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K466
08-13-2010, 11:08 AM
Let's compile a list of the freedoms we've lost under Obama. I'll add your ideas to this list as y'all think of stuff.

Here's our list so far:


The health care mandate
New TSA procedures (http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978877569) implemented
Obama claims power to assassinate American citizens (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/08/olbermann/index.html)
Violation of Email privacy without Warrant (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/index.html?story=/opinion/greenwald/2010/04/15/doj)
Your driveway not your property (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2013150,00.html)

djdellisanti4
08-13-2010, 11:27 AM
No longer needing a trial to be executed?

Because of the whole assasination thing.

amy31416
08-13-2010, 11:29 AM
Privacy in personal e-mail.

aravoth
08-13-2010, 11:32 AM
apparently it's ok to threaten a 15 year old prisoner with rape to get some information.

K466
08-13-2010, 11:41 AM
Privacy in personal e-mail.

Could you give more detail?

I'm hoping to cite how we specifically lost these freedoms under Obama, if possible.

amy31416
08-13-2010, 12:07 PM
Could you give more detail?

I'm hoping to cite how we specifically lost these freedoms under Obama, if possible.

Here's some links:

http://lsdimension.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/obama-doj-yahoo-battle-over-e-mail-privacy/

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/emailprivacy/


The legal dust-up, unsealed late Tuesday, concerns a 1986 law that already allows the government to obtain a suspect’s e-mail from an ISP or webmail provider without a probable-cause warrant, once it’s been stored for 180 days or more. The government now contends it can get e-mail under 180-days old if that e-mail has been read by the owner, and the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment protections don’t apply.

Read More http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/emailprivacy/#ixzz0wVimkcNY

K466
08-13-2010, 12:17 PM
Here's some links:

http://lsdimension.wordpress.com/2010/04/15/obama-doj-yahoo-battle-over-e-mail-privacy/

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/04/emailprivacy/

Thanks!

I wasn't aware of this one, for some reason. Now I'm angry (again).

Stary Hickory
08-13-2010, 12:30 PM
Yes the email one went largely unnoticed here no these boards and I could not figure out why.

LibertarianfromGermany
08-13-2010, 12:32 PM
apparently it's ok to threaten a 15 year old prisoner with rape to get some information.

hm? When did that happen?

amy31416
08-13-2010, 12:47 PM
hm? When did that happen?

http://motherjones.com/rights-stuff/2010/05/guantanamo-gitmo-child-detainee-rape

Judge admitted his "confession."

Kregisen
01-14-2011, 11:44 PM
Bump....I'm sure there are a half dozen more to add to the list.

Philhelm
01-14-2011, 11:46 PM
TSA groping.

Also, didn't the No Fly List start under this current administration?

cindy25
01-15-2011, 12:00 AM
Bush was responsible for most of what has been mentioned (health care mandate excepted)

kah13176
01-15-2011, 12:53 AM
Higher taxes = fewer rights to private property.

Pauls' Revere
01-15-2011, 02:48 AM
Cell phones and all information therein contained is searchable if you are arrested.

Stary Hickory
01-15-2011, 03:03 AM
Working on attacking the internet the recent FCC illegal power grab. And Obama's plan with the commerce department further intrudes on the internet.

Something that is working flawlessly and every American has access to.....once government gets involved it will barely work and will cost a fortune...and will be declared a national crisis.

teacherone
01-15-2011, 06:07 AM
your driveway is no longer private property-

''Government agents can sneak onto your property in the middle of the night, put a GPS device on the bottom of your car and keep track of everywhere you go. This doesn't violate your Fourth Amendment rights, because you do not have any reasonable expectation of privacy in your own driveway — and no reasonable expectation that the government isn't tracking your movements.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2013150,00.html

Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
By Kim Zetter October 7, 2010 | 10:13 pm | Categories: Surveillance
A California student got a visit from the FBI this week after he found a secret GPS tracking device on his car, and a friend posted photos of it online. The post prompted wide speculation about whether the device was real, whether the young Arab-American was being targeted in a terrorism investigation and what the authorities would do.

It took just 48 hours to find out: The device was real, the student was being secretly tracked and the FBI wanted its expensive device back, the student told Wired.com in an interview Wednesday.

The answer came when half-a-dozen FBI agents and police officers appeared at Yasir Afifi’s apartment complex in Santa Clara, California, on Tuesday demanding he return the device.

Afifi, a 20-year-old U.S.-born citizen, cooperated willingly and said he’d done nothing to merit attention from authorities. Comments the agents made during their visit suggested he’d been under FBI surveillance for three to six months.

An FBI spokesman wouldn’t acknowledge that the device belonged to the agency or that agents appeared at Afifi’s house.

“I can’t really tell you much about it, because it’s still an ongoing investigation,” said spokesman Pete Lee, who works in the agency’s San Francisco headquarters.

Afifi, the son of an Islamic-American community leader who died a year ago in Egypt, is one of only a few people known to have found a government-tracking device on their vehicle.

His discovery comes in the wake of a recent ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals saying it’s legal for law enforcement to secretly place a tracking device on a suspect’s car without getting a warrant, even if the car is parked in a private driveway.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/10/fbi-tracking-device/

Travlyr
01-15-2011, 06:34 AM
You are giving President Obama far too much credit. His agenda is Agenda 21. The powers-that-be march onward while their media minions keep the people divided between left/right, liberal/conservative, Democrat/Republican.

K466
01-27-2011, 12:23 PM
Bump....I'm sure there are a half dozen more to add to the list.

Yep- thanks.


TSA groping.

Also, didn't the No Fly List start under this current administration?

The TSA- yes. I thought the no fly list came during Bush's reign?


Bush was responsible for most of what has been mentioned (health care mandate excepted)

Is that referring to the comments or the original post?


Higher taxes = fewer rights to private property.

True, but that didn't start under Obama.


Cell phones and all information therein contained is searchable if you are arrested.

Can you get me some links to go with that?


Working on attacking the internet the recent FCC illegal power grab. And Obama's plan with the commerce department further intrudes on the internet.

Good one... If someone could help me out with supportive links that'd be great.


your driveway is no longer private property-

:mad::(:mad::(:mad:

Excellent for the list... thanks.

wormyguy
01-27-2011, 12:24 PM
You can't buy drinks containing both alcohol and caffeine.

sailingaway
01-27-2011, 12:26 PM
Indefinite preventative detention...