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Elwar
07-22-2010, 09:32 AM
So you think that money is the root of all evil?

Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of
exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men
able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle
that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give
value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your
product by tears, or of the looters, who take it from you by force.
Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you
consider evil?

When you accept money in payment for your effort, you do so only on
the conviction that you will exchange it for the product of the effort
of others. It is not the moochers or the looters who give value to
money. Not an ocean of tears not all the guns in the world can
transform those pieces of paper in your wallet into the bread you will
need to survive tomorrow. Those pieces of paper, which should have
been gold, are a token of honor,your claim upon the energy of the men
who produce. Your wallet is your statement of hope that somewhere in
the world around you there are men who will not default on that moral
principle which is the root of money, Is this what you consider evil?

Have you ever looked for the root of production? Take a look at an
electric generator and dare tell yourself that it was created by the
muscular effort of unthinking brutes. Try to grow a seed of wheat
without the knowledge left to you by men who had to discover it for
the first time. Try to obtain your food by means of nothing but
physical motions,and you'll learn that man's mind is the root of all
the goods produced and of all the wealth that has ever existed on
earth.

But you say that money is made by the strong at the expense of the
weak? What strength do you mean? It is not the strength of guns or
muscles. Wealth is the product of man's capacity to think. Then is
money made by the man who invents a motor at the expense of those who
did not invent it? Is money made by the intelligent at the expense of
the fools? By the able at the expense of the incompetent? By the
ambitious at the expense of the lazy? Money is made before it can be
looted or mooched made by the effort of every honest man, each to the
extent of his ability. An honest man is one who knows that he can't
consume more than he has produced.

To trade by means of money is the code of the men of good will. Money
rests on the axiom that every man is the owner of his mind and his
effort. Money allows no power to prescribe the value of your effort
except the voluntary choice of the man who is willing to trade you his
effort in return. Money permits you to obtain for your goods and your
labor that which they are worth to the men who buy them, but no more.
Money permits no deals except those to mutual benefit by the unforced
judgment of the traders. Money demands of you the recognition that men
must work for their own benefit, not for their own injury, for their
gain, not their loss�the recognition that they are not beasts of
burden, born to carry the weight of your misery that you must offer
them values, not wounds that the common bond among men is not the
exchange of suffering, but the exchange of goods. Money demands that
you sell, not your weakness to men's stupidity, but your talent to
their reason; it demands that you buy, not the shoddiest they offer,
but the best that your money can find. And when men live by trade with
reason, not force, as their final arbiter�it is the best product that
wins, the best performance, the man of best judgment and highest
ability and the degree of a man's productiveness is the degree of his
reward. This is the code of existence whose tool and symbol is money.
Is this what you consider evil?

But money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it
will not replace you as the driver. It will give you the means for the
satisfaction of your desires, but it will not provide you with
desires. Money is the scourge of the men who attempt to reverse the
law of causality the men who seek to replace the mind by seizing the
products of the mind.

Money will not purchase happiness for the man who has no concept of
what he wants: money will not give him a code of values, if he's
evaded the knowledge of what to value, and it will not provide him
with a purpose, if he's evaded the choice of what to seek. Money will
not buy intelligence for the fool, or admiration for the coward, or
respect for the incompetent. The man who attempts to purchase the
brains of his superiors to serve him, with his money replacing his
judgment, ends up by becoming the victim of his inferiors. The men of
intelligence desert him, but the cheats and the frauds come flocking
to him, drawn by a law which he has not discovered: that no man may be
smaller than his money. Is this the reason why you call it evil?

Only the man who does not need it, is fit to inherit wealth the man
who would make his own fortune no matter where he started. If an heir
is equal to his money, it serves him; if not, it destroys him. But you
look on and you cry that money corrupted him. Did it? Or did he
corrupt his money? Do not envy a worthless heir; his wealth is not
yours and you would have done no better with it. Do not think that it
should have been distributed among you; loading the world with fifty
parasites instead of one, would not bring back the dead virtue which
was the fortune. Money is a living power that dies without its root.
Money will not serve the mind that cannot match it. Is this the reason
why you call it evil?

Money is your means of survival. The verdict you pronounce upon the
source of your livelihood is the verdict you pronounce upon your life.
If the source is corrupt, you have damned your own existence. Did you
get your money by fraud? By pandering to men's vices or men's
stupidity? By catering to fools, in the hope of getting more than your
ability deserves? By lowering your standards? By doing work you
despise for purchasers you scorn? If so, then your money will not give
you a moment's or a penny's worth of joy. Then all the things you buy
will become, not a tribute to you, but a reproach; not an achievement,
but a reminder of shame. Then you'll scream that money is evil. Evil,
because it would not pinch-hit for your self-respect? Evil, because it
would not let you enjoy your depravity? Is this the root of your
hatred of money?

Money will always remain an effect and refuse to replace you as the
cause. Money is the product of virtue, but it will not give you virtue
and it will not redeem your vices. Money will not give you the
unearned, neither in matter nor in spirit. Is this the root of your
hatred of money?

Or do you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To
love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know
and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within
you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best
among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who
is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money, and he has good reason
to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know
they are able to deserve it.

Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns
money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned
it.

Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That
sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men
live together on earth and need means to deal with one another, their
only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

But money demands of you the highest virtues, if you wish to make it
or to keep it. Men who have no courage, pride or self-esteem, men who
have no moral sense of their right to their money and are not willing
to defend it as they defend their life, men who apologize for being
rich, will not remain rich for long. They are the natural bait for the
swarms of looters that stay under rocks for centuries, but come
crawling out at the first smell of a man who begs to be forgiven for
the guilt of owning wealth. They will hasten to relieve him of the
guilt, and of his life, as he deserves.

Then you will see the rise of the men of the double standard, the men
who live by force, yet count on those who live by trade to create the
value of their looted money, the men who are the hitchhikers of
virtue. In a moral society, these are the criminals, and the statutes
are written to protect you against them. But when a society
establishes criminals-by-right and looters-by-law, men who use force
to seize the wealth of disarmed victims, then money becomes its
creators' avenger. Such looters believe it safe to rob defenseless
men, once they've passed a law to disarm them. But their loot becomes
the magnet for other looters, who get it from them as they got it.
Then the race goes, not to the ablest at production, but to those most
ruthless at brutality. When force is the standard, the murderer wins
over the pickpocket. And then that society vanishes, in a spread of
ruins and slaughter.

Do you wish to know whether that day is coming? Watch money. Money is
the barometer of a society's virtue. When you see that trading is
done, not by consent, but by compulsion, when you see that in order to
produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce
nothing,when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in
goods, but in favors,when you see that men get richer by graft and by
pull than by work, and your laws don't protect you against them, but
protect them against you,when you see corruption being rewarded and
honesty becoming a self-sacrifice,you may know that your society is
doomed. Money is so noble a medium that is does not compete with guns
and it does not make terms with brutality. It will not permit a
country to survive as half-property, half-loot.

Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money,
for money is men's protection and the base of a moral existence.
Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of
paper. This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the
arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an
objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage
on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are
expected to produce it. Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon
an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch
for the day when it bounces, marked, 'Account overdrawn.'

When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to
remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for
the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them
to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded. Do not
ask, 'Who is destroying the world? You are.

You stand in the midst of the greatest achievements of the greatest
productive civilization and you wonder why it's crumbling around you,
while you're damning its life-blood,money. You look upon money as the
savages did before you, and you wonder why the jungle is creeping back
to the edge of your cities. Throughout men's history, money was always
seized by looters of one brand or another, whose names changed, but
whose method remained the same: to seize wealth by force and to keep
the producers bound, demeaned, defamed, deprived of honor. That phrase
about the evil of money, which you mouth with such righteous
recklessness, comes from a time when wealth was produced by the labor
of slaves,slaves who repeated the motions once discovered by
somebody's mind and left unimproved for centuries. So long as
production was ruled by force, and wealth was obtained by conquest,
there was little to conquer, Yet through all the centuries of
stagnation and starvation, men exalted the looters, as aristocrats of
the sword, as aristocrats of birth, as aristocrats of the bureau, and
despised the producers, as slaves, as traders, as shopkeepers,as
industrialists.

To the glory of mankind, there was, for the first and only time in
history, a country of money,and I have no higher, more reverent
tribute to pay to America, for this means: a country of reason,
justice, freedom, production, achievement. For the first time, man's
mind and money were set free, and there were no fortunes-by-conquest,
but only fortunes-by-work, and instead of swordsmen and slaves, there
appeared the real maker of wealth, the greatest worker, the highest
type of human being,the self-made man,the American industrialist.

If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would
choose,because it contains all the others,the fact that they were the
people who created the phrase 'to make money.' No other language or
nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of
wealth as a static quantity,to be seized, begged, inherited, shared,
looted of obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand
that wealth has to be created. The words 'to make money' hold the
essence of human morality.

Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the
rotted cultures of the looters' continents. Now the looters' credo has
brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of
shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the
industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the
product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven
slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he
sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of
the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide, as, I think,
he will.

Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you
ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by
which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men.
Blood, whips and guns or dollars. Take your choice,there is no
other,and your time is running out.

Source: http://www.working-minds.com/money.htm

Krugerrand
07-22-2010, 09:49 AM
I hate to rain on the parade ... but the line is "The love of money is the root of all evil" or sometimes translated "Avarice is the root of all evil." It does change the meaning of the phrase.

FrankRep
07-22-2010, 09:51 AM
Love of Money is the Root of all Evil.

YumYum
07-22-2010, 09:51 AM
: "Or do you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To
love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know
and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within
you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best
among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who
is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money, and he has good reason
to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know
they are able to deserve it."

1 Timothy 6:10 says: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil."

Jesus taught his followers to be content with sustenance and covering.

1 Timothy 6: 6-9 also states:
"But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. (8) But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. (9) People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction."

cooker263
07-22-2010, 10:03 AM
Well if the money is evil in the first place, how do you not expect evil to come about from it?

Our monetary system is fraudulent, how do you expect that not to allow the fruits of that to expand to everything else? If people can manipulate the system to pursue their self interests, you just perpetuate the problem.

ClayTrainor
07-22-2010, 10:07 AM
: "Or do you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To
love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know
and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within
you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best
among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who
is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money, and he has good reason
to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know
they are able to deserve it."

1 Timothy 6:10 says: "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil."

Jesus taught his followers to be content with sustenance and covering.

1 Timothy 6: 6-9 also states:
"But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. (8) But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. (9) People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction."


Love of Money is the Root of all Evil.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


Or do you say it's the love of money that's the root of all evil? To
love a thing is to know and love its nature. To love money is to know
and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within
you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best
among men. It's the person who would sell his soul for a nickel, who
is loudest in proclaiming his hatred of money, and he has good reason
to hate it. The lovers of money are willing to work for it. They know
they are able to deserve it.

Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns
money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned
it.


That was a great read, thanks Elwar!

FrankRep
07-22-2010, 10:07 AM
Well if the money is evil in the first place, how do you not expect evil to come about from it.


Money is only a symbol; not good or bad.

Sentient Void
07-22-2010, 10:25 AM
Great post. Money is nothing but a convenient medium of exchange. Is barter evil, too, then?

Initial aggression is the root of all evil.

/Problem solved.

Krugerrand
07-22-2010, 10:25 AM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



That was a great read, thanks Elwar!

Yes ... it was a good read. But, that half-hearted attempt on the part of the author to twist the case to fit the "love of money" expression fell short of being worth included in the text.

Seraphim
07-22-2010, 10:27 AM
Great post. Money is nothing but a convenient medium of exchange. Is barter evil, too, then?

Initial aggression is the root of all evil.

/Problem solved.

Tell that to Cheney and Bush. :rolleyes:

Sentient Void
07-22-2010, 10:29 AM
Tell that to Cheney and Bush. :rolleyes:

How is my statement debunked by Cheney and Bush?

noxagol
07-22-2010, 10:31 AM
Money is the greatest invention of man.

osan
07-22-2010, 10:33 AM
So you think that money is the root of all evil?


Um.... no. Not even when I was a child. Why do you ask?

osan
07-22-2010, 10:35 AM
How is my statement debunked by Cheney and Bush?

I see the sarcasm winged its way right over your head.

Sentient Void
07-22-2010, 10:37 AM
I see the sarcasm winged its way right over your head.

Apparently. I was wonderin if it was sarcasm, but the :-/ rolleyes threw me off.

Seraphim
07-22-2010, 10:41 AM
How is my statement debunked by Cheney and Bush?

Lol well I was agreeing with you.

The neocons believe in pre-emptive strikes. My statement has the ":rolleyes:" in it. I was being sarcastic as neocons think their pre-emptive attacks are justified.

FunkBuddha
07-22-2010, 10:59 AM
I thought evil was the root of all evil...

Sentient Void
07-22-2010, 11:06 AM
Lol well I was agreeing with you.

The neocons believe in pre-emptive strikes. My statement has the ":rolleyes:" in it. I was being sarcastic as neocons think their pre-emptive attacks are justified.

Lol I initially thought so, but those Rolleyes fucked me up, haha! Fucking Internet.

Elwar
07-22-2010, 02:27 PM
That was from Atlas Shrugged in case anyone missed it...

:)

Zippyjuan
07-22-2010, 02:41 PM
People are the root of all evil. Let's get rid of them.

VBRonPaulFan
07-22-2010, 02:47 PM
that was one of my favorite speeches from that book. there were so many good quotes from that book that its hard to keep them all straight.

Elwar
10-01-2012, 05:15 AM
Movie number two coming out this month.

romacox
10-01-2012, 05:22 AM
Money is a tool like a gun or anything else. It is neither good or bad. It is how it is used that makes the difference. Money has saved lives (hart stints take funding), and money has destroyed lives (the wars).

Elwar
10-01-2012, 05:39 AM
Money is a tool like a gun or anything else. It is neither good or bad. It is how it is used that makes the difference. Money has saved lives (hart stints take funding), and money has destroyed lives (the wars).

To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within
you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men.

romacox
10-01-2012, 06:43 AM
To love money is to know and love the fact that money is the creation of the best power within
you, and your passkey to trade your effort for the effort of the best among men.

Because of fiat money the Federal Reserve has unlimited resources to fund their goals:

In 1933, Vice-President John Garner, when referring to the international bankers (Federal Reserve), said: “You see, gentlemen, who owns the United States .”

What once was owned by the people is now owned by a private organization.

The Federal Reserve is one of the 10 planks in the Communist Manifesto:
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.
Americans are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, but are actually "government force-tax-funded schools " Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like "majority rules", and "pay your fair share". WHERE are the words "fair share" in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is "fair share" even suggested !! The philosophical concept of "fair share" comes from the Communist maxim, "From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. ... America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC ... Teaching ourselves and others how to "fish" to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be "needy"... Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

The definition of socialization:
so·cial·i·za·tion
   [soh-shuh-luh-zey-shuhn] Show IPA
noun
1.
a continuing process whereby an individual acquires a personal identity and learns the norms, values, behavior, and social skills appropriate to his or her social position.
2.
the act or process of making socialistic: the socialization of industry.

P.S. evil may be a rather strong word, but it (fiat money) certainly is not in the best interest of the people. One has to decide for themselves if evil is an accurate description of fiat money, or not.