American Thinker: How A GOP November Victory Could Bring Its Death

[ronpaulhawaii]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/08/how_a_gop_november_victory_cou.html


If the GOP gains control of one or both Houses of Congress in the November midterm elections, and then does not make good on its promises to reverse and counter the Democrats' socialist agenda, we could hear the death knell that signals the end of the Grand Old Party.

The wisdom of the conventional response to conservatives who threaten, out of frustration, to align with a third party is well-established by...

[Matt Collins]

I am worried that it'll be a repeat of the 1996-2008 time period

[South Park Fan]

Of course, unless liberty candidates make up enough of a block to stop either party from passing their nonsense, and even then we would be hopeless against "bipartisanship". Of course the GOP is going to go back to being big government again, and then they'll abuse power and be voted out, and then the Democrats will go back to being big government and abusing power, and so on.

[JohnEngland]

I am worried that it'll be a repeat of the 1996-2008 time period

Now seems to be different though. I don't think the Tea Party will allow itself to be absorbed by the Republican party. There's no central authority and it's a completely localised movement - it's kinda like a free-market of conservative and libertarian ideas.

Controlling that will be hard and too many people are waking up and getting educated. There's no going back once you know the truth.

Also, the internet was quite new in the 1990s. Today, technology changes the game. People can connect, communicate, research and learn like never before!

[Stary Hickory]

The GOP gets one more shot at this, and yea if they do it wrong they are done. But then again if they do it wrong the US as we know it is done anyways and we will more than likely have secessions and default state sovereignty for many states.

I think the GOP knows it cannot do what it did before, America is hurting in large part because of the what THEY did. It does nto matter that the alternative party is worse, not anymore either the GOp does the right thing or the government will be abolished piecemeal.

[Rael]

Well, they better keep their promises then.

[Andrew-Austin]

If the GOP gains control of one or both Houses of Congress in the November midterm elections, and then does not make good on its promises to reverse and counter the Democrats' socialist agenda, we could hear the death knell that signals the end of the Grand Old Party.

LOL, well I look forward to the death of the GOP then.

[ctiger2]

I am worried that it'll be a repeat of the 1996-2008 time period

Impossible. The economic collapse that's under way won't allow that.

[Pericles]

Now seems to be different though. I don't think the Tea Party will allow itself to be absorbed by the Republican party. There's no central authority and it's a completely localised movement - it's kinda like a free-market of conservative and libertarian ideas.

Controlling that will be hard and too many people are waking up and getting educated. There's no going back once you know the truth.

Also, the internet was quite new in the 1990s. Today, technology changes the game. People can connect, communicate, research and learn like never before!

This. Because of the structure of the movement (or more accurate to say lack thereof), there is nobody that constitutes a leader who can be dragged into the back room and be tempted to make a deal that compromises fundamental principles.

[Lucille]

I wish the GOP and the Dems would both go the way of the Whigs. I think they're on the right track about the GOP though. Not much will change.


The next important support level of $14 trillion will be surpassed around the time the Democrats get destroyed in the mid-term elections, while the statutory debt limit of $14.3 trillion will likely have to be raised in January 2011 by a new republican majority, an action which will promptly reduce popular republican support following their landslide election victory, thus starting the pointless D->R->D->R etc cycle all over again (http://www.zerohedge.com/article/america-will-pass-13-trillion-total-debt-next-tuesday-397-billion-debt-rolled-month-date).

I pray Celente is right about that 2012 third party "internet candidate (http://www.bullsource.com/gerald-celente-predicts-tax-increases-2012-internet-candidate/)." (Hopefully it's Ron!) I just don't know how we can break the two-headed one party system's back. And the electorate seems pretty wedded to the TEAM RED TEAM BLUE BS.

Martin Armstrong's (http://economicedge.blogspot.com/2009/09/martin-armstrong-public-v-private-waves.html) cycle theory pegs it at 2013 for civil unrest and 2016 for the economic implosion (and 2085 for an outright bloody revolution). So, we'll see... In the meantime, we'll be girding our loins!

[Stary Hickory]

The GOP can be dealt with, liberty is coming to America and those who choose here whether the GOP or the Democrats want it or not. The days of forcing unconstitutional legislation on the unwilling are coming to an end.

[Matt Collins]

Now seems to be different though. I don't think the Tea Party will allow itself to be absorbed by the Republican party. Yes and no. Some will go along with it, others won't.

[Southron]

As long as the economy is bad the Republicans won't get a pass if they do so the same ole stuff.

All most people care about are their paychecks-liberty be damned. So now is our chance.

The left is right about never letting a crisis go to waste and we should adopt the same principle.

[jmdrake]

I am worried that it'll be a repeat of the 1996-2008 time period

GOP gains both houses...Obama starts playing ball with "Clintonesque" promises like "welfare reform"....Michelle complains of a "vast right wing conspiracy" with regards to birthergate...the equivalent of the "blue dress" comes out (Obama's Kenyan birth certificate, Larry Sinclair's seaman stained t-shirt, Barry's crack pipe with his DNA on it, take your pick)....the GOP thinks "We'll destroy him on this" and they start impeachment proceedings which are doomed to fail because they lack the 2/3rds majority needed in the senate...all of the unfocused venom makes gullible voters feel sorry for him, plus the economy improves a bit and the GOP nominates a ridiculously sorry candidate (Mitt Romney) leading to an Obama 2012 victory..when the smoke clears and the dust settles on the Obama administration the American people are finally ready for a puppet from the other wing of the RepubliCrat party and Jeb Bush / Palin beat the Biden / Hillary (or Hillary / Biden) ticket in 2016. Months later we have the next 9/11 attack (this time its a nuke) and now Americans gladly give up whatever freedoms they have left.

Eh...possible. But we're the wildcard to stop all of that. ;)

[silentshout]

This of course assumes the GOP does make gains in the midterms. Counting chickens before they hatch..

Yes, they most likely will, as people are not happy with the Dems in Congress or Obama, but the Democrats thought this would happen in the 2002 midterms and it didn't. I remember being a young Dem at that time and being in shock, just as I was in 2004 when bush won re -election. This was because i spent most of my time around people who thought the same way as me, and read articles and discussion boards that supported my views. Of course, in 2002, W was much more popular than Obama is now and 9/11 was still very fresh in people's minds, but still, it went against what many pundits thought would happen.

I agree with everyone, of course, who says that if the GOP wins in 2010 are just more business as usual, and not truly for smaller government, it will be the death of that party. But is this bad? We desperately need a third, and honestly, more parties to really change things in this country. I am here because i support candidates like Ron, not because i am part of the GOP...honestly i don't think i could ever join that party unless they drop the neocon/endless war/culture war thing for good.

[erowe1]

These predictions of the death of one of the two major parties that we hear volleyed back and forth election after election are silly. Fifteen months ago we were told the GOP was already reduced to a permanent minority. Now they still will die, but only after they become the majority again first and then do the same thing they did the last time they were a majority and the time before that?

We have a two-party system by design and the deck is pretty strongly stacked to keep it that way. Those parties both naturally evolve over time as each tries to eat into the other's support in a never ending give and take. When one party gets too much of a majority its base drives it further from the political center, allowing the other party to move toward the center and retake the majority. When that happens voters don't care or remember getting burned by that party 8 years prior or whatever.

[YumYum]

Right. The GOP will turn everything around in two years. Each Party wins the next election, not based on their outstanding credentials, but on how bad a job the other Party has done. This whole political battle is nothing more than a blame game.

If the GOP stops the $1 trillion we give away in foreign welfare, I will be impressed, otherwise they are no different then the Democrats. At least the democrats want to give welfare to their fellow Americans, and not ungrateful, unappreciative foreigners.

[Fredom101]

I look forward to the death of both parties. Can't they just die already?

[jmdrake]

This of course assumes the GOP does make gains in the midterms. Counting chickens before they hatch..

Yes, they most likely will, as people are not happy with the Dems in Congress or Obama, but the Democrats thought this would happen in the 2002 midterms and it didn't. I remember being a young Dem at that time and being in shock, just as I was in 2004 when bush won re -election. This was because i spent most of my time around people who thought the same way as me, and read articles and discussion boards that supported my views. Of course, in 2002, W was much more popular than Obama is now and 9/11 was still very fresh in people's minds, but still, it went against what many pundits thought would happen.

I agree with everyone, of course, who says that if the GOP wins in 2010 are just more business as usual, and not truly for smaller government, it will be the death of that party. But is this bad? We desperately need a third, and honestly, more parties to really change things in this country. I am here because i support candidates like Ron, not because i am part of the GOP...honestly i don't think i could ever join that party unless they drop the neocon/endless war/culture war thing for good.

You must not have been paying attention to the actual polls then. Bush's approval rating was at 65% at the time of the 2002 elections.

http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

Realize that this was before the Iraq war and after the Afghanistan war. Yeah the economy was suffering, but everyone blamed the "tech bubble" as well as the 9/11 attacks themselves. Anyone who thought the GOP was going to lose either house was engaging in wishful thinking. By contrast Obama's numbers are in the toilet.

I was a democrat in 2002 also. And I was hoping to make bigger gains in the midterms. I was also seriously questioning 9/11 by that point. But I don't recall anyone other than super hardcore dems thinking the GOP was going to lose. 2004 was a different story. Kerry should have won that. Not that it would have made any difference.

[paulitics]

The GOP will take back control, then use their "mandate" to expand the wars, and police state, while forgetting about the campaign promises that got them in power. The people will quickly get sick of them, and the democrats will campaign on reducing government power and will regain control. They will use their "mandate" to expand the socialist state, while forgetting about the campaign promises they made before.

Wash, rinse and repeat. Instead of every 8 years, the change will come every four years, or even 2 years.

Unless the tea parties right now demand that the GOP cut government in all areas, including foreign policy, and restore the all of the constitution it will be no different than a dog chasing its tail.

I do think though that a new party will arise, and it isn't the tea party, but it will be an informed voter party and is coming soon. It may very well be born right on these forums.

[Noob]

They just pick up were they left off after Bush, pass more anti-terror , Anti-freedom,anti-liberty laws..

[YumYum]

..."informed voter party" and is coming soon. It may very well be born right on these forums.

"The Informed Voter Party." That has a nice ring to it.

[Southron]

If we make significant gains within the GOP, the party might survive.

Every time the pendulum swings back towards the R side we must grab more seats.