Fred Thompson's #s out -- only $3mln on hand for the primaries?

[csen]

Total Receipts This Period 12,828,110.93
Total Disbursements This Period 5,706,366.67
Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 7,121,744.26

Total received for primaries:

Primary 2008 8,670,774.92

So if $4.2mln wasn't for the primaries, does that mean his $7.1mln cash on hand is really just $3mln for the primaries?

[DaronWestbrooke]

Where are you all getting these (from this and other threads)? Do you have a link?

[csen]

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00438507.html

[torchbearer]

Total Receipts This Period 12,828,110.93
Total Disbursements This Period 5,706,366.67
Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 7,121,744.26

Total received for primaries:

Primary 2008 8,670,774.92

So if $4.2mln wasn't for the primaries, does that mean his $7.1mln cash on hand is really just $3mln for the primaries?

Those numbers seem right... but why would people donate so much for the general election and nothing to the primary election, that's backwards.

[csen]

Those numbers seem right... but why would people donate so much for the general election and nothing to the primary election, that's backwards.

My guess is it's people donating $4600 ($2300 for each), solely for the purpose of juicing his headline numbers.

[kylejack]

I think you might be on to something here...

[kylejack]

Those numbers seem right... but why would people donate so much for the general election and nothing to the primary election, that's backwards.

They donated half as much for the general. 8 million for primaries, 4 million for general. 8 million - cash spent = cash that can be spent for primaries.

[smhbbag]

I'm curious, too....

but the numbers for everyone will be here

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/

[JMann]

Is Freddie still in the race? Drudge headline today...

After First Debate, Fred Thompson Disappears From Campaign Trail, Cancels Event In NH...

[fletcher]

Those numbers seem right... but why would people donate so much for the general election and nothing to the primary election, that's backwards.

Your donations go to the primary fund first. You cannot donate to the general without maxing out the primary.

[kylejack]

Is Freddie still in the race? Drudge headline today...

After First Debate, Fred Thompson Disappears From Campaign Trail, Cancels Event In NH...

I doubt it. He's just flaky. He was doing this crap before the debate too.

[FluffyUnbound]

$10,200 in military contributions. Better than Rudy certainly, but not great.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00438507/A_EMPLOYER_C00438507.html

[Johnnybags]

2,722,677.87? Bwhahahahaha, FRED is reallly burning up the race? What a fraud.

[torchbearer]

So, we actually have more money on hand than fred does for the primaries. that should be a headline.

[JMann]

I doubt it. He's just flaky. He was doing this crap before the debate too.

If he only has about 2.8 million in cash he won't be around for long. These 'top tier' candidates spend that in about 3 weeks without doing heavy ad buys. Without a big influx of cash he will be letting people go soon and the money will dry up. Unlike McCain who can't except the fact his time has passed, Fred will drop out quickly if he doesn't have plenty of money.

[CasualApathy]

Is Freddie still in the race? Drudge headline today...

After First Debate, Fred Thompson Disappears From Campaign Trail, Cancels Event In NH...

His advisors probably have him locked up, trying to get his presidential act together...

[Johnnybags]

FRED looks like he shook down the entire state of Tennessee yet we know Paul filled the War Memorial, looks like a bust t o me. WHat did he sepnd it on? That BUS?

[Ninja Homer]

Total Receipts This Period 12,828,110.93
Total Disbursements This Period 5,706,366.67
Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 7,121,744.26

Total received for primaries:

Primary 2008 8,670,774.92

So if $4.2mln wasn't for the primaries, does that mean his $7.1mln cash on hand is really just $3mln for the primaries?

Maybe I'm missing something, but where do you get the total received for primaries number? I've looked here, and I'm not seeing it:
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00438507.html

[ronpaulyourmom]

I think you guys are reading this wrong... I think the correct interpretation is:

- 8.67 million collected in contributions since July 1st.
- The rest of his money comes from June rollovers from his PAC, but is not counted as a contribution in the period.

I think he has no general election money. If you look at Rudy's numbers, it specifically lists General Election funds, whereas Thompson's does not list any for that.

In other words, 7 million appears to be the real number for cash on hand, but with 700k in debt.

[ronpaulyourmom]

Maybe I'm missing something, but where do you get the total received for primaries number? I've looked here, and I'm not seeing it:
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00438507.html

Fred's:
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00438507/A_ELECTION_C00438507.html

Rudy's:
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00430512/A_ELECTION_C00430512.html

[kylejack]

Yeah, you might be right there.

[Original_Intent]

Total Receipts This Period 12,828,110.93
Total Disbursements This Period 5,706,366.67
Cash on Hand at CLOSE of the Reporting Period 7,121,744.26

Total received for primaries:

Primary 2008 8,670,774.92

So if $4.2mln wasn't for the primaries, does that mean his $7.1mln cash on hand is really just $3mln for the primaries?

The numbers are even worse for Freddy than the picture you paint.

Primary 2008 8,670,774.92
Total Disbursements This Period 5,706,366.67

Net Primary Cash on Hand 2,964,408.25
Debt 678.432.01

Cash On Hand minus debt $2,285,976.24

[Primbs]

So much for that top tier candidate.

[Johnnybags]

FRED raises millions blahblahblah, the entire boob tube world is nothing but charlatans. This is worse than McCain. Only the Ghouls NYNJ money makes him any better.

[paulitics]

Fred has lymphoma. I think this has more to do with his lackluster performance, and lack of vibrancy than anything else. I was always quite surprised that he would even consider running since lymphoma is such an insidious disease.

[Paulitician]

2,722,677.87? Bwhahahahaha, FRED is reallly burning up the race? What a fraud.
Indeed. :D

[Primbs]

Fred seems to have a very expensive campaign. He will use his money quickly.

[Johnnybags]

Huge money pit operation, payroll is huge and he owes

INFOCISION 502,900.56


for telemarketing. I doubt Ron needs telemarketers LOL. The grassroots is saving him tons.

[Original_Intent]

Cash On Hand minus debt $2,285,976.24

[kylejack]

Cash On Hand minus debt $2,285,976.24

As stated earlier in the thread, its not 8 million for the primaries. Its his REAL cash on hand number, minus debt.

[philipsantamaria]

so the actual leaderboard looks like

RUDY
ROMNEY
RON
MCCAIN
FRED

or does FRED have more than McCain

[kylejack]

so the actual leaderboard looks like

RUDY
ROMNEY
RON
MCCAIN
FRED

or does FRED have more than McCain

RUDY
ROMNEY
FRED
RON
MCCAIN

[kylejack]

Cash on hand minus debt, Fred has 6,443,312.25.

[njandrewg]

where aer you getting "Primary 2008 8,670,774.92" from?

[kylejack]

where aer you getting "Primary 2008 8,670,774.92" from?

That's what he collected in Q3, but he collected money in Q2 as well, and he hadn't reported it yet. His money is all primary money.

[jj111]

The numbers are even worse for Freddy than the picture you paint.

Primary 2008 8,670,774.92
Total Disbursements This Period 5,706,366.67

Net Primary Cash on Hand 2,964,408.25
Debt 678.432.01

Cash On Hand minus debt $2,285,976.24

Where do you get these numbers from?

[Taco John]

This thread is fubar.

[Elwar]

When Ron Paul wins the primary will Fred Thompson be able to transfer his general election funds over to him?

;)

[Johnnybags]

Fred does have the 7 mil - debt so 6 mil+. We are not that far behind folks and we know the grassroots is spending like crazy. I'd say Ron is right up there in the top under Rudy, all things considered. Mitt pays himself so who cares. Awful tuff to beat an NY'ER in the money race but if Texas pride kicks in, watch out.

[reduen]

Csen, are you able to trash this thread? Looks like it is $6,443,312.25 for F. Thompson...:)

[Original_Intent]

No, if you look at the FEC website and look at the "contributions by election" Fred has only raised a total of 8,670,774.92 for the primary. subtract out his expenditures and debt to get his true balance of PRIMARY money. The rest of his Cash on hand is General Election funds and cannot be used unless he wins the nom. In other words, will not be used.

source

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00438507.html

I should have stated Cash On Hand available for primary minus debt $2,285,976.24

[Hurricane Bruiser]

I like "Moby Dick Airways"

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00438507/D_DEBTS_C00438507.html

[kylejack]

No, if you look at the FEC website and look at the "contributions by election" Fred has only raised a total of 8,670,774.92 for the primary. subtract out his expenditures and debt to get his true balance of PRIMARY money. The rest of his Cash on hand is General Election funds and cannot be used unless he wins the nom. In other words, will not be used.

source

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2007/Q3/C00438507.html

I should have stated Cash On Hand available for primary minus debt $2,285,976.24

No. Look at Rudy's numbers and you'll see the difference. The other 4 million for the primary was raised by Fred before Q3, in June.

[ronpaulyourmom]

kyle is correct, Fred had 6 million in the bank on the first.

[cjhowe]

If you add up the contributions by date....it seems ol' Fred only raised

5,593,492.87 from July 1st to September 30th. His report is strange.

The "By Election" theory doesn't make sense because when you add up Rudy's "Donations By Date", you come up with 10 million +and Rudy only claims 8.8 million for the primaries.

FYI...it seems Rudy only raised $4,750 when he came to the Ballpark in Arlington (9/8) that our meetup was doing a sign wave at :) I thought his group sounded quiet.:D

[kylejack]

If you add up the contributions by date....it seems ol' Fred only raised

5,593,492.87 from July 1st to September 30th. His report is strange.

The "By Election" theory doesn't make sense because when you add up Rudy's "Donations By Date", you come up with 10 million +and Rudy only claims 8.8 million for the primaries.

FYI...it seems Rudy only raised $4,750 when he came to the Ballpark in Arlington (9/8) that our meetup was doing a sign wave at :) I thought his group sounded quiet.:D

Itemized contributions are typically only the ones >$200. They don't have to report the smaller ones.