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TheBlackPeterSchiff
08-10-2010, 08:10 PM
Seriously. 22% of republicans!!

4 years ago he would have been lucky to get 1%.

We are making progress...be it a slow, be it a little late....but we are making it. Plenty of these voters have been educated and exposed to views that they otherwise would have never. Im sad because I put a lot of time and money into this campaign. I had never donated to any political campaign in my life but I felt motivated with Schiff and the cause.

jake
08-10-2010, 08:11 PM
money well spent IF a candidate like Schiff (Or Schiff himself) runs again next time.

K466
08-10-2010, 08:15 PM
You’re right we did accomplish something, but it’s rather disappointing that the best candidate of 2010 looses. It’s the media’s fault for being unfair. They failed to acknowledge he was in the race.

Michael P
08-10-2010, 08:15 PM
...and he went from 5% at the convention to 22% in the primary.


Peter didn't lose.... he just ran out of time.

libertybrewcity
08-10-2010, 08:19 PM
money well spent IF a candidate like Schiff (Or Schiff himself) runs again next time.

Really, the best candidate of 2010.

I am very disappointed.:(:mad:

Kludge
08-10-2010, 08:19 PM
Peter Schiff is a libertarian? Amash is probably more libertarian than Schiff and won with little concerted effort by RPFs.

Frankly, I'm glad it's over so we can focus on the viable candidates.

libertybrewcity
08-10-2010, 08:19 PM
...and he went from 5% at the convention to 22% in the primary.


Peter didn't lose.... he just ran out of time.

This was an excellent accomplishment. If the stupid establishment wouldn't have blocked his way, the people would have spoken with their votes, probably more so for Schiff.

low preference guy
08-10-2010, 08:21 PM
You’re right we did accomplish something, but it’s rather disappointing that the best candidate of 2010 looses. It’s the media’s fault for being unfair. They failed to acknowledge he was in the race.

They fail to even hold debates.

In KY, Rand and Trey had like 5 debates, and probably more than 30 Lincoln dinner appearances.

In backward CT, they wouldn't even call out Linda for refusing to debate. They debated only once when no one was paying attention.

JenH88
08-10-2010, 08:25 PM
agreed! :D

my exact sentiments from the other thread.


22% with a media blackout and vs $22 million? F*CK YES!

We are getting somewhere with our message! Leaps and bounds.. seriously...

Hope Schiff doesn't give up on us, run again!

A huge win for liberty here tonight! :D

brenden.b
08-10-2010, 08:30 PM
Peter Schiff is a libertarian? Amash is probably more libertarian than Schiff and won with little concerted effort by RPFs.

Frankly, I'm glad it's over so we can focus on the viable candidates.

Well said, Kludge.

Come on guys, we all knew that Peter had the world stacked against him and even if he won the primary, he would have had one hell of a climb to beat Blumenthal.

Rather than blaming the "ignorant masses", let's focus our attention on what we can do better and what we have learned from this election. It wasn't all the media's fault and it wasn't all the state of Connecticut's fault.

Elections are not all about winning, they are about changing the environment in which the political class operates. And guess what, my friends, Peter Schiff's 22% was a huge victory for the Liberty movement. His 20,000+ votes are in the name in of Liberty and should not be taken lightly. Yes, it would have been great if Peter would have won, but don't you see the incredible advancements we have made as a movement? We are inching the Republican Party to our philosophy and everytime we have a legitimate candidate challenge an establishment opponent, or maybe two like Peter, we are making progress.

Legend1104
08-10-2010, 08:32 PM
4 years ago, I wouldn't have cared.

low preference guy
08-10-2010, 08:35 PM
Frankly, I'm glad it's over so we can focus on the viable candidates.

It's not over. This is just the beginning. We can rest tonight, so tomorrow we can start planning for SCHIFF 2012!!!!

brenden.b
08-10-2010, 08:38 PM
It's not over. This is just the beginning. We can rest tonight, so tomorrow we can start planning for SCHIFF 2012!!!!

Love the enthusiasm. I'd love to see Schiff take out Lieberman.

XxNeXuSxX
08-10-2010, 08:43 PM
Well said, Kludge.

Rather than blaming the "ignorant masses", let's focus our attention on what we can do better and what we have learned from this election. It wasn't all the media's fault and it wasn't all the state of Connecticut's fault.



90% of voters are the ignorant mass (See here (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2004/08/30/040830crat_atlarge), a fantastic article). These results on say we've improved on educating the voters, or we've swayed some of the ignorant mass to a more appealing message despite obstacles (both very impressive).

The mass of course is not to blame, but the people in the 10% who are working on self-interest measures through parties have controlled the mass better. Once they use the billions of dollars through networks to get their exposure, all they need is a "go out and vote" campaign to win any type of election; precisely why Linda is afraid of low turnouts.

AlienLanes82
08-10-2010, 08:45 PM
I think the OP makes a good point - there has been something of a transformation in parts of the culture. At very least liberty-leaning candidates are finding ways to make themselves viable.

My sense as an outsider is that the campaign made some serious mistakes, didn't do a good job of introducing the candidate, and waited far too late for the big push. I also thought that Peter had some problems coming across to voters and media as likable and informed, as opposed to cocksure and condescending.

That said, I don't know much about the facts on the ground so my interpretation may be made on misunderstandings. (Although I'm confident that my interpretation of people's reaction to the candidate is correct in significant part).

Legend1104
08-10-2010, 08:46 PM
The masses are the enemy because they keep these people in power

YouTube - ‪Matrix is a system‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXQozTxQSiE)

YouTube - ‪V for Vendetta Speech‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY)

AJ Antimony
08-10-2010, 09:21 PM
I actually think Peter wins this election if there wasn't any McMahon (meaning McMahon's money).

Linda bought this election, and neither Schiff or Simmons saw her coming. This was supposed to be an establishment Simmons vs. a Tea Partier Schiff. But McMahon came out of nowhere and with $20 million bought the election. There's just nothing you can do to counter that.

Schiff went from like 5% to 20+% which is incredible. That's enough to wonder that if Simmons fully dropped out, maybe Peter would be around 40-50%.

Anyway, maybe Schiff will challenge Leiberman

justinc.1089
08-10-2010, 09:23 PM
The masses are the enemy because they keep these people in power

YouTube - ‪Matrix is a system‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MXQozTxQSiE)

YouTube - ‪V for Vendetta Speech‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chqi8m4CEEY)

I agree with you. I have to clarify though- its not the people themselves that are the enemy, its their apathy and/ or ignorance. Once they learn, and find courage to take action, they are then an ally.

And thats why education of the masses is the only long-term solution for liberty to be achieved.


Edit:

Also, getting close to a quarter of the vote where Schiff is at is VERY impressive. It was bigger than I expected! I was figuring Schiff would end up with around 10%-15% honestly, and if that had of happened, I would have found that impressive too. But I didn't let those expectations make my support of Schiff faulter or make me want to do less to try to help him win.

Don't Tread on Mike
08-10-2010, 09:58 PM
*23%

brenden.b
08-10-2010, 10:04 PM
Education may be the long term solution, but the short term solution is using the system against those who created the system. We are not going to be able to educate or persuade a majority of people to our movement. It is going to take shaping of our message and playing the political game to result in political victories. Schiff's 22% is a victory in the sense that our ideas have received further exposure and have at least 22% of voting Republicans support in Connecticut. We have learned from Rand Paul and Justin Amash that our candidates can win with the right message. Combine those results and we might have a winning formula yet.