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DisillusionedPatriot
07-29-2010, 06:28 PM
Introduction and Summary: When leaders of a nation decide to go to war, they have at their disposal three means by which to raise an army: they may appeal to patriotism or moral fortitude and ask for volunteers, offer incentives or bribes to join up, or they may turn to coercion. Conscription, known informally in America as “the draft,” is an instance of the last. Though conscription can be critiqued on a number of levels, this paper will focus on its degenerate ethical basis. In it, I address the primary moral failings of conscription: it necessitates the removal of rights worth dying for, it devalues human life, and it directly increases the potential for harm.

From its inception, the United States has led the world in advancing the ideals of human freedom and dignity. The Declaration of Independence assigns to all men certain intrinsic rights, including those of “Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”. Put simply, conscription is unjust because it violates each of these most treasured rights. Drafted men are forced to put their lives in great risk, through measures ranging from fines or imprisonment in the more lenient of cases, to threat of death, torture, or retaliation on family in the worst. It is unjust that a man be forced to choose between such poor options, given that he has not by his own doing or through misfortune of fate encountered the decision in the course of his life. It is thrust upon him by a state enforcing its own goals. In Just and Unjust Wars, Michael Walzer recognizes the individual’s inherent right not to be attacked, but focuses largely on the right as applied to noncombatants, of whom he says, “no one can be forced to fight or to risk his life, no one can be threatened with war or warred against, unless through some act of his own he has surrendered or lost his rights” (1).

Walzer argues that all soldiers have lost these rights because they are in fact, soldiers. They are the combatants in the war being fought – willingly or not, it is their official position to be of mortal danger to the enemy. This makes them liable to attack. He gives only a brief nod to the injustice of conscription itself and mostly sidesteps the issue. Walzer should apply his own standard more universally. If non-combatants cannot be warred against because they have done nothing to lose their immunity, then the same edict decrees that no one can be forced to fight unless “through some act of his own he has … lost his rights” (2). When a drafted man who fought only in personal self-defense dies, his death is as unjust as any civilian casualty.

There is rough moral equivalency between a state that uses its own civilians as hostages to deter against attacks and one that conscripts unwilling citizens into the front lines. In both instances, the state commandeers the lives of the individuals in question and sacrifices their rights and safety to achieve some military objective. That soldiers are given a means of self-protection and the imperative to kill, while the hostages are utterly helpless, does not change the fundamental situation of either. Conscription thus threatens the fundamental right to life. To force men to fight in war is, in a certain percentage of cases, to force a man to die. When it does not entirely remove, it always endangers and cheapens his right to continue living. The effects of conscription on man’s right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness are equally devastating.

A man’s liberty is infringed when he is compelled to do that which he does not want to do. While serving in a war, men suffer loss of liberty at all levels of their lives. As Thomas Jefferson wrote, "The breaking men to military discipline is breaking their spirits to principles of passive obedience" (3). Neither large nor small-scale decisions are the soldier’s prerogative. He is not able to prioritize his goals and activities or act according to his own preferences. Armies run on discipline, obedience and regulation, all of which run counter to individual liberty. Nor are men allowed to pursue their own happiness in war. There are of course those few who relish war, but still they could not be called free. Their optimal happiness merely happens to coincide with what they are already being commanded to do. For the vast majority of men, the pursuit of happiness would take them far, far from the battlefield, and quickly. Aside from these three supreme rights enumerated by America’s Founders, many others are also abridged, including the rights to property, privacy, association, and freedom of speech. That men be forcibly deprived of these rights, deemed so valuable that others have died for them, merely to serve as pawns in a game between states, is nothing short of grave and cruel injustice.

This is a second great moral failure of conscription: aside from violating cherished rights and unjustly causing men to die, it also promotes a general devaluation of human life. To force a man to fight and risk his life in war is to treat that man solely as the means to an end. It is in direct violation of what Immanuel Kant proposed as the practical version of his moral imperative: “So act as to treat humanity, whether in thine own person or in that of any other, in every case as an end withal, never as means only” (4). To treat a person as a means only is to deny them the same level of dignity and worth that one assigns oneself.

One might argue that all soldiers in battle are of course instruments working towards a goal they do not set. However, it is much harder to use professional soldiers as a mere means to an end. They have chosen, and are compensated for, their work. Like any other service, both parties are free and both benefit from the exchange. It is the removal of man’s free will that allows him to be treated as merely a means. When states make conscription official policy they create two very distinct classes of persons: those who decide the policy matters, and those whose lives may be sacrificed as a means to pursue them. Public endorsement and acceptance of those classes means that the overall values of life and liberty are debased.

This devaluation of life makes conscription particularly threatening because of its propensity to increase the magnitude of potential destruction. Most obviously, conscription can increase the degree of violence and total number of deaths. The higher the number of men fighting, the longer, costlier, and bloodier wars can be. Since each side in the conflict now has vastly more men to kill in order to produce an effect on his opponent, this corresponds to a ratcheting up in terms of acceptable weaponry and tactics. With more men to kill, it is simply more efficient to kill many men at once. Conscription also opens the door for further moral decay since, as more men die, it is becomes easier to accept the loss of an individual.

Conscription’s primary moral failings then, are three: it necessitates the removal of rights worth dying for, it devalues human life, and it directly increases the potential for harm. It is a form of indentured servitude at the worst, and in those cases where men die, it is murder. Aside from committing an injustice to the men themselves, conscription cheapens the nature of cherished rights that must not be forsaken lightly.

Because it violates these basic moral principles, the ban against conscription is almost completely universal. A state could never be justified in drafting men for an aggressive war. Nor should the mere fact that a war is just be deemed sufficient cause for conscription. A man must never be asked to die in defending or advancing another man’s cause. No appeal can be made to the worth of the cause itself because a worthy end cannot excuse unjust means. Innocent men cannot be used as collateral damage for any cause, no matter how just. Liberties must not be severely infringed in the name of advancing liberty.

There is only one possible exception to the otherwise absolute ban against conscription – a man may be compelled to defend his nation against an invasion. Nations should avoid unjust wars, and just ones if necessary may be fought among professional soldiers and volunteers. Sometimes, however, a nation has no choice but to fight for its very survival. In this instance, the country should utilize all available resources in attempting to repel the attacks. If they cannot, and the country remains in danger, conscription may be used as a final resort. This is not due to a breakdown of Just War Theory. Rather, justice itself permits leaders to require that a state’s citizens come to its defense in a time when its very survival is at stake.

As stated above, a man cannot be justly made to fight or die for a cause. He may however, in this instance, be ordered to fight for his country. The difference is that he is not being forced to defend an ideal or a cause that he may not share; rather he is being called upon in a time of desperate need to help preserve the very society that sustains him. An implicit understanding exists between a state and its citizens – that men have both rights and obligations as regards their country. In On Liberty, John Stuart Mill aptly paraphrases this relationship: "Everyone who receives the protection of society owes a return for the benefit" (5). In return for the security and benefits received from the state (as a bare minimum, all countries aim to protect their citizens from outside threats), citizens bind themselves to abide by its laws and fulfill other requirements of their citizenship or pay the consequences.

If a man refuses, out of cowardice or selfishness, to come to the final aid of the country that has provided every liberty and security he has enjoyed thus far, he fails in his moral obligations to society. He is asking to stand back while other men die to protect the common security. He is merely a parasite, willing to accept whatever benefits he can reap from society and his government without contributing in return. It would certainly be wrong to kill such a man, but a state would be entirely justified in imprisoning him. If he refuses out of unequivocal moral aversion to killing, as in the case of conscientious objectors, it is just to force the man to serve in a support position. If a man refuses to serve because of an ethical objection not to war in general, but to his state itself, he may have the moral high ground. He has still failed in his obligations to that state, however, so consequently they may fairly imprison him. A man may still be just in his refusal to fight, but in times of ultimate duress, it is not unjust that states make the demand.

Conscription is at its heart an ethical issue. Proponents of the draft try to link it to positive virtues such as patriotism, but words cannot conceal the moral bankruptcy of the practice. Conscription deprives individual men of their most cherished rights and sometimes their lives. In doing so, and by using men as means rather than an end in themselves, it strongly undercuts the sanctity and power of these rights. Because of its dangerous effects on both men and valued principles, conscription must fall into the category of morally inexcusable activities.

Anti Federalist
07-29-2010, 06:53 PM
Amendment 13

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

Of course, that doesn't apply if you are the government.

They can enslave you.

Interesting to note, this is not a draft case, but one vs. the State of Florida for compulsory citizen labor for road work.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=240&invol=328

It introduced no novel doctrine with respect of services always treated as exceptional, and certainly was not intended to interdict enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc.

There is no merit in the claim that a man's labor is property, the taking of which without compensation by the state for building and maintenance of public roads violates the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. That Amendment was intended to preserve and protect fundamental rights long recognized under the commonlaw law system

Conceding for some purposes labor must be considered as property, it is evident from what already has been said that to require work on the public roads has never been regarded as a deprivation of either liberty or property.

So saith the SCROTUS 21 February, 1916

heavenlyboy34
07-29-2010, 06:55 PM
Don't forget, the most upstanding and enlightened of the founders opposed standing armies in favor of voluntary State militias.

P.S., unrelated rant-It always surprises me when so-called "Christians" support the draft. It was always a tool of tyrants in the bible.

low preference guy
07-29-2010, 06:58 PM
it's pretty non-controversial here that conscription is slavery, right?

heavenlyboy34
07-29-2010, 06:59 PM
it's pretty non-controversial here that conscription is slavery, right?

Right, as far as I know. :o

Anti Federalist
07-29-2010, 07:00 PM
it's pretty non-controversial here that conscription is slavery, right?

Not according to the feds.

See above.

low preference guy
07-29-2010, 07:01 PM
Not according to the feds.

See above.

by "here" I mean "RonPaulForums".

Anti Federalist
07-29-2010, 07:03 PM
by "here" I mean "RonPaulForums".

Oh, right.

I think you'd have to search pretty hard to find a RPF person that did not think conscription was slavery.

low preference guy
07-29-2010, 07:06 PM
Oh, right.

I think you'd have to search pretty hard to find a RPF person that did not think conscription was slavery.

i hope so. i'll be pretty disappointed otherwise.

Anti Federalist
07-29-2010, 07:10 PM
i hope so. i'll be pretty disappointed otherwise.

<<<Cracks knuckles...

Well, let's find out.

DisillusionedPatriot
07-29-2010, 10:35 PM
it's pretty non-controversial here that conscription is slavery, right?

“Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war in which the folly and wickedness of the government may engage itself? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest right of personal liberty? Who will show me any Constitutional injunction which makes it the duty of the American people to surrender everything valuable in life, and even life, itself, whenever the purposes of an ambitious and mischievous government may require it? ... A free government with an uncontrolled power of military conscription is the most ridiculous and abominable contradiction and nonsense that ever entered into the heads of men.” – Daniel Webster

"For he that is obliged to act or not act according to the arbitrary will and pleasure of a governor, or his director, is as much a slave as he who is obliged to act or not act according to the arbitrary rule and pleasure of a master of his overseer." - New York Evening Post, November 16, 1747

libertybrewcity
07-29-2010, 11:55 PM
There is no threat of a draft in the United States. It is political suicide and the army has enough troops, they might just have to sacrifice a few bases in Fiji or god knows where to send them to Iraq.

libertybrewcity
07-29-2010, 11:57 PM
“Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war in which the folly and wickedness of the government may engage itself? Under what concealment has this power lain hidden, which now for the first time comes forth, with a tremendous and baleful aspect, to trample down and destroy the dearest right of personal liberty? Who will show me any Constitutional injunction which makes it the duty of the American people to surrender everything valuable in life, and even life, itself, whenever the purposes of an ambitious and mischievous government may require it? ... A free government with an uncontrolled power of military conscription is the most ridiculous and abominable contradiction and nonsense that ever entered into the heads of men.” – Daniel Webster

"For he that is obliged to act or not act according to the arbitrary will and pleasure of a governor, or his director, is as much a slave as he who is obliged to act or not act according to the arbitrary rule and pleasure of a master of his overseer." - New York Evening Post, November 16, 1747

Are you supporting the draft? I think everyone on this site is pretty much in agreement that the draft is bs and slavery.

James Madison
07-30-2010, 12:11 AM
Amendment 13

Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation

Of course, that doesn't apply if you are the government.

They can enslave you.

Interesting to note, this is not a draft case, but one vs. the State of Florida for compulsory citizen labor for road work.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?navby=case&court=us&vol=240&invol=328

It introduced no novel doctrine with respect of services always treated as exceptional, and certainly was not intended to interdict enforcement of those duties which individuals owe to the state, such as services in the army, militia, on the jury, etc.

There is no merit in the claim that a man's labor is property, the taking of which without compensation by the state for building and maintenance of public roads violates the due process clause of the 14th Amendment. That Amendment was intended to preserve and protect fundamental rights long recognized under the commonlaw law system

Conceding for some purposes labor must be considered as property, it is evident from what already has been said that to require work on the public roads has never been regarded as a deprivation of either liberty or property.

So saith the SCROTUS 21 February, 1916

If memory serves, the same court ruled that compulsory sterilization of the "feeble minded"was perfectly legal during the 20s. :eek:

DisillusionedPatriot
07-30-2010, 12:12 AM
Are you supporting the draft? I think everyone on this site is pretty much in agreement that the draft is bs and slavery.

Are you serious? I don't see how anything I've said, including the two quotations which you just cited, could even possibly be construed to mean that I support the draft. I am in entire agreement with the Webster quote: "A free government with an uncontrolled power of military conscription is the most ridiculous and abominable contradiction and nonsense that ever entered into the heads of men.”

Fredom101
07-30-2010, 12:17 AM
Taxes are also incompatible with a free nation.

low preference guy
07-30-2010, 12:22 AM
Taxes are also incompatible with a free nation.

Yep, but there are also degrees of evil. Killing is not the same as stealing and stealing all your wealth is not the same as stealing part of your wealth, even though they're all wrong.

DisillusionedPatriot
07-30-2010, 12:25 AM
Taxes are also incompatible with a free nation.

To the extent we see them today, definitely. The Constitution doesn't prohibit all taxes:

Article 1, Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Article I, Section. 9.
Clause 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

libertybrewcity
07-30-2010, 12:29 AM
Are you serious? I don't see how anything I've said, including the two quotations which you just cited, could even possibly be construed to mean that I support the draft. I am in entire agreement with the Webster quote: "A free government with an uncontrolled power of military conscription is the most ridiculous and abominable contradiction and nonsense that ever entered into the heads of men.”

yea, i read it. it just seemed like you were arguing with disapprovers of the draft...i guess you were just adding to the dialogue. muh bad

DisillusionedPatriot
07-30-2010, 12:31 AM
yea, i read it. it just seemed like you were arguing with disapprovers of the draft...i guess you were just adding to the dialogue. muh bad

Nah, I started the thread. I hate the draft.

RileyE104
07-30-2010, 12:32 AM
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cindy25
07-30-2010, 12:43 AM
the draft/national servitude may be unpopular here, but it is not as unpopular as it should be among the sheeple. they generally oppose a military draft, but make it civilian and a condition for college or student loans (now a government monopoly) and opposition is not that great.

and in a lame duck session Obama might do anything.

had he wanted it in 2001 Bush could have pushed a draft thru.

Fredom101
07-30-2010, 09:28 AM
To the extent we see them today, definitely. The Constitution doesn't prohibit all taxes:

Article 1, Section. 8.
Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Article I, Section. 9.
Clause 4: No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in Proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken.

Exactly why that document is completely flawed, and why I'm not a constitutionalist.

Giving some people the ability to legally steal money from others at gunpoint is wrong no matter how many pieces of paper are signed, and no matter who is wearing a badge.

specsaregood
07-30-2010, 09:36 AM
“Where is it written in the Constitution, in what article or section is it contained, that you may take children from their parents and parents from their children, and compel them to fight the battles of any war in which the folly and wickedness of the government may engage itself?


Lucky for all of us, the supreme court didn't need the constitution to have it written to rule that it was constitutional. :(

"The Supreme Court's 1918 decision that federal conscription is constitutional was explicitly based on the contemporary practice in the German Empire, Austrian Empire, Russian Empire, Turkish Empire, British Empire, Japanese Empire...."Do you see a theme?
From The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution (pg. 156)

DisillusionedPatriot
07-30-2010, 04:41 PM
Lucky for all of us, the supreme court didn't need the constitution to have it written to rule that it was constitutional. :(

"The Supreme Court's 1918 decision that federal conscription is constitutional was explicitly based on the contemporary practice in the German Empire, Austrian Empire, Russian Empire, Turkish Empire, British Empire, Japanese Empire...."Do you see a theme?
From The Politically Incorrect Guide to the Constitution (pg. 156)


“No obedience is due to arbitrary, unconstitutional edicts calculated to enslave a free people.” When government exceeds, “the bounds of the law of God and the free constitution…their acts are, ipso facto, void, and cannot oblige any to obedience.” – Stephen Johnson, "Some Important Observations", p. 21 - 23.

There is precedent for disobedience: it's how our nation began. "Not to discontinue our allegiance, in this case, would be to join with the sovereign in promoting the slavery and misery of that society, the welfare of which, we ourselves, as well as our sovereign, are indispensably obliged to secure and promote, as far as in us lies." - Jonathan Mayhew, "A Discourse Concerning Unlimited Submission and Non-Resistance to the Higher Powers"