stake.

[puppetmaster]

Might be a great book. But I really don't give two sh*ts with getting bogged down in petty details that don't even matter. I don't care who shot JFK. I don't care about 9/11. I don't care about alien infiltrations. I'm fighting Leviathan. I'm fighting THE SYSTEM. I'm not fighting one person. I'm not fighting a group of persons. I'm not fighting a think tank or multiple think tanks. I'm not fighting the media. I'm not fighting Goldman Sachs. I'm not fighting any of those things. It's a complete waste of time. I don't care about the secret history of the CFR, the Trilats, the Jews, or Obama's birth certificate. I'm against THE SYSTEM. Whoever has the most influence within the system at any given time couldn't matter any less to me.


know thy enemy......and their motivations. Then you know how to beat them

[Travlyr]

There's a middle ground between being on the verge of delusional paranoia and being ignorantly dismissive of the importance of groups like the CFR. It's possible to understand the importance o

The problem with the conspiracy theorist are as follows:

1. The way they envision the relationship between groups like the CFR and society-at-large is an inversion of the actual relationship. They see the relationship as primarily one-directional: that the CFR and other similar groups shape and control society. The truth is, groups like the CFR are an inevitable outgrowth and reflection of society. A society with high concentrations of wealth and political power will always develop elitist groups to manage its affairs and to perpetuate the system: the ones with the power have an incentive to keep it so. The individual "conspiracies" that may eventually come out of these groups are a circus side-show to the main attraction to anyone really interested in studying our world: the underlying structure of society itself, which makes all of this conspiratorial stuff plausible to begin with.
It is not necessarily one directional, but isn't it interesting that the founding of the Council on Foreign Relations (1920/21) came on the heals of the creation of fiat money authority with the exact same players? The CFR is a group of exclusive elite who believe that a minority should govern the majority (Harvard/Yale/Oxford elite).
More and more evidence gives insight into how global elitists control societies through monetary policy.


http://www.cfr.org/about/history/foreign_affairs.html
The Beginnings

It is appropriate that the story told in the exhibit started with Woodrow Wilson, president of Princeton before he became president of the United States. His leadership, ideals, and eloquence had struck a deep chord with many Americans, and when he went in January 1919 to the Paris Peace Conference, he carried with him the fervent hopes not only of Americans but of most of the world that a just and lasting peace might emerge with an appropriate international organization to help achieve it.
Since the CFR's beginnings the world has experienced more and more wars with @ 260 million dead from government actions around the world. The organization is a failure for liberty, and extremely profitable for the elite who own 1/3 of the wealth. It's about time to realize that war is not peace and the people of the world keep losing their freedoms.


2. The paranoid fringe tends to assume that these groups are more secretive and shadowy than they actually are. Part of the purpose of these groups is simply for political and economic networking among the elite, although policy initiatives and other subjects of interest to that class are obviously an important aspect. This is simply what happens when too few people hold too much of a society's power, which ultimately boils down to economic disparities. But just because these people are of the same class, that doesn't mean they always have identical interests. There are many factions and players, who, for good reason, see each other as the main rivals rather than "the public" (aside from points in time when the masses genuinely start acting up - see the late 1800s). They don't always agree on policy directions, because a diverse economic system means that there are a conflicting set of interests at stake.
The CFR was virtually secret until the free communication of the Internet. Their exposure is relatively recent. That's why Dick Cheney did not tell his constituents in Wyoming that he was a member.

The CFR preceded the United Nations. Again, the same players in control of the fiat money system. And here is their agenda for you: Agenda 21 (http://www.un.org/esa/dsd/agenda21/res_agenda21_00.shtml) (UN's Agenda for the people of the 21st Century)

Is it conspiracy theory or conspiracy fact to believe what the elite publish?
Either way, conspiracy is a crime.

[Rancher]

Shadows of Power (http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/books/shadows-of-power.html)

Globalists suck.

[clarity]

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf once told a synagogue that he was a Jew and then also said he was a Christian. The whole universalist message exists to work towards a global government.


In 2003, Imam Rauf was invited to speak at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the journalist murdered by Islamist terrorists in Pakistan. The service was held at B'nai Jeshurun, a prominent synagogue in Manhattan, and in the audience was Judea Pearl, Daniel Pearl's father. In his remarks, Rauf identified absolutely with Pearl, and identified himself absolutely with the ethical tradition of Judaism. "I am a Jew," he said.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/08/ground-zero-imam-i-am-a-jew-i-have-always-been-one/61761/

[WaltM]

Patented JBS logic : "we don't want to oppose the Mosque, nor will we deny that 9/11 was done by al Qaeda, but we want to tell you he's bad for OUR OWN REASONS that nobody cares about"

[FrankRep]

Patented JBS logic : "we don't want to oppose the Mosque, nor will we deny that 9/11 was done by al Qaeda, but we want to tell you he's bad for OUR OWN REASONS that nobody cares about"

I posted an Infowars.com article. Alex Jones, not JBS.

WaltM = Idiot.

[BlackTerrel]

Just so I'm clear. From the beginning of this controversy 99% of posters here have said

"This is not a provocation. Muslims have just as much a right to build somewhere as everyone else".

Now it turns out we are wrong.

1. It is a provocation
2. Muslims don't have a right to build here
3. And it's a conspiracy by this Imam.

Do I have it down?

[FrankRep]

...

The Ground Zero Mosque is just Manufactured Controversy, a distraction from the Real issues.