Is Sarah Palin A Neocon Puppet?

[Matt Collins]

Is Sarah Palin A Neocon Puppet?
Jack Hunter asks the question




YouTube - SA@TAC - Is Palin a Neocon Puppet? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERPsp71U84Q)

[Mr.Magnanimous]

I think she's definitely a neocon, but not necessarily a puppet. Some people genuinely believe that our overseas presence is a necessity.

[FrankRep]

I think she's definitely a neocon, but not necessarily a puppet. Some people genuinely believe that our overseas presence is a necessity.
Sarah Palin seems more like a cheerleader of Republican populism and is too afraid to rock the boat or challenge the status quo.

[low preference guy]

Sarah Palin seems more like a cheerleader of Republican populism and is too afraid to rock the boat or challenge the status quo.

With the exceptions of calling for giving marijuana enforcement a low priority and her endorsements of Rand Paul, Nikki Haley, and Clint Didier.

[FrankRep]

With the exceptions of calling for giving marijuana enforcement a low priority and her endorsements of Rand Paul, Nikki Haley, and Clint Didier.

Wow. Sarah Palin was on Freedom Watch. She's getting some courage!

YouTube - Ron Paul, Sarah Palin, Rand Paul on Freedom Watch 06/12/10 p.3/5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2A528cdAYaU)

[specsaregood]

Wow. Sarah Palin was on Freedom Watch. She's getting some courage!


I still LOL at how the judge tricked her into being against the patriot act, she got blindsided.

[silus]

Is Sarah Palin a puppet? Ask yourself, how much sense does that actually make? A puppet and a maverick couldn't be more opposite. The only way she could be a puppet is if being a puppet was the mavericky thing to do, which it clearly is not...

[catdd]

"Is Sarah Palin A Neocon Puppet?"


Does a bear shit in the woods?

[fj45lvr]

I doubt she embraces the full spectrum of what Ron outlined in "neo-conned" but she definitely is sold out to Israel (a main "cog" of the neo-con ideology).

[heavenlyboy34]

SA should read "The Myth Of National Defense". ;)

[heavenlyboy34]

Palin thinks giving debt to future generations should be illegal, yet the rest of her policy ideas do just that? Talk about schizo! lolz!!! Liberty republicans need to do better than this.

[00_Pete]

She has 90% of the news media against her and 100% of the intertainment industry against her...puppet my arse. She scares a lot of very powerful people for some reason...

Watch the totally scripted/pre-fabricated interview (IT WAS period) with her and Ron Paul on Freedom Watch and start to "read between the lines", if you do that you can see that there is an agreement made "behind the scenes", even mr. Napolitano that jumped on the "Palin is dumb" bandwagon seems to have realised something we dont...and dont forget that she has to play "the game" to go somewhere. Even Ron Paul has to bullsh*t to get somewhere, every politician does.

Observe her endorsements including some non-interventionist ones and start to "read between the lines".

As for Israel, since when being a supporter of Israel means being "sold" to Israel? In her church there was a messianic Jew that said the Israelis are getting attacked by terrorists because they are rebels against God. Some call her "tool of the Jews/Israel" others call her "anti-semite"...maybe she is neither and instead is the master of her own nose no?

And dont buy into the whole "Rapture" and "She is going to start WW3 so Jesus may return" BS because her religious movement is completly against such doctrines and even calls them "satanic inspired".

[low preference guy]

Liberty republicans need to do better than this.

Maybe you should become one! You'll also be an example to others, so it'll be easy for them to become liberty republicans!

[heavenlyboy34]

Maybe you should become one! You'll also be an example to others, so it'll be easy for them to become liberty republicans!

I'd rather teach them, thanks. I don't want to get ensnared in the nonsense of politics. (the old saying "you are who you hang out with" also applies. I find conservatives/republicans mostly abhorrent and ignorant, with a few glimpses of enlightenment) FYI, I advance a position on other sites and in real life that combines the anarchist and RP/Tom Woods-esque approaches. :cool: It seems to neutralize both neocons and left-libs well.

[heavenlyboy34]

She has 90% of the news media against her and 100% of the intertainment industry against her...puppet my arse. She scares a lot of very powerful people for some reason...

Watch the totally scripted/pre-fabricated interview (IT WAS period) with her and Ron Paul on Freedom Watch and start to "read between the lines", if you do that you can see that there is an agreement made "behind the scenes", even mr. Napolitano that jumped on the "Palin is dumb" bandwagon seems to have realised something we dont...and dont forget that she has to play "the game" to go somewhere. Even Ron Paul has to bullsh*t to get somewhere, every politician does.

Observe her endorsements including some non-interventionist ones and start to "read between the lines".

As for Israel, since when being a supporter of Israel means being "sold" to Israel? In her church there was a messianic Jew that said the Israelis are getting attacked by terrorists because they are rebels against God. Some call her "tool of the Jews/Israel" others call her "anti-semite"...maybe she is neither and instead is the master of her own nose no?

And dont buy into the whole "Rapture" and "She is going to start WW3 so Jesus may return" BS because her religious movement is completly against such doctrines and even calls them "satanic inspired".

Quite an exaggeration. The whole right-wing media complex has orgasms over her. Don't fall for the Hegelian trap being set for you! :eek:

[00_Pete]

Quite an exaggeration. The whole right-wing media complex has orgasms over her. Don't fall for the Hegelian trap being set for you! :eek:

Im talking about mainstream TV channels and news media, the kind that are owned by super-powerful people. The only one is Fox News...CNN, MSNBC, Bloomberg, C-Span, etc...all against her.

But an even better example of how she scares very powerful people is 100% of intertainment industry being against her since intertainment surpassed news media long time ago. In this days of Godlessness and "Bread and Circus", intertainment > news media and our overlords know it.

If you think the 2008 Palin-bashing was bad you havent seen nothing yet...

[Brian4Liberty]

Sarah is being pulled in a couple of directions. People want to bring her to "their" side. But as SA said, Bill Kristol is still her main "mentor". As a matter of fact, it's very doubtful that Sarah Palin wrote her recent "war" note by herself. It has Kristol's fingerprints (and style) all over it.

http://www.facebook.com/notes/sarah-palin/peace-through-strength-and-american-pride-vs-enemy-centric-policy/403777543434


DEFENSE SPENDING

It takes a lot of resources to maintain the best fighting force in the world – especially at a time when we face financial uncertainty and a mountain of debt that threatens all of our futures.

We have a federal government that is spending trillions, and that has nationalized whole sections of our economy: the auto industry, the insurance industry, health care, student loans, the list goes on – all of it at enormous cost to the tax payer. The cost of Obamacare alone is likely to exceed $2.5 trillion dollars.

As a result of all these trillion dollar spending bills, America’s going bust in a hurry. By 2020 we may reach debt levels of $20 trillion – twice the debt that we have today! It reminds me of that joke I read the other day: “Please don’t tell Obama what comes after a trillion!”

Something has to be done urgently to stop the out of control Obama-Reid-Pelosi spending machine, and no government agency should be immune from budget scrutiny. We must make sure, however, that we do nothing to undermine the effectiveness of our military. If we lose wars, if we lose the ability to deter adversaries, if we lose the ability to provide security for ourselves and for our allies, we risk losing all that makes America great! That is a price we cannot afford to pay.

This may be obvious to you and me, but I am not sure the Obama Administration gets it. There isn’t a single progressive pet cause which they haven’t been willing to throw billions at. But when it comes to defense spending, all of a sudden they start preaching a message of “fiscal restraint.” Our Defense Secretary recently stated the “gusher” of defense spending was over and that it was time for the Department of Defense to tighten its belt. There’s a gusher of spending alright, but it’s not on defense. Did you know the US actually only ranks 25th worldwide on defense spending as a percentage of GDP? We spend three times more on entitlements and debt services than we do on defense.

Now don’t get me wrong: there’s nothing wrong with preaching fiscal conservatism. I want the federal government to balance its budget right now! And not the Washington way – which is raising your taxes to pay for their irresponsible spending habits. I want it done the American way: by cutting spending, reducing the size of government, and letting people keep more of their hard-earned cash.

But the Obama administration doesn’t practice what it preaches. This is an administration that won’t produce a budget for fear that we discover how reckless they’ve been as fiscal managers. At the same time, it threatens to veto a defense bill because of an extra jet engine!

This administration may be willing to cut defense spending, but it’s increasing it everywhere else. I think we should do it the other way round: cut spending in other departments – apart from defense. We should not be cutting corners on our national security.

THE U.S. NAVY

Secretary Gates recently spoke about the future of the US Navy. He said we have to “ask whether the nation can really afford a Navy that relies on $3 to $6 billion destroyers, $7 billion submarines, and $11 billion carriers.” He went on to ask, “Do we really need... more strike groups for another 30 years when no other country has more than one?”

Well, my answer is pretty simple: Yes, we can and, yes, we do because we must. Our Navy has global responsibilities. It patrols sea lanes and safeguards the freedoms of our allies – and ourselves. The Navy right now only has 286 ships, and that number may decrease. That will limit our options, extend tours for Navy personnel, lessen our ability to secure our allies and deter our adversaries. The Obama administration seems strangely unconcerned about this prospect.

OBAMA’S FOREIGN POLICY INHERITANCE

When George W. Bush came into office, he inherited a military that had been cut deeply, an al Qaeda that had been unchallenged, and an approach to terrorism that focused on bringing court cases rather than destroying those who sought to destroy us. We saw the result of some of that on 9/11.

When President Obama came into office, he inherited a military that was winning in Iraq. He inherited loyal allies and strong alliances. And thanks to the lamestream media pawing and purring over him, he had the benefit of unparalleled global popularity. What an advantage! So their basic foreign policy outlines should have been clear. Commit to the War on Terror. Commit to winning – not ending, but winning the war in Afghanistan. Commit to the fight against violent Islamic extremism wherever it finds sanctuary. Work with our allies. Be resolute with our adversaries. Promote liberty, not least because it enhances our security. Unfortunately, these basic principles seem to have been discarded by Washington.

THE WAR ON TERROR

His administration has banned the phrase “war on terror,” preferring instead politically correct nonsense like “overseas contingency operations.” His Homeland Security Secretary calls acts of terrorism “man-caused disasters.” His reckless plan to close Guantanamo (because there’s no place to go after it’s closed) faces bipartisan opposition now.

The Attorney General just announced that a decision about where to try terrorists like 9/11 master mind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed would not be announced until after the mid-term elections. Is there something he’s afraid to tell us?

The President’s new National Security Strategy does not even use the word “Islamic” when referring to violent extremism. Does he think the ideology of those who seek to kill Americans is irrelevant? How can we seek to defeat an enemy if we don’t acknowledge what motivates them and what their ultimate goals are? President Obama may think he is being politically correct by dropping the term, but it flies in the face of reality. As Senator Joe Lieberman noted, refusing to use the word Islamic when describing the nature of the threat we face is “Orwellian and counterproductive.”

AFGHANISTAN

In Afghanistan, it is true that President Obama approved deploying additional forces to the conflict – most, but not all the troops requested by commanders on the ground. But it took months of indecision to get to that point, and it came at a very high price – a July 2011 date to begin withdrawal.

This date was arbitrary! It bears no relation to conditions on the ground. It sends all the wrong signals to our friends and to our enemies. We know our commanders on the ground are not comfortable with it.

As that great Navy war hero, Senator John McCain recently put it: “The decision to begin withdrawing our forces from Afghanistan arbitrarily in July 2011 seems to be having exactly the effect that many of us predicted it would: It is convincing the key actors inside and outside of Afghanistan that the United States is more interested in leaving than succeeding in this conflict.”

Does the President really believe the Taliban and al Qaeda won’t be empowered by his naming of a starting date for withdrawal? They now believe they can beat him simply by outlasting us. What sort of effect does he think this will have on the morale of our troops – and of our allies?

ALIENATING OUR ALLIES

It’s not the only area where the Obama administration has failed our allies. They escalated a minor zoning issue in Jerusalem into a major dispute with our most important ally in the Middle East, Israel. They treated the Israeli Prime Minister shabbily in Washington. When a Turkish sponsored flotilla threatened to violate a legal Israeli blockade of Hamas-run Gaza, the Obama Administration was silent. When Israeli commandos were assaulted as they sought to prevent unmonitored cargoes from being delivered to Hamas terrorists, the Obama Administration sent signals it might allow a UN investigation into the matter – an investigation that would be sure to condemn our ally Israel and bemoan the plight of Hamas. Loyal NATO allies in central Europe were undermined by the cancellation of a missile defense program with virtually no warning. At the same time, Russia and China are given preferential treatment, while remaining silent on their human rights violations.

CODDLING ADVERSARIES

Meanwhile, the Obama Administration reaches out to some of the world’s worst regimes. They shake hands with dictators like Hugo Chavez, send letters to the Iranian mullahs and envoys to North Korea, ease sanctions on Cuba and talk about doing the same with Burma. That’s when they’re not on one of their worldwide apology tours.

Do we get anything in return for all this bowing and apologizing? No, we don’t. Yes, Russia voted for a weak sanctions resolution on Iran, but it immediately stated it could sell advanced anti-aircraft missile to Iran anyway, and would not end its nuclear cooperation. In response to North Korea’s unprovoked sinking of a South Korean Navy ship, China warned us not to take part in military exercises with our ally.

And while President Obama lets America get pushed around by the likes of Russia and China, our allies are left to wonder about the value of an alliance with the U.S. They have to be wondering if it’s worth it.

AN “ENEMY-CENTRIC” FOREIGN POLICY

It has led one prominent Czech official to call Obama’s foreign policy “enemy-centric.” And this “enemy-centric” approach has real consequences. It not only baffles our allies, it worries them. When coupled with less defense spending, it signals to the world that maybe we can no longer be counted on, and that we have other priorities than being the world leader that keeps the peace and provides security in Europe, in Asia and throughout the world.

Together with this enemy-centric foreign policy, we see a lessening of the long, bipartisan tradition of speaking out for human rights and democracy. The Secretary of State said she would not raise human rights with China because “we pretty much know what they are going to say.” Democracy promotion programs have been cut. Support for the brave Iranians protesting their government was not forthcoming because President Obama would rather try to cut a deal with their oppressors.

When the world’s dictators see the United States unconcerned with human rights and political freedom, they breathe a sigh of relief, because they know they have a free hand to repress their own people.

This goes against the very ideals on which our republic was founded. There is a long bipartisan tradition of speaking out in favor of freedom – from FDR to Ronald Reagan. America loses something very important when its President consigns human rights and freedom to the back burner of its international priorities.

A DIFFERENT VIEW OF AMERICA

We have a President, perhaps for the very first time since the founding of our republic, who doesn’t appear to believe that America is the greatest earthly force for good the world has ever known.

When asked whether he believed in American exceptionalism, President Obama answered, “I believe in American exceptionalism, just as I suspect that the Brits believe in British exceptionalism and the Greeks believe in Greek exceptionalism.” Amazing. Amazing.

I think this statement speaks volumes about his world view. He sees nothing unique in the American experience? Really? Our founding, and our founding mothers and fathers? Really? And our history over the past two and half centuries?

Really? He sees nothing unique in an America that fought and won two world wars and in victory sought not one inch of territory or one dollar of plunder? He sees nothing unique in an America that, though exhausted by conflict, still laid the foundation for security in Europe and Asia after World War II? He sees nothing unique in an America that prevailed against an evil ideology in the Cold War? Does he just see a country that has to be apologized for around the world, especially to dictators?

President Obama actually seems reluctant to even embrace American power. Earlier this year when he was asked about his faltering Middle East peace process, he said “whether we like it or not, we remain a dominant military superpower.” Whether we like it or not?! Really? Mr. President, this may come as news to you, but most Americans actually do like it. And so do our allies. They know it was our military might that liberated countless millions from tyranny, slavery, and oppression over the last 234 years. Yes, we do like it. As a dominant superpower, the United States has won wars hot and cold; our military has advanced the cause of freedom and kept authoritarian powers in check.

It is in America’s and the world’s best interests for our country to remain the dominant military superpower, but under President Obama’s leadership that dominance may be slipping away. It’s the result of an agenda that reeks of complacency and defeatism.

(I went on from there to talk about our need to end the negative, defeatist attitudes of those in leadership. I spoke further on American exceptionalism, and Willow and I ended a great evening with some great patriots. Sorry the media chose to report anything other than what actually happened at the event.)

- Sarah Palin

[00_Pete]

Bill Kristol...:D

Watch ANY interview with him on the Daily Show...even Jon Stewart treats him like a nobody...he is a nobody...

Here is one of Palin´s mentor:

"The Bible says that the wealth of the wicked is stored up for the righteous. It is high time that we have top Christian businessmen, businesswomen, bankers, you know, who are men and women of integrity, running the economics of our nations. That’s what we are waiting for. That’s part and parcel of transformation. If you look at the Israelites, you know, that’s how they were. And that’s how they are, even today. When we will see that, you know, the talk transport us in the lands. We see, you know, the bankers. We see the people holding the paths. They are believers. We will not have the kind of corruption that we are hearing in our societies." - Pastor Thomas Muthee, Wasilla Assembly of God, 2005

If this is not "going rogue" i dont know what is...the last one to mess with bankers was JFK, but this time they wont even dare :eek:

[Andrew Ryan]

Lol "lamestream"

[00_Pete]

Another Palin mentor, Rick Joyner (major player in the Third Wave movement):

"Presently, it is obvious that the government is not the solution but the main problem. It should not be this way, but it is. There is no reason why the government cannot be run with the same kind of efficiency and effectiveness that any business must be run with if it expects to survive, much less prosper. In fact, government should have an even higher standard because it is a sacred trust of the people. With sound management, our U.S. Government could be 25 percent of its present size, accomplishing much more than it does now. That should be our goal, and it is easily achievable within ten years.

For a century, our elected officials have been flailing at the branches of government inefficiency and waste, but the ax must be put to the root of the tree. There is radical change needed in the structure of government, from every bureau through every elected position. It would actually be a return to the original structure of the democracy established by the Founding Fathers, not a departure from it. Some might protest that this is not possible in the modern world, but in fact it would work even better in the modern world.

The Federal Government arrived at the present state of inefficiency and ineffectiveness in about a century, so it cannot be corrected overnight. However, it could easily be cut at least 10 percent a year over the next five years while dramatically improving the service of the government to the people. What kind of effect would that have on the economy? Several trillion more dollars a year would be flowing through the economy that is now going into the black hole of government mismanagement, which would make everything on our list easily achievable."

This are Palin´s true mentors and beleives...the rest is blah blah blah blah. She is playing politics and playing politics is all about blah blah blah blah blah...

[BlackTerrel]

I think she's definitely a neocon, but not necessarily a puppet. Some people genuinely believe that our overseas presence is a necessity.

Wait a minute - are you saying there are people who legitimately disagree with us and aren't paid to do so? Impossible :D

Seriously. If the only people who disagreed with us were paid puppets our job would be pretty easy. Here's a clue - some people actually have views that are different than yours.

[libertybrewcity]

yes she is.

perfect example. she was mccains running mate meaning she endorsed everything he campaigned on. she might be a little better than bush but she will still be as theocratic as bush. she reminds me of a michelle bachmann.

[anaconda]

Is this a rhetorical question? Of course Ms. Palin is a neocon agent. I wish she wasn't but she is. I had hoped she was a patriot soccer mom. Not even close. Let's not waste another moment on her.

[lynnf]

"Is Sarah Palin A Neocon Puppet?"


Does a bear shit in the woods?

actually, that should have been "does a mama grizzly do its business in the woods?"

:D

lynn

[payme_rick]

whether she's a puppet or not I'm not sure, but it does sound like she reads off of the script far too much...

[Lucille]

Bush in bra. /Carolus

[Imaginos]

"Is Sarah Palin A Neocon Puppet?"


Does a bear shit in the woods?
+1
You took the words right out of my mouth!
:D

[YumYum]

Sarah Palin told Charlie in an interview: "You NEVER question Israel."

That comment alone proves she is a puppet and an idiot.

[00_Pete]

yes she is.

perfect example. she was mccains running mate meaning she endorsed everything he campaigned on. she might be a little better than bush but she will still be as theocratic as bush. she reminds me of a michelle bachmann.

Running mates do what their told thats it. Bush a theocrat??? lol...


Is this a rhetorical question? Of course Ms. Palin is a neocon agent. I wish she wasn't but she is. I had hoped she was a patriot soccer mom. Not even close. Let's not waste another moment on her.

Want puppet? Try the guy on your avatar...now that is puppet. Read Antony Sutton´s "Trilaterals over America", Carter was one of the most manipulated US presidents ever.


+1
You took the words right out of my mouth!
:D

Is that your mouth speaking or that insane facist woman-hating butch-homosexual on your avatar speaking? :D


Sarah Palin told Charlie in an interview: "You NEVER question Israel."

That comment alone proves she is a puppet and an idiot.

She said that when it comes to Israel defending its security you dont second guess it. She never said "You NEVER question Israel". May i remind you that Ron Paul voted against a bill condemning Israel for attacking Osirak?

[friedenmeister]

yes

[heavenlyboy34]

She said that when it comes to Israel defending its security you dont second guess it. She never said "You NEVER question Israel". May i remind you that Ron Paul voted against a bill condemning Israel for attacking Osirak?

May I remind you that RP voted this way on Constitutional principle, not out of fondness for Israel? ;)

[someperson]

Among other things, she promotes the destructive philosophy of foreign and domestic interventionism. It doesn't matter if she's a puppet for Thomas Jefferson or labels her ideology, "Alaskanism." She's doing it wrong.

[seeker4sho]

"Is Sarah Palin A Neocon Puppet?"


Does a bear shit in the woods?

LOL, you beat me to it! That was my thought exactly :)

[00_Pete]

May I remind you that RP voted this way on Constitutional principle, not out of fondness for Israel? ;)

Exactly, a Constitutional principle that says that you dont have to second guess ANY country when it comes to defending their own security.

[Imaginos]

Is that your mouth speaking or that insane facist woman-hating butch-homosexual on your avatar speaking? :D

Is that all you got?
I survived much worse personal insults for the sin of questioning endless warfare state.
Try harder next time.
And do you have a problem with gay people? If so, why are you on the liberty/freedom movement web site? :confused:

[heavenlyboy34]

Is that all you got?
I survived much worse personal insults for the sin of questioning endless warfare state.
Try harder next time.
And do you have a problem with gay people? If so, why are you on the liberty/freedom movement web site? :confused:

A good question that could be asked of all the gay-bashers around here.

[heavenlyboy34]

Exactly, a Constitutional principle that says that you dont have to second guess ANY country when it comes to defending their own security.

:rolleyes: obvious troll is obvious.

[00_Pete]

Is that all you got?
I survived much worse personal insults for the sin of questioning endless warfare state.
Try harder next time.
And do you have a problem with gay people? If so, why are you on the liberty/freedom movement web site? :confused:

Your intellectualoid hero was a godless, syphilis-ridden, woman-hating, facist, militarist butch-homosexual (hence the fact he was the National-Socialists hero) and you are trying to give me leasons about liberty? :)

Besides i have the liberty of hating gays no? And History books clearly show that unchecked homosexuality alwasy degenerates into facism, militarism, repression of woman and feminine-homosexuals and pedastry (if not downright pedophilia)...homosexuality is the true enemy of freedom. Ancient Greece, Roman Empire, Weimar/Nazi Germany...3 out of 3 civilizations that accepted homosexuality ended up with their political class, arts/culture and military forces completly overrrun by facist, hyper-masculine, warmongering butch-homosexuals...what makes you think that this time it will be 3 out of 4?? Intel x86 micro-processors? Will this transistorized machine make us superior to the Greeks, Romans and Germans? :eek:

[payme_rick]

what the fuck

[someperson]

wow this is a joke, right? I hope you're being satirical

[Imaginos]

And History books clearly show that unchecked homosexuality alwasy degenerates into facism, militarism, repression of woman and feminine-homosexuals and pedastry (if not downright pedophilia)...homosexuality is the true enemy of freedom.
:eek:
Whooa, where did you come from? Westboro Baptist Church?

[YumYum]

She said that when it comes to Israel defending its security you dont second guess it. She never said "You NEVER question Israel". May i remind you that Ron Paul voted against a bill condemning Israel for attacking Osirak?

No, she said you don't question Israel about anything, period!

[00_Pete]

:eek:
Whooa, where did you come from? Westboro Baptist Church?

No but, as i pointed out before, WBC have their hearts in the right place. They have this over-the-top act to get attention from the media to try to warn you that Western Civilization is going the exact same way anciente Greece, Rome and Germany went. One WBC member has probably more General Culture and political awareness of what is really going on then literally 100 average Westerners. In case you havent noticed by "****" they just dont mean homosexuals...they mean the same "ones" that Alex Jones talk about...


No, she said you don't question Israel about anything, period!

No, she said "when it comes to security you dont second-guess Israel". If i am wrong please show it to me and i have no problem admiting that im wrong.

[YumYum]

No, she said "when it comes to security you dont second-guess Israel". If i am wrong please show it to me and i have no problem admiting that im wrong.

No, you are claiming I am wrong, so you show me. I saw the interview.

Do you think Sarah Palin, who is supposed to be against our government's wasteful spending, would agree to cutting off welfare for Israel? Hardly!!!

[00_Pete]

No, you are claiming I am wrong, so you show me. I saw the interview.

Do you think Sarah Palin, who is supposed to be against our government's wasteful spending, would agree to cutting off welfare for Israel? Hardly!!!

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=3

Now you show me your version...

[YumYum]

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5782924&page=3

Now you show me your version...

Wow! You are right! My apologies. She had reference to Israel's security. So, I guess she is just like Ron Paul on foreign issues. I totally had misunderstood her non-interventionist policies. Thanks for clearing that up!

[anaconda]

Want puppet? Try the guy on your avatar...now that is puppet. Read Antony Sutton´s "Trilaterals over America", Carter was one of the most manipulated US presidents ever.


I understand this and that's part of the choice for the avatar. You know, irony and silliness.

[anaconda]

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[charrob]

is she a neocon puppet?

...not sure if she's a puppet, but she's definitely a neocon.

I'm always on the fence as to how much of a puppet she is, and how many talking points are really her own. Below are her IQ and school records-- they've been passed around the web so not sure if they're truly legit., but if they are, that would lend credibility to her being a puppet rather than as someone calling the shots:


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs090.ash2/37833_143944835619142_100000108791083_437293_13007 76_n.jpg



http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs022.ash2/34446_143945008952458_100000108791083_437294_20194 51_n.jpg

[heavenlyboy34]

Even if this is true, this does not make her stupid. We all know that the pols are trained actors, and she could well be playing stupid sometimes. I'm open to the possibility that she's stupid, if someone can actually prove it (IQ tests and grades don't prove intelligence-read up on intelligence theory).


is she a neocon puppet?

...not sure if she's a puppet, but she's definitely a neocon.

I'm always on the fence as to how much of a puppet she is, and how many talking points are really her own. Below are her IQ and school records-- they've been passed around the web so not sure if they're truly legit., but if they are, that would lend credibility to her being a puppet rather than as someone calling the shots:


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs090.ash2/37833_143944835619142_100000108791083_437293_13007 76_n.jpg



http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs022.ash2/34446_143945008952458_100000108791083_437294_20194 51_n.jpg

[charrob]

(IQ tests and grades don't prove intelligence-read up on intelligence theory).


School grades might not, since tests are a result of how much one studies.

However, IQ is different: it's not something you can study for. And it's not knowledge that you've learned. It shows basic, raw ability.

83 is pretty low--

What does intelligence theory state about an IQ as low as 83?

[BlackTerrel]

Do you have a link to that IQ test to show it's legit? Anyone can just print something like that?

If true pretty fucked up they'd release it. I agree though 83 is very low.

[Distinguished Gentleman]

100 is average in America. 83 would indicate she would have trouble scoring high enough on entrance tests to make it into college. My guess is fake.

I think Todd was always the more political of the family, a former Buchananite, who favored seceding from the U.S. If not for career, I don't think Sarah would be very political. She's a pretty face of modest at best intelligence who is just now learning political issues. Everything she says seems measured to appeal to the broadest swath of the base. In 2006(or 7), She favored a time table for withdrawal from Iraq, but I guarantee she wouldn't say so now. Bottom line: shaky principles, wants to be liked, mal-informed, with instinctive leanings towards being a social paleo conservative. She would be a very less than ideal president. I'd still take her over anyone elected in recent history, on the off chance that she would do good things on accident.

[KramerDSP]

School grades might not, since tests are a result of how much one studies.

However, IQ is different: it's not something you can study for. And it's not knowledge that you've learned. It shows basic, raw ability.

83 is pretty low--

What does intelligence theory state about an IQ as low as 83?

Well, roughly 68 out of every 100 same-aged peers on an intellectual assessment such as the Wechsler would earn scores falling within the Average range (standard scores from 90 - 109 or 85 - 115, depending on the test). However, someone scoring in the Below Average range shouldn't be considered "pretty low". I would consider scores in the mid 70's and lower as more appropriate for that term.

IQ tests should never be the "end all be all". It largely depends on which test she was given (assuming it's all legit), because some have inflated measures, whereas others aren't as reliable or valid for specific populations such as minorities, visually impaired people or Deaf and hard of hearing people. Also, there are variables in play such as anxiety, fatigue, or impulsivity that can affect the performance of the person being assesed. IQ scores should only be used in combination with other information, including academic assessments, and never as a sole measure of someone's abilities. And they should be confidential, for precisely the reasons that the number itself can be very misleading and distorted. I hope that's a Photoshop.

I approach this from the perspective of someone who likes Gardner's Multiple G Theory. You'd be surprised at some of the parallels this theory has with Austrian economics in terms of criticism from others and the "common sense" factor. Check out a basic summary here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_multiple_intelligences) if you're interested.

[charrob]

Do you have a link to that IQ test to show it's legit? Anyone can just print something like that?

If true pretty fucked up they'd release it. I agree though 83 is very low.


...it was just being passed around facebook. i just looked and it's on snopes (ie. http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=37140 ).


i can't stand Sarah Palin, but if these records are true, then she deserves sympathy. And, in all honesty, these should not have been posted: even if they are true, i agree with others here that IQ tests are just one measure of ability and, by no means, representative of the whole person.

[YumYum]

...it was just being passed around facebook. i just looked and it's on snopes (ie. http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=37140 ).


i can't stand Sarah Palin, but if these records are true, then she deserves sympathy. And, in all honesty, these should not have been posted: even if they are true, i agree with others here that IQ tests are just one measure of ability and, by no means, representative of the whole person.

Do you think that she is brighter than George W. Bush?

[charrob]

If not for career, I don't think Sarah would be very political. She's a pretty face of modest at best intelligence who is just now learning political issues.

...agreed. one of the comments in the snopes link (mentioned above) suggests that the person thinks she's of avg. intelligence, however, just lacks any intellectual curiousity about anything (including politics, history, etc.).

If she's just now "learning" history, civics, and geography at 46 years of age, that seems to suggest that she's not doing it because she loves history, civics, and geography-- rather she's doing it for money and fame. imo that will never give her the kind of insight and wisdom so necessary to be the President.

[heavenlyboy34]

School grades might not, since tests are a result of how much one studies.

However, IQ is different: it's not something you can study for. And it's not knowledge that you've learned. It shows basic, raw ability.

83 is pretty low--

What does intelligence theory state about an IQ as low as 83?

I agree-multiple intelligence theory dismisses classical IQ scores in favor of multiple "types" of intelligence-such as social intelligence, spatial intelligence, etc. Long story, but it's interesting. Probably no more or less accurate than anything else. (there's not even a consensus on what "intelligence" really is among psychologists) Did you know Einstein's directional skills were so poor that when he left the house he kept change in his shoe to call his wife for directions home?

[Anti Federalist]

I'm the same age, born the same year, and, for what it's worth. I took the same test, only two years before that, in 1980, just before I quit school.

I want to say that it was a nationwide, standardized IQ test, as the result page looked exactly the same, and I took that in NJ, so maybe it's legit. I think I still have it kicking around, I'll look for it in some old papers.

Only difference between hers and mine? I scored 129. :p




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[charrob]

Do you think that she is brighter than George W. Bush?

YumYum i'm not sure... they seem to be about the same intelligence and, if i had to guess, both seem to be on the lower side of Average... But Palin scares me: her temperament is different: i think she could become belligerant, if given power i think she could become a control freak, and very well could start wars without much thought; i see her as being exceedingly dangerous. As much as I disliked Bush, he didn't seem to be that dangerous. What's your take on this?

Although I don't agree with him, Obama comes across as very intelligent, as does Ron Paul...:D

[TNforPaul45]

I'm the same age, born the same year, and, for what it's worth. I took the same test, only two years before that, in 1980, just before I quit school.

I want to say that it was a nationwide, standardized IQ test, as the result page looked exactly the same, and I took that in NJ, so maybe it's legit. I think I still have it kicking around, I'll look for it in some old papers.

Only difference between hers and mine? I scored 129. :p

Today, at an iq of 83, she is smarter than 90% of the American population.

We should have voted Palin in 2004!!! Yay flouride make brain in...my head...um...happy yay

I wanna go to hawaayeee yaaaaay

[Anti Federalist]

Today, at an iq of 83, she is smarter than 90% of the American population.

We should have voted Palin in 2004!!! Yay flouride make brain in...my head...um...happy yay

I wanna go to hawaayeee yaaaaay

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[charrob]

http://www.telepresenceoptions.com/images/tv_gallery_dees.jpg

Anti Federalist that's great :D .

[specsaregood]

School grades might not, since tests are a result of how much one studies.
However, IQ is different: it's not something you can study for. And it's not knowledge that you've learned. It shows basic, raw ability.
83 is pretty low--

While my IQ tested at 50 points higher than hers, she still beat me in the grades department. :o

I'm not too surprised if those are real, people with lower iq's are much easier to manipulate, makes sense. We clearly need to get some liberty-minded people close to her to manipulate her our way. Like the judge did on that freedom watch episode. :)

[charrob]

I'm not too surprised if those are real, people with lower iq's are much easier to manipulate, makes sense. We clearly need to get some liberty-minded people close to her to manipulate her our way. Like the judge did on that freedom watch episode. :)


...so that the Thread Title Question would instead be: "Is Sarah Palin A libertarian Puppet?" :p

[00_Pete]

charrob, your Palin Derangement Syndrome is so, but sooo bad, that you try to sell that BS "IQ Test" to people here knowing full well that that test has long been discredited. Even worst, when some here started to doubt that test, instead of saying the truth you are like: "ohhh i dont know if its true or not but it sure seems like it". Im not even going to post links because its just very sad when people even consider that that test might be true...

Here is my theory about you charrob, you know very well that Palin is nobodies puppet, that she is 100% anti-NWO and is even willing to go much further than Ron Paul or anyone out there, you are probably afraid of where she is coming from (Dominionist/Third Wave movement). And you are probably afraid and angry because the ONLY movement out there that has put foward the efford, the intellect, the courage, the organizational skills, the integrity and the altruism required to challenge and defeat the NWO is a religious movement and not a secular and/or libertarian one.

As for the rest of you guys...no offense but if you even consider that it may be true you dont have any kind of high-ground to question other´s intelligence. And you dont even use basic elementary tought process like: "If that test was true the media and intertainment industry would not let go of it just one minute..." Not even this basic elementary tought...

Really guys, leave the fight against the NWO to the pros and know your place.

PS - And dont make up personal BS IQ numbers it makes you look silly.

[00_Pete]

By the way...Rand and Schiff support for Israel? Doesnt that makes them "puppets"?? Hypocrites...

[Seraphim]

charrob, your Palin Derangement Syndrome is so, but sooo bad, that you try to sell that BS "IQ Test" to people here knowing full well that that test has long been discredited. Even worst, when some here started to doubt that test, instead of saying the truth you are like: "ohhh i dont know if its true or not but it sure seems like it". Im not even going to post links because its just very sad when people even consider that that test might be true...

Here is my theory about you charrob, you know very well that Palin is nobodies puppet, that she is 100% anti-NWO and is even willing to go much further than Ron Paul or anyone out there, you are probably afraid of where she is coming from (Dominionist/Third Wave movement). And you are probably afraid and angry because the ONLY movement out there that has put foward the efford, the intellect, the courage, the organizational skills, the integrity and the altruism required to challenge and defeat the NWO is a religious movement and not a secular and/or libertarian one.

As for the rest of you guys...no offense but if you even consider that it may be true you dont have any kind of high-ground to question other´s intelligence. And you dont even use basic elementary tought process like: "If that test was true the media and intertainment industry would not let go of it just one minute..." Not even this basic elementary tought...

Really guys, leave the fight against the NWO to the pros and know your place.

PS - And dont make up personal BS IQ numbers it makes you look silly.

While I think that Palin for the most part is well intentioned and "homegrown"- She just is not very smart. Her incredibly rapid ascent in the world of politics also makes me wonder who exactly is responsible for that and what she now owes them. While I do not know if she is a "neocon" or not, I think that she would be manipulated into doing the general bidding of the globalists-largely because she just is not very smart.

[00_Pete]

While I think that Palin for the most part is well intentioned and "homegrown"- She just is not very smart. Her incredibly rapid ascent in the world of politics also makes me wonder who exactly is responsible for that and what she now owes them. While I do not know if she is a "neocon" or not, I think that she would be manipulated into doing the general bidding of the globalists-largely because she just is not very smart.

Watch Thomas Muthee preaching about "wicked" bankers and finances.

Or check this from her facebook:

“Then we find out that (Kathy Griffin’s) agent is the brother of Obama’s chief of staff, you know, connecting the dots. Fortunately no one was home. (Griffin left a note).

She is talking about Ari Emanuel, agent of Kathy Griffin, Sasha Baron Cohen (belonged to a harcore socialist-zionist youth movement), Michael Moore and many other subversive pro-socialist intertainment-industry zombies/slaves...she knows how to connect the dots dont worry about her.

And its not the 1st 5th or 10th time she made some smart comments about show business and popular culture...once, there was a anti-Letterman rant that impressed me much, she called him a wierdo and pervert and I KNOW for a fact that its the truth and nothing but the truth...

YouTube - Dirk Benedict-Hollywood (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clNIswqFTFg)

Watch the whole thing but pay attention to 2:45 onwards and how a "voice" tells both of them to STFU. They were talking about Letterman (and others) and how they hire guys to take them "fishing" or "hiking" :D