Progressive manufactured 'counter tea party', 'one nation' to march Oct 12, etc.

[sailingaway]

Members include unions, la raza, the 'United States Student Association', etc.

They hope to counter the intensity of the tea party. Apparently they have no faith in the 'coffee party'.

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10192/1071984-84.stm?cmpid=nationworld.xml

[specsaregood]

Leaders of the groups have been meeting for about three months in a planning process that some participants called arduous, debating everything from the name of the coalition to what the branding and logo should look like.

Let's hope they argue over the logo and branding some more.
Style vs. Substance 2010....
or
Central Planning vs. Decentralization in 2010....

[liberalnurse]

My first thought was this has the potential to become violent. Which is something that never enters my mind when I think of tea parties or other marches I've been to. And we are the extreamist? My second thought was this doesn't even sound like fun. It just sounds opressive to me.

[hugolp]

My second thought was this doesn't even sound like fun. It just sounds opressive to me.

No. Violence is needed to impose good over earth. /s

[Golding]

It's tough to get people behind a dishonest movement unless you have someone really slick as the figurehead. Obama's campaign was marketable because he reads well from a script, but people following him didn't understand much what they were following. Just hoping for the best when promised change.

You can tell that the Tea Party movements are a lot more honest in their beliefs, since people are taking to the streets autonomously -- not to see some cult of personality. That's what those in power (through observation of the behavior of cable newz) are afraid of. They fear what they aren't in control of.

Manufactured counter-Tea Parties will be started and abandoned until they find something that sticks. The only success they might find is with those passively interested in just seeing what's going on. But it'll strengthen the resolve of the actual Tea Parties if they see well enough through the ploy.

[Isaac Bickerstaff]

Reminds me of a couple of bumper stickers I saw next to each other on a car:

"Democrats make good leaders; you're following one now"
"I don't think because I don't have to"

:eek::cool:

[MelissaWV]

"One Nation"... As an organization name, it sounds a bit sinister, along the lines of "dissenters will be shot."

Would the counter to the counter then be the "Many States" Party?

[sailingaway]

Melissa, I love it. And of course you hit the crux of the matter - the tea parties started from the bottom up, and still haven't coelesced at the top, but not having a head, can't easily be killed, either. This, like the initial huge pro amnesty marches is starting from organizers down to the plebes and the plebes are expected to just show up. Which they may, being union, but that doesn't make it that many individuals rising up in anger on their own, at all.

And tell me what you think the impact is going to be on the rest of the country to see a huge amnesty and spendthrift march a month before the elections?

Can we say blowback?

[osan]

Melissa, I love it. And of course you hit the crux of the matter - the tea parties started from the bottom up, and still haven't coelesced at the top, but not having a head, can't easily be killed, either. This, like the initial huge pro amnesty marches is starting from organizers down to the plebes and the plebes are expected to just show up. Which they may, being union, but that doesn't make it that many individuals rising up in anger on their own, at all.

And tell me what you think the impact is going to be on the rest of the country to see a huge amnesty and spendthrift march a month before the elections?

Can we say blowback?

Am I the only one who has noticed the cellular structure of the tea party? In this, it is perfect. Liberty cells all over the nation. The best thing the TP can do is make certain that a leadership is NOT coalesced at the top. That would constitute a major weakness, a point at which the organism may be co-opted.

There should be a process of consensus building between the cells and that consensus should ALWAYS be kept at the lowest levels possible. Do not let in any of the bullshit issues - abortion, gay marriage - it's all noise. People will believe what they want, so dispenser with distracting and divisive issues and focus on FREEDOM. Everything else is pure noise at this level of play. The KISS principle should be central here - Keep It Simple Stupid.

Without a clear leadership there is nobody specific to attack, just "the movement". I think that could prove very advantageous over the longer haul.

My plugged kopek's worth.

[PreDeadMan]

AH.. never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups! As long as the tea party people keep paying their taxes to their masters (the government) it doesn't matter how much they scream and dance around and hold up signs etc... what would shake up the establishment? Mass civil disobedience :) I think even Ron Paul would support that (in a peaceful matter that is)

[YumYum]

What evidence is there that these groups will cause civil disobedience? And if they do, aren't there some Libertarians who advocate civil disobedience?

I think this new movement is just a backlash to the success of the Tea Party movement.

[silverhandorder]

What evidence is there that these groups will cause civil disobedience? And if they do, aren't there some Libertarians who advocate civil disobedience?

I think this new movement is just a backlash to the success of the Tea Party movement.

No some one suggested in the thread that it will be violence not civil disobedience. Which is worse. But anyways I been reading Rothbard and Mises articles on history and socialist do tend to get violent when ever something does not go their way.

You are right it is a backlash to tea party. I think just like the coffee party it will fail miserably.

[silentshout]

Good for them for standing up for what they believe in. Doesn't bother me at all.

[catdd]

Someone enlighten me here. What do the Unions have in common with LaRaza and how does it benefit the Unions to have multitudes of cheap labor pouring in here? What's really going on?
These Unions are unlike our movement in that you can always follow the money trail straight to their agenda. Its always self-centered greed as the motivational factor.

[Annihilia]

Good for them for standing up for what they believe in. Doesn't bother me at all.

To me, this is more of a case of those groups securing their place within the existing system rather than "fighting for what they believe". There doesn't seem to be an underlying philosophy behind this.

My impression is that these are groups traditionally fighting for a piece of the pie uniting against those who want to take the pie away.

[KurtBoyer25L]

One Nation, that really does give me a shudder. Sounds like something out of a Rand novel. Led by One Small Voice.

[sailingaway]

Someone enlighten me here. What do the Unions have in common with LaRaza and how does it benefit the Unions to have multitudes of cheap labor pouring in here? What's really going on?
These Unions are unlike our movement in that you can always follow the money trail straight to their agenda. Its always self-centered greed as the motivational factor.

Always...http://www.fulldisclosure.net/Blogs/32.php

They are proposing international unions, and the more traditional unions are being told their unions will be bigger because they can organize those legalized, wheras otherwise the labor market will continue to be undermined. I'm not saying they should believe it, but that is the argument being used. AFL CIO leadership has come around to accept it with concessions, rank and file generally have not.

[nobody's_hero]

Their logo should be King George III chopping the head off of a Rattle snake with his boot and saying "Please almighty government, TREAD ON US!!!!"

[sailingaway]

To me, this is more of a case of those groups securing their place within the existing system rather than "fighting for what they believe". There doesn't seem to be an underlying philosophy behind this.

My impression is that these are groups traditionally fighting for a piece of the pie uniting against those who want to take the pie away.

oh yeah. They just 'need to compete' against the tea party attention, is the way they see it. But in OCTOBER??? Their concern should be much more on how they will impact the VOTERS at that point.

[catdd]

They are proposing international unions, and the more traditional unions are being told their unions will be bigger because they can organize those legalized, wheras otherwise the labor market will continue to be undermined. I'm not saying they should believe it, but that is the argument being used. AFL CIO leadership has come around to accept it with concessions, rank and file generally have not.

So they are shooting for a North American socialist takeover?

[Philhelm]

So they are shooting for a North American socialist takeover?

No, they're shooting for a North American...Union! :eek:

[catdd]

North American "Union"
I have been enlightened.