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YumYum
07-18-2010, 09:14 AM
I found this on another web site and I was wondering if this poster's argument still holds water.


: "Yes, If you check yes for voter registration on your Drivers licenses.

Whichever candidate finally wins and goes on to become our next President, he will have been put over the top by the votes of non-citizens -- including illegal aliens -- voting in mass numbers.

How could this be possible? Blame the National Voter Registration Act, commonly known as the Motor Voter law, which was signed into law on May 20, 1993 after passage by the slimmest of margins. Under this federal law, conceivably, millions of non-citizens and illegal aliens were automatically registered to vote when they applied for their driver's licenses or welfare benefits.

The Motor-Voter clearly states that "[e]ach State motor vehicle driver's license application (including any renewal application) submitted to the appropriate State motor vehicle authority under State law shall serve as an application for voter registration with respect to elections for Federal office unless the applicant fails to sign the voter registration application."

The Clinton Administration applied their famous "don't ask -- don't tell" strategy to the Motor Voter law's implementation by warning Motor Vehicle Department employees not to ask if an applicant is a citizen or tell them that non-citizens cannot vote.

Under the Motor Voter law, anyone [Motor Vehicle Department employees included] who "knowingly and willfully intimidates, threatens, or coerces, or attempts to intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any person for registering to vote, or voting, or attempting to register or vote" violates federal law.

Hence, the hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens, visa over-stayers and others classified as "refugees" who were granted amnesty or asylum by the Clinton Administration could all have been illegal voters in this election.

How many ineligible voters actually took advantage of the Motor Voter law by registering to vote? In Florida, according to the Florida Secretary of State's numbers, between 1994 and 1998 (the most recent data available), the number of registered Hispanic voters skyrocketed by an astonishing 557%, from 99,000 to 655,000 while the number of White and Black registered voters increased by a reasonable 15 %.

The number of registered Hispanic voters has grown even more dramatically in south Florida. For example, in Dade County, from 1994 to 1998 the number of Hispanic voters grew by 1996%, a nearly 20-fold increase! And in now-famous Palm Beach County, the four year increase was completely off the charts, a 7,220% jump!

While Florida's numerous attractions and climate may have attracted new residents from other states, most would concede that this unbelievable spike in new voters must come mainly from one source -- new immigrants.

Certainly, there were resident aliens who applied for and were granted citizenship and, as a consequence were lawful voters in the 2000 election. Citizenship USA, the Clinton-Gore administration's high-priority immigration program achieved its goal of adding a million new immigrants to the voter rolls nationwide by 1996, waiving citizenship requirements wholesale to sign up as many voters as possible before the 1996 election.

But there were tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of ineligible voters who went to the polls and canceled out the votes of American citizens of all colors, races and creeds, men and women, including veterans who served with honor defending our system of Democracy.

How is it possible that the nation is in a frenzy over a handful of flawed ballots in Palm Beach but remains mute to the usurpation of America's most cherished possession -- the right to vote, by hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens and resident aliens?

In the 106th Congress, Rep. Bob Stump introduced legislation to repeal the Motor Voter law. This would be an excellent way to stop the process of registering non-citizens to vote. In the 105th Congress, Rep. Steve Horn introduced the Voter Eligibility Verification Act which would allow states to access a national database to reduce the incidence of non-citizens voting in U.S. elections. Unless American citizens don't mind the fact that their votes are being canceled out by non-citizens, they should contact their Representative and Senators, demanding the immediate passage of both of these bills."


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puppetmaster
07-18-2010, 09:20 AM
my girlfriend is a resident alien...she cannot vote

now we could have huge discussion about women and voting.....nahhhhhh

YumYum
07-18-2010, 10:03 AM
my girlfriend is a resident alien...she cannot vote

now we could have huge discussion about women and voting.....nahhhhhh

Did she state when applying for her drivers license that she wanted to register to vote? H.R. 1428 didn't pass.

H.R.1428
Title: Voter Eligibility Verification Act
Sponsor: Rep Horn, Stephen [CA-38] (introduced 4/24/1997) Cosponsors (27)
Latest Major Action: 2/12/1998 Failed of passage/not agreed to in House. Status: On motion to suspend the rules and pass the bill, as amended Failed by the Yeas and Nays: (2/3 required): 210 - 200 (Roll no. 17).

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d105:h.r.01428:

AlexMerced
07-18-2010, 10:39 AM
Well, my mom just became a citizen, congrats to her, so she can now vote! SHe was a huge RP supporter and helped organize voters such before, now she can actually vote, woot woot!

romacox
07-18-2010, 11:25 AM
In 2005 3% of those showing up for voter registration were found to be illegal aliens, which means they were registered to vote.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2008/07/The-Threat-of-Non-Citizen-Voting

According to Judge Napolitano the way the Fed stripped the states of their rights was to offer them money for doing what the fed wanted them to do. Eventually the States became dependent on that welfare, and lost their ability to say no to the Fed.
The IMF and WTO are using the same tactic to take away the sovereignty of Countries. The Leader of the SEIU, speaking in South America, promised "Free Health care for everyone"
Politicians say to illegal aliens: "you do not need papers to vote", and organizations like ACORN and the SEIU show them how to do just that. So they are promised money (free health care/ welfare) to come here to elect the political leaders who will do this for them.
Countries who do as they are told are given money disguised in code words like "the war on drugs", or bail outs if they promise to do as the IMF wants them to do.
Countries that do not do as they are told, get bombed.


That is the way the "One World Governing Power" works. They disguise their agenda under nice sounding words like amnesty, free trade, globalization, bailouts, ext.

demolama
07-18-2010, 12:07 PM
It is up to the state to determine who is eligible to vote.

Stories of immigrants from Ireland getting off the boat and voting in the 19th century are numerous and just an example of things that have always been apart of the U.S voting system.

cindy25
07-18-2010, 08:32 PM
back in the 1870s aliens were allowed to vote

Brian4Liberty
07-18-2010, 08:41 PM
The rules and reality are two different things. Is it easy to register to vote? Yes. Will you get caught if you are a non-citizen? Probably not.

Zippyjuan
07-19-2010, 08:49 PM
In 2005 3% of those showing up for voter registration were found to be illegal aliens, which means they were registered to vote.
http://www.heritage.org/Research/Reports/2008/07/The-Threat-of-Non-Citizen-Voting

According to Judge Napolitano the way the Fed stripped the states of their rights was to offer them money for doing what the fed wanted them to do. Eventually the States became dependent on that welfare, and lost their ability to say no to the Fed.
The IMF and WTO are using the same tactic to take away the sovereignty of Countries. The Leader of the SEIU, speaking in South America, promised "Free Health care for everyone"
Politicians say to illegal aliens: "you do not need papers to vote", and organizations like ACORN and the SEIU show them how to do just that. So they are promised money (free health care/ welfare) to come here to elect the political leaders who will do this for them.
Countries who do as they are told are given money disguised in code words like "the war on drugs", or bail outs if they promise to do as the IMF wants them to do.
Countries that do not do as they are told, get bombed.


That is the way the "One World Governing Power" works. They disguise their agenda under nice sounding words like amnesty, free trade, globalization, bailouts, ext.

If those numbers applied in the 2008 election, how many would that be? There were reportedly 132 million people who voted in that election. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html
Three percent would be 3.96 million illegal aliens voting- out of a total estimated illegal alien population (not just of voting age) of about 12 million at that time (that is since down about two million) or about one in three. Total US population being about 300 million that would mean that illegals voted about as often as US citizens. I think that the Heritage number is way too high. It should be noted that Heritage does NOT say "Illegal aliens" are voting- only non- citizens showing up for jury duty which includes people in the country legally. Even this group is not shown whether or not they also vote although the article assumes that they do. If you are in the country illegally, you are not likely going to register with the government for things since your status may be discovered and you get deported.

Exact numbers are impossible. You would have to double check the citizenship status of every voter in the country. Some states have tougher voter verification rules than others. The conservative publication the Washington Times wrote that illegal alien voting does occur but in small numbers:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/sep/23/20040923-104542-8488r/

Nationally, immigration experts said it is likely that illegal immigrants vote, but that only a small percentage does so.

"Evidence suggests very few illegal aliens vote, but it's certainly not zero," said Steven Camarota, director of research at the D.C.-based Center for Immigration Studies. "Illegal aliens don't come to America to vote, and would generally try to avoid doing so."