Getting the Black contingent to join the Liberty movement.

[freshjiva]

I know this topic has been raised on this forum before, but I wanted to ask a few open questions to the board about something that I feel is not only critical for the healthy growth of the Liberty movement, but something that makes rational sense.

We know that the Libertarian philosophy calls for self-reliance, but the very antithesis of this, i.e. welfare and entitlements programs, are enjoyed in large part by the black communities of America. Large portions of inner city black people live at or slightly above & below the poverty line, and are some of the biggest beneficiaries to the institutionalized labor union forces that often times get them above-market wages, pensions, and benefits.

These are all things that the Liberty movement stands to eliminate.

However, having a few black friends whom I grew close to as college roommates, both of whom grew up in the south side of Chicago, I've learned that:

1) The black mentality has always been to grow up on absolute self-reliance. Black people understand Street rules of getting things done on your own, not having to rely on others for help, and especially not relying on the police to protect them, but to protect themselves. In this regard, black people in general are some of the toughest people you'll ever find.

2) A lot of the content of hip hop actually has a consistent libertarian theme, describing the trials and tribulations of growing up on the streets of the inner city and how government, through its various forms and agencies, have disturbed peace and institutionalized racism, keeping black people as a whole down.

3) The drug wars are perhaps the biggest of these, which has harmed more black people than any other race.

4) Foreign policy: huge point here, as a majority of black people, especially rap/hiphop artists are strongly critical of American foreign policy and wars, government deception, secrecy, and control over the masses.

I know we have some black members of RPF, and I'd like to get your thoughts as well as everyone else's.

The point I'm trying to make here is this: black people, in general, seem to demonstrate strong libertarian characteristics. How can we thus broadcast our message of Liberty principles to attract a bigger contingent of black people who support our message? We've already achieved this with Prodigy of the hip hop group Mobb Deep show his intrigue of Ron Paul's ideas. But how can we keep this going? What must we do to get the attention of, say, guys like Lupe Fiasco, Nas, Talib Kweli, Common, and others? The Liberty message obviously shares a lot of common ground with the black mentality, so if we can just build a bridge into those communities, the possibilities are endless.

[FrankRep]

Here's a Thread dedicated to that subject:

Reaching out to the African-American community with the Message of Liberty
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=223674

[t0rnado]

black people, in general, seem to demonstrate strong libertarian characteristics.

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard on this forum in a while.

[freshjiva]

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard on this forum in a while.

Then you didn't read my explanation for why I believe that.

[t0rnado]

Then you didn't read my explanation for why I believe that.

You haven't explained why black people, in general, demonstrate strong libertarian characteristics. You've just posted a list of vague crap.

[michaelwise]

The main stream media has created the divide using the race card to keep the black people firmly out of the Tea Party movement through their constant race baiting.

Break this conundrum and the black community will join in droves.

[The Patriot]

Why not get the white contingent to join the liberty movement? I mean, if we are going to have a race based strategy, it makes sense to go for the largest demographic with the largest amount of conservatives/libertarians, and the largest amount of people who voted for Ron Paul.

[The Patriot]

That's the stupidest fucking thing I've heard on this forum in a while.

It is, I mean, that self reliance thing is the biggest piece of crud I have ever heard. They have a disproportionate amount of people on welfare compared to any other racial group, and have had so for generations.

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: In Line For 'Obama Money' In Detroit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw)

[t0rnado]

Unless all of us dye our skin neon green, there isn't a skin color based collective that, in general, is libertarian.

[The Patriot]

Unless all of us dye our skin neon green, there isn't a skin color based collective that, in general, is libertarian.

I agree, to a certain extent. And I think it would be counterintuitive. The Libertarian message is an individualist based one, not a collectivist based one. Running a campaign to target a racial group, making outreach to one racial group, is contrary to libertarian principles.

[FrankRep]

Running a campaign to target a racial group, making outreach to one racial group, is contrary to libertarian principles.

Demographics do exist in reality; sorry to burst your Libertarian bubble. You must customize your message for the type of person you want to reach.

[The Patriot]

Demographics do exist in reality; sorry to burst your Libertarian bubble. You must customize your message for the type of person you want to reach.

Okay then, just be ready for Ron Paul to lose in a landslide again, when he tries to target the "black vote". He will do worse than last time.

[FrankRep]

Okay then, just be ready for Ron Paul to lose in a landslide again, when he tries to target the "black vote". He will do worse than last time.

I mean like this:



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[LibertyMage]

Politics 101 - connect with people on the ground that they currently stand. If what you say is true, then you should be able to connect with them on one or more issues and explain how the libertarian world view upholds their values.

[silus]

How to target black people? Listen close...

WE JUST FOCUS ON AMPLIFYING RON PAUL'S MESSAGE.

People who want to adopt their pet issue, thats great, but take it up on your own. This is a forum for Ron Paul. Stop diluting his message, and the significance of his message with shit like the birther issue, partisan politics, enhancing the point of view that problems stem from just one man (Obama)... I can keep going. But the bottom line is Ron Paul is the example of what is appealing to all people. If we stopped arguing of what to do and how to act and just followed his example we would be twice as productive.

[someperson]

How to target black people? Listen close...

WE JUST FOCUS ON AMPLIFYING RON PAUL'S MESSAGE.

People who want to adopt their pet issue, thats great, but take it up on your own. This is a forum for Ron Paul. Stop diluting his message, and the significance of his message with shit like the birther issue, partisan politics, enhancing the point of view that problems stem from just one man (Obama)... I can keep going. But the bottom line is Ron Paul is the example of what is appealing to all people. If we stopped arguing of what to do and how to act and just followed his example we would be twice as productive.
+1 :)

[MelissaWV]

Demographics do exist in reality; sorry to burst your Libertarian bubble. You must customize your message for the type of person you want to reach.

Your assumption is that "race" helps you do that. Perhaps playing into cliches and stereotypes, or insulting someone's intelligence by saying they are too bigoted to listen to a good message from a "white guy," so here's a "black guy" to deliver the same message... perhaps that's all a part of your "customization." It seems idiotic to me.

Rather than tailor messages to skin color which, by its very definition, involves relying upon cliches and stereotypes... you could tailor your message to people impacted by our Government's oppressive legislation. This should be incredibly easy, seeing as we are all under the Government's boot.

Demographics DO exist in reality, but that doesn't make any one group more "valuable" by default, other than voters. Relevance has been lost when examining demographics. Perhaps we should draw more lefties to the movement; almost everyone I've known has been right-handed. What would this gain? Not a whole lot. Perhaps we should get more VOTERS to join the movement, and in particular we should care about getting people EXPERIENCED in the political process to join. The vast majority of people on the forums are in the USA, so we're all in a great position to spread the word and educate ourselves on the election processes in our own state/county/city/etc..

Care about that, and stop worrying about who has the darkest tan, or which group has the most males or females, or which group has the most LGBT's. Worry about which group has the most voters in the best position and the most people in decision-making roles (delegates, etc.).

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Your assumption is that "race" helps you do that. Perhaps playing into cliches and stereotypes, or insulting someone's intelligence by saying they are too bigoted to listen to a good message from a "white guy," so here's a "black guy" to deliver the same message... perhaps that's all a part of your "customization." It seems idiotic to me.

Rather than tailor messages to skin color which, by its very definition, involves relying upon cliches and stereotypes... you could tailor your message to people impacted by our Government's oppressive legislation. This should be incredibly easy, seeing as we are all under the Government's boot.

Demographics DO exist in reality, but that doesn't make any one group more "valuable" by default, other than voters. Relevance has been lost when examining demographics. Perhaps we should draw more lefties to the movement; almost everyone I've known has been right-handed. What would this gain? Not a whole lot. Perhaps we should get more VOTERS to join the movement, and in particular we should care about getting people EXPERIENCED in the political process to join. The vast majority of people on the forums are in the USA, so we're all in a great position to spread the word and educate ourselves on the election processes in our own state/county/city/etc..

Care about that, and stop worrying about who has the darkest tan, or which group has the most males or females, or which group has the most LGBT's. Worry about which group has the most voters in the best position and the most people in decision-making roles (delegates, etc.).

zziiiing!

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

It is, I mean, that self reliance thing is the biggest piece of crud I have ever heard. They have a disproportionate amount of people on welfare compared to any other racial group, and have had so for generations.

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: In Line For 'Obama Money' In Detroit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw)

Yeah, all black folks suck on the govt titty, didnt you know?







Fuckin idiot. :mad:

[FrankRep]

Your assumption is that "race" helps you do that. Perhaps playing into cliches and stereotypes, or insulting someone's intelligence by saying they are too bigoted to listen to a good message from a "white guy," so here's a "black guy" to deliver the same message... perhaps that's all a part of your "customization." It seems idiotic to me.

Are you saying that Collectivism doesn't have a stronghold in various Black communities? Jesse Lee Peterson would disagree with you.


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YouTube - Jesse Peterson On Black Socialism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7cAglsuRqE)

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YouTube - Jesse Lee Peterson: Obama elected by black racists and guilty white people (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vk5nZJhHA00)

[acptulsa]

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=233309&highlight=african+libertarian

[FrankRep]

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[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

Fact is, black people have had decades of indoctrination and miseducation by the black elitists, academics, Democratic and socialist establishments, etc.

The key is the new generation. You dont need to come at black people with hip hop lines and shit to get our attention. Thats actually pretty condescending. Just come with the facts. Thats what got me onto the liberty movement. I saw Ron Paul and Schiff talking and it just clicked, and I went from there. All black people arent the same just like all Mexicans aren't the same, all Irish arent the same, all Italians, Jews, Indians, etc.

The great thing about liberty and freedom is that its the most beneficial to everybody!

[michaelwise]

Lets have a summer Tea Party Picnic and invite the Black community to attend. Iced Tea and great BBQ will be served.

[johngr]

Lets have a summer Tea Party Picnic and invite the Black community to attend. Iced Tea and great BBQ will be served.

Better make sure you have enough food (see quote in bold below):


Mayor Kasim Reed said police and parks officials will conduct a comprehensive review of security protocols in wake of the melee that interrupted Thursday night's "Screen on the Green" at Piedmont Park.

Reed vowed the city will take "extraordinary steps to make sure that the security strategy for this event is adequate and fully-enforced."

In the meantime sponsors of the long-running summer film series have decided to postpone next Thursday's feature by one week, Peachtree TV said in a statement released Friday afternoon.

Sponsors Peachtree TV, City of Atlanta and the Piedmont Park Conservancy are "committed to continuing this summer tradition in the city's landmark park, and are working together to ensure that it remains a safe and fun family event," the statement said.

It was anything but that Thursday night, according to witnesses who said groups of marauding teens took over the event.

At a late-morning press conference, interim Police Chief George Turner said that the city requires that all special event organizers have a security plan in place that specifies the number of "personnel required for the event based on the information that is supplied in the application."

"While the Atlanta Police Department works in partnership with the event organizers and the Mayor’s Office of Special Events, the security personnel are responsible for ensuring the city-approved plan is followed," Turner said.

But, he said that in the future on-duty Atlanta officers will monitor the event.

That might be counter-productive, concert promoter Alex Cooley told the AJC.

"Nothing against the police, but when you have a uniform navigating through a crowd of people that can cause problems," said Cooley, who promoted the Midtown Music Festival.

Cooley, who's promoted events and concerts at home and abroad, said Atlanta's security policy is routine.

"I've been doing large-scale events for 35 years and that's how it's always been," he said. Typically the promoter will contract with a private security force that provides "T-shirt security," Cooley said. "They marshal a force and try to diffuse the situation. If that doesn't work, they go to the off-duty cops who are usually stationed around the perimeter of the grounds.

"Maybe I've been lucky, but I've never experienced any major problems with security."

But some witnesses at Thursday's screening of "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" said security was inadequate.

Ron Sweatland wrote the AJC in an early morning e-mail Friday that about 15 minutes into the movie, "everyone's attention was diverted to the back end of the event where a group fight was taking place.

"There seemed to be no police presence and after about 10 minutes of this brawl it broke up with a group of people running into the dark," Sweatland wrote.

Turner said approximately 10,000 people were in the park, with 23 off-duty officers providing security.

After the fracas – Turner said it started with girls fighting, followed by a group of boys scuffling – the movie was stopped and off-duty officers “dumped” the park.

“Then we got a call from off-duty and we responded with the blue lights,” Turner said, adding that one person has been arrested for an unrelated incident. The chief said there was no evidence of gunfire at the event, as some had reported.

Police continue to look for suspects. An incident report was not available when requested Friday afternoon from Atlanta Police.

Turner said the movie drew a larger crowd than anticipated.

“They had a young – if you will – movie,” Turner said. “And they had more people than they anticipated. It was a lot younger crowd.”

One movie-goer said free chicken sandwiches may had contributed to the brawl.

"It was an absolute mob scene, from the Chick-fil-A girls getting mobbed trying to hand out free sandwiches to the complete lack of respect for the people watching the movie," said Marc Freund.

"After enduring the first 30 minutes of the movie with people walking around and screaming, we decided to leave," Freund told the AJC.

Midtown resident Jeff Keesee said there were "gangs of kids roaming the aisles, doing stunts to get crowd reactions. People just standing around talking, yelling -- disrespect, rudeness, unruliness -- a total disaster."

[MelissaWV]

Are you saying that Collectivism doesn't have a stronghold in various Black communities? Jesse Lee Peterson would disagree with you.
...YouTube - Jesse Lee Peterson: Obama elected by black racists and guilty white people...

Good for him. That sort of crap sounds moronic to me, but I suppose it sounds like the beginnings of a sound campaign strategy to you? If so, you are free to pander and spread the message of freedom and individuality by lumping people together via your perception of their characteristics based on skin color.

I'm free to think that "various Black communities" is just another idiotic label slapped on something people are too lazy to analyze to any great degree.

[Knightskye]

How about we not think of people as a "contingent"?

[TheBlackPeterSchiff]

How about we not think of people as a "contingent"?

this :D

[someperson]

this :D
this :)

[freshjiva]

Good for him. That sort of crap sounds moronic to me, but I suppose it sounds like the beginnings of a sound campaign strategy to you? If so, you are free to pander and spread the message of freedom and individuality by lumping people together via your perception of their characteristics based on skin color.

I'm free to think that "various Black communities" is just another idiotic label slapped on something people are too lazy to analyze to any great degree.

I like how you think, Melissa. I didn't mean to start up a fight by bringing up race. I do recognize the fallacy of applying an idea like Liberty upon a specific collective group like Race, and I apologize. Everyone that has posted here is correct: Liberty is a positive for individuals, which are unitary elements who choose to organize themselves into demographics.

Therefore, I should've said that my observations were of those particular individuals who demonstrated self-reliant, anti-State, and anti-war characteristics, and they just happened to be black.

[jmdrake]

It is, I mean, that self reliance thing is the biggest piece of crud I have ever heard. They have a disproportionate amount of people on welfare compared to any other racial group, and have had so for generations.

YouTube - Rush Limbaugh: In Line For 'Obama Money' In Detroit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKb78kJhaMw)

Right. I mean it was black people owning controlling stock in Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Halliburton, General Motors, Monsanto, AIG, Goldman Sachs......

Oh wait a minute. That's white folks. :o

It's this type of crap thinking that keeps people weak and divided. EVERYBODY is sucking off the government in one way or another. Halliburton getting a no bid contract to drive empty trucks across the Iraqi desert is as much a problem as some welfare mom white or black. That's why, as much as I can't stand him for being a warmongering neocon, I have some respect for Alan Keyes. When he talks about ending welfare he's as much for ending corporate welfare as he is for ending individual welfare.

[jmdrake]

How to target black people? Listen close...

WE JUST FOCUS ON AMPLIFYING RON PAUL'S MESSAGE.

People who want to adopt their pet issue, thats great, but take it up on your own. This is a forum for Ron Paul. Stop diluting his message, and the significance of his message with shit like the birther issue, partisan politics, enhancing the point of view that problems stem from just one man (Obama)... I can keep going. But the bottom line is Ron Paul is the example of what is appealing to all people. If we stopped arguing of what to do and how to act and just followed his example we would be twice as productive.

^This. Especially the part about Obama not being the source of the problems. We should be at tea parties holding up "Bush = Obama" signs. I'm always hearing people say "You guys weren't against bailouts when Bush was president". I gently remind that wasn't at all true.

[andrewh817]

My guess is that the people who lived under Russian central planning are the most libertarian people you could meet. They've been brutalized and coerced against more than most people here. So really, any group who has experienced the destructive inevitabilites of state power tends to be more libertarian than the average person. It has nothing to do with skin color.