Denver Cops Again beat a man - raw video of the incident

[squarepusher]

Denver Cops Again - beat a man, news story and raw video of the incident

LiveLeak.com - Denver Cops Again - beat a man, news story and raw video of the incident (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9aa_1282200247)

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I hope this keeps getting worse. Americans deserve beatings if they're unwilling to arm themselves and defend themselves against these thugs. In any decent society he would have shot these Nazis.

[jclay2]

"An internal investigation is being conducted"

Sounds like a paid vacation and probably a promotion coming to these new up and comers.

[Dr.3D]

I suppose if a person defended themselves from those thugs and shot them, they would probably end up in prison or worse.

[libertybrewcity]

stupid cops. They will go to hell one day...

[Mike4Freedom]

That is why I always carry. If that man was open carrying the cops would of not even touched him, I guarentee that.

[Anti Federalist]

"Here lies John Rambo, winner of the Purple Heart and Congressional Medal of Honor.

Killed in Jerkwater, USA, for the crime of vagrancy."

[susano]

Abolish gov't and their organized gangs. That's the only answer. Until that happens, the peeps in Denver have to raise hell about.

[libertybrewcity]

That is why I always carry. If that man was open carrying the cops would of not even touched him, I guarentee that.

Can you open carry in Denver?

I would like to think so but you never know with large cities.

[susano]

That is why I always carry. If that man was open carrying the cops would of not even touched him, I guarentee that.

You're dreaming. They probably would have killed him - and they'd get away with it. The cops are nothing but a Mafia and they're just as psychotic.

[crazyfacedjenkins]

I suppose if a person defended themselves from those thugs and shot them, they would probably end up in prison or worse.

Well that's the dilemma, how bad does it have to get before the threat of imprisonment is far outweighed by the pursuit of justice and freedom? Hell, prison beats strapping a bomb to your body and blowing yourself up. Say what you will about Muslims, but they have balls.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Denver Police don't give a shit... it's the Taxpayers that are on the hook for all the court expenses, trails, lawsuits, and restitution.

[Mike4Freedom]

That is why it is important to practice. Get good at shooting and get good at drawing. If you practice drawing from a concealed carry position or from a side holster for 5 minutes a day you will get very good at it.

[FrankRep]

Video cameras, the best weapon against tyranny.

[Wesker1982]

we're livin' in a police sate, I tell ya man it aint that great...

[Mike4Freedom]

Video cameras, the best weapon against tyranny.

No, firearm are the best weapon against tryanny. You can have all the video tapes you want. Those cops at most will get paid leave. Maybe even a 2 week unpaid suspension.

Whenever a cop does something illegal to you they become criminals. You have a constitutional, HELL, you have a god given born with right to defend yourself against someone who is trying to hurt or kill you.

People in this country need to wake up and arm themselves to protect us from criminals and also from tyranny.

[WhiteHaven]

I hope this keeps getting worse. Americans deserve beatings if they're unwilling to arm themselves and defend themselves against these thugs. In any decent society he would have shot these Nazis.

Please don't compare those thugs with National Socialists. Thanks.

[james1906]

^ racist troll

I'm just glad the dog survived. All three of mine from my GSD to my toy poodle would have been shot for barking and protecting me.

[FrankRep]

Video cameras, the best weapon against tyranny.


No, firearm are the best weapon against tryanny. You can have all the video tapes you want. Those cops at most will get paid leave. Maybe even a 2 week unpaid suspension.

I don't support shooting Police Officers, sorry.

[WhiteHaven]

^ racist troll

I'm just glad the dog survived. All three of mine from my GSD to my toy poodle would have been shot for barking and protecting me.


Racist-Someone who cares for their race then yes that would be me
Troll-someone a whiney liberal as above doesn't like. I guess so.

[james1906]

Racist-Someone who cares for their race then yes that would be me
Troll-someone a whiney liberal as above doesn't like. I guess so.

Ok, I'll feed you. What brings you here?

[t0rnado]

I don't support shooting Police Officers, sorry.

Shooting them doesn't make much of a statement. I support hanging them.

[Mike4Freedom]

I don't support shooting Police Officers, sorry.

Now when you put a spin on it like that it makes it sound like I am talking about going around and just shooting cops.

Now let me state this again without your pro-state media spin you just added to it.

I am talking about defending your constitutional right from anybody that would take them from you. Expecially your right to life. We are all citizens, when a citizen breaks into your house and is wielding a weapon or is a threat to you, you kill them, thats it.

You can be judged by a jury of twelve or carried by six loved ones. It's your pick.

Police officers are also citizens. If I am walking my dog and some guy starts to draw a gun on me I am going to draw and shoot him.

If anyone starts to draw a weapon on you without provocation it is a threat of your life and you need to defend your life.

You can sort out the details after the fact.

I wonder what spin you are going to try to put on this.

[Kylie]

Now when you put a spin on it like that it makes it sound like I am talking about going around and just shooting cops.

Now let me state this again without your pro-state media spin you just added to it.

I am talking about defending your constitutional right from anybody that would take them from you. Expecially your right to life. We are all citizens, when a citizen breaks into your house and is wielding a weapon or is a threat to you, you kill them, thats it.

You can be judged by a jury of twelve or carried by six loved ones. It's your pick.

Police officers are also citizens. If I am walking my dog and some guy starts to draw a gun on me I am going to draw and shoot him.

If anyone starts to draw a weapon on you without provocation it is a threat of your life and you need to defend your life.

You can sort out the details after the fact.

I wonder what spin you are going to try to put on this.


This is precisely how I think.


Thanks, I am not alone. :)

[CCTelander]

Once again (If it's getting old, don't blame ME, blame them):


...the police have NO DUTY to protect an innocent individual's rights and property. The courts in every jurisdiction throughout the US have universally upheld this position. Here's a whole thread on the topic:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=228509

Professional police forces do NOT exist to protect the rights and property of innocent individuals. They were NEVER intended for such a purpose. They exist solely and completely for the purpose of enforcing the will of the power elites, and protecting those power elites against YOU.

In other words they are, in effect, an occupational army whose sole purpose is to oppress YOU. Period.

They violate the rights of innocent individuals every day. They routinely taze, beat and kill innocent people. They destroy their property, bust down their doors, toss their premises and all this without even an apology. They throw innocent people in cages to be abused and raped. They regularly destroy the lives of innocents. They make false charges and then lie in court. The list of police abuses and usurpations goes on, and on, and on.

I'll bump the Myth of Police Protection thread yet again too.

[Mach]

Video cameras, the best weapon against tyranny.

It's true, you can tell how powerful it really is..... they are already making it illegal to do in some States. :mad:

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/headline/are-cameras-the-new-guns/#

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[Anti Federalist]

It's true, you can tell how powerful it really is..... they are already making it illegal to do in some States. :mad:

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/headline/are-cameras-the-new-guns/#

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It's always the usual fucking suspects.

Kalifornia and New York and New Jersey won't be far behind.


In response to a flood of Facebook and YouTube videos that depict police abuse, a new trend in law enforcement is gaining popularity. In at least three states (Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland), it is now illegal to record an on-duty police officer even if the encounter involves you and may be necessary to your defense, and even if the recording is on a public street where no expectation of privacy exists.

The legal justification for arresting the “shooter” rests on existing wiretapping or eavesdropping laws, with statutes against obstructing law enforcement sometimes cited. Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland are among the 12 states in which all parties must consent for a recording to be legal unless, as with TV news crews, it is obvious to all that recording is underway. Since the police do not consent, the camera-wielder can be arrested. Most all-party-consent states also include an exception for recording in public places where “no expectation of privacy exists” (Illinois does not) but in practice this exception is not being recognized.

So, we can expect the state's surveillance cameras that are all over the place, to come down, right?

I thought so...:mad:

OK, in the meantime:

http://www.cam-007.com/images/Digitalrise_Wireless_Spy_pen_Video_Camera_04.jpg

http://www.dimagemaker.net/ktml2/images/uploads/cameras/minox/glasses.jpg?0.2686288563549937

[Anti Federalist]

Once again (If it's getting old, don't blame ME, blame them):
I'll bump the Myth of Police Protection thread yet again too.

That won't get old. :mad:

[specsaregood]

That is why I always carry. If that man was open carrying the cops would of not even touched him, I guarentee that.

Uhm, I have a thread you should explore before assuming all that.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=252766
True, they didn't "touch" the guy talked about in that thread, they just gunned him down.

[CCTelander]

That won't get old. :mad:


I look forward to the day when it's unnecessary.

[00_Pete]

How do you know the guy didnt start to run his mouth of and got what he deserved? You have audio of their whole dialogue?

Police have a hard job, its very easy for them to have mental "problems" and short fuzes. Add the fact that the media and show business have been making it "cool" to hate police for decades.

In my life, i got "busted" 3 times for smoking ash, in all 3 times me and my buddies (acting under the advice of one police buddy of ours) were just honest about the whole thing and put all the "goodies" in their hands...in those 3 times the cops thanked us for our sincerity, asked where we buy all the goodies and never waited for the answer they just said with a grin on their faces "You dont remember right?" gave us a 5 minute speech on how we should spend our money on prostitutes instead, gave us back all the goodies and went away...

In my opinion, in 2/3 of the cop beating videos, the guy(s) that got beated wouldnt be beaten if they had some courtesy and didnt tried to imitate those moron punk-rock videos on MTV...

[Anti Federalist]

How do you know the guy didnt start to run his mouth of and got what he deserved? You have audio of their whole dialogue?

Police have a hard job, its very easy for them to have mental "problems" and short fuzes. Add the fact that the media and show business have been making it "cool" to hate police for decades.

In my life, i got "busted" 3 times for smoking ash, in all 3 times me and my buddies (acting under the advice of one police buddy of ours) were just honest about the whole thing and put all the "goodies" in their hands...in those 3 times the cops thanked us for our sincerity, asked where we buy all the goodies and never waited for the answer they just said with a grin on their faces "You dont remember right?" gave us a 5 minute speech on how we should spend our money on prostitutes instead, gave us back all the goodies and went away...

In my opinion, in 2/3 of the cop beating videos, the guy(s) that got beated wouldnt be beaten if they had some courtesy and didnt tried to imitate those moron punk-rock videos on MTV...

I haven't got a big enough facepalm for that.

[00_Pete]

I haven't got a big enough facepalm for that.

Facepalm all you want...i get the feeling that there is a lot of "MTV" and trying to be "cool" and "counter-culture" and "rebellious" behind all this anti-cop thing.

Remember the Rodney King episode and how the media manipulated the video to make it seem like Rodney King was innocent? Even Murray Rothbard defended the cops...

[james1906]

How do you know the guy didnt start to run his mouth of and got what he deserved? You have audio of their whole dialogue?

Mouthing off does not initiate violence. He attested that he saw the driver stop at a stop sign. Citizen watchdog, no different than the Minutemen.


Police have a hard job, its very easy for them to have mental "problems" and short fuzes. Add the fact that the media and show business have been making it "cool" to hate police for decades.

Boo hoo hoo. Police work doesn't even crack the top ten among the most dangerous jobs. Police get unearned respect simply for the amount of power they have. Lumberjacks and fishermen don't get that.


In my life, i got "busted" 3 times for smoking ash, in all 3 times me and my buddies (acting under the advice of one police buddy of ours) were just honest about the whole thing and put all the "goodies" in their hands...in those 3 times the cops thanked us for our sincerity, asked where we buy all the goodies and never waited for the answer they just said with a grin on their faces "You dont remember right?" gave us a 5 minute speech on how we should spend our money on prostitutes instead, gave us back all the goodies and went away...

Yeah, some cops are pretty laid back. That doesn't mean that one bad apple should be tolerated. Then again, I don't know what ash is.


In my opinion, in 2/3 of the cop beating videos, the guy(s) that got beated wouldnt be beaten if they had some courtesy and didnt tried to imitate those moron punk-rock videos on MTV...

Questioning authority is American, and MTV doesn't play videos. Also moron and punk rock don't mix. In closing....Anti-Flag!

YouTube - Anti Flag - You Can Kill The Protester, But You Can't Kill The Protest (Album version with Lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VagZmbh6tQ&feature=related)

[CCTelander]

I haven't got a big enough facepalm for that.


I'll second this. None are so blind...

[00_Pete]

Mouthing off does not initiate violence. He attested that he saw the driver stop at a stop sign. Citizen watchdog, no different than the Minutemen.

How do you know? You have audio?




Boo hoo hoo. Police work doesn't even crack the top ten among the most dangerous jobs. Police get unearned respect simply for the amount of power they have. Lumberjacks and fishermen don't get that.

Im not talking about physical danger, im talking about how their job makes it easy to get psychological "problems".




Yeah, some cops are pretty laid back. That doesn't mean that one bad apple should be tolerated. Then again, I don't know what ash is.

Hashish i mean...


Questioning authority is American, and MTV doesn't play videos. Also moron and punk rock don't mix. In closing....Anti-Flag!

YouTube - Anti Flag - You Can Kill The Protester, But You Can't Kill The Protest (Album version with Lyrics) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VagZmbh6tQ&feature=related)

Clichéd, nerdy, anarcho-red (aka RED) punk bands and libertarianism dont mix...i notice that a lot of you have one foot in capitalism and the other foot in the commie pop culture (yep, its POP culture because its nothing but POP culture camouflaged in the whole "anti-system" and "counter-culture" and "cool" and "rebel" thing)

PS - And those anarcho-red band come up with the most silly band names...anti-Flag...lol...

[Anti Federalist]

Cops are the front line enforcers of the tyrannical state we now live in.

Nothing more to it than that.

That's all they are there to do now, maintain the state's authority.

[aGameOfThrones]

I haven't got a big enough facepalm for that.

So true. So true!

[james1844]

Cops are the front line enforcers of the tyrannical state we now live in.

Nothing more to it than that.

That's all they are there to do now, maintain the state's authority.

Hey Anti federalist,

Aren't you just the least bit ashamed about having a notorious anti-semite as your forum avatar? After Gibson's drunken tirade against Jews in Florida a couple of years back wouldn't it really be good manners to take down his picture?

After all, not everyone here on the board likes Gibson and some people may be offended by his attitude.

Thanks,

James

[teacherone]

Hey Anti federalist,

Aren't you just the least bit ashamed about having a notorious anti-semite as your forum avatar? After Gibson's drunken tirade against Jews in Florida a couple of years back wouldn't it really be good manners to take down his picture?

After all, not everyone here on the board likes Gibson and some people may be offended by his attitude.

Thanks,

James

^^^lol....


























this was an attempt at humor right?

[james1906]

Clichéd, nerdy, anarcho-red (aka RED) punk bands and libertarianism dont mix...i notice that a lot of you have one foot in capitalism and the other foot in the commie pop culture (yep, its POP culture because its nothing but POP culture camouflaged in the whole "anti-system" and "counter-culture" and "cool" and "rebel" thing)

What isn't pop culture to you? Skrewdriver?

[idirtify]

The video and the result is proof of what frankrep and antifederalist are saying. Without the video, this guy would have no support. With a gun, he would probably be dead. Cameras and recordings are the answer.

But right now the technology is still too inconvenient. Time yourself on how long it takes to start recording from your device, and I’ll guarantee you it will be “too long”. In a situation like this, one-button instant recording is a must. Does anyone know of any cell phone that does that?

But things are improving as device-size is getting smaller and memory and battery life are getting larger. Someday soon technology will allow every pedestrian to have covert 24/7 video recording/uploading? 24/7 “personal monitoring” will be the best personal protection for all types of crime, and the YT sites will be swamped with hard evidence of police brutality. Hope I live to see that.

[w2992]

i would love to be on that Jury trial. Thats the way to get even. Get on a jury.

[HOLLYWOOD]

Video cameras, the best weapon against tyranny.
YEAP, ...and that's why Police, governments across the country have been banning filming or recording any police incidence.

[/URL]http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008566,00.html (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2008566,00.html)

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2010/1008/a_video_police_0802.jpg
A frame grab from a video Anthony Graber made during a traffic stop by Maryland state trooper Joseph D. Uhler in March 2010

Anthony Graber, a Maryland Air National Guard staff sergeant, faces up to 16 years in prison.
His crime? He videotaped his March encounter with a state trooper who pulled him over for speeding on a motorcycle.
videotaped (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RK5bMSyJCsg&feature=related)
Growing Number of Prosecutions for Videotaping the Police

Prosecutions Draw Attention to Influence of Witness Videos

http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/videotaping-cops-arrest/story?id=11179076 (http://abcnews.go.com/US/TheLaw/videotaping-cops-arrest/story?id=11179076)

Photography is Not a Crime (http://carlosmiller.com/)
It’s a First Amendment Right!

[url]http://carlosmiller.com/2009/03/06/south-florida-model-jailed-overnight-for-videotaping-police-officers/ (http://carlosmiller.com/2009/03/06/south-florida-model-jailed-overnight-for-videotaping-police-officers/)

South Florida model jailed overnight for videotaping police officers
March 6th, 2009 · 137 Comments (http://carlosmiller.com/2009/03/06/south-florida-model-jailed-overnight-for-videotaping-police-officers/#comments)


Update:Charges dropped (http://carlosmiller.com/2009/03/24/charges-dropped-against-so-fla-model-arrested-for-filming-cop/)against South Florida model arrested for filming cops.

Update II: After hurdles and barricades, police say they will now (http://carlosmiller.com/2009/03/27/after-hurdles-and-barricades-police-say-they-will-now-return-camera-to-model/) return camera to model.


http://carlosmiller.com/wp-content/themes/Cutline%201.1-3ColumnSplit/images/header_2.jpg

[Krugerrand]

^^^^
Blatant violations such as above where somebody is arrested for videotaping ... the cops should be arrested for kidnapping and false imprisonment.

[Anti Federalist]

Hey Anti federalist,

Aren't you just the least bit ashamed about having a notorious anti-semite as your forum avatar? After Gibson's drunken tirade against Jews in Florida a couple of years back wouldn't it really be good manners to take down his picture?

After all, not everyone here on the board likes Gibson and some people may be offended by his attitude.

Thanks,

James

You a cop? ;)

To answer your question, if indeed you are serious, no, I have absolutely no intention of taking down my avatar, unless forced to for some reason by forum administration.

The avatar of William Wallace, the character, is what I want to represent, not so much Gibson, the actor.

He, (Gibson) like all of us, like the Founders, like any people in history, are flawed human beings, capable of doing and saying all manner of stupid things.

That does not mean that these same people cannot represent heroic and transcendent ideals.

The speech given at the beginning of that scene from which the avatar was taken is one of those ideals, it is the type of speech I'd like to be able to give some day, it's the type of courage I try to muster every day.

Hollywood? Sure it is, but what is human history, but stories? Some true, some embellished, some false, but perhaps teaching valuable lessons or making a valuable point.

That's what's represented in that avatar, one simple point, one defining question:

"What will you do, without freedom?"

If you truly find it so offensive, put me on ignore.

[ninepointfive]

Hey Anti federalist,

Aren't you just the least bit ashamed about having a notorious anti-semite as your forum avatar? After Gibson's drunken tirade against Jews in Florida a couple of years back wouldn't it really be good manners to take down his picture?

After all, not everyone here on the board likes Gibson and some people may be offended by his attitude.

Thanks,

James


I vote that it stays. Mel Gibson rocks

[heavenlyboy34]

You're dreaming. They probably would have killed him - and they'd get away with it. The cops are nothing but a Mafia and they're just as psychotic.

Good to see some RPFers understand this. :cool:

[Reason]

"The camera is the new gun" ~ Judge Napolitano

I'm not sure if cops are becoming more out of control or if we are just starting to open our eyes to what was already there with the exponential amount of cell phone video cameras floating around...

Both these cops should be charged with aggravated assault.

Serve prison time.

Loose their jobs/pension.

Be banned from ever serving in any law enforcement position ever again.

[puppetmaster]

james1884.....wtf are you talking about?

Hey Anti federalist,

Aren't you just the least bit ashamed about having a notorious anti-semite as your forum avatar? After Gibson's drunken tirade against Jews in Florida a couple of years back wouldn't it really be good manners to take down his picture?

After all, not everyone here on the board likes Gibson and some people may be offended by his attitude.

Thanks,

James



You a cop? ;)

To answer your question, if indeed you are serious, no, I have absolutely no intention of taking down my avatar, unless forced to for some reason by forum administration.

The avatar of William Wallace, the character, is what I want to represent, not so much Gibson, the actor.

He, (Gibson) like all of us, like the Founders, like any people in history, are flawed human beings, capable of doing and saying all manner of stupid things.

That does not mean that these same people cannot represent heroic and transcendent ideals.

The speech given at the beginning of that scene from which the avatar was taken is one of those ideals, it is the type of speech I'd like to be able to give some day, it's the type of courage I try to muster every day.

Hollywood? Sure it is, but what is human history, but stories? Some true, some embellished, some false, but perhaps teaching valuable lessons or making a valuable point.

That's what's represented in that avatar, one simple point, one defining question:

"What will you do, without freedom?"

If you truly find it so offensive, put me on ignore.

[Soca Taliban]

Hey Anti federalist,

Aren't you just the least bit ashamed about having a notorious anti-semite as your forum avatar? After Gibson's drunken tirade against Jews in Florida a couple of years back wouldn't it really be good manners to take down his picture?

After all, not everyone here on the board likes Gibson and some people may be offended by his attitude.

Thanks,

JamesThis has to be a joke. If not, your stupidity is mind boggling. Since when when is being a Semite = only Jews??

[Krugerrand]

"The camera is the new gun" ~ Judge Napolitano

I'm not sure if cops are becoming more out of control or if we are just starting to open our eyes to what was already there with the exponential amount of cell phone video cameras floating around...

Both these cops should be charged with aggravated assault.

Serve prison time.

Loose their jobs/pension.

Be banned from ever serving in any law enforcement position ever again.

Such abuse by police should get somebody banned from all public employment.

[squarepusher]

Such abuse by police should get somebody banned from all public employment.
sadly, from what I hear, people are scared and like the police to have (ultimate) power of enforcement. Unless you are a liberty minded person, like us on the board, many americans like and want their police to be all powerful, and would probably vote to give them more power (like inability to film, more ability to search without warrant, etc..)

to fight terrorism of course :rolleyes:

[Reason]

http://www.kdvr.com/videobeta/?watchId=cc7c2a60-3472-4fc2-9978-403d843fa7aa

[pcosmar]

I don't support shooting Police Officers, sorry.

The LAW disagrees.
The Supreme Court is on record as disagreeing.
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.txt


Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest

“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting
officer's life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This
premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the
case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the
officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally
accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with
very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right
to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What
may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter
in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been
committed.”

“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without
affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction,
and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the
arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will
be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111.
491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v.
Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau,
241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.

“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right
to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by
force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense,
his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80;
Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.

“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an
arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by
the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private
individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State,
26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State,
43 Tex. 93, 903.

“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to
be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in
defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and
battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).

“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case,
the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer
and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v.
Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).

“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as
he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus
it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an
officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without
resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).

“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In
his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which
the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various
branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be
no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the
Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded,
‘If there be any remedy at all ... it is a remedy never provided for by
human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in
extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous
injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford
University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the
case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.

As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable,
and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of
the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the
peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy
v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)


And I have to disagree.

[idirtify]

The LAW disagrees.
The Supreme Court is on record as disagreeing.
http://www.constitution.org/uslaw/defunlaw.txt


And I have to disagree.

Sure, you have the right to use deadly force when it is applied against you. It looks really good on paper - until you introduce cops as appliers. Then you have to ask if the one who defended himself successfully and shot a cop will survive long enough to defend himself in court. And if he does (unlikely), will he have any witnesses to disprove the cops’ lies? Once again, we come back to recording devices. Even WITH a gun, you will STILL need a camera to prove your story (if you survive long enough).

[Mike4Freedom]

Sure, you have the right to use deadly force when it is applied against you. It looks really good on paper - until you introduce cops as appliers. Then you have to ask if the one who defended himself successfully and shot a cop will survive long enough to defend himself in court. And if he does (unlikely), will he have any witnesses to disprove the cops’ lies? Once again, we come back to recording devices. Even WITH a gun, you will STILL need a camera to prove your story (if you survive long enough).

judged by 12 or carried by 6 are the only 2 options.

[pcosmar]

Sure, you have the right to use deadly force when it is applied against you. It looks really good on paper - until you introduce cops as appliers. Then you have to ask if the one who defended himself successfully and shot a cop will survive long enough to defend himself in court. And if he does (unlikely), will he have any witnesses to disprove the cops’ lies? Once again, we come back to recording devices. Even WITH a gun, you will STILL need a camera to prove your story (if you survive long enough).

You know. I am at the point where I really don't care.
I have had a pretty good life and am not looking forward to being a doddering old fool with some nurse changing my diaper.
I have also been in prison and know how to handle myself in that environment, Add to that, the particular crime is a badge of honor inside, I would have instant friends.

It is not going to be long (the way things are going) before realities are going to present some tough and clear choices.
:(

[jack555]

How do you know the guy didnt start to run his mouth of and got what he deserved? You have audio of their whole dialogue?

Police have a hard job, its very easy for them to have mental "problems" and short fuzes. Add the fact that the media and show business have been making it "cool" to hate police for decades.

In my life, i got "busted" 3 times for smoking ash, in all 3 times me and my buddies (acting under the advice of one police buddy of ours) were just honest about the whole thing and put all the "goodies" in their hands...in those 3 times the cops thanked us for our sincerity, asked where we buy all the goodies and never waited for the answer they just said with a grin on their faces "You dont remember right?" gave us a 5 minute speech on how we should spend our money on prostitutes instead, gave us back all the goodies and went away...

In my opinion, in 2/3 of the cop beating videos, the guy(s) that got beated wouldnt be beaten if they had some courtesy and didnt tried to imitate those moron punk-rock videos on MTV...

They don't play punk rock on mtv. ;) Maybe 10 years ago

[Mike4Freedom]

You know. I am at the point where I really don't care.
I have had a pretty good life and am not looking forward to being a doddering old fool with some nurse changing my diaper.
I have also been in prison and know how to handle myself in that environment, Add to that, the particular crime is a badge of honor inside, I would have instant friends.

It is not going to be long (the way things are going) before realities are going to present some tough and clear choices.
:(

Yeah, I hope it doesnt happen but everyday I come closer to the realization that I will die on my feet.

Maybe I will get lucky and die an old man in my sleep. There is one thing I wont do though and that is live on my knees like a cowardly slave.

[00_Pete]

What isn't pop culture to you? Skrewdriver?

If you want true "stick it to the Man" and "counter-culture" and "non-conformism" and all that...Church Choirs and National Traditional Musics (in the case of americans, old school country music), this is the real deal.

Johnny Rotten is doing everything for money (mostly making an ass out of himself on reality shows and sh*tty concerts) and throwing the word "******" and "Paki" around on the streets and bars of London. Dead Kennedys separated because of money (while preaching anarcho-commienism to 6 billion people go figure) and Biafra is now living in a 1 million dollar house and charging ridicuslous amounts of money for "spoken-word" concerts about homosexual cowboys eating pudim and burning bibles on the Arizona desert. Joey Ramone spent the last days of his life drooling like a brain-damaged retard in front of the TV while being addicted to stock-market gambling and having impure thoughts about Maria Bartiromo (he even made a sh*tty song about her)...that is your "non-conformism" and "counter-culture" and "alternative" and "cool" and "intellectual" right there.

If you want the real deal stick to National Traditional Music and Church Choirs.

[BlackTerrel]

Wow. Just watched that video. Incredible. He is lucky it was caught on video.