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Kludge
08-01-2010, 03:14 PM
YouTube - Church Will Burn Koran On 9/11 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSQmqzU1cnk)

http://www.doveworld.org/about-us

MikeStanart
08-01-2010, 03:20 PM
this is lol.

I'm at work so I can't watch the vid......but sometimes us christians can be soooo stupid.

BlackTerrel
08-01-2010, 05:09 PM
Is it just me or does Florida have far more than it's share of crazies?

MelissaWV
08-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Yeah I didn't watch the video but there's a Dove World Outreach Center nearish to me. I drove past there the other day because it's in the neighborhood I used to live in, and I wanted to see the old house. While driving past the church I encountered their welcoming white signs with red lettering (there were three in total):

ISLAM

IS OF THE

DEVIL!

There were also smaller signs indicating a protest was going to be held. The parking lot was far emptier than I'd ever seen it when I was living in the neighborhood. It doesn't seem very popular.

RM918
08-01-2010, 05:15 PM
Hah! That's some real 'World Outreach' there.

MelissaWV
08-01-2010, 05:22 PM
http://www.doveworld.org/blog/islam-is-of-the-devil-signs-vandalized

(emphasis, as always, is mine...)


Last night one of our signs was vandalized. This is private property and vandalism is a crime here in America. In Islam, many actions that we consider to be crimes are encouraged, condoned or sheltered under Islamic teaching and practice, though. Another reason to burn a Koran. The signs have been in front of the church for a year. They are made of sturdy plywood and the missing sign will be replaced.

Who dun it?

Free speech is hated by homosexuals and they do not like to hear the truth about their perverted lifestyle. We are protesting our openly homosexual Mayor Aug 2. Maybe they did it, (not the Mayor himself, surely) but the more likely trigger for this attack is the burn a Koran Day plan.

Free speech is not Sharia compliant, and the Moslem Mafia (CAIR) is openly opposed to our signs and message. But this is America and we have the law on our side. The police defend us and our rights, the Fire Department have no problem with our having a bonfire on 9/11, and we will not be silenced.

t0rnado
08-01-2010, 05:27 PM
And when someone burns the christfag science fiction book, they cry about being persecuted.

nate895
08-01-2010, 05:28 PM
What's the point of just offending people?

They are not backing up any point by doing this, they are just offending Muslims. This hurts Christian ministry to Muslims more than anything. While I agree in principle that Islam is, in fact, of the devil, we are called to be a light unto the world and preach the Gospel, not to offend pagans needlessly.

pcosmar
08-01-2010, 05:50 PM
Why is it that these whacked out sects get Mainstream coverage, (Westborough, Dove), But other churches, or Arab Christians reaching out to their communities don't?

Even the arrest of an Arab Christian in Dearborn Mi was barely covered.
:confused:

Cowlesy
08-01-2010, 05:52 PM
Why is it that these whacked out sects get Mainstream coverage, (Westborough, Dove), But other churches, or Arab Christians reaching out to their communities don't?

Even the arrest of an Arab Christian in Dearborn Mi was barely covered.
:confused:

:)

Ratings.

nate895
08-01-2010, 05:52 PM
Why is it that these whacked out sects get Mainstream coverage, (Westborough, Dove), But other churches, or Arab Christians reaching out to their communities don't.

Even the arrest of an Arab Christian in Dearborn Mi was barely covered.
:confused:

Because it does not fit the headline "Ignorant Christians Oppress Minorities."

MelissaWV
08-01-2010, 05:53 PM
Those signs have been up for a really long time *shrugs* and the church has been doing wacky stuff for years. It's only now getting coverage because it's tied in with 9/11.

Kludge
08-01-2010, 06:05 PM
:)

Ratings.

Right. People don't mind when people do the right thing. They shouldn't, because it should be normal. However, when people begin offending others and tensions rise, there should be action. This church should be petitioned by its congregation, at least, to cancel this ridiculous anti-muslim activity. Failure to do so looks bad for the church's congregation, at least.

Vessol
08-01-2010, 06:07 PM
I should get into the publishing buisiness and sell controversial books.

People will gobble them up simply because of the controversy. And others will buy them to book BBQ them.

As the Beatles said when people were burning their CDs, "They have to buy the CDs first".

Of course I hope their able to handle the blowback. Considering how pissed the Muslim world was at a stupid fucking cartoon, I can't wait to hear the outrage when they see footage of their holy book being burned. LOL

LibertyVox
08-01-2010, 06:07 PM
Like I said people everywhere have similar tendencies. Civilization Civility in whatever postive capacity you want to use the word always hangs by a thread. The danger is never form the masses. It is when the outlook of the Elite starts matching up with that of the masses: Bedlam follows.
I believe the country today is more tolerant than it has ever been. The danger is when we become complacent that it has.

ItsTime
08-01-2010, 06:07 PM
They have less relevance than The Black Panthers.

nate895
08-01-2010, 06:10 PM
Right. People don't mind when people do the right thing. They shouldn't, because it should be normal. However, when people begin offending others and tensions rise, there should be action. This church should be petitioned by its congregation, at least, to cancel this ridiculous anti-muslim activity. Failure to do so looks bad for the church's congregation, at least.

Generally, it is the congregation that does something stupid and the leadership of the denomination has to correct the laity. In this case, it seems both are colluding together. This particular group also seems to lack any sort of Biblical church government at all, which is fairly common in "churches" these days.

LibertyVox
08-01-2010, 06:14 PM
The only important thing at the end of the day is to ask yourself, "What would you do?"

YouTube - What Would You Do? Racist Realtor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ovWSAfu0AQ&feature=related)

YouTube - abc - what would you do: racism and illegal immigration (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5LDgOMr6jw)

RP supporter at 2:40 :D
YouTube - abc Primetime - How Muslims Are Treated In USA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqbQWxHIn4U&feature=related)

LOL
YouTube - Reaction To Women Abusing Men In Public (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks&feature=related)

MikeStanart
08-01-2010, 06:14 PM
And when someone burns the christfag science fiction book, they cry about being persecuted.

Not....Cool dude. There are crazy people in every religion. (clearly this organization is one of them) They are nowhere near the majority. How about you forgo the childish attacks and understand that there are a lot of christians on this board, and there is no need to break down the mutual respect we all have for eachother's personal religious beliefs.

BlackTerrel
08-01-2010, 06:17 PM
And when someone burns the christfag science fiction book, they cry about being persecuted.

What? Could you clarify I'm a bit confused.

MikeStanart
08-01-2010, 06:19 PM
What? Could you clarify I'm a bit confused.

He's saying that when people burn the bible christians tend to freak out. Yes, it's true that what these people are doing is hypocritical. However, our fellow forum poster here is expressing his point in a very immature and hateful manner.

Vessol
08-01-2010, 06:21 PM
And when someone burns the christfag science fiction book, they cry about being persecuted.

You don't have to be a dick about it man. As MikeStanart said, every religion has its crazies. I've met many militant atheists, xenophobic hindu's, zealous buddhists, etc, etc

BlackTerrel
08-01-2010, 06:29 PM
He's saying that when people burn the bible christians tend to freak out. Yes, it's true that what these people are doing is hypocritical. However, our fellow forum poster here is expressing his point in a very immature and hateful manner.

So that's what a "christfag science fiction book" is? I wonder how it would go over if I called the Koran the "Mohammed the pedophile book"?

For the record everyone on this thread (including the Christians) said this is dumb.

Dr.3D
08-01-2010, 06:34 PM
He's saying that when people burn the bible christians tend to freak out. Yes, it's true that what these people are doing is hypocritical. However, our fellow forum poster here is expressing his point in a very immature and hateful manner.

I wouldn't freak out. If somebody burned my Bible, I would go out and buy another one. It's not like it's anything more than print on paper. I also have multiple versions of the Bible on CD ROMs. I have made copies so that in the event something happens to one of them, I can make another copy and not have lost anything.

Most Christians, don't look at the Bible as being some kind of sacred book that isn't replaceable. (we don't worship the Bible) It used to be a bigger deal when they were hand written, but now with the event of the printing press, it's not such a big deal.

People are more often upset when someone burns the U.S. flag than when they burn a Bible. I still don't understand about burning a flag either.... I can always get another one. It's not some kind of sacred artifact that can't be replaced.

MikeStanart
08-01-2010, 06:36 PM
I wouldn't freak out. If somebody burned my Bible, I would go out and buy another one. It's not like it's anything more than print on paper. I also have multiple versions of the Bible on CD ROMs. I have made copies so that in the event something happens to one of them, I can make another copy and not have lost anything.

Most Christians, don't look at the Bible as being some kind of sacred book that isn't replaceable. (we don't worship the Bible) It used to be a bigger deal when they were hand written, but now with the event of the printing press, it's not such a big deal.

People are more often upset when someone burns the U.S. flag than when they burn a Bible. I still don't understand about burning a flag either.... I can always get another one. It's not some kind of sacred artifact that can't be replaced.

I suppose I was generalizing a bit. I personally don't care if someone burns a bible. But I know a majority of people would. We Ron Pauler's aren't exactly the best example of a random sample of people either. But yeah, I wouldn't care if someone burned a flag either. You're merely burning a symbol with either one. You're not actually burning it.

Old Ducker
08-01-2010, 06:54 PM
YouTube - Set Fire on Quran (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL1GuwBEOrQ&feature=player_embedded)

http://www.fireonquran.com/

LibertyVox
08-01-2010, 06:56 PM
http://www.fireonquran.com/

Quick some one twitter this to the Basiji goons :D

Old Ducker
08-01-2010, 06:59 PM
Quick some one twitter this to the Basiji goons :D

It definitely takes more balls to do it there.

tjeffersonsghost
08-01-2010, 07:04 PM
Extremism comes in every race, religion, and politics. Extremism in anything is not a good thing.

heavenlyboy34
08-01-2010, 07:24 PM
Why is it that these whacked out sects get Mainstream coverage, (Westborough, Dove), But other churches, or Arab Christians reaching out to their communities don't?

Even the arrest of an Arab Christian in Dearborn Mi was barely covered.
:confused:

It's the divide and conquer technique. Get Americans pissed off over trivial issues through media manipulation and fighting each other so they'll ignore important problems/issues. :p

Liberty Star
08-01-2010, 07:28 PM
And when someone burns the christ*** **** book, they cry about being persecuted.


That did happen last year in Afghanistan, amazingly with aim to not offend muslims and to reduce risks to US troops.


U.S. Military Burns Bibles In Afghanistan | Video Cafe

May 21, 2009 ... MILITARY ANALYST: There's no need to burn the bibles. ... this was not an easy decision, but they had to do this force protection -- Wolf.

videocafe.crooksandliars.com/.../us-military-burns-bibles-afghanistan


BBC News - July is deadliest month of Afghanistan war for US

Jul 30, 2010 ... US forces suffered the deadliest month of their nine-year Afghan campaign, with 66 service members killed in July.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10816058



This church seems like Fred Phelps church that is known to ambush funerals of US military killed overseas beause they are not "good Christians" in their view because of their sexuality.


EDIT: Oops, had to go back and edit quote I responded to. Note to self, read the whole sentence before responsding LOL

speciallyblend
08-01-2010, 07:41 PM
we should send them copies of the us constitution!! They can add it to their pile to burn!!

thehunter
08-01-2010, 08:26 PM
A rather pointless exercise, but I'll be interested to see if these guys start getting death threats from the jihadis...

BlackTerrel
08-01-2010, 08:47 PM
I suppose I was generalizing a bit. I personally don't care if someone burns a bible. But I know a majority of people would. We Ron Pauler's aren't exactly the best example of a random sample of people either. But yeah, I wouldn't care if someone burned a flag either. You're merely burning a symbol with either one. You're not actually burning it.

Is that really true? A quick google search of "Jews burn bibles" and "Muslims burn bibles" turns up a number of links of people doing just that. I don't remember anyone being upset - I don't even remember the stories at all.

thehunter
08-02-2010, 09:52 AM
That's because Christians don't send fatwas merely for drawing Jesus' picture!:D

MelissaWV
08-02-2010, 12:28 PM
A rather pointless exercise, but I'll be interested to see if these guys start getting death threats from the jihadis...

The signs have been vandalized repeatedly. I went by and there's also the nice big sign about not wanting a "*** Mayor"; apparently there will be protests on that, too. The signs looked brighter white than I remembered, which suggests to me they have been recently defaced and repainted.

There were about two vehicles in the entire lot.

It's a shame; I have fond memories of that church when I was little, or at least the big lawn in front. It was an awesome spot to spread out a towel, read a book, and get a tan. Now, I guess if you tan too much they BBQ you :eek:

LibertyVox
08-02-2010, 12:37 PM
It's a shame; I have fond memories of that church when I was little

Remember luv: things could be worse. At least this isn't fucking pretentious socialist utopia called europe.
So next time your up there, go to your church, spread a towel get a tan and enjoy life. It would be a tragedy if you let a few clowns force you to have selective fond memories to chose from.

LibertyVox
08-02-2010, 12:48 PM
I encountered their welcoming white signs with red lettering (there were three in total):

ISLAM

IS OF THE

DEVIL!



I think they possibly are onto something. But if you feel that this actually is counter productive, then you could just forward them this vid. If any thing we might be able to wean the millenarians from AIPAC. But then they might become true anti-semites and end up raising a temple to Thor.
.....or it might help them on their journey to (xtian) Deism.



YouTube - A Jew explains why Allah is the one and only God (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3XUNwPcIZg&feature=related)

someperson
08-02-2010, 02:43 PM
lol actions like this are as childish as freedom fries.

wizardwatson
08-02-2010, 02:58 PM
So that's what a "christfag science fiction book" is? I wonder how it would go over if I called the Koran the "Mohammed the pedophile book"?

For the record everyone on this thread (including the Christians) said this is dumb.

There's more fear involved in making fun of Muslims than Christians. The same way there's more fear involved in making fun of blacks than gays.

I always thought it was interesting that very few white comedians will discuss race or make racial jokes, and yet its a staple of black stand-up. Daniel Tosh is honestly the first comedian I've seen that makes racially charged jokes a standard part of his act. Still he won't say "******" even when discussing the word out of context, though this could just be a network call.

It also annoyed me when Eminem chose to combat the criticism of his constant use of the word "******" by doing a bit on-stage with token gay musician Elton John. If Eminem had any real gay friends, I doubt he'd use the word so much, though who knows with the way he talks about people in his family.

I just think it's all hypocrisy though. Imagine if Eminem used the word "******" profusely on his album. Do you think Ice T, or Paul Mooney would hold hands with him on stage? I doubt it.

MelissaWV
08-02-2010, 05:12 PM
Oh I'm not being selective about my memories, but I'm not going there now that I've moved back to the area. I don't need to do anything to them. The change in membership is an obvious enough sign that the hatred and paranoia are not as popular as the "typical" Christianity they used to espouse.

They're going to go out of business there shortly, and they'll likely blame it on the gays or the Muslims, but then it will go back to being pine forest and grazing land, and a nice open field where flowers grow in the spring :)