Texas Seceding from the Union is Inevitable

[TXcarlosTX]

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More than 250,000 Texans have joined forces with one goal in common: to see the state of Texas sucede from the union. The group is Texas Nationalist Movement, and the leader of that group works from the Nederland office.

Daniel Miller has been fighting for secession since 1996. He says the group has never been as close to their goal as they are right now.

Miller says, "The issue of secession, the issue of Independence has entered the mainstream dialogue and it's the first time in a very long time."

Miller describes the relationship between Texas and the federal government as a marriage, but says it's not a happy one. He says Texas plays the role of an abused spouse.

He says, "Now we stand at a decision. We have to say look do we go to counseling today, do we put up with this abuse from the federal government? Or do we go ahead and seek a political divorce from the federal government and the United States?"


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[sevin]

Sounds great so long as Rick Perry doesn't become its president.

[FrankRep]

Texas Nationalist Movement
http://www.TexasNationalist.com/

[Acala]

Let Texas go first - and then just when the Federal government is getting weary from fighting angry Texans, a bunch of other states can leave as well. Then she'll be finished and we can start with a clean slate, hopefully having learned a bit.

[TonySutton]

How will a new Texas deal with all of the immigrants from the North ;)

[FrankRep]

Arizona might want to consider Seceding as well. :)

KUHNER: Should Arizona secede? - Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/29/should-arizona-secede/

Will Bunch: Arizona Becoming First State to Secede From Union
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/will-bunch/arizona-becoming-1st-stat_b_545439.html

[FrankRep]

Ron Paul - Republic of Texas


YouTube - ‪Ron Paul - Republic of Texas‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2lmwg4eQ2s)

[djdellisanti4]

Ron Paul for President... of Texas.

I would probably try to move to Texas after college if this happened.

[Kylie]

Ron Paul for President... of Texas.

I would probably try to move to Texas after college if this happened.



From your lips, man!


I would pack my shit up today and move it I knew this would be the outcome.

[djdellisanti4]

Only concern is, how do we get Texas to adopt a better monetary policy than the US. Monetary policy is so far out of the minds of the typical voter that I'm not sure any changes would be made.

I spoke with a guy who was running for congress in my state during the Republican primary a few months ago. I asked him why he didn't include anything about monetary policy on his website and he said it was because, "Not enough people care."

Thats probably my first concern with what happens after secession (Next to being invaded ofcourse).

[Fredom101]

Well I just moved to TX temporarily so yes let's secede, then let's all secede individually. :)

[Andrew-Austin]

Only concern is, how do we get Texas to adopt a better monetary policy than the US. Monetary policy is so far out of the minds of the typical voter that I'm not sure any changes would be made.

I spoke with a guy who was running for congress in my state during the Republican primary a few months ago. I asked him why he didn't include anything about monetary policy on his website and he said it was because, "Not enough people care."

Thats probably my first concern with what happens after secession (Next to being invaded ofcourse).

Another concern would be how to make sure the new Texas didn't adopt mercantilist/protectionist economic policies in general.

Only thought of mentioning this because the Texas nationalist website said this:

"Promoting fair trade between Texas and other nations."

And I doubt what they mean by fair trade is what I want it to mean.

[djdellisanti4]

Another concern would be how to make sure the new Texas didn't adopt mercantilist/protectionist economic policies in general.

That too. The US might try to isolate them by getting all their allies to not trade with Texas

But there's always Cuba :)

[YumYum]

How will Texas remove Federal installations? Are we going to have Ft. Sumter all over again?

[Krugerrand]

Only concern is, how do we get Texas to adopt a better monetary policy than the US. Monetary policy is so far out of the minds of the typical voter that I'm not sure any changes would be made.

I spoke with a guy who was running for congress in my state during the Republican primary a few months ago. I asked him why he didn't include anything about monetary policy on his website and he said it was because, "Not enough people care."

Thats probably my first concern with what happens after secession (Next to being invaded ofcourse).

Monetary policy has to come first. A state has to nullify federal laws standing int he way of competing currency. The state must nullify tax codes that try and claim a capital gains tax on money exchange. Then, built on sound money, that state will have no choice but to part ways the collapsing US.

[CoreyBowen999]

Luckily Texas is very good at maintaining a budget and not passing too many bills lol. They can only meet like a few weeks out of the year.

[Krugerrand]

How will Texas remove Federal installations? Are we going to have Ft. Sumter all over again?

Ideally a negotiated exchange of FRNs.

[Acala]

How will Texas remove Federal installations? Are we going to have Ft. Sumter all over again?

You want your Federal installations back? Then Texans want the tax money back that paid for them. Or shall we call it even?

[Dr.3D]

How will Texas remove Federal installations? Are we going to have Ft. Sumter all over again?

Who gave the federal government permission to squat in Texas anyway? Perhaps it is as simple as letting those in the installations go back to where they came from. Of course, if they prefer, I suppose they could be deported.

[Slutter McGee]

Luckily Texas is very good at maintaining a budget and not passing too many bills lol. They can only meet like a few weeks out of the year.

What state do you live in lol? The Great State of Texas once recognized Albert DeSolvo for his unique contribution to population control.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[Noob]

Would they become an independent Republic agian? Or lose its independence to Mexico?

[YumYum]

You want your Federal installations back?

No


Then Texans want the tax money back that paid for them.

Sounds good


Or shall we call it even?

sure

[YumYum]

Would they become an independent Republic agian? Or lose its independence to Mexico?

I thought about that. Who will come to Texas' rescue if they resume the war of 1836? Texas probably would lose in a war against Mexico.

[Stary Hickory]

I hope Texas can manage it, I am a citizen of TX atm, and well that would be sweet if Texas could pull it off. And yea if texas knows what is good for it it would end state control over money.

[Schmitto2121]

I dont take any of these people seriously considering Debra Medina didn't receive 250,000 votes.

[TXcarlosTX]

YouTube - ‪Pee Wees Big Adventure Deep In The Heart of Texas‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QltlctqfY4E&feature=related)

[TonySutton]

I thought about that. Who will come to Texas' rescue if they resume the war of 1836? Texas probably would lose in a war against Mexico.

I do not think Mexico would risk losing more territory :P

I disagree that Texas would lose in a war against Mexico. Mexico has about 250,000 in their military, they have very little ability to move advanced air fields and last I heard the closest thing they had to a main battle tank is the Lynx. Not very impressive...

[erowe1]

I thought about that. Who will come to Texas' rescue if they resume the war of 1836? Texas probably would lose in a war against Mexico.

I doubt that. Mexicans would have a lot less incentive to make the sacrifices necessary to take over Texas than Texans would to make the sacrifices necessary to prevent that from happening.

[YumYum]

I do not think Mexico would risk losing more territory :P

I disagree that Texas would lose in a war against Mexico. Mexico has about 250,000 in their military, they have very little ability to move advanced air fields and last I heard the closest thing they had to a main battle tank is the Lynx. Not very impressive...

Yeah, but they have the Drug Lords and their privatized military who have been kicking our Federal government's butt! I predict the Drug Lords will take back Texas if it secedes.

[Stary Hickory]

If Texas became a libertarian free state Mexico would have to kill me to take that from me. I doubt I would be alone.

[Dr.3D]

Yeah, but they have the Drug Lords and their privatized military who have been kicking our Federal government's butt! I predict the Drug Lords will take back Texas if it secedes.

The federal governments butt has had it's hands tied for quite some time now. I doubt Texas would feel compelled to sit on it's hands should they feel they are being invaded. It would suddenly turn into a shooting war instead of a political war.

[CoreyBowen999]

Lol NO WAY would the drug lords take over Texas.

[TNforPaul45]

How will Texas remove Federal installations? Are we going to have Ft. Sumter all over again?

NOOOOOOOOOO! Don't mention ft. Sumpter! You have no idea how many pages of debate that will cause.


Shhhhhhhh!

[Fredom101]

I'm just curious why there is so much talk of Texas seceding, when right now elitist scumbag Rick Perry claims to be in charge. If Texas seceded with Rick Perry or someone of his ilk, it would be no different than what we have now. Unless the plan is to secede with someone like Ron Paul and a switzerland-style system with no one person "in charge", I'm afraid it would be a waste of time and energy.

[Stary Hickory]

I'm just curious why there is so much talk of Texas seceding, when right now elitist scumbag Rick Perry claims to be in charge. If Texas seceded with Rick Perry or someone of his ilk, it would be no different than what we have now. Unless the plan is to secede with someone like Ron Paul and a switzerland-style system with no one person "in charge", I'm afraid it would be a waste of time and energy.

Texas is much better off individually than the USA. No one expects secession will be the perfect answer, however decentralization and the tendency to abolish huge juggernaughts of organized force is a great step. Moreover people would have a choice to live free/freer if they chose. Additionally this could be a good start to really get the country back to it's Republic roots, which does keep centralized tyranny in check by using competing governments who vie for taxpayers.

It's not perfect but it is much better, if the US was run like Texas is now we would not even have income taxes. I would love to see Texas secede and other states too. We can all agree to defend as one but run our lives differently as we see fit. This is a more sane arrangement than what we have today.

Something has to give, it would be great if Texas would lead the way.

[Noob]

I do not think Mexico would risk losing more territory :P

I disagree that Texas would lose in a war against Mexico. Mexico has about 250,000 in their military, they have very little ability to move advanced air fields and last I heard the closest thing they had to a main battle tank is the Lynx. Not very impressive...
They dont need that 250k, they have probley countless of people in Texas that would gradly fight to get Texas to become part of Mexico, reclaming it from America.

[jmdrake]

I dont take any of these people seriously considering Debra Medina didn't receive 250,000 votes.

This. But it's possible that some of these people were snookered into voting for Rick Perry based on his phony secession talk. :(

[WhiteHaven]

I would move my family there tomorrow if I knew it would happen but as it stands right now we are moving north of there to South Dakota.

[nate895]

I'm just curious why there is so much talk of Texas seceding, when right now elitist scumbag Rick Perry claims to be in charge. If Texas seceded with Rick Perry or someone of his ilk, it would be no different than what we have now. Unless the plan is to secede with someone like Ron Paul and a switzerland-style system with no one person "in charge", I'm afraid it would be a waste of time and energy.

If the state seceded, they would do so in a special convention, and a convention of the people can do pretty much whatever it wants, so they could remove Rick Perry and replace with a horse if they so chose. Then the convention would simply have to be ratified by a super-majority of voters considering that acts in convention are constitutional acts.

[Vessol]

Yeah, but they have the Drug Lords and their privatized military who have been kicking our Federal government's butt! I predict the Drug Lords will take back Texas if it secedes.

It would depend on Texas's stance on prohibition of drugs.

As it stands now, I'm afraid that if Texas did secede, there would good be a good portion of morality voters whom would not wish to end prohibition even if it meant so much less violence and crime.

[TNforPaul45]

I thought about that. Who will come to Texas' rescue if they resume the war of 1836? Texas probably would lose in a war against Mexico.

Nobody will need to come to their rescue, but Tennessee will come to their aid!

[Vessol]

I thought about that. Who will come to Texas' rescue if they resume the war of 1836? Texas probably would lose in a war against Mexico.

I have a hard time imagining Texas losing a war against Mexico nowadays. Even during the War of Texas Independence, Texas held its ground well. Now with it's large and armed populace, they would have little to worry about an actual Mexican invasion.

[nate895]

I have a hard time imagining Texas losing a war against Mexico nowadays. Even during the War of Texas Independence, Texas held its ground well. Now with it's large and armed populace, they would have little to worry about an actual Mexican invasion.

Well, back in the day Texas had a whopping 30,000-40,000 people in the entire state; Mexico had around 5 million. The Texans managed to force a stalemate due to political instability in Mexico (Santa Ana was overthrown and reinstalled as dictator numerous times), not too dissimilar to modern times, where Texas now has around 25 million to Mexico's approximately 110 million. Texas has a lot greater odds today, especially considering Texas would have much better access to military equipment.

[tremendoustie]

Sounds great so long as Rick Perry doesn't become its president.

Sounds great regardless. I'd rather have 50 independent states, even if half of them are socialist. At least I get to choose to live someplace free. And it's hard to imagine Perry being worse than Obama, Bush, Peloci, et all.

[Fredom101]

Sounds great regardless. I'd rather have 50 independent states, even if half of them are socialist. At least I get to choose to live someplace free. And it's hard to imagine Perry being worse than Obama, Bush, Peloci, et all.

He's no better or worse.
Perry is an establishment shill.

[Stary Hickory]

If texas needs help Ill grab my m14 EBR

[james1906]

I'm open to the idea, but don't want to go through immigration across the Sabine to go gambling.

[Andrew-Austin]

I dont take any of these people seriously considering Debra Medina didn't receive 250,000 votes.

Guy has a point, people give Texas too much credit.

[nate895]

Guy has a point, people give Texas too much credit.

Texas elects Ron Paul to Congress. Period. End of story.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Texas elects Ron Paul to Congress. Period. End of story.

There are many Ron Paul types elected to State Houses around the country. Personally, I would rather live in NH, than TX (NHLA > anything else any other state has for electoral politics). Then again, if Texas seceedes all those who plan on moving to TX because of it, be prepared to be stopped and detained -- they don't like immigration, remember? :D

[Andrew-Austin]

Texas elects Ron Paul to Congress. Period. End of story.

One district elects Ron Paul to Congress. It isn't known how many people in that district are really libertarians or libertarian leaning, it isn't known what percentage of them merely vote for the the "(R)" incumbent name that they happen to recognize and have a vague but positive impression of.

[nate895]

One district elects Ron Paul to Congress. It isn't known how many people in that district are really libertarians or libertarian leaning, it isn't known what percentage of them merely vote for the the "(R)" incumbent name that they happen to recognize and have a vague but positive impression of.

Ron Paul won over 70% against the relatively well-financed (at least for a challenger within a party) Chris Peden, and 80% in his last primary.

[djdellisanti4]

I was just thinking of how this situation might become similar to the Alamo.

Texas secedes.

The controlling nation looks to take them over.

Many Americans go to Texas to help them fight for independence.

Hopefully the outcome will be similar in that Texas will win the war, if there is one.

[Pericles]

There are many Ron Paul types elected to State Houses around the country. Personally, I would rather live in NH, than TX (NHLA > anything else any other state has for electoral politics). Then again, if Texas seceedes all those who plan on moving to TX because of it, be prepared to be stopped and detained -- they don't like immigration, remember? :D

We'll give green cards to people who own weapons that would be banned in a communist state.

[MikeStanart]

We'll give green cards to people who own weapons that would be banned in a communist state.

Of course! Free green-gards for notherners with guns and a good head on their shoulders.

[YumYum]

I was just thinking of how this situation might become similar to the Alamo.

The Texans lost at the Alamo. If Texas tries to secede, Obama will send in the Louisiana National Guard to put down any insurrections. Those Louisiana boys are bad ass!

[Kylie]

We'll give green cards to people who own weapons that would be banned in a communist state.


I don't own any firearms, because I won't ask permission from my state to do so. But I would own them if I could just go to the store and buy them....does that count?

Cause I wanna immigrate :D

[james1906]

The Texans lost at the Alamo. If Texas tries to secede, Obama will send in the Louisiana National Guard to put down any insurrections. Those Louisiana boys are bad ass!

Yep. They'll just get on our welfare system and bankrupt us!

[2young2vote]

Texas could charge 50,000 FRN's to get into the country and become a citizen. If a million people did that then they could have 50 billion dollars in FRNs (or whatever they converted the currency to), and do whatever they wanted with it.

But i honestly this whole seceding thing is a fairy tale minus the fairies.

[Pericles]

The Texans lost at the Alamo. If Texas tries to secede, Obama will send in the Louisiana National Guard to put down any insurrections. Those Louisiana boys are bad ass!
The magic ratio is 13 to 1. In every battle of the 1830s and 1840s, if the Mexicans outnumbered the opponent by 13 to 1 or more - the Mexicans won.

[djdellisanti4]

The Texans lost at the Alamo. If Texas tries to secede, Obama will send in the Louisiana National Guard to put down any insurrections. Those Louisiana boys are bad ass!

But they won the war... and then became part of America. Voluntarily though.

[nate895]

The magic ratio is 13 to 1. In every battle of the 1830s and 1840s, if the Mexicans outnumbered the opponent by 13 to 1 or more - the Mexicans won.

Wow, I knew they were bad, but I did not they were quite that bad. Might as well send the Polish Cavalry against a Panzer Division as send the Mexican Army against the enemy, apparently.

[YumYum]

Wow, I knew they were bad, but I did not they were quite that bad. Might as well send the Polish Cavalry against a Panzer Division as send the Mexican Army against the enemy, apparently.

The enemy is already inside Texas.

[Zippyjuan]

If Texas were to secede, the NCAA would kick out their schools from membership which would mean no college football in the state- and in Texas, football is practically a religion for some people. Don't think they would support that.

[nate895]

If Texas were to secede, the NCAA would kick out their schools from membership which would mean no college football in the state- and in Texas, football is practically a religion for some people. Don't think they would support that.

I think Texas can handle forming their own sports federation.

[Fredom101]

Sports? Give me a break. I know how Texas football is, but look we've got pro sports in Canada, it really makes no difference for UT football. What do European universities do? Sports are pretty meaningless in the grand scheme anyway.

[amy31416]

But they won the war... and then became part of America. Voluntarily though.

Texans joined voluntarily, huh? Guess you're not familiar with the Knights of the Golden Circle.

You can find info on them here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle

Most of the individuals leading the "texian" army were politicians and slave traders from the U.S. who with backing from the fed army out of New Orleans rushed in, hijacked legitimate freedom movements, flew their own banner, formed the republic and bankrupted it (leaving the ROT no choice but to join either the U.S. or Mexico.)

[Pericles]

Texans joined voluntarily, huh? Guess you're not familiar with the Knights of the Golden Circle.

You can find info on them here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle)

Most of the individuals leading the "texian" army were politicians and slave traders from the U.S. who with backing from the fed army out of New Orleans rushed in, hijacked legitimate freedom movements, flew their own banner, formed the republic and bankrupted it (leaving the ROT no choice but to join either the U.S. or Mexico.)

"The association was founded by George W. L. Bickley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._L._Bickley), a Virginia-born (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia) doctor, editor, and "adventurer" who lived in Cincinnati (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cincinnati,_Ohio). He organized the first castle, or local branch, in Cincinnati in 1854 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1854) and soon took the order to the South, where it was well received. It grew slowly until 1859 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1859) and reached its height in 1860 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1860)." from the Wikipedia article

We are discussing events of 1835 to 1845, which did have southern support, but the RoT was always cash poor. Border security always drained the treasury, and Texans being Texans, tax collection was difficult and lax - like the US relying on tariffs. Property taxes never went anywhere as land was the only real valuable asset most had, and barter was the foundation of the economy. The RoT was always in debt, and could never get itself solvent.

[djdellisanti4]

Texans joined voluntarily, huh? Guess you're not familiar with the Knights of the Golden Circle.

You can find info on them here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_of_the_Golden_Circle

Most of the individuals leading the "texian" army were politicians and slave traders from the U.S. who with backing from the fed army out of New Orleans rushed in, hijacked legitimate freedom movements, flew their own banner, formed the republic and bankrupted it (leaving the ROT no choice but to join either the U.S. or Mexico.)


Huh.... good to know. I knew there was something shady going on, just wasn't sure.



If Texas were to secede, the NCAA would kick out their schools from membership which would mean no college football in the state- and in Texas, football is practically a religion for some people. Don't think they would support that.

An all-texas collegiate association actuall sounds very interesting, though unimportant.

And assuming there is no war, I'm sure the cowboys and spurs could all stay in their respective leagues.