Michael Moore just on Larry King

[YumYum]

He made some interesting observations. Anybody here agree with some of his viewpoints? Does anybody here like him?

http://larrykinglive.blogs.cnn.com/

[freshjiva]

Love Mr. Moore on foreign policy, although he's really toned down his anti-war activism since the Messiah took over the White House. Amazing how all the liberals who used to be fierce defenders of liberty (i.e. Keith Olbermann) have all been silenced with Obama at the throne.

Moore, however, is a big government, tax-the-rich, punish-the-corporations, regulate-the-economy rhetorician.

[Old Ducker]

Love Mr. Moore on foreign policy, although he's really toned down his anti-war activism since the Messiah took over the White House. Amazing how all the liberals who used to be fierce defenders of liberty (i.e. Keith Olbermann) have all been silenced with Obama at the throne.

Moore, however, is a big government, tax-the-rich, punish-the-corporations, regulate-the-economy rhetorician.

I think Moore is generally right about the disease, just wrong on the cure.

[dannno]

I think Moore is generally right about the disease, just wrong on the cure.

I agree to an extent.. I really liked his films "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11"

Bowling for Columbine had some excellent sections on how horrible the mainstream media and the police state are.. He doesn't seem to think that gun control is an solution for gun deaths in the film, though I've seen him make statements that seem to counter this, but it's not something that he really pushes. He really blamed our foreign policy and the media in the film for a lot of the violence in our society.

I so far have refused to watch Sicko or Capitalism: A Love Story

[Humanae Libertas]

Amazing how all the liberals who used to be fierce defenders of liberty (i.e. Keith Olbermann) have all been silenced with Obama at the throne.

Moore does it all the time. Notice how he doesn't talk about Health Care anymore or even before Obama Deathcare passed.

[Sentient Void]

I so far have refused to watch Sicko or Capitalism: A Love Story

These two movies are filled with so many fallacies it's ridiculous. Particularly constant strawmen in 'Capitalism'... mostly because it should be called 'Corporatism: A Love Story'.

He's a hypocritical statist douche.

[YumYum]

These two movies are filled with so many fallacies it's ridiculous. Particularly constant strawmen in 'Capitalism'... mostly because it should be called 'Corporatism: A Love Story'.

He's a hypocritical statist douche.

No, I feel he is reacting to serious issues in our country by demanding that our government fix the problems. The government should look out for the general welfare of the people, and protecting the citizens from greedy corporations is within the spectrum of its obligations to the public. We don't practice true capitalism in this country; that is why "corporatism" is called "capitalism".

A leftest can be for smaller government that is effective and efficient.

[RonPaulGetsIt]

YouTube - Obama's PROMISE To End The Iraq War - Oct. 27, 2007 - "You Can Take That To The Bank" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZvWilRn0L8&feature=player_embedded)

I don't suppose Moore talked about this.

[nobody's_hero]

I most-liked (but wouldn't say "loved") his first movie (I think it was his first one, or at least his first big one). "Roger and Me" 1989. It was mostly a not-so-lovely tour of the run down city of Flint, Michigan.

I just got a kick out of him writing $0.50 checks and offering to pay the first full paycheck of all the new workers that factories were hiring when they relocated overseas.

Of course, we also know just how high the UAW were getting paid with this most recent Gen. Motors debacle.

His more recent movies are just partisan hackery, and he's become blinded by playing favorites on the false political spectrum.

I always wondered why Kmart stopped selling guns and ammo, and Bowling for Columbine probably had something to do with that, when Moore took a handicapped kid and intimidated Kmart into getting out of the handgun ammo market. I haven't watched any of his movies since.

[KurtBoyer25L]

Moore's collectivism is rooted in the use of force. I agree that not all of his complaints are illegitimate, but his solutions are fascist. Though, I'm not sure I've ever heard him elucidate new or unique solutions for anything; just more government and fascist liberalism.

His movies are propaganda. He "cheats" to win the argument. That weakens the argument. Nobody has to creatively manipulate footage & argue with Alzheimer's patients to look correct if they have a solid foundation.

[BuddyRey]

I loved Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, but all of the films he's made since have been nothing but thinly-veiled apologia for top-down Central Planners. I'm not sure if he knows it or not, but the solutions he proposes to the problem of wealth concentration and corporatism would simply lead to more of the same.

[ClayTrainor]

I loved Bowling for Columbine and Fahrenheit 9/11, but all of the films he's made since have been nothing but thinly-veiled apologia for top-down Central Planners. I'm not sure if he knows it or not, but the solutions he proposes to the problem of wealth concentration and corporatism would simply lead to more of the same.

My thoughts exactly. :)

[QueenB4Liberty]

Moore's collectivism is rooted in the use of force. I agree that not all of his complaints are illegitimate, but his solutions are fascist. Though, I'm not sure I've ever heard him elucidate new or unique solutions for anything; just more government and fascist liberalism.

His movies are propaganda. He "cheats" to win the argument. That weakens the argument. Nobody has to creatively manipulate footage & argue with Alzheimer's patients to look correct if they have a solid foundation.

This.


And looking at him makes me throw up in my mouth a little. lol

[Sentient Void]

No, I feel he is reacting to serious issues in our country by demanding that our government fix the problems. The government should look out for the general welfare of the people, and protecting the citizens from greedy corporations is within the spectrum of its obligations to the public. We don't practice true capitalism in this country; that is why "corporatism" is called "capitalism".

A leftest can be for smaller government that is effective and efficient.

I don't deny he's reacting to serious issues. Except, government doesn't fix problems - the vast majority of the time, it is the root cause of most of them. We have nothing close to real capitalism. Limitied Liability personal protections for corporations and their agents is a government protection. Net expansions of regulations every year, since the Code of Federal Regulations started in 1938 (except for 1985 and some time in the mid 90s), and shuffling other regulations around according to special interests - is exactly what brought us to our corporatist system. If there is national government at all, it should be limited to protecting life, liberty and property, like the founders intended. Let everything else be taken care of at the most local level possible, such as the states - or most preferably, the individual.

Can't say I've ever met a modern 'leftist' who's been for smaller government. And government is rarely if ever effective (admittedly, it is effective at fucking shit up), and it most certainly isn't ever efficient.

[Old Ducker]

I agree to an extent.. I really liked his films "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11"

Bowling for Columbine had some excellent sections on how horrible the mainstream media and the police state are.. He doesn't seem to think that gun control is an solution for gun deaths in the film, though I've seen him make statements that seem to counter this, but it's not something that he really pushes. He really blamed our foreign policy and the media in the film for a lot of the violence in our society.

I so far have refused to watch Sicko or Capitalism: A Love Story

I haven't seen either myself but I have seen Moore interviewed about the latter and he was mainly discussing Corporatism.

[specsaregood]

pfft all of you talking about his documentaries. His real talent lies in the fictional comedy genre like: canadian bacon. He should totally give up on the propaganda movies and go back to the comedies.

[Distinguished Gentleman]

I studied Moore's films in an "ethics in documentary" class. Even my professor, who I suspect is a democrat, had real reservations about some of the tactics he used, just in Bowling for Columbine. All of that stuff of is easily googled.

The way he treated Heston on the way to the "people with guns are racist, lol" thesis was enough to make me sick. Like taking the comment " they'll pry this from my cold, dead, hands," pulling it from the context of receiving a musket at his birthday months earlier, and then making it seem like he said it at an event in Colorado immediately after Columbine. Moore doesn't give a shit about the truth.

I would caution about documentaries in general, even ones we agree with. They play mental tricks on you, where you associate actual footage with truth, but footage isn't a context, and they tend to gloss over major facts, usually with an appeal to emotionalism.

[silus]

Moore does it all the time. Notice how he doesn't talk about Health Care anymore or even before Obama Deathcare passed.
What??

[fletcher]

Moore is a socialist that makes socialist propaganda. Why would anyone here like him?

[Old Ducker]

Moore is a socialist that makes socialist propaganda. Why would anyone here like him?

Because I'm not an ideologue and will accept the truth, when it is truth, from whatever source.