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Agorism
07-31-2010, 05:17 PM
FBI admits probing ‘radical’ historian Zinn for criticizing bureau (http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0730/fbi-admits-probing-zinn-criticizing-bureau)


They don’t like social movements. They work for the establishment and the corporations and the politicos to keep things as they are. And they want to frighten and chill the people who are trying to change things. So the best defense against them and resistance against them is simply to keep on fighting back, to keep on exposing them.

Vessol
07-31-2010, 05:31 PM
Meh..Howard Zinn was also really sympathetic to socialism :\

"Let's talk about socialism. I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name. Socialism had a good name in this country. Socialism had Eugene Debs. It had Clarence Darrow. It had Mother Jones. It had Emma Goldman. It had several million people reading socialist newspapers around the country. Socialism basically said, hey, let's have a kinder, gentler society. Let's share things. Let's have an economic system that produces things not because they're profitable for some corporation, but produces things that people need. People should not be retreating from the word socialism because you have to go beyond capitalism."

YumYum
07-31-2010, 08:32 PM
Link TV had a great documentary on Zinn called "You Can't Be Neutral On A Moving Train." He was a true activist.

AmericaFyeah92
08-01-2010, 12:34 AM
Meh..Howard Zinn was also really sympathetic to socialism :\

"Let's talk about socialism. I think it's very important to bring back the idea of socialism into the national discussion to where it was at the turn of the [last] century before the Soviet Union gave it a bad name. Socialism had a good name in this country. Socialism had Eugene Debs. It had Clarence Darrow. It had Mother Jones. It had Emma Goldman. It had several million people reading socialist newspapers around the country. Socialism basically said, hey, let's have a kinder, gentler society. Let's share things. Let's have an economic system that produces things not because they're profitable for some corporation, but produces things that people need. People should not be retreating from the word socialism because you have to go beyond capitalism."

Pick your battles, dude. He was a great anti-war voice, and was the first to really challenge the court historians' version of American history.

BenIsForRon
08-01-2010, 12:48 AM
zinn was the man. Who cares about ideology, look at his actions. He did a lot of good for this country.

nate895
08-01-2010, 01:17 AM
zinn was the man. Who cares about ideology, look at his actions. He did a lot of good for this country.

No, he turned off entire segments of American society from ever critically examining American policies. Because of Howard Zinn and his ilk, the vast majority of conservatives in this country, who would otherwise be friendly to our ideas, absolutely will not question the government's line on anything besides taxes and spending. That was a major problem in 2008 that may now be healing since the ones questioning the establishment's view on things are people like Thomas E. Woods, Judge Napolitano, and other conservative/libertarians. I just hope that will continue to be the case when Republicans retake power.

WaltM
08-01-2010, 01:49 AM
A good time to remind ourselves, what FBI couldn't do, Zionists can (without secret and within the law).

YumYum
08-01-2010, 07:27 AM
Because of Howard Zinn and his ilk,

Who is his "ilk"?

AmericaFyeah92
08-01-2010, 11:33 AM
No, he turned off entire segments of American society from ever critically examining American policies. Because of Howard Zinn and his ilk, the vast majority of conservatives in this country, who would otherwise be friendly to our ideas, absolutely will not question the government's line on anything besides taxes and spending. That was a major problem in 2008 that may now be healing since the ones questioning the establishment's view on things are people like Thomas E. Woods, Judge Napolitano, and other conservative/libertarians. I just hope that will continue to be the case when Republicans retake power.

Is that Zinn and his "ilk's" fault, or the fault of narrow-minded, dogmatic, ignorant conservatives who refuse to hear others' point of view?

Zinn was a patriot, and he had that rarest of qualities: moral courage.

Cowlesy
08-01-2010, 04:56 PM
No, he turned off entire segments of American society from ever critically examining American policies. Because of Howard Zinn and his ilk, the vast majority of conservatives in this country, who would otherwise be friendly to our ideas, absolutely will not question the government's line on anything besides taxes and spending. That was a major problem in 2008 that may now be healing since the ones questioning the establishment's view on things are people like Thomas E. Woods, Judge Napolitano, and other conservative/libertarians. I just hope that will continue to be the case when Republicans retake power.

I think that's partially true, as a lot of the people who voted in 1972 didn't want anything to do with the socialists and hippies even though they opposed the war.