"Post-Traumatic First African-American President Syndrome"

[DisillusionedPatriot]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/08/05/liberal_were_suffering_from_post-traumatic_first_african_american_president_syndrom e.html

An MSNBC commentator describes the frustration some progressives feel with Obama, saying he hasn't gone far enough and maybe Clinton would have been the better choice. Another correspondent answers that the real problem is that people are suffering from "Post-Traumatic First African-American President Syndrome."

I'm tired of liberals continually playing the race card. Implicit in this woman's remarks, and any others that run in the same vein, is that anyone who criticizes or disagrees with Obama must be doing so out of racially charged motivations. This argument is incongruous and absurd. Such a viewpoint is guilty of making two incorrect, even offensive, assumptions. The first is that, whether openly or subconsciously, all or a great majority of whites harbor deeply ingrained tinges of racism. The second is worse: that President Obama cannot be wrong. After all, if there are indeed valid criticisms to be made, those critiques could be addressed separately from any issue involving race.

However, it is precisely that which the left wishes to avoid. The purpose of this race-baiting is to stall and distract from the real issues: that the government is no longer responsive to the people, that the illegitimate POTUS and runaway Congress are trampling on American rights and the Constitution; and that these illegal actions are driving our nation into a nigh-inescapable pit of tyranny, debt, and mayhem. Liberals cannot win on such a debate. They cannot point to a Constitutional basis for what they seek to implement. They will not, as Jefferson advised, look to the probable intent of the Founding Fathers to determine the rightful limitations on government. They seek limitless power, over us, for themselves. Since they cannot make a case on merit, they are reduced to ad hominem attacks.

The desired effect of such tactics is clear: silencing of dissension and a chilling effect on American's freedom to criticize their government.

[Golding]

On top of race-baiting, I'm tired of parody syndromes used to give a BS notion its false legitimacy.

[JoshLowry]

That's a very nice summary.

[DisillusionedPatriot]

On top of race-baiting, I'm tired of parody syndromes used to give a BS notion its false legitimacy.

Indeed. False syndromes are especially dangerous when combined with political ends. Tyrannical governments, most notably Soviet Russia, have used psychiatric "diagnoses" as a means of marginalizing or silencing dissent.

[1000-points-of-fright]

Too bad there isn't a viable black conservative who could win. Then when the left criticizes, they can be called racists.

[DisillusionedPatriot]

Herman Cain is a candidate I would support. He has voiced his support for the defending the Constitution, the Fair Tax, tax cuts, and limited government spending. Cain worked as a mathematician for the Department of the Navy and has had extensive experience in many areas of the private sector.

[ItsTime]

Im wasting my time watching the video, is she call leftists racist now?

[DisillusionedPatriot]

Im wasting my time watching the video, is she call leftists racist now?

Apparently the insult is so vast as to include anyone who dares to critique Obama's policies or decisions. The video itself begins by airing progressive complaints, so it would appear that her comment, following directly after, would cover that group.

[michaelwise]

At least we got that black president thing out of our system. Now we only need to get that woman president thing done.

[michaelwise]

That intangible racism thing is not a problem. When it manifests itself in physical violations, call me.

[farrar]

I hate MSNBC:

Avaroth has a nice video that more tea party related, but it seals the deal for me. It could use a few more views I think:

YouTube - ‪Who's Racist?‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y0I4i8mWr8)

[LibertyVox]

The left in this country is retarded. As is the right. I really don't see much difference between them except when it comes to scoring political points.

If the left really wanted to disarm and buttrape the right, they'd focus on how those who oppose Obama's policies: decrying Big Govt., socialized medicine, Afghan war so on and so forth, were not only complacent but ever so gung ho about it all when the right was in power. LOL

But of course as said before the left in this country, just like the right....more often than not lacks any meaningful insight, consistency or decency.

And I don't think we need to defend the Tea Party from charges of racism. The main focus should be on preventing it to go the way of self inflicted flophouse perfidy. Unfortunately many of the Tea baggers (or Tea O Cons as some put it more accurately) do sound like they fap to the retardese regurgitated by limbaugh, coulter, savage and the like.
It's like asking them what do you see wrong with this administration and their knee jerk answer would be dotted with embarrassing absurdities ranging from Obama is a moozlim, to he is illegal, democrats are traitors, sharia is going to be imposed, Obama is a socialist, obama is a fascist etc. etc. etc.
In short it sounds as if they drink bubblescum stone age piss from the same jorum as the grand wizards of political whoredom and soft fascism that have had an equal hand to bring the country to its current state.

In short, many of them sound like nothing like what Ron Paul and other enlightened individuals of his ilk sound like.

[DisillusionedPatriot]

The left in this country is retarded. As is the right. I really don't see much difference between them except when it comes to scoring political points.

If the left really wanted to disarm and buttrape the right, they'd focus on how those who oppose Obama's policies: decrying Big Govt., socialized medicine, Afghan war so on and so forth, were not only complacent but ever so gung ho about it all when the right was in power. LOL

But of course as said before the left in this country, just like the right....more often than not lacks any meaningful insight, consistency or decency.

And I don't think we need to defend the Tea Party from charges of racism. The main focus should be on preventing it to go the way of self inflicted flophouse perfidy. Unfortunately many of the Tea baggers (or Tea O Cons as some put it more accurately) do sound like they fap to the retardese regurgitated by limbaugh, coulter, savage and the like.
It's like asking them what do you see wrong with this administration and their knee jerk answer would be dotted with embarrassing absurdities ranging from Obama is a moozlim, to he is illegal, democrats are traitors, sharia is going to be imposed, Obama is a socialist, obama is a fascist etc. etc. etc.
In short it sounds as if they drink bubblescum stone age piss from the same jorum as the grand wizards of political whoredom and soft fascism that have had an equal hand to bring the country to its current state.

In short, many of them sound like nothing like what Ron Paul and other enlightened individuals of his ilk sound like.

You're ridiculous. I have so many problems with this post.

1) Actually a lot of people who oppose Obama now opposed Georgie for the same reasons. Don't try to flatter yourself that you alone are consistent in the fight to retain our freedoms. Many other individuals do not like or trust either political party.

2) This thread had nothing to do with defending the Tea Partiers from any accusations.

3) I don't see any benefit to a hasty demise of the Tea Party movement. It is an intellectual uprising in defense of liberty that I did not image we would ever see. Although the group has some flaws in ideology and tends to run more conservative than pure libertarian, that must not be considered a reason to call for its end. It is better than almost any mainstream alternative we have, and at the very least can be credited with bringing a debate about liberty, the Constitution, and limited government onto the national scene.

4) Again, your arrogance in assumption astounds me. I don't believe you've ever attended a Tea Party event, as your description of the crowd does not match my own impressions or those of many others. The Tea Party is far more diverse than you would ask people to believe, and not at all limited to complaints over Obama's religous views or national origin.

5) As to your last bit of (I hate to grace it with the word) "writing," I suggest you take a lesson from your enlightened role-model. I doubt Ron Paul would ever resort to such lewd, idiotic drivel in lieu of real argument. The irony lies in the fact that the object of this post is a criticism of people who fall back on ad hominem attacks instead of trying to compete in an free and open debate based on evidence and logic. I'm sorry to inform you, but you just failed the test. Quit wasting our time.

[LibertyVox]

You're ridiculous. I have so many problems with this post.

1) Actually a lot of people who oppose Obama now opposed Georgie for the same reasons. Don't try to flatter yourself that you alone are consistent in the fight to retain our freedoms. Many other individuals do not like or trust either political party.

2) This thread had nothing to do with defending the Tea Partiers from any accusations.

3) I don't see any benefit to a hasty demise of the Tea Party movement. It is an intellectual uprising in defense of liberty that I did not image we would ever see. Although the group has some flaws in ideology and tends to run more conservative than pure libertarian, that must not be considered a reason to call for its end. It is better than almost any mainstream alternative we have, and at the very least can be credited with bringing a debate about liberty, the Constitution, and limited government onto the national scene.

4) Again, your arrogance in assumption astounds me. I don't believe you've ever attended a Tea Party event, as your description of the crowd does not match my own impressions or those of many others. The Tea Party is far more diverse than you would ask people to believe, and not at all limited to complaints over Obama's religous views or national origin.

5) As to your last bit of (I hate to grace it with the word) "writing," I suggest you take a lesson from your enlightened role-model. I doubt Ron Paul would ever resort to such lewd, idiotic drivel in lieu of real argument. The irony lies in the fact that the object of this post is a criticism of people who fall back on ad hominem attacks instead of trying to compete in an free and open debate based on evidence and logic. I'm sorry to inform you, but you just failed the test. Quit wasting our time.

wow, where did all this anger come from? I didn't particularly address your OP though I did skim through it. I was actually responding more to the MSNBC video posted. I am a little surprised at your personally savaging remarks and I don't have a problem with all your points.


1) I never claimed nor would I ever be arrogant enough to claim that I am he only consistent poster or that I am some lone wolf warrior out to protect "our" freedoms. Those are your words, and at best, that might be your impression of me.
And true many individuals do not trust either of the two parties.

2) Again my response was not so much to your OP, as to the video posted about the tea party.

3) I never called for a demise of the tea party, hasty or otherwise. Those are your words. And yes you are right, Tea party runs more conservative than libertarian and I personally believe that is part of its tarnished image in my eyes and others at RPF.
And actually there is in fact another campaign and a better grass roots mvement directly endorsed by Ron Paul: C4L and YAL.

4) No problem here

5) There are some points well taken. But it looks as if I inadvertently stepped on your tail or something. And I must point out to you that if I committed ad hominens they were A) not directed at you or any one else but general remarks unlike your comment directed at me. B) Your OP itself has many ad hominems and hence you fail your own test.

Now:

Since you know why I wrote what I wrote, my comment was "in lieu" :D of the fact that while it may be true that the tea party is a mass movement which came out as a result of discontent with the government, it is also true that overwhelmingly its base is composed of loyal republican warriors. The ones who were and still blind to the ravages their party committed on the republic. I am talking about knee jerk party loyalists. These are the kind who would hush any mention of the fact that Bush's socialized medicine prescription drug D program in fact overshadowed Obama's. That the Wall street bailouts were initiated and carried out with much more ferocity when the right was in the executive. That the constitution was ripped to shreds...on and on and on.

The fact that the Tea Partiers ( whose main stock of avant garde is referred to as Tea O Cons here at RPF), are goaded along by the blowhard media elites such as FAux News, Limbaugh et al as well as the national syndicate of neo-cons including Palin is well indicative of which direction the TPM has gone.

Sly Newt himself describes it not as a third force but as the militant wing of the GOP. And I think he is quite right.

An overehlming majority of these tea partiers voted for Mr. 100-year-war-McCain.
Things have gotten so vulgarly obfuscated that now even Jeb Bush describes him self as a libertarian. Ofcourse he is not. Nor are any of the rest of these hyppocritical mole rats.

This movement has devolved into something that neither RP nor any of his supporter can endorse or at least be devotees of:

Tea party beating war drums on FB
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=255997

Tea Party Caucus members endorse Israeli attack on Iran
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=254614&highlight=tea+cons

The rhetoric of the tea party mirrors that of its shepards: the GOP and the neocons; in all its vulgarity, red meat and inconsistency even as, and this important, even as its attendees in many of its rallies protest or demand decent things. Things RP, me, you and the rest of us would whole heartedly endorse.

Your OP btw, was full of red meat too. Your outburst was only against the amorphous left and liberals; it made a hard dichotomy between the left and conservatives when it came to the problems plaguing the country. And I tell you there isn't. Obama hasn't done anything alien to what the usual Democratic party platform is, and the difference between the Dems and the GOP especially in post-Bush jr. years is all but non existent. The MSM and drones on the left are doing what they usually do and so are the drones on the right.
So much for ad hominem attacks and patronizing others to be civil. You failed on your own paroxysm which you insist on calling a test.

And yes RP is an enlightened individual. He is a leader par excellence.
Hence astute. And hence warned us time and again:

Ron Paul Warns Of Neo-Con Takeover Of Tea Party Movement

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-warns-of-neo-con-takeover-of-tea-party-movement.html

Tea Party Hijacked by Neocons as Ron Paul Foreign Policy is Pushed Aside
YouTube - ‪Tea Party Hijacked by Neocons as Ron Paul Foreign Policy is Pushed Aside‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijfEceUfLkc)

Ron Paul vs. Sarah Palin for the Soul of the Tea Parties
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/will-palin-and-the-neocon_b_456824.html

The change in the Tea Party Movement...no longer grassroots and hijacked by NeoCons
YouTube - ‪The change in the Tea Party Movement...no longer grassroots and hijacked by NeoCons‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KKZF_tVzPM&feature=related)


I hope this will shut you up for good. And I hope if you do reply it'll be more conciliatory than before. I wish not to take any flame bait, nor do I want to waste my time in a useless pissing match. :)

[DisillusionedPatriot]

The left in this country is retarded. As is the right. I really don't see much difference between them except when it comes to scoring political points.

If the left really wanted to disarm and buttrape the right, they'd focus on how those who oppose Obama's policies: decrying Big Govt., socialized medicine, Afghan war so on and so forth, were not only complacent but ever so gung ho about it all when the right was in power. LOL

But of course as said before the left in this country, just like the right....more often than not lacks any meaningful insight, consistency or decency.

And I don't think we need to defend the Tea Party from charges of racism. The main focus should be on preventing it to go the way of self inflicted flophouse perfidy. Unfortunately many of the Tea baggers (or Tea O Cons as some put it more accurately) do sound like they fap to the retardese regurgitated by limbaugh, coulter, savage and the like.
It's like asking them what do you see wrong with this administration and their knee jerk answer would be dotted with embarrassing absurdities ranging from Obama is a moozlim, to he is illegal, democrats are traitors, sharia is going to be imposed, Obama is a socialist, obama is a fascist etc. etc. etc.
In short it sounds as if they drink bubblescum stone age piss from the same jorum as the grand wizards of political whoredom and soft fascism that have had an equal hand to bring the country to its current state.

In short, many of them sound like nothing like what Ron Paul and other enlightened individuals of his ilk sound like.


wow, where did all this anger come from? I didn't particularly address your OP though I did skim through it. I was actually responding more to the MSNBC video posted. I am a little surprised at your personally savaging remarks and I don't have a problem with all your points.


1) I never claimed nor would I ever be arrogant enough to claim that I am he only consistent poster or that I am some lone wolf warrior out to protect "our" freedoms. Those are your words, and at best, that might be your impression of me.
And true many individuals do not trust either of the two parties.

2) Again my response was not so much to your OP, as to the video posted about the tea party.

3) I never called for a demise of the tea party, hasty or otherwise. Those are your words. And yes you are right, Tea party runs more conservative than libertarian and I personally believe that is part of its tarnished image in my eyes and others at RPF.
And actually there is in fact another campaign and a better grass roots mvement directly endorsed by Ron Paul: C4L and YAL.

4) No problem here

5) There are some points well taken. But it looks as if I inadvertently stepped on your tail or something. And I must point out to you that if I committed ad hominens they were A) not directed at you or any one else but general remarks unlike your comment directed at me. B) Your OP itself has many ad hominems and hence you fail your own test.

Now:

Since you know why I wrote what I wrote, my comment was "in lieu" :D of the fact that while it may be true that the tea party is a mass movement which came out as a result of discontent with the government, it is also true that overwhelmingly its base is composed of loyal republican warriors. The ones who were and still blind to the ravages their party committed on the republic. I am talking about knee jerk party loyalists. These are the kind who would hush any mention of the fact that Bush's socialized medicine prescription drug D program in fact overshadowed Obama's. That the Wall street bailouts were initiated and carried out with much more ferocity when the right was in the executive. That the constitution was ripped to shreds...on and on and on.

The fact that the Tea Partiers ( whose main stock of avant garde is referred to as Tea O Cons here at RPF), are goaded along by the blowhard media elites such as FAux News, Limbaugh et al as well as the national syndicate of neo-cons including Palin is well indicative of which direction the TPM has gone.

Sly Newt himself describes it not as a third force but as the militant wing of the GOP. And I think he is quite right.

An overehlming majority of these tea partiers voted for Mr. 100-year-war-McCain.
Things have gotten so vulgarly obfuscated that now even Jeb Bush describes him self as a libertarian. Ofcourse he is not. Nor are any of the rest of these hyppocritical mole rats.

This movement has devolved into something that neither RP nor any of his supporter can endorse or at least be devotees of:

Tea party beating war drums on FB
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=255997

Tea Party Caucus members endorse Israeli attack on Iran
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=254614&highlight=tea+cons

The rhetoric of the tea party mirrors that of its shepards: the GOP and the neocons; in all its vulgarity, red meat and inconsistency even as, and this important, even as its attendees in many of its rallies protest or demand decent things. Things RP, me, you and the rest of us would whole heartedly endorse.

Your OP btw, was full of red meat too. Your outburst was only against the amorphous left and liberals; it made a hard dichotomy between the left and conservatives when it came to the problems plaguing the country. And I tell you there isn't. Obama hasn't done anything alien to what the usual Democratic party platform is, and the difference between the Dems and the GOP especially in post-Bush jr. years is all but non existent. The MSM and drones on the left are doing what they usually do and so are the drones on the right.
So much for ad hominem attacks and patronizing others to be civil. You failed on your own paroxysm which you insist on calling a test.

And yes RP is an enlightened individual. He is a leader par excellence.
Hence astute. And hence warned us time and again:

Ron Paul Warns Of Neo-Con Takeover Of Tea Party Movement

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-warns-of-neo-con-takeover-of-tea-party-movement.html

Tea Party Hijacked by Neocons as Ron Paul Foreign Policy is Pushed Aside
YouTube - ‪Tea Party Hijacked by Neocons as Ron Paul Foreign Policy is Pushed Aside‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijfEceUfLkc)

Ron Paul vs. Sarah Palin for the Soul of the Tea Parties
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/will-palin-and-the-neocon_b_456824.html

The change in the Tea Party Movement...no longer grassroots and hijacked by NeoCons
YouTube - ‪The change in the Tea Party Movement...no longer grassroots and hijacked by NeoCons‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KKZF_tVzPM&feature=related)


I hope this will shut you up for good. And I hope if you do reply it'll be more conciliatory than before. I wish not to take any flame bait, nor do I want to waste my time in a useless pissing match. :)



1) Yes, you did make that assumption when you stated, "those who oppose Obama's policies: decrying Big Govt., socialized medicine, Afghan war so on and so forth, were not only complacent but ever so gung ho about it all when the right was in power. LOL"

5) "In short it sounds as if they drink bubblescum stone age piss from the same jorum as the grand wizards of political whoredom and soft fascism that have had an equal hand to bring the country to its current state." This is clearly a crude personal attack, and one that as a support of the tea party, I resent. Furthermore, I challenge you to find any ad hominem attacks in my posting, unless of course you're referring to the fact that I described that particular remark as lewd and idiotic, which it was.

[DisillusionedPatriot]

Your OP btw, was full of red meat too. Your outburst was only against the amorphous left and liberals; it made a hard dichotomy between the left and conservatives when it came to the problems plaguing the country. And I tell you there isn't. Obama hasn't done anything alien to what the usual Democratic party platform is, and the difference between the Dems and the GOP especially in post-Bush jr. years is all but non existent. The MSM and drones on the left are doing what they usually do and so are the drones on the right.
So much for ad hominem attacks and patronizing others to be civil. You failed on your own paroxysm which you insist on calling a test.

And yes RP is an enlightened individual. He is a leader par excellence.
Hence astute. And hence warned us time and again:

Ron Paul Warns Of Neo-Con Takeover Of Tea Party Movement

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-paul-warns-of-neo-con-takeover-of-tea-party-movement.html

Tea Party Hijacked by Neocons as Ron Paul Foreign Policy is Pushed Aside
YouTube - ‪Tea Party Hijacked by Neocons as Ron Paul Foreign Policy is Pushed Aside‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijfEceUfLkc)

Ron Paul vs. Sarah Palin for the Soul of the Tea Parties
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/will-palin-and-the-neocon_b_456824.html

The change in the Tea Party Movement...no longer grassroots and hijacked by NeoCons
YouTube - ‪The change in the Tea Party Movement...no longer grassroots and hijacked by NeoCons‬‎ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KKZF_tVzPM&feature=related)


I hope this will shut you up for good. And I hope if you do reply it'll be more conciliatory than before. I wish not to take any flame bait, nor do I want to waste my time in a useless pissing match. :)

Furthermore, my outcry was only against liberals in so far as it related to the continuous cries to racism to prevent serious debate. I didn't say anything at all about the political problems of this country, which I believe stem greatly from failures in both mainstream political parties.