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Roxi
10-14-2007, 11:43 PM
ok some environmentalists have been accused of being crazy but im thinking this guy is totally off his rocker



http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200704/NAT20070418a.html





Group Calls for Population Control to Stop Global Warming
By Monisha Bansal
CNSNews.com Staff Writer
April 18, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - Ahead of Earth Day on Sunday, an advocacy group warned that the United States is ignoring "the most crucial factor in reducing global warming" -- population control.

"Human population growth is the paramount environmental issue," Ric Oberlink, a spokesman for Californians for Population Stabilization, told Cybercast News Service.

"Global warming is a very serious problem, but it is a subset of the overpopulation problem," he said.

Oberlink argued that an increase in the emission of "greenhouse gases" -- carbon dioxide and other gases blamed for climate change -- is a result of human activity, "like most environmental problems."

Although one part of the equation is what people do, he said, the other part is how many there are.

"If we had half as many people, we wouldn't have much of a climatic warming problem," argued Oberlink.

"Many have noted the disproportionate impact of America on greenhouse emissions and rightly called for reduced emissions. But it's hypocritical to say that the problem is that Americans consume too much and then say it doesn't matter how many Americans there are."

According to the population group, Americans are "by far the most voracious consumers and the greatest producers of greenhouse gases per capita of any nation on earth."

And the U.S. population, it says, "has been doubling every 40 years and is headed for one billion before the end of this century."

"No matter how clever and inventive human technology can be, it will be overwhelmed by the explosive multiplication of unrelenting population growth," asserted Randy Alcorn, a senior writing fellow at Californians for Population Stabilization.

"While it may be beneficial to replace incandescent light bulbs with fluorescent light bulbs, it would be more effective towards salvaging the planet to turn on light bulbs in minds darkened by political expediency and religious dogma," he said.

"Those who surrender reason to religious and political doctrine and push the rubble of their misguided convictions into the path of prudent population reduction policies are complicit in condemning an entire planet to doom," said Alcorn.

Oberlink criticized environmental groups for not addressing population growth.

"Today, major environmental groups seldom discuss population growth," he said. "They have become increasingly politically correct and increasingly ineffective in protecting the environment.

"It's easier to single out targets like Big Oil and Big Detroit instead of calling for changes in personal behavior or taking on a tough issue like population growth with its concomitant connection to volatile issues like immigration or access to birth control," Oberlink said.

Environmental Defense, the World Resources Institute and the Union of Concerned Scientists did not respond to invitations to react to the criticism of green campaign groups.

But pro-family organizations take issue with the population control arguments.

"While there is growing consensus that the earth is warming slightly, there is no consensus that humans are the main cause," the Family Research Council said in a statement.

"Those pushing global warming are proposing a radical agenda as the solution to a problem that is not yet fully understood," it said.

"In part, this solution calls for population control, which is code for abortions, condom distribution and mass sterilization," said the FRC.

RP4ME
10-15-2007, 01:29 AM
ok some environmentalists have been accused of being crazy but im thinking this guy is totally off his rocker



http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200704/NAT20070418a.html

Yeah I read about thsi guy...sinc ehe thinks its such a good idea he should offer himself up as being the first to go......

LibertyOfOne
10-15-2007, 01:48 AM
Wow these people don't do much research. The population of America is in the decline if you factor out all the people comming here. Europe is also in decline. It's just a fact of living in an post industrialized nation. People don't have as many children as they use to.

noxagol
10-15-2007, 07:11 AM
Wow these people don't do much research. The population of America is in the decline if you factor out all the people comming here. Europe is also in decline. It's just a fact of living in an post industrialized nation. People don't have as many children as they use to.

It has to do with education. An educated person is more likely to have fewer children than those that are uneducated. Want to control population, go around and find the dumbest shits you can and start to teach them things. Even simple stuff like being able to read and write is effective. It changes the way people think about themselves which is a huge impact on how many children they have. This is especially true for women. Educated women have far less children than uneducated women. So said my anthropology professor. That is one reason for the population in American and Europe to be in decline, we are more educated than other parts of the world.

Shiranu
10-15-2007, 07:27 AM
*cough*

LibertyOfOne
10-15-2007, 07:35 AM
:)

Roxi
10-15-2007, 02:14 PM
i agree with that but i think welfare is a factor here too. there tends to be a higher amount of uneducated people in the poorest areas of town, not usually by fault of their own. in these communities women with one child go out and work their butts off , they have one kid they get x amount in food stamps and TANF each month... a woman with 4 kids gets XXX amount in food stamps and so it becomes more benificial to her to quit her 5 dollar an hour job, stay home with 4 kids and bring in just about the same amount in welfare.

Im definitely not saying only stupid people are on welfare. being a single mom i too have had to take advantage of what i could in the past, I have only one child and make too much now to qualify, but the lady down the street has 4 kids sits on her ass all day, collects 550 a month in food stamps and gets 800 a month in child support, then she collects TANF which im not sure exactly the specifics but its somewhere around 400 a month shes getting from that. so she of course has very few luxuries and can't afford extracurricular activities for her 4 kids so they sit at home all day watching tv and playing nintendo... oh also, they are all very obese.


welfare is ruining america, sheeple really are afraid to do it on their own with no help from the government, what kind of world do we live in when the government makes it more worthwhile to sit on your ass than go out and get a job

constituent
10-15-2007, 02:53 PM
^ what you're hitting on is the post-industrialization issue...

just headed up the other side of the road. the problem is that
when your (labor) economy is concentrated in the service sector,
people have to start paying more for their services, otherwise the
economy is going to suck. those who can afford services will begin
paying more for them. those who cannot afford services, will be
busy serving those who can... or on welfare.