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JohnEngland
07-10-2010, 02:48 AM
Not sure anyone has picked up on this but I thought it might engender some interesting thoughts on the first amendment, free speech and various philosophical ideas.

Basically, the professor gets fired because I whiny student doesn't like that he dares to challenge the authority of the homosexual agenda, in an email to students before their exam. The email is a good read:

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/religion/2010-07-09/e-mail-prompted-complaint-over-ui-religion-class-instructor.html

My favourite part:


Catholics don't arrive at their moral conclusions based on their religion. They do so based on a thorough understanding of natural reality.

This is true. Many people confuse Catholic thought as simply "religion" but it's not. Ask Thomas Woods or Judge Napolitano. Catholic social teaching is based on natural law and reason.

This forms part of the faith, so to simply dismiss the whole of Catholicism as "superstition" is to lack a fundamental understanding of Catholicism. This is the danger of grouping different religions together under the same banner and, quite frankly, why I can't take neo-atheists like Richard Dawkins seriously.

ScoutsHonor
07-10-2010, 03:07 AM
Fascinating; I had no idea that Catholicism was so logic-based. :)

However, it's logical that this excellent teacher would be fired, for we live now in a land that hates reason, sad to say.

However, just hearing about this professor has really made my day, so thanks for posting.

:)

erowe1
07-10-2010, 08:18 AM
Not sure anyone has picked up on this but I thought it might engender some interesting thoughts on the first amendment, free speech and various philosophical ideas.

Basically, the professor gets fired because I whiny student doesn't like that he dares to challenge the authority of the homosexual agenda, in an email to students before their exam. The email is a good read:

http://www.news-gazette.com/news/religion/2010-07-09/e-mail-prompted-complaint-over-ui-religion-class-instructor.html

My favourite part:



This is true. Many people confuse Catholic thought as simply "religion" but it's not. Ask Thomas Woods or Judge Napolitano. Catholic social teaching is based on natural law and reason.

This forms part of the faith, so to simply dismiss the whole of Catholicism as "superstition" is to lack a fundamental understanding of Catholicism. This is the danger of grouping different religions together under the same banner and, quite frankly, why I can't take neo-atheists like Richard Dawkins seriously.

I'm really not too familiar with all this, but I'm not sure that the concept of natural law as understood in Catholic theology is the same as what is normally associated with classical liberalism.

TheTyke
07-10-2010, 09:18 AM
It's a shame he was fired... Universities play a role in shaping and spreading ideas, and often act as tools to shape the political landscape we find ourselves faced with - and suppress real discussion and learning.

The reason I chose to be a Catholic was because there is a logical reason for everything we believe. When I was 13 and first got on the internet, my beliefs were challenged extensively, but each challenge seemed wanting in logic, and I ended up more confident in Catholicism than I had been to begin with.

And although I'm no great philosopher or theologian, it's my understanding that people were created with Free Will that inspires me to fight for liberty. Leading by example or explanation is commendable, but the use of Force (government or otherwise) to take away Free Will is repugnant.

silentshout
07-10-2010, 10:25 AM
Well, that's sad that he was fired. Why can't people tolerate diversity of opinion? I'm not religious at all and this still bothers me.

YumYum
07-10-2010, 10:41 AM
: "Natural Moral Theory says that if we are to have healthy sexual lives, we must return to a connection between procreation and sex. Why? Because that is what is REAL. It is based on human sexual anatomy and physiology. Human sexuality is inherently unitive and procreative. If we encourage sexual relations that violate this basic meaning, we will end up denying something essential about our humanity, about our feminine and masculine nature."

That is why I am against porn that have men wearing condoms.

jbrace
07-10-2010, 11:20 AM
Where can one find some articles
online about natural law?

NYgs23
07-10-2010, 02:40 PM
Even if you disagree with this professor, pretty much every comment in the comment section opposing him (and several agreeing with him) completely failed to address his actual arguments. Why can't people focus what the person's actually saying and talk about it in a calm and logical manner.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-11-2010, 11:32 AM
Fascinating; I had no idea that Catholicism was so logic-based. :)

However, it's logical that this excellent teacher would be fired, for we live now in a land that hates reason, sad to say.

However, just hearing about this professor has really made my day, so thanks for posting.

:)

According to Friedrich Nietrzsche, it is because of logic that the people do things against their best interest. So, he developed something called "perspectivism.
The Muslims are the ones who redeveloped Aristotle and "logic." The Catholics then discovered Aristotle from them in the 12th century. Really, the true Christians disappeared in the 4th century and reappeared in the 15th through Martin Luther. From 300 BCE until Martin Luther, the Christian faith fell under the power of the Catholic "religion."
Before Martin Luther exposed how corrupt the leadership had become in Catholicism, Galileo was the first to show that there was a problem.
Natural law came about because of Galileo showing how faulty Aristotle's use of logic had been.

Uncle Emanuel Watkins
07-11-2010, 11:45 AM
Where can one find some articles
online about natural law?

Mathematics played the part of science in Western Europe at first as Aristotle's science and logic was not discovered there Europe until sometime in the 12th to 13th century BCE. This knowledge was obtained by way of the Holy wars with the Muslims who were the actual people who dug up the forgotten Aristotle. When Galileo later demonstrated how Aristotle's use of logic was faulty, this led to the development of Natural Law.
Natural Laws were truths obtained by reducing evidential terms down to a level which is undeniable. As the evidence of these truths were written in terms that were incomprehensible, then an analysis had to be presented along with the evidence which could not be misconstrued, misunderstood, or misinterpreted by the human mind. This is where linguistics came from.
Just imagine how difficult it was to understand a truth without having opposing theories to challenge it?. Even to this day, the natural laws established by Newton have never been overturned by opposing theories. Einstein did not challenge the validity of Newton, but he challenge his "universal" point of view with his more "relative" point of view.
Einstein later claimed that neither point of view is invalid.

NYgs23
07-11-2010, 12:07 PM
...the true Christians disappeared in the 4th century and reappeared in the 15th through Martin Luther. From 300 BCE until Martin Luther, the Christian faith fell under the power of the Catholic "religion."

Really? That's curious. So God, after promising that the gates of hell would not prevail against the Church, let the Church die out for 1200 years and then decided to have a second revelation through Martin Luther? And on what claim of authority did Martin Luther base his newfound truth? Was it the Bible, the one that had been codified, canonized, and brought down through the centuries by the Catholic Church? Odd, if he didn't trust the Church, why would he trust the Scripture that he received from the Church?


Before Martin Luther exposed how corrupt the leadership had become in Catholicism, Galileo was the first to show that there was a problem.

So Galileo predates Martin Luther?


Natural law came about because of Galileo showing how faulty Aristotle's use of logic had been.

Aristotle was one of the originators the concept of natural law, which was further developed by Medieval scholars like Thomas Aquinas. Galileo was an astronomer who helped disprove the geocentric model of the solar system that had been accepted by most ancients. What are you talking about?