Alvin Greene's first speech

[RileyE104]

YouTube - Alvin Greene's first official speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSJ6P1gS4Ys)

I have to say, I think this guy is fucking hilarious...
He seems like a good guy and also an embarrassment.. but I feel sorry for him at the same time. :)

He does make some good points.. He just doesn't know how to properly expand on his "ideas".

I see since the Democrats wont help him the NAACP has come to his aid.
But I'm glad that he's getting some help now..

[Kotin]

Painful.

[YumYum]

YouTube - Alvin Greene's first official speech (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSJ6P1gS4Ys)

I have to say, I think this guy is fucking hilarious...
He seems like a good guy and also an embarrassment.. but I feel sorry for him at the same time. :)

He does make some good points.. He just doesn't know how to properly expand on his "ideas".

I see since the Democrats wont help him the NAACP has come to his aid.
But I'm glad that he's getting some help now..

So, what do people want? Another sociopath who has the charm of Alec Baldwin and will tickle people's ears? I was "Right on dude! You've got my vote!" I guess there are some people who still love "Slick Willy".

Al Greene represents everything liberty and freedom stands for.

[biles1234]

Nervous Pervis

[Kludge]

"We need better education for our children."

"We need justice in the judicial system."

"Let´s reclaim our country from the terrorists and the Communists. If you´re not registered to vote... register and vote."

Wish I could vote for him.

Mark care to organize a moneybomb for the fellow?

[someperson]

Obviously, I'm not fond of many of his ideas, but, other than the nervous digression about pre-trial interventions, it wasn't a bad speech for someone new to politics. He had the crowd going with all the talk about jobs and education.

[USAFCapt]

As much as I want to support a non-career politician, THAT was rough. The first non-rich guy to have a shot at the Senate and its him?!

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Yumyum, I think what people want is not necessarily the ends of the spectrum. I would wager a guess and most people here would like an intelligent, articulate spokesman for liberty. Not someone with an amateur knowledge and bumbles around, or someone that is slick Rick, with an image inducing vomit and who spews out what people want to hear. While I do feel a little pity for the man because of the spotlight he put himself in, I wouldn't vote for him.

I do hope he does better than people expect though. It's great to put the professional politicians on their heels every now and then.

[michaelwise]

I like Alvin Greene. He'll get into his groove if he is given a chance. If I lived in SC, I'd vote for him.
http://www.alvingreeneforussenator.com/

I spoke to him a few times.
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=249593

[qh4dotcom]

SC is a reliable red state so I doubt any SC Democrat have a chance of beating Jim DeMint

[thehunter]

With all due respect to civility, would we want this candidate reading the laws that will shape the US for the coming six+ years?

[someperson]

With all due respect to civility, would we want this candidate reading the laws that will shape the US for the coming six+ years?
If it gets more individuals to realize what a sham the entire system has become, yyyyeeee...........maybe ;)

[michaelwise]

With all due respect to civility, would we want this candidate reading the laws that will shape the US for the coming six+ years?It is not possible for him to do any worse than those criminals on Capitol Hill have already done.

[BuddyRey]

I support Alvin Greene! :-D

[thehunter]

It is not possible for him to do any worse than those criminals on Capitol Hill have already done.

The laws of probability state that he has a 50/50 chance of voting the right way on any given bill...I'm starting to see your point!:rolleyes:

[YumYum]

Yumyum, I think what people want is not necessarily the ends of the spectrum. I would wager a guess and most people here would like an intelligent, articulate spokesman for liberty. Not someone with an amateur knowledge and bumbles around, or someone that is slick Rick, with an image inducing vomit and who spews out what people want to hear. While I do feel a little pity for the man because of the spotlight he put himself in, I wouldn't vote for him.

I do hope he does better than people expect though. It's great to put the professional politicians on their heels every now and then.

Wait a second. What does this man represent that will destroy our freedoms and liberties? He wants to take the money that is spent on putting people in prison and re-invest it into education. That is a start. That is a plus. AED, I have been bragging you up in the chat room and I will defend you on this forum. You make sense. But why should we judge a man because he is not articulate when he speaks, but may have very serious concerns for his fellow man?

[emazur]

I was just watching CBS Evening News and they reported that Greene apparently won b/c his name was on the top of the ballot.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Wait a second. What does this man represent that will destroy our freedoms and liberties? He wants to take the money that is spent on putting people in prison and re-invest it into education. That is a start. That is a plus. AED, I have been bragging you up in the chat room and I will defend you on this forum. You make sense. But why should we judge a man because he is not articulate when he speaks, but may have very serious concerns for his fellow man?

Well thank you for the compliments, but the point I was trying to make is that with all due respect for Mr. Greene, the ignorant are just as destructive as the intentioned. I want spending to go down...way down. If we are instead going to shuffle the money from the Prison Unions to the just as destructive if not more, teacher unions like SEIU, and the like...well that isn't a real win.

I am a believer in John Holt both homeschooling and unschooling which are vastly more instructive and a better environment for learning than the antiquated centralized authoritarian institution we call public school today. It sounds nice. Public education. What madman, would be against education? I am not against education. I am against indoctrination. This happens both in the public schools and in the Military. Hell, the first week of boot camp is called indoc week in the CG.

I also don't see Alvin actively working to promote the correct direction -- liberty. While he may vote with the libertarian ethos every now and then, I don't get a suspicion that he will move the direction; e.g. that the majority of his votes and his rhetoric will be of a libertarian nature. Given this sentiment it seems a more accurate appraisal of the situation considering everything we have heard Alvin come out and say so far. That said, this is merely another situation of a voting of a lesser evil -- one that has clear authoritarian intentions and one that is merely ignorant of the results of his intentions. Neither is productive.

I mean...out of all the people in the liberty movement who are well versed in the ideology and are articulate spokesman for liberty and freedom..why should we revolve ourselves around this guy? What does he bring that isn't a result of an accident?

Like I said, I wish no ill-will for the man. He is brave for doing this. I just think however well meaning he may be, the saying goes -- the best intentions lead to hell. So, no I will not support Alvin, but I do wish he does better than everyone thinks he will.

[devil21]

I like the guy. I especially like his comment about taking the country back from terrorists and communists. Somehow I don't think he was talking about Muslim terrorists and Russian spies. Sounded like a jab at our government.

[Kregisen]

As much as I'd LOVE to support any regular citizen candidate against a politician.....supporting him is insane. Every interview or speech I've heard from him wasn't even written from him. He has yet to speak from his own viewpoint....he just reads a script.

He's also very vague and only says to spend more money on public education. That's just bigger government. (and then trying to use the race card on a friend for committing a crime also loses respect from me)


We need to support new people going into politics, but seriously.....don't get obsessed to the point that you'd throw a money bomb for Hitler just because he hasn't been in politics before.

[specsaregood]

I was just watching CBS Evening News and they reported that Greene apparently won b/c his name was on the top of the ballot.

That is what they want you to think, there is more to it.
1. people didn't like his opponent; an ex-judge and establishment candidate. He had 15% name recognition and of those, only 4% liked him.
2. his opponent did not have a friendly last name.

Still minor, but not just top of the ballot.

This should be a lesson to all: if you plan on running for office, do like the moviestars do and change your name to something people like/identify with.

[RonPaulFanInGA]

Al Greene represents everything liberty and freedom stands for.

Stupidity and felony?

[t0rnado]

Stupidity and felony?

Showing porn to someone should not be a felony or a crime. Unless he physically forced someone to watch porn, I don't see how anyone who supports Ron Paul can view what he did as criminal.

[james1906]

You can tell his speech had "stop for applause" written numerous times on it.

Greene is a 3 legged dog. Everybody loves him, but nobody wants to adopt him.

[michaelwise]

Well thank you for the compliments, but the point I was trying to make is that with all due respect for Mr. Greene, the ignorant are just as destructive as the intentioned. I want spending to go down...way down. If we are instead going to shuffle the money from the Prison Unions to the just as destructive if not more, teacher unions like SEIU, and the like...well that isn't a real win.

I am a believer in John Holt both homeschooling and unschooling which are vastly more instructive and a better environment for learning than the antiquated centralized authoritarian institution we call public school today. It sounds nice. Public education. What madman, would be against education? I am not against education. I am against indoctrination. This happens both in the public schools and in the Military. Hell, the first week of boot camp is called indoc week in the CG.

I also don't see Alvin actively working to promote the correct direction -- liberty. While he may vote with the libertarian ethos every now and then, I don't get a suspicion that he will move the direction; e.g. that the majority of his votes and his rhetoric will be of a libertarian nature. Given this sentiment it seems a more accurate appraisal of the situation considering everything we have heard Alvin come out and say so far. That said, this is merely another situation of a voting of a lesser evil -- one that has clear authoritarian intentions and one that is merely ignorant of the results of his intentions. Neither is productive.

I mean...out of all the people in the liberty movement who are well versed in the ideology and are articulate spokesman for liberty and freedom..why should we revolve ourselves around this guy? What does he bring that isn't a result of an accident?

Like I said, I wish no ill-will for the man. He is brave for doing this. I just think however well meaning he may be, the saying goes -- the best intentions lead to hell. So, no I will not support Alvin, but I do wish he does better than everyone thinks he will.People are not going to learn their lesson unless they are punished properly, proportionally to the crime. I believe the establishment has this coming.

[michaelwise]

I like the guy. I especially like his comment about taking the country back from terrorists and communists. Somehow I don't think he was talking about Muslim terrorists and Russian spies. Sounded like a jab at our government.I got that too, first time I saw it.

[michaelwise]

As much as I'd LOVE to support any regular citizen candidate against a politician.....supporting him is insane. Every interview or speech I've heard from him wasn't even written from him. He has yet to speak from his own viewpoint....he just reads a script.

He's also very vague and only says to spend more money on public education. That's just bigger government. (and then trying to use the race card on a friend for committing a crime also loses respect from me)


We need to support new people going into politics, but seriously.....don't get obsessed to the point that you'd throw a money bomb for Hitler just because he hasn't been in politics before.I think that's what the establishment wants us to think. The establishment preserving the establishment. It's great seeing the awakened people seeing the correct side. Change the establishment no matter what the consequences. Maybe this is one of the guys who would actually listen to the people, all of the people, before making decisions?

[BamaFanNKy]

<---------------------------- Bought 6 Alvin Greene for Senate pins. Granted I collect pins.

[michaelwise]

No matter what happens, this guy is going to shake up the establishment.

This guy saved his own unemployment checks so he could get on the ballot.

This is the best thing about Alvin Greene.

[YumYum]

Man, we have an opportunity of a life-time. This guy is black. He is moderate in his views. He is for the little guy; He wants to help his fellow citizens of South Carolina. He is not a sociopath. He is not a narcissistic megalomaniac. This dude is real, and we should all support a real candidate. Ron Paul supporters should support him, and prove to the world that we aren't racist. Damn!!!

[YumYum]

No matter what happens, this guy is going to shake up the establishment.

This guy saved his own unemployment checks so he could get on the ballot.

This is the best thing about Alvin Greene.

Why would you say that? That is a hateful comment. He took his own savings from serving in the military to get on the ballot.

[michaelwise]

Man, we have an opportunity of a life-time. This guy is black. He is moderate in his views. He is for the little guy; He wants to help his fellow citizens of South Carolina. He is not a sociopath. He is not a narcissistic megalomaniac. This dude is real, and we should all support a real candidate. Ron Paul supporters should support him, and prove to the world that we aren't racist. Damn!!!On so many more levels irrespective of race, should we support this guy. I knew it from the first video I saw of him.

[TheConstitutionLives]

Obviously, I'm not fond of many of his ideas, but, other than the nervous digression about pre-trial interventions, it wasn't a bad speech for someone new to politics. He had the crowd going with all the talk about jobs and education.

He had the crowd going? What? They were clapping out of charity. Like a parent clapping for their 6 year old in a tee-ball game.

[TheConstitutionLives]

On so many more levels irrespective of race, should we support this guy. I knew it from the first video I saw of him.

Ya'll are off your rockers! :eek:

[michaelwise]

Ya'll are off your rockers! :eek:Yes, we know.

[libertybrewcity]

Did he have a chance anyways? Maybe if he was running against Graham but 2010 will be a red year in a red state.

[someperson]

He had the crowd going? What? They were clapping out of charity. Like a parent clapping for their 6 year old in a tee-ball game.
For a few moments around 4:00, as he went into the good old, tried and tested, partisan cliches about education, et al., I felt he did have them going. Perhaps, I simply misread the audience at that point, and you're right. Obviously, by the end, you could sense that he lost the audience, but I felt like being generous with my comment ;)

He obviously won't win, but if he can further destroy the confidence that those individuals have in the electoral process, why be critical lol

[TheConstitutionLives]

For a few moments around 4:00, as he went into the good old, tried and tested, partisan cliches about education, et al., I felt he did have them going. Perhaps, I simply misread the audience at that point, and you're right. Obviously, by the end, you could sense that he lost the audience, but I felt like being generous with my comment ;)

He obviously won't win, but if he can further destroy the confidence that those individuals have in the electoral process, why be critical lol


The only logical reason I can think of as to why he should be elected is the reason someone above already stated which is we could hardly do any worse. Other than that the guy hasn't yet shown himself to be anything but a moron. He may be a nice guy. I don't know. My grandma was a nice person who wouldn't have been any worse than what we already have either but does that mean I think she should hold office? eh........no

[JeNNiF00F00]

>:)

[someperson]

The only logical reason I can think of as to why he should be elected is the reason someone above already stated which is we could hardly do any worse. Other than that the guy hasn't yet shown himself to be anything but a moron. He may be a nice guy. I don't know. My grandma was a nice person who wouldn't have been any worse than what we already have either but does that mean I think she should hold office? eh........no
I wouldn't vote for him if I was residing in that state, as he doesn't promote any of the ideas that I believe in, such as foreign and domestic non-interventionism. Even if someone here "converted" him and he did, suddenly, begin to promote those ideas, he wouldn't, yet, have the comprehensive understanding necessary to defend those ideas, and that's far more important.

I will only support candidates who promote and understand specific ideas, and by support, I mean support their promotion of the ideas. I try to remain apathetic to the candidates, as individuals, but nobody's perfect :)

[Paulitical Correctness]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/131/319047856_dbf1ef3e92.jpg

[michaelwise]

I wrote to Mr. Greene on his web site with support and advice. I would like him to hire me to be one of his advisors and perhaps as a staff member when he takes office.

http://www.alvingreeneforussenator.com/

[haaaylee]

I wrote to Mr. Greene on his web site with support and advice. I would like him to hire me to be one of his advisors and perhaps as a staff member when he takes office.

http://www.alvingreeneforussenator.com/


I don't think his unemployment will cover that.

[michaelwise]

I don't think his unemployment will cover that.LOL. His claim to DNC funding will.

[NewFederalist]

I prefer him to Lindsay Graham. Greene in 2012!

[keh10]

Lol his speech sounded like a 5th grade social studies report.

[AuH20]

I think that's what the establishment wants us to think. The establishment preserving the establishment. It's great seeing the awakened people seeing the correct side. Change the establishment no matter what the consequences. Maybe this is one of the guys who would actually listen to the people, all of the people, before making decisions?

You think so? :D Within 5 minutes, the lobbyists would be using this guy as their ventriloquist dummy. Break out the checkbook and Alvin Greene will be doing and saying anything you ask. He's already a slave to the unemployment system, so he certainly has a low price.

[Aratus]

AuH2O has a point... even though the guy's father is somebody in S.C's Democratic Party.
he was in the military and that says greatly or obliquely much. sometimes folks have a
'mister smith goes to washington' epiphany. they may decide to decry the system...