Glenn Beck - A Closer Look at the Progressive Movement

[FrankRep]

Glenn Beck - A Closer Look at the Progressive Movement


Historians on Progressives:

YouTube - Beck 1-29-10-1 Historians on Progressives-1.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxmV3cfSKGE)

YouTube - Beck 1-29-10-2 Historians on Progressives-2.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6vsZ5agj1U)

YouTube - Beck 1-29-10-3 Historians on Progressives-3.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmjr6q6GsWg&feature=related)

YouTube - Beck 1-29-10-4 Historians on Progressives-4.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uE1WLuRH5_o&feature=related)

[Chomsky]

I am starting to think that Fox is strictly profit driven, which means that they do not have clear propaganda agenda. For Beck to get this and other things he has been talking about lately, while by no means is perfect, is an indirect victory of the Liberty movement.

He is still firmly entrenched in the left/right problem but others like the Judge are not and that tells me that as long as it is popular and not a complete turn off to advertisers Fox is willing to run it.

I think this leads to the thinking I have that we need to push them as far as we can in the direction of a full Liberty and Freedom (i.e. anti-war) before the 2012 election cycle gets into full blown coverage mode.

In 2008 it became an exercise in explaining the message of freedom and liberty to the country via the MSM. If we would have a voice in the MSM that is advocating our message even when people like Ron, Rand and Schiff are not on air we are now in the game with a fighting chance.

Love it or hate it Fox News is a champion of the Tea Party and some within the organization are attempting to co-opt the movement. i.e. Hannity.

[BlackSand]

GB said if he could go back, he would vote for Obama over McCain.

I think its safe to say the left right paradigm doesnt matter much to him.

But I dont like listening to him (anymore) for other reasons. I'd rather Stossel or the Judge get really big.

[Chomsky]

GB said if he could go back, he would vote for Obama over McCain.

I think its safe to say the left right paradigm doesnt matter much to him.

But I dont like listening to him (anymore) for other reasons. I'd rather Stossel or the Judge get really big.

So would I but I think the train has already left the station with Beck on it.

[BlackSand]

Sadly yes. But worse things have happened. I wouldnt support GB for congress or anything like that. But as far as influencing people in the RIGHT direction...he does a good job. Libertarian books are more popular now than ever because of him.

[Old Ducker]

I'm still waiting for Beck to take on the neocons.

[FrankRep]

I'm still waiting for Beck to take on the neocons.

Read this:

Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106

[BlackSand]

Yea, I'd like to see him go TRULY anti Neo-con too. I do know he is against the patriot act. And has said on multiple occasions to bring the troops home. But still...I dont think hes libertarian enough on that count...

[FrankRep]

Yea, I'd like to see him go TRULY anti Neo-con too.

Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106

[BlackSand]

I define it as anyone who is willing to go to war against anyone for any other reason than "They attacked us." and also anyone who supports the police state and suspension of essential rights and liberties for the 'safety' of the people.

By this definition, Obama is a neocon. He has not pulled out of Iraq. And he supports the police state.

[FrankRep]

I define it as anyone who is willing to go to war against anyone for any other reason than "They attacked us." and also anyone who supports the police state and suspension of essential rights and liberties for the 'safety' of the people.

Irving Kristol was the Father of the Neoconservative Movement. Maybe you should see what he calls Neoconservatism.

Defining Terms: What is a Neoconservative (Neocon)?
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106

[BlackSand]

The original definition doesnt matter much now does it though? Just like if you said your a liberal, people wouldnt think "Libertarian"

The common interpretation is what I use in debates. Because it takes too much time and energy to explain the origin of every phrase I use.

[FrankRep]

The original definition doesnt matter much now does it though?

It's foolish to go around calling the Republicans you don't like all Neocons.
For example: "He supports War. He's a Neocon!" That's silly.

[low preference guy]

It's foolish to go around calling the Republicans you don't like all Neocons.
For example: "He supports War. He's a Neocon!" That's silly.

It's not so hard to correctly use neocon. They want to go intervene overseas to make other countries democracies, or to make the world a better place in some form, even if the United States isn't threatened by them.

[FrankRep]

It's not so hard to correctly use neocon. They want to go intervene overseas to make other countries democracies, or to make the world a better place in some form, even if the United States isn't threatened by them.

LPG, That's part of the story. Here's the rest:


Today’s neocon favors the United Nations, undeclared wars, a form of socialism slightly milder than what is offered by Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, steps toward world government such as phony free trade agreements, open borders, and a Supreme Court peopled by justices who will “interpret” rather than obey the U.S. Constitution.

[paulitics]

It's foolish to go around calling the Republicans you don't like all Neocons.
For example: "He supports War. He's a Neocon!" That's silly.

Neoconservatism is a philosophy. If you think pre-emptive war is justifiable, you are a neocon. No need to sugar coat a turd. Same goes for the whole war on terror, and assault on America's civil liberties.

[FrankRep]

Neoconservatism is a philosophy. If you think pre-emptive war is justifiable, you are a neocon. No need to sugar coat a turd. Same goes for the whole war on terror, and assault on America's civil liberties.


Today’s neocon favors the United Nations, undeclared wars, a form of socialism slightly milder than what is offered by Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, steps toward world government such as phony free trade agreements, open borders, and a Supreme Court peopled by justices who will “interpret” rather than obey the U.S. Constitution.

[thehunter]

Today’s neocon favors the United Nations, undeclared wars, a form of socialism slightly milder than what is offered by Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi, steps toward world government such as phony free trade agreements, open borders, and a Supreme Court peopled by justices who will “interpret” rather than obey the U.S. Constitution.

In fairness to neocons, there are different breeds (just like libertarians). I think most modern neocons wouldn't favour the UN (eg. Ann Coulter). Neoconservativism, which incidentally is a term I don't like due to the derogatory nature which led to its birth but c'est la vie..., is also different from socialism (not all bigger government movements are socialists), but rather a philosophy that sees the government playing a more agressive/active role in the defence of a nation than libertarians (who are minimalists in this department).

You would probably find that most modern neocons would be very open to the idea of discussion with libertarians about the failures of Wilsonian foreign policy, which is why there are many of us around here who are formerly of the neocon movement and why they still have many pundits who we admire in other policy areas.

That said, thank you for posting these videos -- my internet has been out for over a week due to the protectionist Canadian policies on internet service providers and up here and I'm looking forward to further discussions around here! Cheers!

[FrankRep]

In fairness to neocons, there are different breeds (just like libertarians). I think most modern neocons wouldn't favour the UN (eg. Ann Coulter).

Ann Coulter might be a slight warmonger, but she's not a Neoconservative.


Neoconservativism, ... is also different from socialism (not all bigger government movements are socialists), but rather a philosophy that sees the government playing a more agressive/active role in the defence of a nation than libertarians (who are minimalists in this department).

Neoconservativism's roots started out in the Socialist Trotskyite Movement, as Irving Kristol (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106&p=2841131&postcount=2) pointed out.



You would probably find that most modern neocons would be very open to the idea of discussion with libertarians about the failures of Wilsonian foreign policy, which is why there are many of us around here who are formerly of the neocon movement and why they still have many pundits who we admire in other policy areas.

What is most likely happening is that traditional Conservatives are coming to realize they've been duped into an anti-Constitutional, Globalist agenda.

[00_Pete]

Mr. Beck is doing very interesting stuff and attacking many Big Boys, lets hope this is not a trick and he will go all the way.

[FrankRep]

Mr. Beck is doing very interesting stuff and attacking many Big Boys, lets hope this is not a trick and he will go all the way.

Glenn Beck hasn't been playing the left/right game, he's going after the big boys!


Amazing:

Glenn Beck Recapitulates The John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6372-glenn-beck-recapitulates-the-john-birch-society

Glenn Beck Discovers Carroll Quigley (and the false left/right paradigm)
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6441-beck-uses-quigley-quote-about-political-parties

Glenn Beck Discovers 'Philip Dru: Administrator' by Edward Mandell House
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6405-glenn-beck-discovers-philip-dru-administrator

Glenn Beck Zeros In on CFR's Role in Media Bias
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6412-glenn-beck-zeroes-in-on-cfrs-role-in-press-bias

Glenn Beck: History Vindicated Joe McCarthy
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3876-glenn-beck-history-vindicated-joe-mccarthy

Beck's Founders' Fridays Attempts to Undo Revisionists' Damage
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3678-becks-founders-fridays-attempts-to-undo-revisionists-damage

[YumYum]

Glenn Beck hasn't been playing the left/right game, he's going after the big boys!


Amazing:

Glenn Beck Recapitulates The John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6372-glenn-beck-recapitulates-the-john-birch-society

Glenn Beck Discovers Carroll Quigley (and the false left/right paradigm)
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6441-beck-uses-quigley-quote-about-political-parties

Glenn Beck Discovers 'Philip Dru: Administrator' by Edward Mandell House
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6405-glenn-beck-discovers-philip-dru-administrator

Glenn Beck Zeros In on CFR's Role in Media Bias
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6412-glenn-beck-zeroes-in-on-cfrs-role-in-press-bias

Glenn Beck: History Vindicated Joe McCarthy
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3876-glenn-beck-history-vindicated-joe-mccarthy

Beck's Founders' Fridays Attempts to Undo Revisionists' Damage
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3678-becks-founders-fridays-attempts-to-undo-revisionists-damage

He is trying to trick Libertarians into becoming neocons.

Beck to Bolton: "Do you think Obama tried to sell-out Israel today?"

YouTube - Glenn Beck and John Bolton discuss Obamas UN speech and Israel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uuw2bZW_BnY)

[jclay2]

He is trying to trick Libertarians into becoming neocons.
l]

This Exactly. Plus, he will show his support to the mainstream republicans.

[FrankRep]

He is trying to trick Libertarians into becoming neocons

Being Pro-Israel doesn't make you a Neocon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106). Come on.

[thehunter]

Ann Coulter might be a slight warmonger, but she's not a Neoconservative.

I'm surprised that doesn't get her eternally damned to being a "liberal" given some of the puritan attitudes in the libertarian movement...:p




Neoconservativism's roots started out in the Socialist Trotskyite Movement, as Irving Kristol (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106&p=2841131&postcount=2) pointed out.

I read that actually and have come to believe, after observing politics in a few different countries over the past two decades, that founders rarely get the movement they set out to create in the beginning...



What is most likely happening is that traditional Conservatives are coming to realize they've been duped into an anti-Constitutional, Globalist agenda.

Perhaps, but I think that the growing attitude of non-intervention from conservatives is based more in circumstance -- having a Democratic President put a great deal of his reputation on the line for Afghanistan, to say nothing of the troubles that the Iraq/Afghanistan missions have caused domestically and internationally, is more likely to be the cause of the souring among the conservative base. Had McCain won, I doubt conservatives would be quite so critical of the Afghan mission today, although this might be a blessing in disguise for us now!

[YumYum]

On the other side of the coin, being Pro-Israel doesn't make you a Neocon either. Come on.

I'm Pro-Israel; I am anti-Israeli government policies. I'm Pro-America; I am anti-American government policies.

Like all neocons, Beck supports the Israeli government's policies. While I continually watch him repeatedly bash our current government's leadership, I have never seen him bash the Israeli government's leadership.

[Jack Bauer]

As bad as it can be, am I the only one praying that the neocons lose another election terribly to Obama and the GOP realizes that the neocons are not the way to go?

[thehunter]

I think many American conservatives are just a tad gun-shy at criticizing Israel as they're the best thing the Middle East has going right now, and it's not like they're suffering from a lack of criticism (most of it unwarrented0 from the left/Muslim world anyway.

[YumYum]

As bad as it can be, am I the only one praying that the neocons lose another election terribly to Obama and the GOP realizes that the neocons are not the way to go?

I would like to see the GOP wake up, but outside of Ron Paul supporters, all of the GOP is neocons.

[FrankRep]

Like all neocons, Beck supports the Israeli government's policies. While I continually watch him repeatedly bash our current government's leadership, I have never seen him bash the Israeli government's leadership.

How exactly is Glenn Beck a Neocon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106) besides the fact he supports Israel?

[jclay2]

How exactly is Glenn Beck a Neocon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106) besides the fact he supports Israel?

Maybe the fact that he is opposed to any withdrawal in our current foreign interventions.

[00_Pete]

Glenn Beck hasn't been playing the left/right game, he's going after the big boys!


Amazing:

Glenn Beck Recapitulates The John Birch Society
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6372-glenn-beck-recapitulates-the-john-birch-society

Glenn Beck Discovers Carroll Quigley (and the false left/right paradigm)
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6441-beck-uses-quigley-quote-about-political-parties

Glenn Beck Discovers 'Philip Dru: Administrator' by Edward Mandell House
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6405-glenn-beck-discovers-philip-dru-administrator

Glenn Beck Zeros In on CFR's Role in Media Bias
http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6412-glenn-beck-zeroes-in-on-cfrs-role-in-press-bias

Glenn Beck: History Vindicated Joe McCarthy
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3876-glenn-beck-history-vindicated-joe-mccarthy

Beck's Founders' Fridays Attempts to Undo Revisionists' Damage
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3678-becks-founders-fridays-attempts-to-undo-revisionists-damage

Very nice. Thanks. I also read somewhere he praised the great, late Cleon Skoussen another good sign.


He is trying to trick Libertarians into becoming neocons

The "neocon" is starting to sound like the leftist "You are racist!" :rolleyes:

[FrankRep]

Maybe the fact that he is opposed to any withdrawal in our current foreign interventions.

Still doesn't make him a Neocon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106).

[YumYum]

How exactly is Glenn Beck a Neocon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106) besides the fact he supports Israel?

He supports the Israeli government's policies, which is war, war, war with Iran. So, he supports Israel; no big deal. I love some of the Israeli people; I support Israel, I support America. Supporting the Israeli government's policies and supporting Israel are two different things. He never challenges, questions or condemns the Israeli government, just like all neocons do. To the neocon, the Israeli government never does anything wrong, ever!!!

It doesn't make sense. Liberty people don't trust any government, especially America, but they are supposed to trust the Israeli government unconditionally? Only the neocons do that.

[YumYum]

The "neocon" is starting to sound like the leftist "You are racist!" :rolleyes:

Maybe to you, but not to me.

[FrankRep]

He supports the Israeli government's policies, which is war, war, war with Iran.

I've pointed out before that being a Warmonger and supporting Israel doesn't make you a Neocon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106).

[jclay2]

I've pointed out before that being a Warmonger and supporting Israel doesn't make you a Neocon (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106).

So what is beck than? A mainstream republican?

[BlackSand]

Makes you a typical American.

[FrankRep]

So what is beck than? A mainstream republican?
He's becoming more of a Constitutionalist except on Foreign Policy and Non-interventionism matters. Hopefully he'll continue to grow as a more principled Constitutionalist.

[YumYum]

He's becoming more of a Constitutionalist except on Foreign Policy and Non-interventionism matters. Hopefully he'll continue to grow as a more principled Constitutionalist.

That is a what makes him a neocon. Saying he is a "Constitutionalist", except on Foreign Policy and Non-interventionism, is a theme and contradiction. That is like saying "That man over there is a Christian, except he doesn't believe in Jesus."

Here are the 17 points outlining what a neocons believe from Ron Paul's 2003 speech "Neo-CONNED!" I have italicized and put in bold what Beck adheres to.

: "More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hardball politics is a moral necessity.
5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill advised.
11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party."



http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm

[FrankRep]

That is a what makes him a neocon.

Irving Kristol created the Neocon philosophy. How does Irving Kristol define Neoconservatism (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106)?

[00_Pete]

That is a what makes him a neocon. Saying he is a "Constitutionalist", except on Foreign Policy and Non-interventionism, is a theme and contradiction. That is like saying "That man over there is a Christian, except he doesn't believe in Jesus."

Here are the 17 points outlining what a neocons believe from Ron Paul's 2003 speech "Neo-CONNED!" I have italicized and put in bold what Beck adheres to.

: "More important than the names of people affiliated with neo-conservatism are the views they adhere to. Here is a brief summary of the general understanding of what neocons believe:

1. They agree with Trotsky on permanent revolution, violent as well as intellectual.
2. They are for redrawing the map of the Middle East and are willing to use force to do so.
3. They believe in preemptive war to achieve desired ends.
4. They accept the notion that the ends justify the means—that hardball politics is a moral necessity.
5. They express no opposition to the welfare state.
6. They are not bashful about an American empire; instead they strongly endorse it.
7. They believe lying is necessary for the state to survive.
8. They believe a powerful federal government is a benefit.
9. They believe pertinent facts about how a society should be run should be held by the elite and withheld from those who do not have the courage to deal with it.
10. They believe neutrality in foreign affairs is ill advised.
11. They hold Leo Strauss in high esteem.
12. They believe imperialism, if progressive in nature, is appropriate.
13. Using American might to force American ideals on others is acceptable. Force should not be limited to the defense of our country.
14. 9-11 resulted from the lack of foreign entanglements, not from too many.
15. They dislike and despise libertarians (therefore, the same applies to all strict constitutionalists.)
16. They endorse attacks on civil liberties, such as those found in the Patriot Act, as being necessary.
17. They unconditionally support Israel and have a close alliance with the Likud Party."



http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2003/cr071003.htm

Beck retreated from most of those. He is totally for dismantling the US "empire" and adopt a "just dont mess with us" military policy and with military budget cuts. I remember watching a show with him with some guy from the Cato Institute and he clearly stated that this is his new way of thinking and even admiting he is almost on the Ron Paul camp.

If you see a Libertarian in Noam Chomsky you cant see the growing libertarian in Beck. And you are paranoied with neocons...really...

[YumYum]

Irving Kristol created the Neocon philosophy. How does Irving Kristol define Neoconservatism (http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=257106)?

I posted some info a month ago I dug up on how the neocons came into existence.
I can only pull up posts going back 8 pages, so finding it will take some time, and I have to go to bed. Some of the info I drew from was from the book: "They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons".

I read the article you provided and there is more to the story. I would like to continue this discussion.

http://www.amazon.com/They-Knew-Were-Right-Neocons/dp/0385511817

[low preference guy]

I posted some info a month ago I dug up on how the neocons came into existence.
I can only pull up posts going back 8 pages, so finding it will take some time, and I have to go to bed. Some of the info I drew from was from the book: "They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons".

I read the article you provided and there is more to the story. I would like to continue this discussion.

http://www.amazon.com/They-Knew-Were-Right-Neocons/dp/0385511817

find yourself in google. search for ronpaulfourms yumyum and a few words you said on that post or thread.

[FrankRep]

They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons

http://www.amazon.com/They-Knew-Were-Right-Neocons/dp/0385511817

I found a Book Review on the NY Times about it.

They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons - Jacob Heilbrunn - Book Review
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/books/review/Noah-t.html

When I get a chance, I'll read through it. Sounds intriguing.

[YumYum]

find yourself in google. search for ronpaulfourms yumyum and a few words you said on that post or thread.

Thanks! That saved a lot of time. Here are two post I found and I put together. I have a couple of others I will find tomorrow.

From the post:http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=252444&page=2

Ann Coulter vs. Bill Kristol: Beginnings of a Conservative Schism ...

Bill Kristol's father was Irving Kristol, the founder of the neocon movement. During WWII, while Americans were dying overseas, the young Irving Kristol and his communist Zionist friends (all of which got out of the draft), would spend hours debating the virtues of Trotsky communism verses Stalinist communism in the coffee houses of New York City. These Zionist communists (also known as "Trotsky's Kids) ended up being the "victims" of the McCarthy investigations of the early 1950's. The children of the Trotsky Kids, who were appalled at the government's treatment of their parents and their parent's communist friends, enrolled in Berkley and put freedom of speech to the test. All seemed to go well until Trotsky's "grand kids" found LSD/marijuana and unlimited amounts of sex with shiksas. They let their hair grow out and gave up shaving and soap. They became hippies. Their parents (the Irving Kristol gang), were absolutely appalled at their newly enlightened children's behavior. The Zionist parents threatened their kids to change their behavior; demanding them to stop the anti-war rhetoric; cut their hair; take a bath; finish their education, and settle down with a nice Zionist girl, or face being cut off financially. The hippies listened, did what they were told, and become BMW driving yuppies working on Wall Street. They were also the new neocons that cut a deal with Reagan. These former hippies are the same people that Reagan attacked while governor, by stating: “A hippie is someone who looks like Tarzan, walks like Jane, and smells like Cheetah”.

Bill Kristol avoided the Vietnam draft, just as his father had done, and yet he thinks nothing of sending me and others to our deaths in Iran.


Another point regarding the Kristol Gang. The "Death of the Hippie", which was sponsored by Trotsky's grand-kids, happened 1967, the same time as the Six Day War. Even though war protests continued on Universities throughout this country, the majority of Trotsky's grand-kids stopped the anti-war protests.

America had supported Israel in the Six Day War, much to the Israeli government's surprise, and the Israeli leaders immediately realized that they needed a "pro-war America"; not an "anti-war America". A "pro-war America" could provide military equipment (which we did), and even military support and intervention for Israel. An "anti-war America" was not on the agenda of the Zionist movement after the success of the Six Day War. After receiving the U.S. government's 100% unconditional support for the Six Day War, Israel had to stop the anti-war rhetoric that was sweeping America. Say "goodbye" to the anti-war Trotsky grand-kids. Trotsky's grand-kids now loved war.

Because the Democrats had a strong anti-war platform (with the exception of Humphrey, who did change in time), the Trotsky grand-kids (the friends of Bill Kristol), sabotaged the Democratic Convention in 1968, using the anti-war platform as an excuse to make sure that the Democratic Party was split and would not win the election. Too many Democrats were against the war, and the Kristol Gang needed a man in office that would keep the war going in Vietnam. By doing this, the U.S. under Nixon, sent billions of dollars in free military weaponry to Israel to suppress any 'Soviet threat". Nixon gave financial aid to Israel, and the United States has given aid to Israel every year since then, even though "financial aid" had always been given previously to other countries who were in distress on a "one-time basis".

Nixon opened the door for the neocons to gain power. Nixon loved and respected the Israelis, but didn't like American Jews; thus upsetting many Jews in America. Once the neocons had a strong foothold, Nixon was useless and discarded, and Ronald Reagan became their next target: "A man", declared one Zionist neocon, "that you could reason with."

Please read "They Knew They Were Right: The Rise of the Neocons" by Jacob Heilbrunn.

Heilbrunn exposes the whole neocon conspiracy, and he can't be called an "anti-Semite" because he himself is a devout Jew.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/ima...283155&s=books

[BlackSand]

Why does everyone believe that their form of libertarianism is the only form? And that if someone doesnt completely agree with you, then there not a libertarian?

I think that logic is part of the reason the libertarian party has so few numbers.