62% Think US Is On A Decline As A Civilization

[Matt Collins]

YouTube - America on Wrong Track? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1k96GDzIZw&feature=player_embedded)

[ChaosControl]

Wow, a poll in which I'm on the side of the majority opinion.

[awake]

Democracy leads to de-civilization. We live in an age of stealing for the greater good. The thing is, no good can come from stealing.

Democracy The God That failed by Hans Hoppe will be just another correct prediction from a Austrian theorist, marginalized and ignored until it's too late.

[RCA]

I concur.

[heavenlyboy34]

Democracy leads to de-civilization. We live in an age of stealing for the greater good. The thing is, no good can come from stealing.

Democracy The God That failed by Hans Hoppe will be just another correct prediction from a Austrian theorist, marginalized and ignored until it's too late.

+a zillion! :D

[Vessol]

No Empire lives forever, and they all die rather dramatically..

[oyarde]

It could take some very large changes soon to preserve the US currency.Decline looks likely due to debt and spending that is not sustainable.

[Anti Federalist]

No Empire lives forever, and they all die rather dramatically..

The length of the empire is decreasing as well, as the suddenness of the collapse is increasing.

[RideTheDirt]

+1

[YumYum]

The length of the empire is decreasing as well, as the suddenness of the collapse is increasing.

So, why do we fight it? Why not let it collapse and be prepared (as the majority of Americans are not) and be ready to start over. I'm beginning to think that we are all taking the wrong approach, except for torchbearer. He has got it right. And, you also are inclined to see the futility of trying to change this mess.

Let's help this shit collapse! Food stamps, unemployment checks, medicaid, wars and more wars and mo' stimulatin' money; we should be pushing for all of it!!! The more the better!

It's like snow skiing. The best skiers are lazy; they let gravity do all the work. They just have to "maneuver" a little when going down hill.

[Deborah K]

So, why do we fight it? Why not let it collapse and be prepared (as the majority of Americans are not) and be ready to start over. I'm beginning to think that we are all taking the wrong approach, except for torchbearer. He has got it right. And, you also are inclined to see the futility of trying to change this mess.

Let's help this shit collapse! Food stamps, unemployment checks, medicaid, wars and more wars and mo' stimulatin' money; we should be pushing for all of it!!! The more the better!

It's like snow skiing. The best skiers are lazy; they let gravity do all the work. They just have to "maneuver" a little when going down hill.

Except that this isn't a ski trip. Wish it was. If we have a financial collapse - one where the dollar = zero and the store shelves are empty, we will surely have a social collapse. It's already happened in other countries. I don't think it needs to happen to us. Communities can network and prepare, repeals can be made in Congress, spending can be cut in half, and people can start taking care of each other instead of expecting the gov't to do it.

[Southron]

I expect eventually China will replace us much like we replaced the British Empire.

[YumYum]

Except that this isn't a ski trip. Wish it was. If we have a financial collapse - one where the dollar = zero and the store shelves are empty, we will surely have a social collapse. It's already happened in other countries. I don't think it needs to happen to us. Communities can network and prepare, repeals can be made in Congress, spending can be cut in half, and people can start taking care of each other instead of expecting the gov't to do it.

If we save it, we have to pay it all back. If it collapses, we can start over and I might have a future.

[michaelwise]

At this point in time, I think anything short of a complete and total economic collapse, will anything be fixed.

I constantly here, the jobs that were lost to China are never coming back. I disagree. I think a complete and total economic collapse, that is mathematically certain to happen, will fix that.

[YumYum]

At this point in time, I think anything short of a complete and total economic collapse, will anything be fixed.

I constantly here, the jobs that were lost to China are never coming back. I disagree. I think a complete and total economic collapse, that is mathematically certain to happen, will fix that.

I agree. So what's the point of trying to put people into an office of a government that is going to collapse? The only reason I can see is they would keep us updated about what is going on and what to prepare for. Who in their right mind would want to be in office when this shit collapses? :confused:

[michaelwise]

I agree. So what's the point of trying to put people into an office of a government that is going to collapse? The only reason I can see is they would keep us updated about what is going on and what to prepare for. Who in their right mind would want to be in office when this shit collapses? :confused:New competent candidates like Rand Paul are being elected to congress in order to pick up the pieces. The #1 job they are being elected for is to preserve our individual constitutional liberties.

I agree we should hasten the collapse as quickly as possible. I'm 49 and don't have too many productive working years left. It wound be nice if in a few years I could find a manufacturing job or start a business where the expense of my labor makes it worth my while to do, and provide me with some comfort in my retirement.

[YumYum]

New competent candidates like Rand Paul are being elected to congress in order to pick up the pieces. The #1 job they are being elected for is to preserve our individual constitutional liberties.

I agree we should hasten the collapse as quickly as possible. I'm 49 and don't have too many productive working years left. It wound be nice if in a few years I could find a manufacturing job or start a business where the expense of my labor makes it worth my while to do, and provide me with some comfort in my retirement.

Right, and it would be a damn shame if you get a decent job, only to have to pay out everything you make in taxes. We are going to be taxed to death. The federal government is broke, the states are broke, the counties are broke, the cities are broke. If we try and fix it, we prolong the inevitable misery that is going to befall us all anyways. If it collapses tomorrow, we suffer for a while, but we will bounce right back quickly.

[JeNNiF00F00]

We are on a decline of everything. We have turned into the scum of the earth. Spoiled, fat, greedy, lazy, entitled little pieces of shit. The social structure in the US has been declining for quite some time and will continue to decline. Most Americans are nothing but trash, with no respect to anything, not even themselves. I'm disgusted every time I go out in public at how people handle their children, themselves, and how they interact and respect others. I always get a dose of reality and how far we have declined, every time I go to Walmart. Its the lowest of the low. How does this happen?

[michaelwise]

Right, and it would be a damn shame if you get a decent job, only to have to pay out everything you make in taxes. We are going to be taxed to death. The federal government is broke, the states are broke, the counties are broke, the cities are broke. If we try and fix it, we prolong the inevitable misery that is going to befall us all anyways. If it collapses tomorrow, we suffer for a while, but we will bounce right back quickly.

I believe it will come down to waging a financial war against the international banking cartel. This Iceland Member of Parliament, Birgitta Jónsdóttir, has the formula and attitude we should all adopt toward our oppressors. The people did not authorize the debts, therefore we have no responsibility to the pay them back. I don't know of any armies these banksters have to make us pay. Last time I checked, the American people are armed to the teeth.

Search the rest of the parts of this interview if you have the time.

YouTube - Red Ice Radio - Birgitta Jonsdottir - Pt 1 - Financial War Against Iceland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUNpIbhaY1Y&feature=related)

YouTube - Red Ice Radio - Birgitta Jonsdottir - Pt 2 - Financial War Against Iceland (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoUtDnoeYlo&feature=related)

[Deborah K]

If we save it, we have to pay it all back. If it collapses, we can start over and I might have a future.

Our debt is monetized and until we return to a currency that is backed by hard assets, we will always have debt.

Do you understand what you are wishing for? You are inviting global governance, global currency, no more national sovereignty, no more individual sovereignty. You think it's bad now? Wait until we're cashless and you're chipped. Wait until you piss the gov't off and they quarantine you by "griding" your chip so that it won't work outside of a certain grid. If you think I'm full of shit then watch this 22 second clip of Justice Roberts being grilled by then Senator Joseph Biden.

YouTube - Biden confirmation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbPvWm9ZkYw)

Then, watch what is going on in the UK right now:

http://www.veoh.com/collection/powermongering/watch/v839472QBkWg6R5

[michaelwise]

We are on a decline of everything. We have turned into the scum of the earth. Spoiled, fat, greedy, lazy, entitled little pieces of shit. The social structure in the US has been declining for quite some time and will continue to decline. Most Americans are nothing but trash, with no respect to anything, not even themselves. I'm disgusted every time I go out in public at how people handle their children, themselves, and how they interact and respect others. I always get a dose of reality and how far we have declined, every time I go to Walmart. Its the lowest of the low. How does this happen?This is how it happened. Only we did it to ourselves. Not the KGB.
YouTube - Yuri Bezmenov - The KGB and the brain washing of the West (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vsaPEajh0)

[YumYum]

This is how it happened. Only we did it to ourselves. Not the KGB.
YouTube - Yuri Bezmenov - The KGB and the brain washing of the West (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_vsaPEajh0)

It started with Trotsky's grand-kids, the original hippies, the children of the Irving Kristol gang. They started the "do whatever feels good movement" by taking drugs and having unlimited sex with shiksas. It went downhill from there.

[LibertyVox]

I hate to be the party pooper. But America still has the world's premier educational institutes. Harvard Yale, Princeton, Darthmouth, Berkeley, ..... Devry.....
We still attract the best minds from around the world. We are probably one of the most tolerant society on Earth. The Canooks will probably try to chew us over this though. We have an independent judiciary. And though we love to fuck and murder people over seas, Liberty is still more or less cherished and maintained within our borders.

You may start pummeling me now :D

[michaelwise]

I hate to be the party pooper. But America still has the world's premier educational institutes. Harvard Yale, Princeton, Darthmouth, Berkeley, ..... Devry.....
We still attract the best minds from around the world. We are probably one of the most tolerant society on Earth. The Canooks will probably try to chew us over this though. We have an independent judiciary. And though we love to fuck and murder people over seas, Liberty is still more or less cherished and maintained within our borders.

You may start pummeling me now :DOh God.:eek:I could type for an hour on "independent judiciary" and "world's premier educational institutes", but I think I'll just take a pass this time.

[aravoth]

We are on a decline of everything. We have turned into the scum of the earth. Spoiled, fat, greedy, lazy, entitled little pieces of shit. The social structure in the US has been declining for quite some time and will continue to decline. Most Americans are nothing but trash, with no respect to anything, not even themselves. I'm disgusted every time I go out in public at how people handle their children, themselves, and how they interact and respect others. I always get a dose of reality and how far we have declined, every time I go to Walmart. Its the lowest of the low. How does this happen?


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[LibertyVox]

Oh God.:eek:I could type for an hour on "independent judiciary" and "world's premier educational institutes", but I think I'll just take a pass this time.

Good choice. I am not in a mood to argue either. ;) Least of the reason being that am not very conversant in these matters.

But I hope you can agree, that we are at least marginally better than most. That our justice system is something, others haven't even achieved yet. And our institutions of higher education are the envy of the world and consistently dominate the top ranking in the world, and that we have a robust civil society. AND it's a country which still rewards hard work.

[aravoth]

Good choice. I am not in a mood to argue either. ;) Least of the reason being that am not very conversant in these matters.

But I hope you can agree, that we are at least marginally better than most. That our justice system is something, others haven't even achieved yet. And our institutions of higher education are the envy of the world and consistently dominate the top ranking in the world, and that we have a robust civil society. AND it's a country which still rewards hard work.


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[Koz]

How is the percentage that low, only 62%? Probably everyone on welfare I guess.

[LibertyVox]

Lay off MJ!!

[LibertyVox]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c370/aravoth/rs7j89.gif

Aw don't give me the stare down...ok STOP!!!

You want me to do a Morris dance in the nude?

[Koz]

Harvard Yale, Princeton, Darthmouth, Berkeley, .....

You may start pummeling me now :D

...all bastions of socialism.

[Anti Federalist]

We are on a decline of everything. We have turned into the scum of the earth. Spoiled, fat, greedy, lazy, entitled little pieces of shit. The social structure in the US has been declining for quite some time and will continue to decline. Most Americans are nothing but trash, with no respect to anything, not even themselves. I'm disgusted every time I go out in public at how people handle their children, themselves, and how they interact and respect others. I always get a dose of reality and how far we have declined, every time I go to Walmart. Its the lowest of the low. How does this happen?

http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1653.jpg

Yes, she's breast feeding.

http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1647.jpg

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?page_id=9798&paged=10

[AmericaFyeah92]

Less than a century from now, "The Rise and Fall of the American Empire" will be a bestseller.

We will be remembered as the most contradictory "nation" in world history.

We call ourselves "land of the free," but we value freedom very lttle.

We call ourselves "home of the brave," but a guy with fireworks in his underwear can change our whole justice system and make our population hide under the covers.

We trump human rights, and commit war crimes and support despotism around the world.

[Anti Federalist]

We call ourselves "land of the free," but we value freedom very lttle.

We call ourselves "home of the brave," but a guy with fireworks in his underwear can change our whole justice system and make our population hide under the covers.

We trump human rights, and commit war crimes and support despotism around the world.

That^^

[Danke]

http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1653.jpg

Yes, she's breast feeding.

http://media.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/1647.jpg

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/?page_id=9798&paged=10

Are those gals single?

[DamianTV]

Just for Shits and Giggles, I started a poll in a new thread to see how WE would compare to the 62% statistic. My gut instinct is that it wil be Higher...

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=255612

[TNforPaul45]

Are those gals single?

I really really have a swarmy response to your inquiry good sir, but I shall Restrain my tounge in favor of constructively adding to the argument.....


Dang it...

Dannnnnng it....


Ok, so there's nothing single about those girls. They are supermassive pluralities of feminism! Hahahahaha

Shame on me.

[messana]

Is breastfeeding in public bad?

[aravoth]

Less than a century from now, "The Rise and Fall of the American Empire" will be a bestseller.

We will be remembered as the most contradictory "nation" in world history.

We call ourselves "land of the free," but we value freedom very lttle.

We call ourselves "home of the brave," but a guy with fireworks in his underwear can change our whole justice system and make our population hide under the covers.

We trump human rights, and commit war crimes and support despotism around the world.

Indeed....

I was speaking about this yesterday with a few friends of mine. The United States really is a case study in what happens when a large portions of the worlds fattest, ignorant, entitled assholes are contained within a border.

[Kylie]

Is breastfeeding in public bad?



Not usually.


I did it. But I had some cooth about it too.


And I'm not a nasty 300 sow. At least she's feeding him instead of making me pay for formula.

[AmericaFyeah92]

Indeed....

I was speaking about this yesterday with a few friends of mine. The United States really is a case study in what happens when a large portions of the worlds fattest, ignorant, entitled assholes are contained within a border.

Indeed. It also shows the perils of size. America has simply become too damn big: our corporations, our military, our welfare state, our bueracracy, our people (:p). It can't be sustained "democratically," or on a state-by-state level.

Hence, empire.

[Anti Federalist]

Not usually.


I did it. But I had some cooth about it too.


And I'm not a nasty 300 sow. At least she's feeding him instead of making me pay for formula.

That^^^

;)

[Dr.3D]

Not usually.


I did it. But I had some cooth about it too.


And I'm not a nasty 300 sow. At least she's feeding him instead of making me pay for formula.

LOL, we are paying for that milk indirectly by feeding the sow.

[erowe1]

LOL, we are paying for that milk indirectly by feeding the sow.

And are we ever.

It reminds me of this tear jerker from a couple years ago about a family of morbidly obese people whose food stamps didn't provide enough, forcing them to stop buying ice cream.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92592545

[Philhelm]

I'd suck a tig ol' bitty in public. lol

In any case, the U.S. is pretty much screwed. However, the most important thing is to restore liberty. The greatness of the U.S. was never in its armies or wealth, but in the cultural ideas of liberty, despite the failings that we currently see. Perhaps we, as a nation, can be truly great in the future.

[Dr.3D]

And are we ever.

It reminds me of this tear jerker from a couple years ago about a family of morbidly obese people whose food stamps didn't provide enough, forcing them to stop buying ice cream.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=92592545

LOL, yeah... I can just picture them on the television complaining how they are starving. (everybody looking just see some really fat people)

[heavenlyboy34]

I'd suck a tig ol' bitty in public. lol

In any case, the U.S. is pretty much screwed. However, the most important thing is to restore liberty. The greatness of the U.S. was never in its armies or wealth, but in the cultural ideas of liberty, despite the failings that we currently see. Perhaps we, as a nation, can be truly great in the future.

The "nation" can only be as great as the individuals therein. :cool:;)