Huff Post Front Page: To His Dismay, Ron Paul Becoming Magnet For White Supremacists

[Alabama Supporter]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...b_n_68575.html

This can be handled early. Please be diplomatic...

EDITED(No need to "stamp it out", it must be addressed sooner or later. Sooner is better than later)

[kylejack]

Don't slam on the post writer. Its a real issue and a real concern.

[Paulitician]

What do you mean "stamp it out"?

I don't think there's anything one can do about it.

[Mr. White]

mmmmm I'm comfortable with it. If "To his dismay" was not there, I wouldn't be. The truth isn't always rainbows and sunshine. Don't think this is a grassfire that can be put out.

[ItsTime]

They could not have wrote about it.... but they did... it is a soft hit piece that will damage him a lot


Don't slam on the post writer. Its a real issue and a real concern.

[TechnoGuyRob]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...b_n_68575.html

Stamp this out folks.

This can be handled early. Please be diplomatic...

Simple! Throw a bucket with black paint over the good doctor...

[kylejack]

They could not have wrote about it.... but they did... it is a soft hit piece that will damage him a lot
They're not Ron Paul shills...they're reporting on the election. This is happening, so they're reporting it. I don't think any of us can deny that white supremacists are most likely to support Ron over any other candidate...that's not Ron's fault, but it is a concern.

[steph3n]

They are very active here on the forums, only a matter of time until it hits the NYT unless Dr Paul does something about it.

[ItsTime]

they could have reported on things much better than this. faulty phone polls? the huge grassroots support? and countless other positive things for paul.. or how the CFR is taking control of both parties? That is just crazy as this


They're not Ron Paul shills...they're reporting on the election. This is happening, so they're reporting it. I don't think any of us can deny that white supremacists are most likely to support Ron over any other candidate...that's not Ron's fault, but it is a concern.

[hard@work]

We can handle this by bringing in the minority vote.

[SouthernGuy15]

Look at the black supremacists that support other candidates! Look at how certain latino supremacists support candidates who want to allow unlimited illegal immigration!

[Ozwest]

They supported Ronald Reagan when he ran. What can you do? It's sniping.

[steph3n]

Reagan denounced them.


They supported Ronald Reagan when he ran. What can you do? It's sniping.

[BuddyRey]

mmmmm I'm comfortable with it. If "To his dismay" was not there, I wouldn't be.

Ditto. This doesn't seem like such a bad story, keeping in mind that the author goes out of his/her way to explain that RP does NOT share the views of the White Nationalist movement. It is unfortunate, however, that this should even be a news story. I'm a 9/11 Skeptic, but just because I'm voting for RP doesn't necessarily mean that RP shares my 9/11 views. The point of emphasis for anti-government or anti-globalist voters should be that, even if RP disagrees with their interpretations of who the "bad guy" is, RP is the only candidate who advocates removing the conditions under which these "bad guys" assume power.

[yoshimaroka]

Wasn't there a mention somewhere about that Ron Paul polling the highest amongst black people in NH?

[ItsTime]

agreed, I have total mix feelings about this write up lol


Ditto. This doesn't seem like such a bad story, keeping in mind that the author goes out of his/her way to explain that RP does NOT share the views of the White Nationalist movement. It is unfortunate, however, that this should even be a news story. I'm a 9/11 Skeptic, but just because I'm voting for RP doesn't necessarily mean that RP shares my 9/11 views. The point of emphasis for anti-government or anti-globalist voters should be that, even if RP disagrees with their interpretations of who the "bad guy" is, RP is the only candidate who advocates removing the conditions under which these "bad guys" assume power.

[Ozwest]

Reagan denounced them.

I'm sure Rons not going to embrace them.

[SouthernGuy15]

I wonder who La Raza is supporting? I'm certain it is not Ron Paul!

http://www.nclr.org/

[nullvalu]

I agree, it's a shitty story to run, but hey - some may think it's newsworthy and it's not like it's false reporting.. at least the author goes out of his way to make sure it's clear Ron Paul hasn't endorsed or saught out this sort of support..

Although I'd like to see mention also on how anti-war, liberal, and even socialist groups are now supporting Ron Paul.. It's not that he's just attracting White Supremacists or fringe supporters.. Ron Paul's message is attracting everyone.. the fringes just happen to have the loudest mouths..

[Paulitician]

It would be somewhat hypocritical of Ron if he were to denounce them, seeing as how he constantly puts emphasis on individuals, and not groups.

[Hope]

Reagan denounced them.

I think that was a mistake though. There are lots of things various Ron Paul supporters believe that I don't adhere to. That doesn't mean they should be condemned by the campaign. It seems antithetical to Ron Paul's message.

[noxagol]

I wonder who La Raza is supporting? I'm certain it is not Ron Paul!

http://www.nclr.org/

Yes but they aren't brown supremesists, they are minority activists working for equal rights for their people! [/sarcasm]

[RonPaulGetsIt]

There are a million african americans incarcerated for petty drug crimes. They are seperated from their families. This, together with the trap of welfare, is doing more harm than anything else. Ron Paul is the only one that will change this. I just don't get this smear tactic when Ron Paul's ideas offer real hope for black americans.

[ItsTime]

I saw people on Lou Dobbs tonight talking about how it is the person who can bring all groups together that will win.... what better candidate than Ron Paul?


I agree, it's a shitty story to run, but hey - some may think it's newsworthy and it's not like it's false reporting.. at least the author goes out of his way to make sure it's clear Ron Paul hasn't endorsed or saught out this sort of support..

Although I'd like to see mention also on how anti-war, liberal, and even socialist groups are now supporting Ron Paul.. It's not that he's just attracting White Supremacists.. Ron Paul's message is attracting everyone..

[steph3n]

I think that was a mistake though. There are lots of things various Ron Paul supporters believe that I don't adhere to. That doesn't mean they should be condemned by the campaign. It seems antithetical to Ron Paul's message.

There is one group having a donation widget on their site right now.
in addition to this he would not accept Bush's endorsement, likewise he should be vocal about these when they happen.

[nullvalu]

I saw people on Lou Dobbs tonight talking about how it is the person who can bring all groups together that will win.... what better candidate than Ron Paul?

Jesus if these people would open their eyes they would see this is already going on..

[ItsTime]

I brush it off for now as breaking people in for Ron Paul... If they do not start talking about him by Oct 31 they are all idiots :) lol


Jesus if these people would open their eyes they would see this is already going on..

[rodent]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...b_n_68575.html

This can be handled early. Please be diplomatic...

EDITED(No need to "stamp it out", it must be addressed sooner or later. Sooner is better than later)

Weird thing about white nationalists is that a lot of them like to idolize the Nazi party. The thing about the Nazi party was that it operated in a way that was totally about government intervention and a police state. If they want a police state, why would they vote for Ron Paul?

[Ozwest]

As Ron Paul says: He may not condone your behaviour, but if you are within the law, you should be left alone.

[Hope]

There is one group having a donation widget on their site right now.
in addition to this he would not accept Bush's endorsement, likewise he should be vocal about these when they happen.

They're not asking for for any kind of official endorsement, though. That's the key point.

[4Horsemen]

What power does this group really have? They're a joke where ever they go, and they have no power what so ever. It's really a non-issue to me. Why report who they support in the first place unless they're trying to imply something. If you're anti-big government, pro Constitution, and anti-globalization then you must be a Nazi skin head. What a joke, I wonder who really funds these stupid groups..

[steph3n]

They're not asking for his endorsement. That's the key point.

they are endorsing and having him prominently on their site via the donation widget, this is clearly going to cause immense problems if allowed to continue.

[leipo]

Well this was gonna happen sooner or later. But i'm glad it's a fair article.

[Paulitician]

Weird thing about white nationalists is that a lot of them like to idolize the Nazi party. The thing about the Nazi party was that it operated in a way that was totally about government intervention and a police state. If they want a police state, why would they vote for Ron Paul?
At the same time they have a collectivist attitude, which Ron Paul absolutely opposes. But who cares. I think the biggest reason for anyone to support Ron Paul is because he or she knows Ron Paul is honest and will not sell this country out, unlike most other candidates. Not to mention his policies make a hell of a lot of sense, no matter which group you belong to.

[nullvalu]

they are endorsing and having him prominently on their site via the donation widget, this is clearly going to cause immense problems if allowed to continue.

NO it isn't. If Ron Paul came out denouncing it, it would only draw more attention to it. To be fair, they have the right to support whoever they want. I'm glad it's our guy.. I'm not glad they're flaunting it - but it's a free country.

[Hope]

they are endorsing and having him prominently on their site via the donation widget, this is clearly going to cause immense problems if allowed to continue.

So only certain groups should be "allowed" to have the donation widget on their website?

It really sounds like people are making a moral judgment here about who gets to support Ron Paul.

My take on it is, if Ron Paul is willing to take crap from the media for going on Alex Jones, why should we care about this?

[nullvalu]

At the same time they have a collectivist attitude

Not to mention they're fueled by hate.. Remember "2 minutes hate" from 1984? Hate on such levels supresses logic.. At least they're on the right track.. maybe Ron's message is something they've been looking for.. maybe it will help them.. let's try and look on the bright side sometimes, people.. and that's a lot coming from me - the glass is always half-empty.. :)

[Paulitician]

So only certain groups should be "allowed" to have the donation widget on their website?

It really sounds like people are making a moral judgment here about who gets to support Ron Paul.

My take on it is, if Ron Paul is willing to take crap from the media for going on Alex Jones, why should we care about this?
Exactly, 9/11 truthers piss me off but they have every right to show their support for Ron Paul. WNs or any other groups are no different.

[Ron Paul Fan]

I wish they wouldn't promote him on their website, but you can't really tell them not to do so. They're free to do as they choose if they're obeying the law. They may bring more harm than good to Congressman Paul, but they're supporters just like anyone else I guess. You can't legislate morality.

[steph3n]

So only certain groups should be "allowed" to have the donation widget on their website?

It really sounds like people are making a moral judgment here about who gets to support Ron Paul.

My take on it is, if Ron Paul is willing to take crap from the media for going on Alex Jones, why should we care about this?

People give money to further their agenda, people give support to further their agenda. A group does this in more force than a person. their agenda is corrupt and illegal.

[michaelwise]

The story is just trying to divert attention away from the top issues. Or perhaps they would prefer that we repeal the constitution altogether.

[fightfortruth]

I agree, it's a shitty story to run, but hey - some may think it's newsworthy and it's not like it's false reporting.. at least the author goes out of his way to make sure it's clear Ron Paul hasn't endorsed or saught out this sort of support..

Although I'd like to see mention also on how anti-war, liberal, and even socialist groups are now supporting Ron Paul.. It's not that he's just attracting White Supremacists or fringe supporters.. Ron Paul's message is attracting everyone.. the fringes just happen to have the loudest mouths..

I think that you make a really good point. These types of groups do have the loudest mouths and they twist things up to agree with their belief system. There is nothing that you can do about this. I do think it would be wise for Ron Paul to denounce them if this becomes a big issue though.

The truth is that the media will do anything to tarnish Ron Paul and they are just trying to hit below the belt with this insinuation.

[steph3n]

I think that you make a really good point. These types of groups do have the loudest mouths and they twist things up to agree with their belief system. There is nothing that you can do about this. I do think it would be wise for Ron Paul to denounce them if this becomes a big issue though.

The truth is that the media will do anything to tarnish Ron Paul and they are just trying to hit below the belt with this insinuation.

EXACTLY, if he doesn't speak up it will BLOW UP!

[Question_Authority]

I like the comment someone posted. I am going to use this as an argument if someone ever brings it up to me:

"I don't think Ron Paul has any more control over right wing Bigots declaring their support for him --than JESUS DOES, when right wing bigots say they are HIS followers..... I'm betting neither are thrilled "

HAH! Perfect!

[Hope]

EXACTLY, if he doesn't speak up it will BLOW UP!

Not so. The kind of people who would make the absurd claim that Ron Paul is himself racist do not have a need for nor care about having evidence to that aim.

Meanwhile, Ron Paul could denounce WNs until he was blue in the face and it would not earn him a shred of credibility.

The media circus is funny like that.

[murrayrothbard]

doesn't a white supremacist have the right to be one? doesn't a black supremacist have the right to be one? doesn't a purple supremacist have the right to be one?

So basically everyone's upset because some non-PC group of individuals with a wacked-out, closed-minded ideology supports ron paul? get over it. their vote counts just as much as yours.:rolleyes:

[steph3n]

you are not correct on this one, when someone associates with you that you in business that you do not agree with and starts trying to force you to do anything, you deny that direction and go on. The same must be done in politics.


Not so. The kind of people who would make the absurd claim that Ron Paul is himself racist do not have a need for nor care about having evidence to that aim.

Meanwhile, Ron Paul could denounce WNs until he was blue in the face and it would not earn him a shred of credibility.

The media circus is funny like that.

[steph3n]

if the endorsements from them are allowed to continue it is acceptance by negligence, and yes much of what they say is not legal if implemented.


doesn't a white supremacist have the right to be one? doesn't a black supremacist have the right to be one? doesn't a purple supremacist have the right to be one?

So basically everyone's upset because some non-PC group of individuals with a wacked-out, closed-minded ideology supports ron paul? get over it. their vote counts just as much as yours.:rolleyes:

[max]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/1...b_n_68575.html

This can be handled early. Please be diplomatic...

EDITED(No need to "stamp it out", it must be addressed sooner or later. Sooner is better than later)

in 1990's, the us communist party named hillary person of the year.....but of course, MSM would never write:

"through no fault of her own, Hillary is attracting communists"......

what a sickening double standard...this was a veiled hit piece despite his opening "disclaimer" which was meant to make the writer seem objective

[nullvalu]

you are not correct on this one, when someone associates with you that you in business that you do not agree with and starts trying to force you to do anything, you deny that direction and go on. The same must be done in politics.

Yeah, but in business you don't put out press releases and go on the news talking about how you denounce that other business..

I say leave it alone, and if it's brought up then address it..

[steph3n]

no doubt, I have made the same argument about La Raza democrats endorsing on other blogs when this came up
And many times they are addressed.



in 1990's, the us communist party named hillary person of the year.....but of course, MSM would never write:

"through no fault of her own, Hillary is attracting communists"......

what a sickening double standard...this was a veiled hit piece despite his opening "disclaimer" which was meant to make the writer seem objective

[Chernitsky]

this is why freedom in America is a myth and will forever be that way

[steph3n]

Yeah, but in business you don't put out press releases and go on the news talking about how you denounce that other business..

I say leave it alone, and if it's brought up then address it..

right, and it has been brought up, so you simply IGNORE it? that does nothing for you.

[Hope]

People give money to further their agenda, people give support to further their agenda. A group does this in more force than a person. their agenda is corrupt and illegal.

I hate to break this to you, but racism is not illegal. And this particular group has definitively condemned all illegal activity (violence, etc.) in their agenda. Just because we disagree with them doesn't mean they shouldn't be in the big tent, as it were.

[fightfortruth]

What power does this group really have? They're a joke where ever they go, and they have no power what so ever. It's really a non-issue to me. Why report who they support in the first place unless they're trying to imply something. If you're anti-big government, pro Constitution, and anti-globalization then you must be a Nazi skin head. What a joke, I wonder who really funds these stupid groups..

I completely agree with your statement. It is like they are trying to imply that Ron Paul supporters are somehow not the norm and neither is he. They have been doing that from the beginning. They talked about how 9/11 truthers support him, how homeschoolers support him, how conspiracy theorists support him. Now it's the neo nazi supporters. It is ridiculous. It is like saying that just because Charles Manson liked the bible, then everyone who likes the bible has the same mentality or that it must mean that there is something fundamentally wrong with the bible. Both statements are untrue. That is a completely ridiculous way to think.

I don't care if they like him, they do not represent me in any way what-so-ever or Ron Paul for that matter.

A way to counter act this is to get Ron Paul the $12 million and keep doing what we are doing.

[fightfortruth]

I like the comment someone posted. I am going to use this as an argument if someone ever brings it up to me:

"I don't think Ron Paul has any more control over right wing Bigots declaring their support for him --than JESUS DOES, when right wing bigots say they are HIS followers..... I'm betting neither are thrilled "

HAH! Perfect!

That is a good quote. I think we everyone should memorize this one.

[Lord Xar]

this is stupid. Because there are many 'brown' hate groups that support obama because he says he will FOR SURE grant amnesty... so, whats the deal!!

This is just another hit piece.. out of all the huge items for Ron Paul -- thousands marching/walking for the Freedom Walk etc.. and this is the "news" they can come up with. THIS IS A HIT PIECE.. Its phukkin stupid!

Post something positive.. how many friggin white supremacists out there are there? a couple thousand.. big deal!!!

Freedom appeals to EVERYONE!

[Chernitsky]

this is stupid. Because there are many 'brown' hate groups that support obama because he says he will FOR SURE grant amnesty... so, whats the deal!!

This is just another hit piece.. out of all the huge items for Ron Paul -- thousands marching/walking for the Freedom Walk etc.. and this is the "news" they can come up with. THIS IS A HIT PIECE.. Its phukkin stupid!

Post something positive.. how many friggin white supremacists out there are there? a couple thousand.. big deal!!!

Freedom appeals to EVERYONE!

I would venture to say there are millions and their size will continue to grow as illegal immigration spreads

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[Ozwest]

I completely agree with your statement. It is like they are trying to imply that Ron Paul supporters are somehow not the norm and neither is he. They have been doing that from the beginning. They talked about how 9/11 truthers support him, how homeschoolers support him, how conspiracy theorists support him. Now it's the neo nazi supporters. It is ridiculous. It is like saying that just because Charles Mansin liked the bible, then everyone who likes the bible has the same mentality or that it must mean that there is something fundamentally wrong with the bible. Both statements are untrue. That is a completely ridiculous way to think.

I don't care if they like him, they do not represent me in any way what-so-ever or Ron Paul for that matter.

A way to counter act this is to get Ron Paul the $12 million and keep doing what we are doing.

All those little slices of the pie, add up to be one healthy slice of voters.

[fightfortruth]

if the endorsements from them are allowed to continue it is acceptance by negligence, and yes much of what they say is not legal if implemented.

Though I do not agree with what these people are saying and I do not appreciate that they are trying to attach themselves to Ron Paul's message in some way, that doesn't mean that they do not have the right to say it. Their first amendment rights are just as good as your or mine.

What is that quote, I think by Thomas Payne " I may not agree with you but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

[LibertyEagle]

they are endorsing and having him prominently on their site via the donation widget, this is clearly going to cause immense problems if allowed to continue.

Allowed to continue? How do you propose it be stopped? I don't agree with these people, but aren't they allowed to support the candidate of their choice?

All Paul can do is deliver his message. It is not one of divisiveness, or of special rights for any groups.

[Taco John]

I think Tucker did more damage than this piece did.

[steph3n]

The donation widget on the site will be a major problem. Mark my words.


Allowed to continue? How do you propose it be stopped? I don't agree with these people, but aren't they allowed to support the candidate of their choice?

All Paul can do is deliver his message. It is not one of divisiveness, or of special rights for any groups.

[Corydoras]

Reagan denounced them.

And I wish OUR Ron would denounce these guys.
I mean, who else are they going to vote for? Ron has nothing to lose and a great deal to gain from denouncing them.

This whole issue needs taking care of. Kucinich was harmed immensely by the way that the Maharishi people glommed onto him and he still has not gotten over it. And the Maharishi people are close to harmless compared to the white supremacists.

I myself got the "I hear he's a racist" thing from a friend, and I had to go over the whole thing about "He didn't write the newsletter, he fired the guy who wrote it, and Ron told the press that even though he didn't write it, he took responsibility for it going out under his name and he apologized for it."

At least this article starts out with "To his dismay" and "Through no fault of his own." But I think RP should do something about this. Too much to gain and nothing to lose by denouncing them.

[jasonhlasvegas2008]

The libertarian-minded ideology of Ron Paul is the complete opposite of what White Supremacists stand for. They don't quite seem to get that.

Didn't this same thing happen to Goldwater in 1964?

[SKW322]

I truly hope he gets their votes.

as well as the Black Nationalist votes, and radical Muslim votes, and the votes of Hispanic citizens that want to "take back" the U.S. and so on

Everyone made to feel less-than-included in the system should be able to rally around the concept of civil liberties.

[Hope]

And I wish OUR Ron would denounce these guys.
I mean, who else are they going to vote for? Ron has nothing to lose and a great deal to gain from denouncing them.





I hope I never see the day Ron Paul stops acting on principle for what is right and instead does merely what is in his best interests.

[Corydoras]

I truly hope he gets their votes.

as well as the Black Nationalist votes, and radical Muslim votes, and the votes of Hispanic citizens that want to "take back" the U.S. and so on

Everyone made to feel less-than-included in the system should be able to rally around the concept of civil liberties.


I feel the same way, liberty ought to be everyone's concern.

But he stands to lose a lot of votes if he doesn't denounce this group of what, only 3,000 people, who also are so spread out through the country that their votes are not going to swing any elections.

[Corydoras]

I hope I never see the day Ron Paul stops acting on principle for what is right and instead does merely what is in his best interest.

Thank you, Governor Huckabee.

OUR best interest is getting him elected.

[Hope]

I feel the same way, liberty ought to be everyone's concern.

But he stands to lose a lot of votes if he doesn't denounce this group of what, only 3,000 people, who also are so spread out through the country that their votes are not going to swing any elections.

Uh, there are over 100,000 members of the site with the widget we're discussing.

[DeadheadForPaul]

The author actually did a decent job of addressing this. We know this issue is going to come up and this person actually did us a favor by stating that Ron Paul's message is the complete opposite of nationalism

By the way, if you're a white nationalist and on this board, please stop connecting yourself publicly with the campaign and let your brethren know it as well. This is another example of some group trying to use Dr. Paul's campaign to advance their own views. The freedom message directly contradicts your ridiculous viewpoint. We see individuals rather than groups!

[Hope]

Thank you, Governor Huckabee.

OUR best interest is getting him elected.

Honestly, with a statement like that I think you've stopped seeing the forest for the trees. Ron Paul doesn't throw people over the side of the boat just because he doesn't agree with their ideology. What you seem to be suggesting is even worse...that he should single out groups who support his candidacy simply because their views are unpopular. That's completely antithetical to his message. "The message of liberty brings us together, it doesn't divide us."

[walt]

They are very active here on the forums, only a matter of time until it hits the NYT unless Dr Paul does something about it.

we must not offend the white supremacists (sarcasm font on)...

:rolleyes:

[Jojo]

They could not have wrote about it.... but they did... it is a soft hit piece that will damage him a lot

Could be a soft hit piece. Not sure if it will be so damaging.
If they are merely reporting on the campaign, why don't they report on the amazing number of (non white supremacist) people that show up at Paul's rallies for example? Or do they?

[walt]

EXACTLY, if he doesn't speak up it will BLOW UP!


sounds EXACTLY like another issue....hmmm

:rolleyes:

[DeadheadForPaul]

White supremacists supporting Goldwater hurt his chances to win.

If Dr. Paul does not denounce these groups, the same will certainly happen to him

I guarantee it

[cac1963]

They're not Ron Paul shills...they're reporting on the election. This is happening, so they're reporting it. I don't think any of us can deny that white supremacists are most likely to support Ron over any other candidate...that's not Ron's fault, but it is a concern.

We need a followup article interviewing some blacks and hispanics and jews who are living the Ron Paul Revolution right now, and a nice tie-in to how Paul brings the country together based on our common ground.

Birchers and Liberals united to support Paul?? Paul's a geniune miracle worker in that case.

[Drknows]

NO it isn't. If Ron Paul came out denouncing it, it would only draw more attention to it. To be fair, they have the right to support whoever they want. I'm glad it's our guy.. I'm not glad they're flaunting it - but it's a free country.


You know how he wrote a reply towards the NH editor couple weeks ago? i think he could do the same here and just address it and get it out of the way.

It could be a one paragraph reply speaking about how believes every man is created equal and how he strongly disagrees with racist agendas.

Its better to face your problems now than later. This issue keeps popping back up.

[cac1963]

I myself got the "I hear he's a racist" thing from a friend, and I had to go over the whole thing about "He didn't write the newsletter, he fired the guy who wrote it, and Ron told the press that even though he didn't write it, he took responsibility for it going out under his name and he apologized for it."



When you get that again, tell the person to go tell all Ron Paul's black supporters that he's a racist. And believe me, there are a ton of them out there, especially here in the south.

[FrankRep]

Who should we ban next?

[Shellshock1918]

Arianna huffington is such waste of skin. A dreadful bitch.

[DeadheadForPaul]

Let's face it: 1.) Newsletter 2.) White supremacist supporters 3.) voted against Civil Rights Act 4) Voted against medal for Rosa Parks

It does NOT look good

he needs to address this NOW. Not tomorrow. NOW

[inibo]

One of the comments on the HuffPo piece.


Well, I don't know if white supremacists are supporting Ron Paul or anti-Semites are supporting Ron Paul. But I am Jewish and supporting Ron Paul full time. I am strongly Zionist also. I love Israel. I send my money to Israel and have donated my oldest child to Israel. But I am not in favor of taking one dime from anyone else and sending it to Israel. I know Dr. Paul and have for over 20 years. He doesn't have a racist bone in his body. Why not have Obama and Clinton disavow the socialists and communists who support them? This is clearly the beginning of the drumbeat of hit pieces on Dr. Paul. The simple fact is this: Individual Liberty is not always pretty. It allows people of diverse views to come together. But it must be peaceful. If someone is a White supremacist, I don't give a darn as long as he's peaceful. Anti-Semite? Big deal, as long as he's peaceful. If these people are not peaceful, that's part of the reason we have a right to bear arms.

My cockles are all warm and stuff.

[hard@work]

Let's face it: 1.) Newsletter 2.) White supremacist supporters 3.) voted against Civil Rights Act 4) Voted against medal for Rosa Parks

It does NOT look good

he needs to address this NOW. Not tomorrow. NOW


Let's not forget the waves of "JEWS! JEWS did it!!". Yes, this will be a serious issue. He should not make a public statement though, he should handle it when he's ready how he's ready.

We should be going after minority voters. White supremecists consist of a small minority of his support. They stand against the philosophy of liberty but understand that they benefit from it. We cannot let this deter us, we can fight for equality and liberty the proper way and let them huddle into smaller and smaller enclaves but at least not be harassed.

If we really want to handle this we need to take the message to the inner city. I wonder how many of you are brave enough to take this message to the black man and proudly stand with him.

They are in need of Dr. Paul much more than the stormfront crowd.

[FrankRep]

What did the Constitution say about racism?

[American]

I love it when people fall for this bullshit with the whole collectivist mentality or groups. I think Dr. Paul addressed this many times, we are individuals and freedom is popular with all walks of life, I bet there are some extraterrestrial aliens out there that also like his message.


Go ahead an micro manage the piss out of this topic, the reply if anyone runs into this is simple. .............FREEDOM IS POPULAR!!!!!!

[Drknows]

Let's face it: 1.) Newsletter 2.) White supremacist supporters 3.) voted against Civil Rights Act 4) Voted against medal for Rosa Parks

It does NOT look good

he needs to address this NOW. Not tomorrow. NOW

Ahh but i thought he offered to pay for the medal out of his own pocket?

See we will have problems like this because he votes against anything that has to do with using tax payer money.

He needs to address the HUFF post i agree. We all know he doesn't have a racist bone in his body but uniformed voters don't.

[cac1963]

Let's face it: 1.) Newsletter 2.) White supremacist supporters 3.) voted against Civil Rights Act 4) Voted against medal for Rosa Parks

It does NOT look good

he needs to address this NOW. Not tomorrow. NOW

We all bleed red blood, and we're all Americans, warts and all. Each of us wanting our freedom back and government off our backs and to reign in this unauthorized empire we've become is our common ground. And the fact that we're coming together from opposite extremes peacefully to achieve it is something to be proud of and shouted from the rooftops. How many neo-nazis or race-baiters are in your meetup group? Do you have any idea? Probably not, because that's not important. You all want what everybody else in this revolution wants. And your fear of this being a gross negative for Paul will very quickly be neutralized when everybody recognizes the diversity of his supporters.

[hard@work]

We all bleed red blood, and we're all Americans, warts and all. Each of us wanting our freedom back and government off our backs and to reign in this unauthorized empire we've become is our common ground. And the fact that we're coming together from opposite extremes peacefully to achieve it is something to be proud of and shouted from the rooftops. How many neo-nazis or race-baiters are in your meetup group? Do you have any idea? Probably not, because that's not important. You all want what everybody else in this revolution wants. And your fear of this being a gross negative for Paul will very quickly be neutralized when everybody recognizes the diversity of his supporters.

True, and we do have the advantage of the Goldwater experience. We can use that to fight back.

[DeadheadForPaul]

We all bleed red blood, and we're all Americans, warts and all. Each of us wanting our freedom back and government off our backs and to reign in this unauthorized empire we've become is our common ground. And the fact that we're coming together from opposite extremes peacefully to achieve it is something to be proud of and shouted from the rooftops. How many neo-nazis or race-baiters are in your meetup group? Do you have any idea? Probably not, because that's not important. You all want what everybody else in this revolution wants. And your fear of this being a gross negative for Paul will very quickly be neutralized when everybody recognizes the diversity of his supporters.

You are not as cynical as I am. Americans are idiots and the media will spoonfeed them "Ron Paul is a racist"

[steph3n]

people just need to understand their free speech has consequences and it may result in the opposite of what they want.

[Corydoras]

Honestly, with a statement like that I think you've stopped seeing the forest for the trees.

I'm voting for him out of self-interest. I want to see some serious presidential pressure against the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and the Real ID Act, and I want to see the Insurrection Act and habeas corpus restored. I am voting for him for myself, and I want him to get elected.

I agree with Deadhead.
NOW.

[cac1963]

If we really want to handle this we need to take the message to the inner city. I wonder how many of you are brave enough to take this message to the black man and proudly stand with him.



Every single day. And judging from personal observations after spending the last 15 days on different intersections around town waving a Ron Paul sign, BLACKS are more turned on by Paul than whites. At least in my 60% majority-black southern city.

[Drknows]

Arianna huffington is such waste of skin. A dreadful bitch.

But shes has media cred because shes always on MSNBC.

I really wish Ron Paul would write them like he did the NH editor.

[robatsu]

Ignore it. If you must respond, parochial black and latino racial interests are supporitng various dems. Moneyed apartheid Zionists are supporting various neocon candidates, blah blah blah.

Boring troll bait.

[Hook]

I completely agree with your statement. It is like they are trying to imply that Ron Paul supporters are somehow not the norm and neither is he. They have been doing that from the beginning. .

We aren't the norm! If we were, we would be voting for Hillary.
Duh :)

[Ron Paul Fan]

Let's face it: 1.) Newsletter 2.) White supremacist supporters 3.) voted against Civil Rights Act 4) Voted against medal for Rosa Parks

It does NOT look good

he needs to address this NOW. Not tomorrow. NOW

1. Newsletter has been addressed- He didn't write it.

2. People have the right to support whoever they want. Congressman Paul cannot stop them from doing so.

3. He's against affirmative action.

4. He also voted against giving medals to Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul, and Tony Blair. I guess he hates all actors, Popes, and Britians too! He should make a statement clarifying this or he won't get elected!

I trust Congressman Paul's judgement here. If he thinks the best course of action is to denounce them, then I will support him. If he thinks otherwise, then I will support him. I'm not here to tell Ron Paul what he needs to do. He doesn't want to run my life and I don't want to run his.

[Nefertiti]

When you get that again, tell the person to go tell all Ron Paul's black supporters that he's a racist. And believe me, there are a ton of them out there, especially here in the south.

Well, there certainly aren't many here in Chicago, but then we are in Obamaland so that could have something to do with it. I saw a total of one black person in the audience when he came to speak, and there was a total of one at our walk the other day-granted they were actually two different people but considering that blacks are the largest percentage of Chicagoans I have to admit it is a bit problematic especially when we are marching down the street and we are almost 100% white, with a handful of Asians and one black among us. We have got to diversify in terms of race if we want to win this thing. We do have a diversity of religious viewpoints and political views among us as supporters but I don't see a lot of racial diversity.

[Nefertiti]

One of the comments on the HuffPo piece.



My cockles are all warm and stuff.

"I donated my child to Israel"...That person was around here in the forums before.

[Nefertiti]

If we really want to handle this we need to take the message to the inner city. I wonder how many of you are brave enough to take this message to the black man and proudly stand with him.

They are in need of Dr. Paul much more than the stormfront crowd.

Why would it take bravery? That's a bit offensive as if dealing with black men is somehow fraught with danger. Most of my neighbors are single black men. White men in this neighborhood can't hold a candle to them when it comes to being polite and respectful.

I live in the "inner city" and I think it would be a bit hopeless here. How do you tell people that someone other than their neighborhood homeboy Obama in a city known for its nepotism that anyone else would be better? He's one of them, and not just from the perspective of race. I'm not sure all of them are convinced he can be elected though. I overheard someone the other day saying they thought Obama was looking to be appointed Secretary of State.

[Hook]

Why would it take bravery? That's a bit offensive as if dealing with black men is somehow fraught with danger.

I live in the "inner city" and I think it would be a bit hopeless here. How do you tell people that someone other than their neighborhood homeboy Obama in a city known for its nepotism that anyone else would be better? He's one of them, and not just from the perspective of race. I'm not sure all of them are convinced he can be elected though. I overheard someone the other day saying they thought Obama was looking to be appointed Secretary of State.

I think Obama would make a great Sec. of State. He is very personable and would make a great diplomat.

[Corydoras]

I live in the "inner city" and I think it would be a bit hopeless here. How do you tell people that someone other than their neighborhood homeboy Obama in a city known for its nepotism that anyone else would be better? He's one of them, and not just from the perspective of race.

Here's the prep school Obama went to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punahou

[synthetic]

I see an obscure writer who came up with two obscure websites to smear Paul by association. Its really sad how people act and react around here. There are people out there and on this board who whip up a frenzy until something minor becomes a "big deal". Its all I'm starting to see on a daily basis on these forums. What a waste of time and energy. The author thanks you all for the page views and mass hysteria that's generating a buzz for his second rate article.

[Tidewise]

I see an obscure writer who came up with two obscure websites to smear Paul by association. Its really sad how people act and react around here. There are people out there and on this board who whip up a frenzy until something minor becomes a "big deal". Its all I'm starting to see on a daily basis on these forums. What a waste of time and energy. The author thanks you all for the page views and mass hysteria that's generating a buzz for his second rate article.

Perfectly said. There are going to be a lot more articles about Ron Paul in the coming months. We need to stay focused on reaching out to those who haven't heard of him and convert them to voters in the Republican primary.

[Ron Paul Fan]

I see an obscure writer who came up with two obscure websites to smear Paul by association. Its really sad how people act and react around here. There are people out there and on this board who whip up a frenzy until something minor becomes a "big deal". Its all I'm starting to see on a daily basis on these forums. What a waste of time and energy. The author thanks you all for the page views and mass hysteria that's generating a buzz for his second rate article.

I second the perfectly said. It's the same thing that happened with the Tucker incident. People overreacted like they always do and was fundraising up today? Yes! Tucker is probably even more well known than this writer. I say that we all calm down and keep spreading the message. If Congressman Paul thinks it's a good idea to denounce the white supremacists, then let's support his decision. If not, then let's stick to what we can do and that's donate and spread the message!

[hard@work]

Why would it take bravery? That's a bit offensive as if dealing with black men is somehow fraught with danger.

I was challenging people, not making an insinuation that black men are evil criminals waiting to kill you. I apologize as I can see how it may have appeared that way. My point is more along the lines of people being afraid to go and talk to people from another demographic though.


Most of my neighbors are single black men. White men in this neighborhood can't hold a candle to them when it comes to being polite and respectful..

Not news to me.


I live in the "inner city" and I think it would be a bit hopeless here. How do you tell people that someone other than their neighborhood homeboy Obama in a city known for its nepotism that anyone else would be better? He's one of them, and not just from the perspective of race. I'm not sure all of them are convinced he can be elected though. I overheard someone the other day saying they thought Obama was looking to be appointed Secretary of State.

Obama is not "one of them". There is no "them". There is nothing hopeless about reaching out to the communities we damn well need to be reaching out to. The flame of Liberty applies to all, and it will take an effort to extend that out to the entire nation. That is the point I am trying to make. We can either wallow in the muck of the subject of this thread, or we can take it to the next level and handle the situation.

If we truly believe in Liberty and all the responsibility that it requires shouldn't we carry this message right into the heart of the very communities we seek to change? It has nothing to do with skin color. It has to do with crossing cultural barriers placed in front of you. And as I said, are people brave enough to do this? Or in some cases, are they willing to put down their prejudice to stand up for what's right for all of us?

That's what I am wondering... a lot. It would be the nail in the coffin for the Democrats. It would give us this entire race, even as an Independent party.

[libertythor]

One thing that can be done by ronpaulforums.com is ban those who overtly express hatred towards a group of people or country. The WNs have their own site....if they want to participate here, they should leave the racism on Stormfront.

[Korey Kaczynski]

I think Obama would make a great Sec. of State. He is very personable and would make a great diplomat.

So was Ted Bundy :/

[Corydoras]

One thing that can be done by ronpaulforums.com is ban those who overtly express hatred towards a group of people or country.

NO, I disagree. That's way too blunt an instrument. Thought-crimes and all that. I haven't seen anyone express overt hatred toward a country or group. It's always indirect, if nasty and obvious all the same.



The WNs have their own site....if they want to participate here, they should leave the racism on Stormfront.

YES! If they want him to get elected, they should stop using the campaign to publicize their issue. They need to understand that their obsession is a turnoff to a much larger constituency than they are, and if they want Ron elected, they'd better pipe down.

[johngr]

Assuming that some of these "endorsements" are not by front organizations meaning to "poison the well", why do the "white supremacists" like Ron Paul so much and not Tom Tancredo? It's suspicious that these so-called white supremacists don't want to "kick towelhead ass" and don't back a candidate who would throw illegal immigrants out of the country. Why not?

[Sergeant Brother]

Assuming that some of these "endorsements" are not by front organizations meaning to "poison the well", why do the "white supremacists" like Ron Paul so much and not Tom Tancredo? It's suspicious that these so-called white supremacists don't want to "kick towelhead ass" and don't back a candidate who would throw illegal immigrants out of the country. Why not?

Basically, virtually all White Nationalists are non-interventionists in much the same way as Ron Paul is. They also strongly believe in national sovereignty as well as oppose the Federal Reserve. Of course, they often link these issues with Zionism, but to a large degree they agree with Ron Paul on such issues.

Basically, they agree with Ron Paul on issues that aren't directly linked with race. And Ron Paul's message of freedom appeals to them because they have a very unpopular philosophy and want the freedom to believe in and practice it.

[LBT]

It's funny how communists, whose policies have led to the deaths of over 100 million in the past century are considered less of a threat than some loose and small collection of politically incorrect insecure punks.

We're not likely to hear a big stink when communist / socialist groups endorse Hilary.

[libertarian4321]

They're not Ron Paul shills...they're reporting on the election. This is happening, so they're reporting it. I don't think any of us can deny that white supremacists are most likely to support Ron over any other candidate...that's not Ron's fault, but it is a concern.

Okay, I'll bite.

Why would white supremacist morons support Ron Paul over, say, Tancredo?

[johngr]

Okay, I'll bite.

Why would white supremacist morons support Ron Paul over, say, Tancredo?

They wouldn't. People who set up false flag organizations and ape such "morons", (whose real agenda, ironically enough is to continue and expand a war against politically incorrect brown people who occupy land with oil under it), might "support" Ron Paul in order to poison the well.

[johngr]

Basically, virtually all White Nationalists are non-interventionists in much the same way as Ron Paul is.

I don't get it. Why wouldn't white "supremacists" want to conquer brown people and be supreme over them?

[kylejack]

Okay, I'll bite.

Why would white supremacist morons support Ron Paul over, say, Tancredo?

Viability, non-interventionism, racist newsletters (unfair, I know...but they're still out there), writings in the "survivalist" movement, more prone to ending entitlement programs.

[Sergeant Brother]

I don't get it. Why wouldn't white "supremacists" want to conquer brown people and be supreme over them?

Well, basically because you don't understand anything about White Nationalism. Its basically a kind of isolationist separatist kind of philosophy. Its not "supremacy" per se, in a sense of ruling over, more like being separate from. Don't take my word for it, if you're genuinely curious go to stormfront.org and see what they say for themselves.

[FrankRep]

Once the United States is more Libertarian, the racists can all just move into their own state far away from everyone and then we all can be happy.

[kylejack]

Once the United States is more Libertarian, the racists can all just move into their own state far away from everyone and then we all can be happy.

That's one issue that concerns me about Paul wanting to return things to the states...

[FrankRep]

That's one issue that concerns me about Paul wanting to return things to the states...

You mean like a destructive force hijacking a state?

[Vaughn]

I would rather have 100 9/11 "truthers" then one white supremacist. They are only in it for their own ideological cause- and it is not a libertarian cause. Ron Paul stand for all people as individuals, and not a group that is why he needs to address this issue.

[angelatc]

It would be somewhat hypocritical of Ron if he were to denounce them, seeing as how he constantly puts emphasis on individuals, and not groups.


That's the answer, isn't it?

[speciallyblend]

It's a crap article.

[Santana28]

We all bleed red blood, and we're all Americans, warts and all. Each of us wanting our freedom back and government off our backs and to reign in this unauthorized empire we've become is our common ground. And the fact that we're coming together from opposite extremes peacefully to achieve it is something to be proud of and shouted from the rooftops. How many neo-nazis or race-baiters are in your meetup group? Do you have any idea? Probably not, because that's not important. You all want what everybody else in this revolution wants. And your fear of this being a gross negative for Paul will very quickly be neutralized when everybody recognizes the diversity of his supporters.

i couldn't possibly agree with this anymore. Seriously - who cares? This is a segment of the voting bloc that normally votes for some fringe candidate that has absolutely NO chance in hell of getting the nomination (i'm guessing) - why would we turn away their support? They are well organized and despite their racial ideaologies... a great many are nationalist patriots. Hatred towards others should never be advocated, but their beliefs are their beliefs and so long as they don't infringe on the rights of others then i have absolutely no problem at all with them. We're all Americans and we all have a say in the direction of this country.

[johngr]

Viability, non-interventionism, racist newsletters (unfair, I know...but they're still out there), writings in the "survivalist" movement, more prone to ending entitlement programs.

Another word for white supremacists is neo-nazi. The acronym Nazi means national socialist and to say that they would be anti-entitlement is a non seqitur. That aside, what does ending entitlement programs have to do with white supremacy?

[libertythor]

Once the United States is more Libertarian, the racists can all just move into their own state far away from everyone and then we all can be happy.

I think that is what they are hoping for. We would all be better off if they were able to buy some land out somewhere and live amongst themselves. That way you don't have these powderkegs running around with a persecution complex.

But they should keep their racial stuff off of the Ron Paul Forums. Please people.....you know who you are....most of us recognize your screenames...keep the race baiting and Israel bashing in Stormfront. You in no way represent Ron Paul by spouting those views. RP has nothing against Israelis....he just doesn't want to play favorites in the middle east.

[johngr]

Well, basically because you don't understand anything about White Nationalism. Its basically a kind of isolationist separatist kind of philosophy. Its not "supremacy" per se, in a sense of ruling over, more like being separate from. Don't take my word for it, if you're genuinely curious go to stormfront.org and see what they say for themselves.

You'd think that moronic, illogical haters would hate brown people in Iraq enough to want to blow them up.

[jmdrake]

We can handle this by bringing in the minority vote.

Bingo! There is a lot of Ron Paul's message that can and does appeal to blacks. Everything from his expressed sensitivity to the unfair treatment of blacks by the "war on drugs" to his concern over the death penalty and desire to abolish it at the federal level to his concern over the federal giving itself broad espionage powers. Most African Americans are well aware of the FBI's "COINTELPRO" program where it spied on peaceful protesters and the current "Patriot Act" regime has raised similar concerns. Also the article in question raised early support from "9/11 truthers" as if questioning the government about 9/11 is somehow "racist". The first public figure to ask the question "What did the president know and when did he know it?" was African American congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. I know Dr. Paul hasn't embraced the 9/11 truth movement. My point is that it's beyond ridiculous to claim the movement is "racist" when so many minorities have the same view.

Regards,

John M. Drake

[Santana28]

Bingo! There is a lot of Ron Paul's message that can and does appeal to blacks. Everything from his expressed sensitivity to the unfair treatment of blacks by the "war on drugs" to his concern over the death penalty and desire to abolish it at the federal level to his concern over the federal giving itself broad espionage powers. Most African Americans are well aware of the FBI's "COINTELPRO" program where it spied on peaceful protesters and the current "Patriot Act" regime has raised similar concerns. Also the article in question raised early support from "9/11 truthers" as if questioning the government about 9/11 is somehow "racist". The first public figure to ask the question "What did the president know and when did he know it?" was African American congresswoman Cynthia McKinney. I know Dr. Paul hasn't embraced the 9/11 truth movement. My point is that it's beyond ridiculous to claim the movement is "racist" when so many minorities have the same view.

Regards,

John M. Drake

My only problem with the "truth" movement is that more often than not people let their passion for that supercede and sometimes eclipse their support for Dr. Paul. We need to keep everything in perspective - if we lose our personal liberties and don't change the direction this country is heading - then we won't be able to question whether 9/11 was an inside job or not, and will have learned nothing from the events of that day (whatever you think they were). It will all have been in vain. If the white supremists are more concerned with voting for a candidate who is also a white supremist, they're going to lose the opportunity to vote for the one person who wants to ensure that we ALL have the freedom of expression and self-determination that they desire. The point is we need to work together for the common good and not let our personal issues interfere or dissuade our support.

[micahnelson]

As Ron has said before, supporting liberty means you will tolerate many ideas with which you disagree.

I believe under a Paul presidency the power of such extremist groups will be diminished. If the government deals with individuals, instead of groups of races, genders, and ages, the venom of reactionary racism will be removed. The only thing left will be hate- and only the haters will stay.

Silencing any group you disagree with is never the right course of action. Allow them to speak so the world can know why you disagree with them.

[Pharoah]

An Israeli neo-con warned me they're planning to make a big deal in the MSM of Ron Paul not denouncing neo-Nazi contributions. We need to have a strategy in place to counter this mud-slinging.

[literatim]

Ron Paul is for freedom and free speech which includes those views they disagree with.

[TooConservative]

It was a good article.

It should have mentioned that Bush received the strong support of all these groups in 2000.

Even Nazis have to vote for someone. No one, including Ron Paul, is out there campaigning and trying to get their votes and support.

[Bradley in DC]

It is one of the fairer ways of treating the issue and hits an audience prone to want to tar Dr. Paul.