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FrankRep
07-27-2010, 06:30 PM
Alex Jones: Corporate Media Puts Spin on WikiLeaks (http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-corporate-media-puts-spin-on-wikileaks/)


Russia Today / Infowars.com
July 27, 2010


What result, if any, will the WikiLeaks release of documents have on the US war in Afghanistan? And, with the release of the WikiLeaks documents, what is the role of the mainstream media in the reporting on the war? Alex Jones is back on RT America to comment.

YouTube - Alex Jones: Media puts spin on WikiLeaks (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50zeMhrqS5s&feature=player_embedded)

FrankRep
07-27-2010, 06:32 PM
Interesting Side Note:

Council on Foreign Relations calls for a Policy Shift in Afghanistan.



Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haass has penned a cover story for Newsweek magazine calling for a smaller U.S. presence in Afghanistan, but not complete withdrawal. by Thomas R. Eddlem


CFR President Richard Haass: Do Less in Afghanistan (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/4102-cfr-president-richard-haass-do-less-in-afghanistan)


Thomas R. Eddlem | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Thursday, 22 July 2010


Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Haass has penned a cover story (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/18/we-re-not-winning-it-s-not-worth-it.html) for Newsweek magazine calling for a smaller U.S. presence in Afghanistan, but not complete withdrawal.

The article, “Rethinking Afghanistan: We're not winning, It's not worth it," concludes (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/18/we-re-not-winning-it-s-not-worth-it.html) that:



The war the United States is now fighting in Afghanistan is not succeeding and is not worth waging in this way. The time has come to scale back U.S. objectives and sharply reduce U.S. involvement on the ground. Afghanistan is claiming too many American lives, requiring too much attention, and absorbing too many resources. The sooner we accept that Afghanistan is less a problem to be fixed than a situation to be managed, the better.


The initial rationale for the war — taking out al-Qaeda for its attacks on the United States on September 11, 2001 — has largely been accomplished. “There's hardly any al Qaeda left there,” Haass told (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#38306271) MSNBC's Morning Joe program. “Leon Panetta spoke the other day and said there is only between roughly 50 and 100 al Qaeda inside Afghanistan. That's not worth 100,000 American soldiers.”

Haass' basic argument is that Obama is losing the war that the Bush administration managed poorly. He argues (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/18/we-re-not-winning-it-s-not-worth-it.html), “After nearly nine years of war, however, continued or increased U.S. involvement in Afghanistan isn’t likely to yield lasting improvements that would be commensurate in any way with the investment of American blood and treasure. It is time to scale down our ambitions there and both reduce and redirect what we do.”

“The idea that we're going to create a strong successful central government goes against the entire grain of Afghan history,” Haass said of Obama's policy on Morning Joe, adding (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#38306271) that the ethnic make-up of Afghanistan means that “it's inevitable that the Taliban will reestablish some footholds. I don't like that, but I don't think that's worth American lives, so long as the Taliban does not bring back al Qaeda.”

That's not to say that al-Qaeda will regain a foothold in Afghanistan. “What the President has basically said any return of the Taliban is the same as a return of al Qaeda,” Haass told (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#38306271) Morning Joe's Mika Brzezinski “And I said that's not true. Let's test that proposition.”

Haass is sharply critical of the Obama administration policy, event though he reveals (http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/18/we-re-not-winning-it-s-not-worth-it.html) in the Newsweek article that he floated a similar proposal as an official in the Bush administration:



The Bush administration was less clear on what to do next. Working in the State Department at the time, I was appointed by President Bush as the U.S. government’s coordinator for the future of Afghanistan. At a National Security Council meeting chaired by the president in October 2001, I was the one arguing that once the Taliban were removed from power there might be a short-lived opportunity to help establish a weak but functional Afghan state. There and at subsequent meetings I pressed for a U.S. military presence of some 25,000–30,000 troops (matched by an equal number from NATO countries) to be part of an international force that would help maintain order after the invasion and train Afghans until they could protect themselves.


Haass told (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#38306271) Morning Joe that “the previous administration — right or wrong — essentially said that we're only going to go after al Qaeda there. We're not going to get ambitious in Afghanistan. Mr. Obama however, chose an entirely different path. He said this is truly important. This is central to the war on terror even though there are hardly any al Qaeda left there. He said this is central to the future of Pakistan, even though I think what happens in Pakistan is far more important to its future than anything that happens to Afghanistan.”

The essential argument Haass is making is not that American soldiers' lives are too valuable, or even that nation-building is a bad thing. To the contrary, Haass is President of the interventionist-minded Council on Foreign Relations and has floated nation-building proposals himself from time to time. Rather, Haass is concerned that the political capital — the willingness of the American people to allow their politicians to keep getting soldiers killed in foreign wars — is being used up in the Afghan war.

That's why Haass told (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/#38306271) Mika Brzezinski that increased intervention in Afghanistan was a mistake, adding: "I don't think it's worth the investment. I'm much more concerned about developments in Iran or North Korea.”

Haass doesn't argue that the lives of American soldiers are too precious to be thrown away on senseless foreign wars, but that they should be killed in a greater variety of foreign wars. His primary concern is that the Afghan war is discrediting intervention itself, and that it may (like Vietnam) lead to an America that begins to mind its own business in the world. He's right on that point. That's the thought that scares Haass, and the thought that should comfort all patriotic Americans — especially those concerned about the lives of their loved ones in the armed forces.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/world-mainmenu-26/asia-mainmenu-33/4102-cfr-president-richard-haass-do-less-in-afghanistan

michaelwise
07-27-2010, 06:32 PM
Alex Jones is a national treasure.

ClayTrainor
07-27-2010, 06:33 PM
lol... AJ looks like he has Down-Syndrome in the youtube picture. :p

Thanks for the link OP, will watch this a bit later.

Anti Federalist
07-27-2010, 06:48 PM
Alex Jones is a national treasure.

Agreed.


lol... AJ looks like he has Down-Syndrome in the youtube picture. :p

Thanks for the link OP, will watch this a bit later.

Ha, yeah that still shot is unflattering, isn't it?

PatriotOne
07-27-2010, 07:41 PM
Personally, I am convinced that Wikileaks is a CIA OP for many reasons. Am I the only one who thinks that or ? They could have arrested the owner for divulging Top Secret info a long time ago or easily shut down his website but they haven't. They are controlling the release of info while maintaining plausible deniability....makes total sense when one knows the real end game.

heavenlyboy34
07-27-2010, 08:01 PM
Personally, I am convinced that Wikileaks is a CIA OP for many reasons. Am I the only one who thinks that or ? They could have arrested the owner for divulging Top Secret info a long time ago or easily shut down his website but they haven't. They are controlling the release of info while maintaining plausible deniability....makes total sense when one knows the real end game.

It wasn't top secret, it was well-known among many people at the time it was posted. It just wasn't in the public domain yet. No, Wikileaks is not likely a CIA OP.

t0rnado
07-28-2010, 05:56 AM
Personally, I am convinced that Wikileaks is a CIA OP for many reasons. Am I the only one who thinks that or ? They could have arrested the owner for divulging Top Secret info a long time ago or easily shut down his website but they haven't. They are controlling the release of info while maintaining plausible deniability....makes total sense when one knows the real end game.

The government isn't as capable as you think they are. They probably could shoot Assange, but then thousands of others would pop up to replace him. It would be like saying Ron Paul is a CIA agent.

PatriotOne
07-30-2010, 08:55 PM
GORDON DUFF: WIKI-LEAKS IS ISRAEL, LIKE WE ALL DIDN’T KNOW

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/07/29/gordon-duff-wiki-leaks-is-isreal-like-we-all-didnt-know/

LAME “LEAK” SITE NOTHING MORE THAN THIN COVER FOR “THE TEL AVIV TANGO”
By Gordon Duff STAFF WRITER/Senior Editor

Now “Wiki-Leaks” is busy selling phony bin Laden stories, having the long dead Osama humiliating the CIA by running around villages in Afghanistan selling vacuum cleaners. What is our “leak” site really about? This is a dead news cycle. The World Cup is over, lots of people on holiday and no major stories. Only in a dead news period like this, as Oliver Stone pointed out, could the Israeli controlled media dump a pile of lame rumors mixed in with box loads of chickenfeed, passing it off as the story of the century.

Even the cover story, the mysterious Assange fleeing the murderous CIA, working to save the world is lame. WikiLeaks is lame. Please, everyone, go to the site and read everything there. I have seen more confidential information on a weather report. Assange is hardly a James Bond figure. Woody Allen is masculine in comparison.

Journalists all get leaks, and frankly, we don’t print most of them. Some we can’t trust. Some are just too dangerous. Some are simply illegal. Some are blatantly self serving Israeli propaganda coated with a veneer of anti-Americanism. This is “Wiki-leaks” material. What is important is what they don’t print. The only things that come out about Israel, the country most vulnerable to leaks, the country always up to the most skulduggery, is an occasional harmless story like their major leak on East Jerusalem settlements. It hit the New York Times first.

When you read Mr. Assange’s output, you are looking at one of the Mossad games, nothing more. They send some stories to Fox News, some to CNN, some to the Washington Post or London Times. They have their pick as their friends and co-workers own those outlets and so many more. The game today is using Wikileaks, given its 15 minutes of fame for trashing the US in Iraq with the helicopter video, to spread imaginary stories about Pakistan, the only nuclear power in the Middle East capable of standing up to Israel and the enemy of India.

India is what it is all really about. Israel is playing India for a fall, drawing them into their games they way they did with the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan. India will wake up with their government bought off, blackmailed, up to their neck in wars and insurgencies at home and fighting Israel’s enemies abroad. India is the next real target for rape, destruction, destabilization by Israel and our “Wiki-leak” is part of that game.

Another chosen victim, of course, is the United States, hated enemy of Israel, not for public consumption, however. Check the names of those who looted the American economy. In the top dresser drawer of 80% of those who took the US into bankruptcy, you will find an Israeli passport.

Did anyone ask why nothing was reported in 90,000 pages regarding the massive drug dealing in Afghanistan? With stories in the press around the world reporting that President Karzai and his brother are the biggest druglords in the world, why would this not be mentioned? Is it because Karzai is a good friend of the Indo-Israeli alliance that runs Wiki-leaks?

Classified Army documents are filled to the brim with reports that the CIA and their private contractors are involved in drug operations with Karzai but also other names are named including many prominent Americans, some members of congress. I won’t leak their names but I know they are in the documents. If Wiki got what they say they got, then most of their documents would have reported corruption, drug dealing, governments of a dozen countries would have been mentioned.

If real leaks were made public and we did something about it, first by arresting the gangsters and spies filling congress, the White House and every federal agency, we might balance our budget but who would be left to do the Sunday morning talk shows? If you want the names of those who would really be on leaked documents, check your TV listings. It isn’t a coincidence. Those chosen to lie on television are also being paid for other duties as well.

Israel would have been cited for laundering drug money for the Taliban. It is in the documents. I didn’t release them. That is illegal.

BG Asif Haroon Raja of Pakistan, former Attache to Egypt and respected intelligence analyst had the following to say about the Wiki barrage:

“Unsubstantiated and fabricated allegations against Pakistan and its premier institutions are so absurd and decayed that it gives nausea to the reader. Only ones who enjoy the stale jokes are its manufacturers or the game players. ISI-Taliban closeness has been drummed up in such a manner as if it is the biggest sin ever committed. Each time it is presented with a new flavor to make it look more breathtaking. This unholy practice has been going on systematically and incessantly for the last six years to condition the minds of the world audience and to convert falsehood into truth. Story of this nature is routinely published in western media every fortnightly.

In the last few months write ups on this subject have suddenly gained impetus. Previously, accusations were in the form of allegations made by newspapers and think tanks. Now top US civil and military officials have jumped into the arena with loins girded up and have started using high handed tactics openly without caring for diplomatic decorum. Propaganda assault together with verbal assaults by visiting officials and drone attacks have become a norm. They have become xenophobic and overbearing. This can be gauged from the mood of the three US visitors who visited Islamabad recently.

Prickly Hillary Clinton can see ghost of Osama sauntering in Pakistan each time she lands in Pakistan . Through her lens she sees ISI in cahoots with Taliban. She again reminded our harried rulers that any attack on US homeland with connection to Pakistan would have devastating consequences upon Pak-US relations. She conceitedly dangled few carrots to make them do more. Grim looking Holbrooke and tense ridden Adm. Mike Mullen harbored similar ideas. The trio wanted Pak Army to cut off its entire links with Taliban, consider Indians as friends and to promptly launch an operation in North Waziristan to chase out Haqqani network and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT), the two outfits most dreaded by USA . LeT has been put on the hit list to please India .

Wikileaks is a follow up of London Report and some of the objectives behind it are to keep Pakistan pressured and cornered, authenticate Indian allegations about ISI’s involvement in various acts of terror in Afghanistan, demonise LeT and defame ISI, exert pressure on Obama Administration to affect a change in its policy of softness towards Pakistan, reconciliation with Taliban and withdrawal of coalition forces. India together with Northern Alliance and pro-war American senior officials are possibly behind the Wikileaks scandal. This report is less harmful for Pakistan and more injurious for USA since source reports on Pakistan mostly provided by RAAM and RAW agents were never taken seriously by the receivers. Receiving officers have been noting their remarks on such reports as lacking in authenticity, biased and devoid of credibility. Moreover, such manipulated leakages would further widen rather than build trust gap between USA and Pakistan .”

When Joe Biden and General Petraeus both reported that Israel was endangering American troops, the classified portion of this involved Israeli operations in Afghanistan, which are extensive. Why would General Petraeus have gone to congress about Israel if he didn’t have documents? We couldn’t manage to leak those also? They are all over Washington, anyone could pick them up. They just don’t. Ask Oliver Stone why.

Hundreds of pages of reports of Israeli and Indian operatives in Pakistan’s region called Baluchistan were tossed out also. Their involvement in terrorism, not only against Iran but working directly with the Taliban in Pakistan was there but not included. So much wasn’t included.

Nothing involving drug flights being serviced by Israeli companies was released. It was in the files. If we really want to leak things, they are out there. It can get bloody.

Wikileaks leaves a trail of stench from Mr. Assange right to Tel Aviv. If anyone couldn’t see it, the corporate press or the Israeli press or the Zionist press or whatever the current buzz word is for the useless press, they put you on the path. They are the ones putting a spotlight on the disinformation and failing miserably to note how obviously the leaks have been edited to serve Israeli games.

Wikileaks is Israel. Assange works for them, I hope not unwittingly. I hate it when people are duped. I would rather he were paid or being blackmailed. I always want the useless to be rewarded in this life because, just in case their is another one after this, they know what they can expect there.

It won’t be pleasant.

I didn’t want to write this, add to the problem. Even negative publicity is publicity. Every time I am attacked, my readership goes up dramatically. It almost encourages one to be abrasive and unnecessarily controversial, like with Fox News.

Let’s cut this short. Wikileaks is simply another ploy by the ultra powerful Israel lobby, a cheap game meant to humiliate the United States, destroy Paksitan and build a reputation for a puppet. I suspect it will fail. I hope this effort is useful in that endeavor.