The California Revolution of 2010

[Jamsie 567]

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[0zzy]

Guess who I'm voting for?

Hint: It's not Nightingale.

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[Reason]

never heard of nightingale...

[silentshout]

Who is she? I have no idea who to vote for as I won't vote for Whitman or Brown.

[RideTheDirt]

Guess who I'm voting for?

Hint: It's not Nightingale.
Ron Paul?:confused:

[tremendoustie]

She seems pretty solid to me. The only listed issue I disagree with her on is "illegal" immigration -- and even on that, her #1 solution is to end benefits to them, which I absolutely support.

If I may ask, what do you object to Ozzy?

[LibertyWorker]

When you are the participant in the fraud. You only give it credibility.

More politics and more government are not the solution to getting more freedom.

[Southron]

When you are the participant in the fraud. You only give it credibility.

More politics and more government are not the solution to getting more freedom.

:mad:

Why do you trade practical liberty for theoretical liberty?

[tremendoustie]

When you are the participant in the fraud. You only give it credibility.


The credibility of the government does not depend on voter turnout. They'll just assume people are apathetic, or happy with the status quo, if they don't show up.

Voting for liberty undermines the credibility of tyranny.

Heck, upwards of 60% don't show up now. If those 60% voted for reducing and eliminating the central state, or secession, we'd have liberty already.



More politics and more government are not the solution to getting more freedom.

That's like saying more gunfights are not the solution to getting more peace, so you shouldn't defend yourself when a serial killer breaks into your house.

Voting for liberty means less government, not more. Yes, the political game is stupid, and popular support does not justify the immoral behaviors of politicians. But, if I can stop or slow down the tyrants by winning at their stupid game, and educate people to boot, I should do so.

Heck, if the tyrants would stop if I beat them at tiddlywinks, I'd do that too.

NH political liberty activists recently got all blades legalized, for example. That has a very real impact -- some poor innocent guy with a knife, who gets pulled over, will now not be locked in a cage over it. If they can get pot decriminalized, there will be an even bigger impact.

I agree with and support outside the system activism too, but to assert that political liberty activism can not have positive results is simply to ignore reams of evidence. Ron Paul, for example, has probably brought more people to the ideas of liberty than any man in the last 20 years.

[Brian4Liberty]

Who is she? I have no idea who to vote for as I won't vote for Whitman or Brown.

Chelene would be your best choice then.

[Brian4Liberty]

From her website:


About Chelene

Chelene Nightingale is no stranger to politics. For the past 5 years, Chelene has been a leading Constitutional activist organizing many rallies and marches in California. Chelene organized the "Free the Texas Three" march for Deputy Gilmer Hernandez and Border Patrol Agents Ramos & Compean in Hollywood. The march was featured on the nationally syndicated show "America's Most Wanted."

In addition to organizing political events, Chelene has lobbied as a private citizen in both Sacramento and Washington DC, demanding secure borders and no amnesty. Besides the border security issue, Ms. Nightingale has attended and spoken at Tea Parties and End the Fed events.

Back in 2006, she was the campaign manager for third party gubernatorial candidate, Art Olivier. During the campaign, they were invited to the late, great Aaron Russo's home to receive his endorsement and watch his extraordinary documentary "America: Freedom to Fascism".

During the last presidential election cycle, Chelene was honored with an invitation to personally meet and endorse Congressman Ron Paul.

It was due to her past political achievements that the National Constitution Party leaders and members requested her to run for governor in California as an American Independent. This daughter of a Military War Veteran accepted the challenge in order to help restore our ailing state that has been hurt by special interest groups and big government.

Ms. Nightingale, who has won past awards and achievements including being listed In "Who's Who", is no stranger to leadership roles. Besides being the managing director of a former 501c3, she has also served as a Vice President for a distribution/production company and has been a small business owner. She has put her acting and stage-directing career on hold to help "we the people" take back our state so that we can govern ourselves the way our Founding Fathers intended.

[teacherone]

Guess who I'm voting for?

Hint: It's not Nightingale.

is it this guy?

http://www.usactuary.com/ogden10/index_files/image039.jpg


Dale Ogden
Libertarian
for Governor of California
Vote for the “Liberator”

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[libertybrewcity]

she'll get my vote but she is running against the dem machine and the republican machine in CALIFORNIA! She has no chance, sorry for the negativity. Just being honest.

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[libertybrewcity]

They said them same thing to me about November 5th when it was released guess what? We made US Presidential history for a 3rd party candidate RON PAUL!

Ron Paul didn't run as a third party candidate. I am usually quite positive. I am helping the Dennis campaign take on Pelosi in CA-8 which is a up-mountain battle, but this race does not have much chance. Chelene is running against two machines. One Machine is willing to spend something like 40 million dollars and the other has the unions and big gov orgs, as well as the loyal dem vote that rarely fails.

I'm just saying. I am a voter in California but this is a waste of resources IMO.

[michaelwise]

I really like Chelene Nightingale.

[speciallyblend]

Ron Paul didn't run as a third party candidate. I am usually quite positive. I am helping the Dennis campaign take on Pelosi in CA-8 which is a up-mountain battle, but this race does not have much chance. Chelene is running against two machines. One Machine is willing to spend something like 40 million dollars and the other has the unions and big gov orgs, as well as the loyal dem vote that rarely fails.

I'm just saying. I am a voter in California but this is a waste of resources IMO.

wasting resources would be voting for the dem or republican for governor!! the best thing to do is vote for anyone but the republican or dem!!

[paulitics]

Guess who I'm voting for?

Hint: It's not Nightingale.


Meg Whitman.

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[speciallyblend]

I already have the idea that is worth 40 million in media advertising so I guess we do have a chance after all. Were you with us when November 5th happened? That makes a big difference if you know the power of our movement.

Your right no he did not run as a third party candidate but he was portrayed by the media as one. Do you think it took a 40 million dollar campaign to create America? if we can tap into the freedom message once again anything is possible. There is nobody that could tell me what is possible or impossible a simple idea I created the November 5th mass donation that was FREE raised 10 million dollars of media publicity in one day the 4.3 million was the icing on the cake. You have to declare victory to win there is no option for failure and I won't.

There are tipping points in society that change the direction of history Nov 5th was one of them. I hope you consider helping our campaign in the future regardless.

:)

YouTube - Romeo Void - Never Say Never (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePIImGMjn_8)

[dr. hfn]

bump!

[libertybrewcity]

wasting resources would be voting for the dem or republican for governor!! the best thing to do is vote for anyone but the republican or dem!!

yea, im voting for nightinggale but i'm not to give to a moneybomb. i wouldn't vote for whitman or brown for any reason.

[paulitics]

States like California are never lost causes even if the chance to win is negligble. The opportunity to educate alone is worth getting behind a candidate like this.

This aint 2008 anymore. People are looking for something other than 2 establishment big government hacks. True, she probably won't reach enough people to win the election, but reaching enough people to affect change in California at the local level is a real possibility.

Also, patriots like Medina and Rand Paul are becoming well known on a national level. Any one of these leaders can be the next Ron Paul.

[libertybrewcity]

I already have the idea that is worth 40 million in media advertising so I guess we do have a chance after all. Were you with us when November 5th happened? That makes a big difference if you know the power of our movement.

Your right no he did not run as a third party candidate but he was portrayed by the media as one. Do you think it took a 40 million dollar campaign to create America? if we can tap into the freedom message once again anything is possible. There is nobody that could tell me what is possible or impossible a simple idea I created the November 5th mass donation that was FREE raised 10 million dollars of media publicity in one day the 4.3 million was the icing on the cake. You have to declare victory to win there is no option for failure and I won't.

There are tipping points in society that change the direction of history Nov 5th was one of them. I hope you consider helping our campaign in the future regardless.

Ron didn't win even by raising 4.3 million dollars.

Goodluck to you though, maybe I'll change my mind sometime and help out.

[libertybrewcity]

States like California are never lost causes even if the chance to win is negligble. The opportunity to educate alone is worth getting behind a candidate like this.

This aint 2008 anymore. People are looking for something other than 2 establishment big government hacks. True, she probably won't reach enough people to win the election, but reaching enough people to affect change in California at the local level is a real possibility.

Also, patriots like Medina and Rand Paul are becoming well known on a national level. Any one of these leaders can be the next Ron Paul.

Very true. Education is very important for the movement.

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[puppetmaster]

good luck! I will hope!

[Brian4Liberty]

What's the strategy to bring in independents and some Democrats?

[Deborah K]

I wasn't going to vote for Governor because I'm sick and tired of voting for the least of two evils. I will vote for her but she needs to polish it up and take a page or two out Meg Whitman's playbook. Unfortunately she has to play the game in order to win the votes of the average sleeping Joe.

No one in the tea partys that I'm a member of have mentioned her. I will pass her info out and call the local radio and tv stations and see if I can get her on.

She should challenge the other two to debates.

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[South Park Fan]

Whats the difference between her and Dale Ogden?

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[0zzy]

Meg Whitman.

Yep! Cause I have battered-wife-syndrome and will vote for the Republican for a state office like this. Brown in town will make me :[.

[TruckinMike]

Chelene Nightingale is the only one who endorsed Ron Paul she is one of us. If this movement and forum can unite behind her it's our first step to victory.

Sorry, but the pea-brained utopian googley-eyed libertarians(oops, forgot to throw in "atheist" and "God hating":eek:) here will see that she is demonized because of her stance on illegal immigration and the fact that she is running under the "Constitution party" banner. Thus creating a divide and a motivation kill.

TMike

PS- that felt good...;)

PPS - If you are not a pea-brained, googley-eyed, atheist, utopian, God-hating libertarian then I am not talking about you.

[silentshout]

Sorry, but the pea-brained utopian googley-eyed libertarians(oops, forgot to throw in "atheist" and "God hating":eek:) here will see that she is demonized because of her stance on illegal immigration and the fact that she is running under the "Constitution party" banner. Thus creating a divide and a motivation kill.

TMike

PS- that felt good...;)

PPS - If you are not a pea-brained, googley-eyed, atheist, utopian, God-hating libertarian then I am not talking about you.

Eh, I haven't researched her at all, but as long as she is truly for freedom of belief, then it's fine. I am not into candidates that want to force a particular belief down my throat.

[Fredom101]

No way. The constitution party is fringe and this video reeks of nationalism in a bad way. I hated how they showed that minute man talking about "securing the borders" and I'm not at all a fan of Ronnie Reagan. Boo. :(

[specsaregood]

and the fact that she is running under the "Constitution party" banner. Thus creating a divide and a motivation kill.


Technically it is the "American Independent Party" banner in california.

[Fredom101]

ps I don't hate god, no reason to hate something imaginary!

pps i still contend that california is the most libertarian state in the nation (with of course the most socialist government), which is why i'm predicting a really low voter turnout (every governor we have turns out worse than the last one).

[South Park Fan]

Technically it is the "American Independent Party" banner in california.

Has the AIP reaffiliated with the Constitution Party, or is it still under the control of the Alan Keyes hacks?

[Brian4Liberty]

Brian first I wish to say thank you for creating this forums with Josh. The message of the Nightingale campaign will be about the freedom message it is above both political parties. If we can harness the power as we did in the Ron Paul campaign I think we can reach all people.

Sorry, that would be the other Bryan... :D

The complaint that will come from a lot of people will be that we will just divide the Whitman vote and elect Brown. We can bring in some people with the immigration issue, as both Whitman and Brown are essentially the same on that, but what will bring in Democrats?

[Brian4Liberty]

Has the AIP reaffiliated with the Constitution Party, or is it still under the control of the Alan Keyes hacks?

I believe Chelene was not the Alan Keyes candidate in the AIP Primary. She is the Ron Paul/Chuck Baldwin style AIP candidate.

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[TruckinMike]

If it's brown flush it down!



This country was founded by God and believing in the impossible never forget that. I was a non believer for all my life and that change a few days ago. If you had the same experience I did I think you may feel the same way but that's just my opinion.

The Freedom message is what unites all together not religion. I am not here to preach about God but wanted to share my story to show you how I got there. :)

You should know the original November 5th concept I only wanted 1 person to donate and I thought that was enough. It only requires one person to make a difference.

In case you are wondering -- My subdued opinion wasn't getting me or this forum anywhere. I thought I would try something new. At least Constitution loving lurkers would know that at not all Ron Paul supporters were open-border nuts.

Ron Paul is for border control and so am I.

TMike

PS-Open border Ideologues run in packs. Not unlike little children at recess. They have their team leader and follow in his every step. Careful now, if provoked they will attack.

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[Fredom101]

If it's brown flush it down!



This country was founded by God and believing in the impossible never forget that. I was a non believer for all my life and that change a few days ago. If you had the same experience I did I think you may feel the same way but that's just my opinion.

The Freedom message is what unites all together not religion. I am not here to preach about God but wanted to share my story to show you how I got there. :)

You should know the original November 5th concept I only wanted 1 person to donate and I thought that was enough. It only requires one person to make a difference.

This country was founded by God? :confused:
Can you explain how this happened?

[Fredom101]

In case you are wondering -- My subdued opinion wasn't getting me or this forum anywhere. I thought I would try something new. At least Constitution loving lurkers would know that at not all Ron Paul supporters were open-border nuts.

Ron Paul is for border control and so am I.

TMike

PS-Open border Ideologues run in packs. Not unlike little children at recess. They have their team leader and follow in his every step. Careful now, if provoked they will attack.

You start by calling people here names and expect to get respect?
It's not a rule here that we agree with Ron Paul on everything.
In fact, it's healthier not to.

You just attacked a group of people here and are warning about that group attacking? Hmm..

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[constituent]

Nightingale for Governor Campaign has enlisted James Sugra, creator of the record-breaking Ron Paul Money Bomb of 2007



Sugra’s ‘one-man-had-enough’ inspiration united 40,000 Americans to amass 4.3 million dollars in a single day,



Over the course of the following six months, Sugra’s bottom-up tactic raised $30 million for the Ron Paul campaign, proving that one man with an idea

I'm not terribly convinced of the validity of these claims... particularly not after having been a member of rpf during the whole thing.

Additionally, the piece reads like a James Sugra ad. After reading it, I had trouble remembering the name of the individual actually running for office.

Anyway, just some food for thought. :)

[Deborah K]

Sorry, that would be the other Bryan... :D

The complaint that will come from a lot of people will be that we will just divide the Whitman vote and elect Brown. We can bring in some people with the immigration issue, as both Whitman and Brown are essentially the same on that, but what will bring in Democrats?

On this she will need to take a page or two out of Ron's playbook. She needs to talk about fiscal responsibility and be specific with charts, diagrams, statistics. She needs to lay her financial plan for the state on the table. Nothing will give her more credibility than producing a sound financial strategy for the state.

[Fredom101]

One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. :D

It is the unwavering belief to dream in the impossible is how we win, it's how the founders won. You have to declare it in your mind there is no questions it's the same passion are movement had in 2007 - 2008. You have to fight with everything and we can do it this election cycle.

YouTube - Charlie Daniels on The Pledge of Allegiance (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTIFZ_5uDm0)

You do realize the pledge was written by a nazi?
Or maybe you're joking and I'm just taking it all too seriously. :o

[Chieppa1]

You do realize the pledge was written by a nazi?
Or maybe you're joking and I'm just taking it all too seriously. :o

Let's hope.

[constituent]

They have their team leader and follow in his every step. Careful now, if provoked they will attack.

We have a team and a leader? F*n awesome! :)

[Deborah K]

You do realize the pledge was written by a nazi?
Or maybe you're joking and I'm just taking it all too seriously. :o

I knew he was a socialist....but a nazi? Source?

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[constituent]

I have a confession I like your name so much that I have actually used Constituent on 2 other forums Calguns and the new forum we created NightingaleforGovernorForums.com

Hey man, that's awesome! It's yours. :)

I'm not attached at all, and my purpose for using "constituent" was that it sounded better than "nobody," "everybody," or "salt of the earth."

In fact, there's an open invite on the table for anyone who wants the name constituent at ronpaulforums.

Anyone interested just let me know. I will gladly fade back into obscurity. :)

[Fredom101]

I knew he was a socialist....but a nazi? Source?

He was actually a "national socialist"....and mostly lived before WWII, so not a nazi in the third reich sense.

Here's an interesting article on the pledge that also shows how the "heil" salute started right here in the USA:
http://rayharvey.org/index.php/2010/05/francis-bellamy-and-the-united-states-pledge-of-allegiance-2/

[South Park Fan]

I knew he was a socialist....but a nazi? Source?

Nationalist+socialist=nazi

Here's a group of schoolchildren performing the Pledge the way it was originally intended:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Bellamy_salute_1.jpg

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[tremendoustie]

Here are the current major endorsements.


- Chuck Baldwin

2008 Presidential Candidate Constitution Party

"I am happy to endorse the gubernatorial candidacy of Chelene Nightingale. Supporters and friends of limited government and true conservative/constitutional principles have no better ally in California than Chelene. She would make a fantastic governor and would lead the way to bringing fiscal sanity back the The Golden State."

- Mr. G. Edward Griffin

At the Central Valley Tea Party on Saturday, April 10th, 2010. The extraordinary Mr. Griffin, Documentary Filmmaker, Author, Political Lecturer, signed a Nightingale For Governor endorsement letter.

- Press Release http://www.prlog.org/10624786-nightingale-for-governor-receives-major-endorsement-takes-oath.html

- Tom Tancredo

Former congressmen and 2008 Presidential Candidate

California's number one blog site, Californiality, recently stated that "the Chelene Nightingale for Governor Campaign is anything but dull." The campaign's latest endorsement continues to prove that the Nightingale for Governor Campaign continues to create interest and excitement in an otherwise pedestrian campaign. 
Although the two main Republican Gubernatorial candidates make claims about being allies of voters who demand secure borders, America's leading voice for border security, former Colorado Congressman, Tom Tancredo, has opted to cross party lines and endorse Chelene Nightingale for Governor of California.

Tancredo, who continues to be the nation’s acknowledged leader in the battle against illegal immigration and amnesty and for secure borders declare, "California is on the edge of a political and financial abyss. It is desperately in need of leadership that does not come out of the 'let's do it the way it has always been done and expect things to be different' school for politicians. Chelene Nightingale went to the college of constitutional principles instead and graduated at the head of her class. It's a school all Americans should attend, or at least elect leaders who did."


- Press Release 
http://www.prlog.org/10688631-former-republican-congressman-tom-tancredo-endorses-nightingale-for-governor.html


This may sound strange, but the fact that she endorsed Ron Paul means more to me than any endorsement she might get, including from RP.

I strongly disagree with her on immigration, but I'm thinking I may for her anyway.

Let me ask this, as you seem to have some familiarity with the campaign: Would she focus mainly on removing "illegal" immigrant access to government benefits (which I would support), or would she launch a major effort at massive deportations, and/or increased government intrusion into business?

[Brian4Liberty]

On this she will need to take a page or two out of Ron's playbook. She needs to talk about fiscal responsibility and be specific with charts, diagrams, statistics. She needs to lay her financial plan for the state on the table. Nothing will give her more credibility than producing a sound financial strategy for the state.

That sounds like a good idea! Fiscal responsibility is key.


Okay that is a good place to start... Remember it is a Nightingale press release we can shorten it but we need to show the impact of an individual to what is achievable that is why there is an emphasis on the achievement.

I agree with Constituent. Focusing on Chelene and her issues is most important.

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[Deborah K]

That brings a good point this is something I am working on.

Nightingale for Governor

Freedom is your Responsibility? What else would be good as our tag line...

I am in the process of developing the "We the People" contract to California. For the time in American history since our founding we are going to allow the citizens to create the solutions.

Once the contract is completed we package it and it will be a contract between Nightingale and the citizens of California. When she is elected in to office she will enact all the resolutions and on November 5th that is when we will teach people a lesson that has been forgotten for years "Freedom is our Responsibility". I am going to hold the largest mass donation in US history to restore the Republic of California.

If you have been trained to believe something a certain way your entire life how would you know any better? That is why all economic plans have failed it is a politician presenting a deal but if you change the dynamics you change the system.

Our platform is the constitution limited government, free market economics, cut spending, principled leadership and we really are all these things.

Fiscal responsibility follow the Constitution, provide solutions through the people get people involved then you teach them the final lesson.

Deborah what do I need to do get you to organize a March lol?

Oh Boy, uh.....let's talk about that some more.

In the meantime, do you know how many assemblymen and Senators are up for election? Because she's going to be in the same boat as Arnold Kennedy-Shriver if she doesn't have a majority imo. There really should be a concerted effort to throw the incumbants out and get fresh blood in all the way around.

Is there a main hub for all the tea parties and 9-12rs in Cali?

She's gonna need to get airtime on the a.m. waves. She needs exposure BAD! Never heard of her until you posted.

I really, honestly think the only thing Californians care about is the coming economic collapse of the state and what can be done about it. Straight talk about that is going to get people's attention.

She needs to hook up with Dr. Paul for a chat.

I hate to say it but a Palin endorsement will go far. I think it helped Rand.

just some thoughts.....

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[Promontorium]

You're not selling me with this God business however;

California, the most diverse and beautiful country the world has ever known has spent the last 200 years revolutionizing the world, and drawing the attention of all the world's people. It is a disgusting crime against our species that California's government has become what it is. It is crippling or destroying everything good here.

I'm on board. I'll give the old Republic another chance. I plan to leave this place and never look back, but I'm willing to try while I'm here.

I don't know if she can win. But I haven't met anyone who wants Whitman or Brown. People wanted Obama, people wanted more Bush, Ron Paul losing was inevitable. I think this race is up for grabs if a real candidate emerged. Whitman has 0 government experience, Brown is washed up. I have no idea how either of them won their noms but I know there's no real support. Party loyalty is the only opposition.

If she wants to win, she needs to sweep up entire groups. Get the Tea Party, get the open-carriers, get up in the media's shit and make her name known. Be CUT THROAT. Right now nobody knows her. If she's to have a chance, people at least need to know her name. Pull off some epic publicity stunt before the money bomb.

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[Deborah K]

Jamsie set up a chip in and a wish list with itemized expenses. Who is her campaign manager? And does she have offices set up in the major cities yet?

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[teacherone]

her issues page needs a lot of work-- two of the hottest issues in california are not even mentioned-- gay marriage and marijuana legalization.

what are her views on both? is she a social conservative who will use the force of government to deny people the right to contract with one another as they see fit?

will she nullify the feds on their intrusion of prop 215?

and what exactly is the California State Military she wishes to post at the border?


To protect our California border, I will place our state military on the border to help border patrol.

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[teacherone]

Hi TeacherOne- We believe in states rights and are true to the constitution party so if the will of the people is 2 legalize and include gay marriage we are going to support the will of the people. It's my belief the legalization of marijuana is a positive thing and the good far out way the bad in the resources that could be created from could help greatly. I do not like the taxation of Prop 19 but I see the value right now we are in an economic crisis we got to find the solutions to get out.

It think it should be handled like drink and driving do not smoke and drive. Hmm the same consequences?

Prop 215 - We are against any intrusion of the Federal Government so I am delighted to look into this issue and potentially bring it to the for front of the campaign if it all checks out. As much as I hate to say it we well will work with Federal Government in some instance in providing us any information that could help save lives the people must always come first. The war on terror has made us a lot of enemies and the consequences of blow back must never be under estimated.

I corrected the page in environment you are right. If you can update your post it's appreciated. We will open up this discussion on this topic and look forward to having Nightingale come here for discussion. The thing is nobody has this answer if we damage the earth there could be consequences.

We should all do are part as citizens of the earth we inhabit it and should respect it.

We are in the process of developing a we the people solution solution page. What if people donated fruits and vegetables to feed the homeless in all counties. A example are the SOS clinics they provide free food to people. Companies like Trader Joes donate produce many times companies throw stuff away. It would be simple to have a 1-800 number to collect goods from large companies and also have farmers donate produce as well. There maybe some regulations we must look at with the FDA but I believe there could be a solution to help out in just 1 way here.

She is for stationing military at the border and I am in agreement a wall not so much. I am for real liberty in every sense of means but we have people coming here kidnapping people, living off us for free taking advantage of our system and gangs have run rampant in CA.

We need to change D.C in this regard no more amnesty, no more welfare nanny state. Then it will allow us to follow a more liberty minded philosophy in my opinion.

Edited the post above... section looks better now.

Would be nice in the immigration section for her to point out that the guard is stationed overseas fighting undeclared wars.

also- the tone of her immigration stance could be softened. it is all too obvious that california businesses profit greatly from illegal immigration.

there are two solutions to the problem--

a) EXPAND THE GOVERNMENT= station the military, pull illegals out of schools, investigate and fine businesses that hire illegals.

b) LIMIT THE GOVERNMENT = cut all the welfare programs and the fire the bureaucrats who run them.

i think we all know which answer the constitution calls for.

[teacherone]

suggested issues edits...


EDUCATION


CALIFORNIA'S PROBLEMS
California is currently ranked 49th nationwide in education.
25% of California students do not speak English (The national average is 9%).
California classrooms are overcrowded with 6.2 million students.
California schools are forcing political agenda curriculum on K-5th grade students.
California is currently ranked 49th nationwide in education.
K-12 education consumes 40% of the entire state budget while only 50% of California's students will ever graduate from high school.
Public employee unions have too much power.
The California public school system seems to be more interested in pushing political agendas onto our impressionable youth instead of teaching them the fundamentals.

CHELENE'S SOLUTIONS

Curtail End benefits for educating those who are in our state unlawfully.
Offer state support an Education Tax Refund for families who choose home schooling options.
Create low cost nutritional options and provide school work programs for California families in need.
Allow parents to opt out of education that does not fit their family values. In addition, reward schools with financial incentives for concentrating on valuable academic studies instead of politically correct agendas.
Most people lose their jobs when they don't perform well. America's highest paid teachers should not be any different.
Force schools to improve through competition and allow parents to choose the best schools for their children by eliminating school district boundaries.
School vouchers are working extremely well wherever they are allowed. We need to push aside the special-interests who are preventing California students from the benefits of educational choice.

[teacherone]

California's problems


12% of americans live in california but we spend 32% of the social program money in america.
In 2005, california had the 3rd worst business climate in the nation. Today we have the worst.
We are home to the nation's highest business taxes and the most punishing employment laws. (source and stats?)
we have the highest sales tax in the nation with a minimum sales tax of 8.25%
after spending decades running the aircraft and aerospace industries out of the state, our legislature has run out an additional 80,000 jobs in the last 5 years.
The cost of our state government has grown by 40% since our current governor took office.
California leads the nation with an 11.5% unemployment rate and those numbers are still climbing.
All of these problems stem directly from those in sacramento who refuse to deny favors to their special interest benefactors. But "we the people" can repair this misrepresentation and fix our economy with the following solutions.


Chelene's solutions

return the legislature to part-time status.
free all california state prisoners currently doing time for consumption or possession of marijuana.
drastically reduce business taxes.
drastically reduce the sales tax.
Drastically reduce property taxes.
reduce workers comp costs and benefits. Don't penalize businesses for creating jobs.
Make california a profitable state for businesses and businesses will create jobs for our citizens.
Cut taxes for all our citizens and allow our state to prosper.
It has taken our misguided politicians decades to create this current financial mess; thus we will not climb out of it overnight. California cannot continue push our businesses across state lines with high taxes and burdensome regulations while we spend away our children's futures. I firmly believe that responsible citizens have had enough and are ready to take california back!

[Deborah K]

Love, love, love your input teacherone.

[Deborah K]

Jamsie, just joined the SoCal meet-up group.

[teacherone]

Water and the environment



people are more important than fish!

Yet those we have elected continue to destroy our state with their environmental propaganda. the federal endangered species act has turned our central valley into a dust bowl to save a few delta smelt. combined with an irresponsible judicial decision preventing water to be pumped into the san joaquin valley and our once golden state has lost $2.2 billion in revenue due to the water crisis. In addition 500,000 acres of agricultural land will eventually be forced out of production increasing unemployment which is already hovering around 40% in the region. Ironically those who vow to save our environment are actually destroying the central valley.

Our state environmental problems are further compounded with ab 32. Back in 2006 governor schwarzenegger (r), supported by members of the global elite, signed into law this global warming solutions act to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. The bill gives power to the california air resources board (carb) to develop strict regulations over on california businesses. The small business roundtable estimated ab 32 would cost consumers $149.2 billion and small businesses $182.6 billion in addition to 1.1 million in lost jobs. (our state already has an unemployment crisis averaging around 15 %.)

i support both farmers and human welfare! Time to abolish the san joaquin river settlement and instead create a farmers relief settlement! In addition i will immediately demand a temporary judicial order to allow the delta pumps to flow through our current dust bowl while we work on permanent solutions like building new water systems.

[teacherone]

The tenth amendment of the united states constitution:


"the powers not delegated to the united states (government) by the constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

unfortunately the federal government has unconstitutionally trampled on states' rights. Not only do many elected officials allow the intrusion, they aid in dismantling both state and individual rights by passing overbearing laws.

this is seen most dramatically when the federal government ignores the will of california's people and raids medical marijuana establishments confiscating property and imprisoning businessmen and women alike. As governor i will force the federal government to recognize our rights under the tenth amendment to govern ourselves as we californians see fit.

the tenth amendment was adopted after the constitutional ratification process to emphasize the fact that the states remained individual and uniquely sovereign. Thus, any federal attempt to legislate beyond the constitutional limits of congress' authority is an usurpation of state sovereignty.

As governor, i will join the fight with arizona, new hampshire, florida, montana,
tennessee, and others to regain our vital state constitutional rights. Each state must embrace its own destiny and california is no exception. The golden state is faced with a multitude of serious problems created by our own politicians without importing more unconstitutional obstacles from washington d.c.

[Jamsie 567]

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[teacherone]

jamsie--sent you a word doc with suggested edits.

Formatting was getting all wacked on the Forum.

[Jamsie 567]

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[teacherone]

Noted with thanks you are a patriot and a scholar, page is updated! :D

I am about to send out a hard hitting press release and set forth operation eagle has landed. If anyone wants to get involved sign up on our site for mass email updates. I will connect it to a page where you can copy and paste to send out to the press. They can ignore me but they can not ignore us all! Help restore the California Republic!

http://www.NightingaleforGovernor.com

Wow...that was fast!

Hope you ran those issue pages by the candidate first! I did some major changes there!

Please make sure Nightingale agrees with the alterations--especially:


Free all California state prisoners currently doing time for consumption or possession of marijuana. We can save millions by diminishing our prison population.





Force schools to improve through competition and allow parents to choose the best schools for their children by eliminating school district boundaries.


Offer an “Education Tax Refund” for families who choose home schooling options.


Drastically reducing property taxes.


This is seen most dramatically when the federal government ignores the will of California’s people and raids medical marijuana establishments confiscating property and imprisoning businessmen and women alike. As governor I will force the federal government to recognize our rights under the tenth amendment to govern ourselves as we Californians see fit.

THE ABOVE WERE MY ADDITIONS-- PLEASE ENSURE NIGHTINGALE AGREES WITH THEM!

[mybug67]

Who would vote for two faced Meg!!

[The Patriot]

YouTube - Dead Kennedys - California Ãœber Alles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UW8UlY8eXCk)

[The Patriot]

Here is an interesting note, Jerry Brown is stronger on 2nd Amendment rights than Whitman. He filed a brief in favor of McDonald against Chicago. Where on the other hand, Whitman has been in favor of hand gun and assault weapons bans
http://www.kfsm.com/news/nationworld/sns-ap-us-jerry-brown,0,4713229.story
http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-11-23/bay-area/17182106_1_jerry-brown-gun-violence-prevention-high-court

[Pauls' Revere]

GovernorDALE F. OGDEN - Business Consultant/Actuary
Website
Smartvoter
Facebook
http://www.daleogden.org/

YouTube - DaleOgden.mov (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7R88KGaHKc)

[Jamsie 567]

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[teacherone]

jamsie: i tried to work on the illegal immigration one to soften the language a bit. i added a paragraph about the wars and about the welfare state. read it and see if it works!


No other issue has dominated our political climate more than border security and immigration reform. In fact the debate is even more heated due to Arizona passing SB 1070 due to the federal government's failure to protect our borders. Recent polling data proves an increasing number of Americans not only support Arizona, but also 76% of Americans want a decrease of the illegal alien population (CBS).

As Governor, I will follow Arizona’s lead and send our State Military and National Guard to the border in order to halt the flow of illegal immigrants. To do this I will recall our California State Patriots from the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq. Our young men and women should not be working to build nations abroad while our great state is crumbling at home. They should not be fighting Washington’s undeclared and therefor unconstitutional wars! Thirty Californian heroes have already died needlessly abroad since Operation “Iraqi Freedom” began. It’s time we brought them all home to do the job they signed up to do—defending the Golden State!

Per a Department of Homeland Security Report, California is the leading state of residence for illegal aliens. California is also the home of the greatest number of sanctuary cities. The adverse effects of the illegal alien population in California has been costly and includes the complete financial collapse of the sanctuary city Maywood, recently forced to lay off all of its city workers and to end all city services for all its legal and law-abiding citizens.


Other problems noted include the following:

• California Taxpayers pay $10.5 billion per year for the education, healthcare and incarceration of criminal aliens. (FAIR Study) *This report does not include food stamps, CalWorks, or anchor baby costs.
• Per a 2007 economic advisor report, the average illegal alien receives $8 - $12 in public services yet only pays $1 in taxes resulting in a special "tax" in tens of billions of dollars for legal Californians.
• Department of Justice reports 60% of Southern California gangs are criminal aliens and almost half of the California prison system are illegal aliens.
• Drug cartels have set up money laundering operations in Los Angeles to take over local politics.
• Illegal aliens are wanted for 95% of all Los Angeles homicides.
• Special language programs cost California almost $500 million annually.

Now there is a lot of blame to go around; from the businesses that hire illegals and profit from their cheap labor, to the ever expanding welfare state which attracts those seeking a better life. Obviously militarizing our border is not a permanent solution—we must first remove the generous benefits that illegals receive in order to ensure that those coming to work in our great state get in line and do it legally and lawfully. Therefore, as governor I will do the following:

• End all public benefits for illegal aliens.
• Enforce immigration laws which include abolishing sanctuary city policies.
• Support the California Taxpayer Protection Act. http://www.taxpayerrevolution.org
• Prohibit in-state tuition for anyone here unlawfully.
Although I will speak with those who represent our state in Washington D.C. regarding border security solutions, I will utilize state rights to do the job the federal government refuses to do! To protect our California border, I will place our state military on the border to help border patrol. In addition I will demand that our National Guard are sent back home to do the job they enlisted to do.

Finally, I will dramatically diminish the welfare state that California has developed over the years of liberal leadership. Only when this is achieved will those wishing to come to our great state come willing to work legally and lawfully.