Anyone else here annoyed by the neocon supporters here?

[Depressed Liberator]

We all know who they are. They defend and actually support idiots like Newt, Romney, Palin, etc., and then try to claim they're liberty loving people. Yeah right.

[low preference guy]

Anyone else annoyed by "Depressed Liberator" and his Depressing and lame posts?

[specsaregood]

"Anyone else here annoyed by the neocon supporters here? "

Not really, no. Only you can allow yourself to be annoyed.

[erowe1]

Nope. I may argue with them, but I welcome them here, and I hope they change their minds and then help change other neocons minds. I wonder how many of us went through a process pretty similar to the one they're going through.

[Son of Detroit]

I'm sick of them as well as the socialist-sympathizers who defend/like people such as Alan Grayson, Dennis Kucinich, and Jesse Ventura.

More so the latter group, because I was once a neo-con too. I know where they're coming from.

[Anti Federalist]

I know there are some Palin folks here.

Hell, her name was being floated around as a possible running mate to RP back 2007/08.

But I haven't seen anybody here who is a big fan of Mittens or Newtles.

[FrankRep]

We all know who they are. They defend and actually support idiots like Newt, Romney, Palin, etc., and then try to claim they're liberty loving people. Yeah right.
Who supports Newt Gingrich?

[TNforPaul45]

Who supports Newt Gingrich?

9 out of 10 Newt Gingriches fully support Newt Gingrich for 2012

[YumYum]

We all know who they are. They defend and actually support idiots like Newt, Romney, Palin, etc., and then try to claim they're liberty loving people. Yeah right.

I can't figure it out. I am a member of C4L, and we have neocons at our meetings. The neocons freaked out when we showed up at the Republican meeting and almost took control. The neocons have ripped off parts of Ron Paul's message and left out other parts. That is not a true liberty supporter.

[Anti Federalist]

9 out of 10 Newt Gingriches fully support Newt Gingrich for 2012

"She turned me into a Newt."

"Well...I got better."

:D

YouTube - Monty Python She's A Witch! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpMjakNhZTc)

[TNforPaul45]

"She turned me into a Newt."

"Well...I got better."

:D

YouTube - Monty Python She's A Witch! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpMjakNhZTc)

(hahahah love that movie)

[silus]

I'm sick of them as well as the socialist-sympathizers who defend/like people such as Alan Grayson, Dennis Kucinich, and Jesse Ventura.
Your post makes no sense whatsoever. You just make vague references at "defense," as if you're not allowed to agree with anyone who doesn't subscribe 100% to your beliefs. The fact is that when you're on the outside looking in, your allies tend to take on many different forms, and its a fruitless effort to attack these types who can bear nothing as it relates to your goals. Ironically the biggest socialist sympathizer, according to your standards, is Ron Paul.

But then again, Ron Paul doesn't attack people he attacks ideas, which is why he could "sympathize" with those people you named without compromising his own values. You, on the other hand, are completely unwilling to accept overlap between people simply because of who they are.

[james1906]

Your post makes no sense whatsoever. You just make vague references at "defense," as if you're not allowed to agree with anyone who doesn't subscribe 100% to your beliefs. The fact is that when you're on the outside looking in, your allies tend to take on many different forms, and its a fruitless effort to attack these types who can bear nothing as it relates to your goals. Ironically the biggest socialist sympathizer, according to your standards, is Ron Paul.

+1

Kucinich gets it right sometimes, Bachmann gets it right sometimes.

[Depressed Liberator]

I saw some Newt defenders in that thread where he lead.

[low preference guy]

I saw some Newt defenders in that thread where he lead.

That's different for "we all know who they are". I don't know. Do you have some names? I can recall one guy who was confused about Newt, but someone else quickly cleared it up for him.

[paulpwns]

We are all spoiled by RP. The man is basically a 98% perfect politican and has the voting record to back it up.

It's like comparing a cubic zirconium to a real diamond. Sure it's really pretty but we all know its a fake.

[james1906]

We are all spoiled by RP. The man is basically a 98% perfect politican and has the voting record to back it up.

It's like comparing a cubic zirconium to a real diamond. Sure it's really pretty but we all know its a fake.

Yes, but Newt is a piece of broken glass glued to tin foil.

[libertybrewcity]

haven't really noticed. i just try to ignore that stuff i guess..

[Cap]

Fu**ing neocons.

[libertarian4321]

I know there are some Palin folks here.

Hell, her name was being floated around as a possible running mate to RP back 2007/08.


I'm pretty sure that was before any of us knew anything about her or (more importantly) heard her speak.

[YumYum]

I'm pretty sure that was before any of us knew anything about her or (more importantly) heard her speak.

I remember when John McCain first announced her as his running mate I went back to find out more about her and she claimed to like Ron Paul and she was for smaller government. I thought that was really kool until she started spewing her love for the wars.

And, as the judge pointed out, the big difference between Sarah Palin and Ron Paul is on foreign policy. In fact, currently the big difference between the neocons and Ron Paul is on foreign policy. If Sarah Palin would stop the war rhetoric she would appear to be more of a Libertarian than a neocon and would have my support.

[TroySmith]

We all know who they are. They defend and actually support idiots like Newt, Romney, Palin, etc., and then try to claim they're liberty loving people. Yeah right.

The key always has to be two-fold. One to plant seeds of liberty and the other to constantly challenge yourself with your people's viewpoints to constantly refine your own thoughts. While it can be tough not to get annoyed sometimes, it's usually the LEAST productive thing you can do.

[ChaosControl]

No, but then I don't think everyone has to have exactly the same views and match up with mine 100%. But then maybe I realize this because I don't match up 100% of the views here either. :|

[ronpaulhawaii]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_bmkqSJDYKz4/SbPQ8I9mRlI/AAAAAAAAAO8/g1e6NM6fudk/s320/wrong.bmp

I'm stoked that we are attracting such a wide variety of posters. A large swath of liberty activists self identify as former neo-cons and socialists. Truly a "Big Tent for Small Government"

Preaching to the choir is easy, but how much does it help us grow? How much does it help us hone our arguments for in person encounters?

Embrace the challenge.

[IPSecure]

IMHO:

The 'government economy' is run by war. Look at the number of contractors / sub-contractors who rake in millions throughout the economy. Many of the delegates in the republicon party are business owners, working for the war machine. I remember one in particular, making fun of Ron Paul delegates introducing logical resolutions. He lives in our district but owns a company supporting the war machine - many counties away. (I wonder just how prevalent this is nationwide...)

The religious faction of all hail to Israel is mind boggling. I've seen many church tourist videos, where the guide / hosts of Israel are ridiculing the 'believers'... We must support that country at all costs? The love that country throughout the different churches as well as the propaganda paid MSM is insane. Just how many senators and congress critters have the dual flag pins, like Palin? What about supporting our country? So we are to support a country that does not believe what most Americans believe, with money, weapons, and lives?

This is where I really get ticked off... How many of our soldiers are either killed, or have been shot up, mangled for life, for wars based upon lies. How many lives would have been saved if Dr. Paul would have been elected? If we actually supported our troops, we would not send them to be killed for lies, or opium, minerals, or oil... The rotted dinosaur theory of oil is yet another product of our education system and MSM brainwashing...

The neocons have tried to assume control of the Tea Parties, just like any other group of patriots. Rick Perry was a target of the early tea parties. Now with the help from the bought and paid for MSM, spinning the tale of republicons are now the tea party... Gingrich who has unlimited fund raising with his 527 group is yet another item of concern... What will stop the federal reserve from unlimited fiat currency gifts, continuing support for their people? I might as well mention Dick Armey and his freedom something or other, remember - the guy who created the department of homeland security... While we are awaiting the next false flag event, the Revolution is being infiltrated on all fronts...

Maybe someday I'll give my opinion that is not so humble...

[Acala]

In terms of shear numbers awakened and also in depth of understanding disseminated, Ron Paul is the greatest educator the cause of human liberty has ever had. Think about that for a moment.

Now think about the fact that Ron Paul has spent thirty years totally surrounded in, and thwarted by, socialists, war mongers, corruption, and incompetence. And he never tires of being the educator.

We are his graduate assistants. We multiply his efforts - as long as we continue to educate ourselves and anyone who is interested.

And because there are MANY people who just drop in to lurk here, it is important to continue to make reasoned, skillful, and polite rebuttals to the neocon, socialist, and racist trolls that come by.

Carry on Patriots!

[Koz]

We all know who they are. They defend and actually support idiots like Newt, Romney, Palin, etc., and then try to claim they're liberty loving people. Yeah right.

I don't know who they are, who are they??

[robert68]

If Sarah Palin would stop the war rhetoric she would appear to be more of a Libertarian than a neocon and would have my support.

Talk is for show when one is seeking power. Palin has a record: "Palin: Uninspiring Tax Policy Record" (http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2008/08/29/palin-uninspiring-tax-policy-record/). Increasing taxes isn't libertarian.

[osan]

We all know who they are. They defend and actually support idiots like Newt, Romney, Palin, etc., and then try to claim they're liberty loving people. Yeah right.

What is the point of your question?

[Son of Detroit]

Your post makes no sense whatsoever. You just make vague references at "defense," as if you're not allowed to agree with anyone who doesn't subscribe 100% to your beliefs. The fact is that when you're on the outside looking in, your allies tend to take on many different forms, and its a fruitless effort to attack these types who can bear nothing as it relates to your goals. Ironically the biggest socialist sympathizer, according to your standards, is Ron Paul.

But then again, Ron Paul doesn't attack people he attacks ideas, which is why he could "sympathize" with those people you named without compromising his own values. You, on the other hand, are completely unwilling to accept overlap between people simply because of who they are.


It's not the things they say that irk me... I like healthy debate. It's when I see posts trying to set up a moneybomb to Grayson or Kucinich because they agreed with us on some issue. That money could be rather sent to a liberty candidate who actually cares about the Constitution in all cases, rather than in just their pet issues.

[Liberty Star]

Not annoyed but intrigued that a libertarian forum associated with RP now has quite a few groomed neocon/foreign interventions/pre-emptive wars supporters around dressed as "libertarians".

[John Taylor]

Not annoyed but intrigued that a libertarian forum associated with RP now has quite a few groomed neocon/foreign interventions/pre-emptive wars supporters around dressed as "libertarians".

Who are the people on here supporting neo-conservatism, pre-emptive war, and U.S. government interventionism abroad?

[Liberty Star]

Who are the people on here supporting neo-conservatism, pre-emptive war, and U.S. government interventionism abroad?


If you want names called out, that won't be a very libertarian or polite thing to do, everyone should have the freedom to express their views on a libertarian forum and it makes good debate often.

But if you want to quantify and find out, start a poll seeking opinion on who all support US pre-emptive attack on Iraq, Iran,Israel to take out their WMD programs, tax payers funding of Israeli occupation of arab land and you should get some idea.

[John Taylor]

If you want names called out, that won't be a very libertarian or polite thing to do, everyone should have the freedom to express their views on a libertarian forum and it makes good debate often.

But if you want to quantify and find out, start a poll seeking opinion on who all support US pre-emptive attack on Iraq, Iran,Israel to take out their WMD programs, tax payers funding of Israeli occupation of arab land and you should get some idea.

Israeli "occupation" of Arab land? Where is that happening? Sounds like you have an agenda here.

Very well though, I'll see how many people on here support interventionism and neo-conservatism by creating a poll. I don't think you'll find many people on there who profess to support neo-conservatism or intervention abroad, with the exception of the many on these threads who favor foreign intervention against Israel.

[LibertyEagle]

I can't figure it out. I am a member of C4L, and we have neocons at our meetings. The neocons freaked out when we showed up at the Republican meeting and almost took control. The neocons have ripped off parts of Ron Paul's message and left out other parts. That is not a true liberty supporter.

Ron does not own liberty. It's good if others embrace any aspect of the message. This is something to celebrate, not to bemoan.

[LibertyEagle]

If you want names called out, that won't be a very libertarian or polite thing to do, everyone should have the freedom to express their views on a libertarian forum and it makes good debate often.

But if you want to quantify and find out, start a poll seeking opinion on who all support US pre-emptive attack on Iraq, Iran,Israel to take out their WMD programs, tax payers funding of Israeli occupation of arab land and you should get some idea.

That's news to me. Last I knew, this forum wasn't limited to libertarians, conservatives, or anyone else. No "group" has a corner on liberty. :)

[Stary Hickory]

I see more latent progressive or government types than pro palin neocons. There are some I guess, but they tend to stick out. For some people there is only one issue and that is the wars, after that they could give a krap about anything else. That annoys me, because equally important is not being enslaved and letting government take our right to take care of our bodies and run our own lives.

Right now I have no patience of anything progressive because of how tyrannical this current liberal administration has behaved. I am disgusted with it, and in order to get back my right to HC and to even get some semblance of a fsically normal government progressives have to go.

I did not even vote last election because I was so fed up with what the GOP was doing, starting wars, spending money, and destroying our country. But I never dreamed Obama would be so bad, or that the left had become so radically opposed to the fundamental values of the country.

If something is not done right now about what the progressive agenda is doing we might as well stop talking about freedom altogether, if they are allowed to grow the dependency status of Americans any more there will be no use in seeking freedom through Democratic elections. Wars will start and you will have nothing to say about it. That is why my first priority is to weaken government, with that comes more power to the citizenry. That is the only way to reign in interventionism.

And just for the record I have never voted for a GOP in my life, generally I tend not to care or did. However I always leaned towards mind your own business leave me alone and lets not get mixed up in foreign entanglements.

[Stary Hickory]

It's not the things they say that irk me... I like healthy debate. It's when I see posts trying to set up a moneybomb to Grayson or Kucinich because they agreed with us on some issue. That money could be rather sent to a liberty candidate who actually cares about the Constitution in all cases, rather than in just their pet issues.

Kucinich and Grayson helped push that HC bill through....so I would urinate on them before ever work with them. Kucinich is a socialist....which is a violent form of governing.

I never saw the difference between waging war on Americans using government and waging war on foreigners using government. Kucinich does not get a pass as being a "dove" when he is prepared to put a cap in my head just for taking care of my body in a manner I see fit. Or god knows what else with that guy, there is not one area of my life that he thinks he does not have a right to FORCEFULLY alter.

And his support for ending the FED....well he just wants the government to control it....he is not looking out for anyone. There is no difference between the government devaluing the currency and the FED doing it.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Nope. I may argue with them, but I welcome them here, and I hope they change their minds and then help change other neocons minds. I wonder how many of us went through a process pretty similar to the one they're going through.

A party is never pure in thought unless you are a European. In other words, in order for a party to be one of the two major ones, it has to compromise its many varying positions. The two party system in the United States originally developed to interpret and sway constitutionality as the Supreme Court did not originally do this. So, our nation is moderate by nature.
What is eating up the Republican / conservative party aren't the socalled neocons, but the failure of their people to compromise, unify, and focus many views, propagandas, and cults into a single party voice.

[anaconda]

I don't sense much support for neocon-ism here, as a percentage of posts.

I myself had spent many weeks in the wilderness contemplating whether Palin could actually be a libertarian soccer mom with all the best intentions. It did not make me a neocon. I now am pretty confident that she is an agent of the GOP party elite, and her mission is to herd back the socially conservative tea partiers to vote for the establishment candidate.

Yet I remain hopeful (in some small way) that she may break out into the open field at some point and support the Ron Paul platform. Her speaking blunders and lack of knowledge remain a concern.

[Stary Hickory]

I don't sense much support for neocon-ism here, as a percentage of posts.

I myself had spent many weeks in the wilderness contemplating whether Palin could actually be a libertarian soccer mom with all the best intentions. It did not make me a neocon. I now am pretty confident that she is an agent of the GOP party elite, and her mission is to herd back the socially conservative tea partiers to vote for the establishment candidate.

Yet I remain hopeful (in some small way) that she may break out into the open field at some point and support the Ron Paul platform. Her speaking blunders and lack of knowledge remain a concern.

Palin is just plain ignorant more than anything else. I would like to see her come around for nothing more than to pull supporters back to an honest cause. I thought she might be a decent leader at one point until I heard her speak over a period of time. She will talk about following the constituion but disagree with Ron Paul on "issues"...you cant say both of those things at the same time.

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I don't sense much support for neocon-ism here, as a percentage of posts.

I myself had spent many weeks in the wilderness contemplating whether Palin could actually be a libertarian soccer mom with all the best intentions. It did not make me a neocon. I now am pretty confident that she is an agent of the GOP party elite, and her mission is to herd back the socially conservative tea partiers to vote for the establishment candidate.

Yet I remain hopeful (in some small way) that she may break out into the open field at some point and support the Ron Paul platform. Her speaking blunders and lack of knowledge remain a concern.

If you would just take a second to read my post above, then you would realize how the Republican party loses because they are just a little more ignorant as to how the American system works. There exists no such thing as a party pure in thought. That purity in our American system is something already declared self evident as it reduces unalienably to every human soul, conscience, or, what many a romantic likes to refer to as, the heart to become bipartisanly American.

[Agorism]

Randy Scheunemann ran a Project for a New American Centure and was assigned to "teach" Sarah Palin foreign policy. Scheunemann now runs Bill Kristol's new group ECI.

YouTube - Who is Randy Scheunemann? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLHRVPFw0-Y&feature=related)