What happened to all the donors in here?

[Michigan11]

Under the radar of most, he has re-invented the wheel(elected office) in which he currently holds, state rep. He is posting every vote and why as it happens on Facebook, which all of his constituents and others around the country can view and see how he votes. This serves so many purposes it's ridiculous. It educates, and builds awareness, self-promotes to hold office, and keeps us all involved in what is going on... just to name a few.


I'm donating because Justin has already proven himself, that he can win and you can trust him by his past voting record. There is no other candidates like this running.. Rand Paul is awesome, but besides him who in this country have we been supporting and how can this movement grow, if we aren't winning other races?

If we don't support and donate to him.... what does that say?

If you don't have the money, could you spread the word?

If you do have money to donate, then why wait?

I have alot of respect for some on this forum but this place needs to grow and spur activism once again.

In Liberty,

Time to cut the bullsh$$

[biles1234]

Under the radar of most, he has re-invented the wheel(elected office) in which he currently holds, state rep. He is posting every vote and why as it happens on Facebook, which all of his constituents and others around the country can view and see how he votes. This serves so many purposes it's ridiculous. It educates, and builds awareness, self-promotes to hold office, and keeps us all involved in what is going on... just to name a few.


I'm donating because Justin has already proven himself, that he can win and you can trust him by his past voting record. There is no other candidates like this running.. Rand Paul is awesome, but besides him who in this country have we been supporting and how can this movement grow, if we aren't winning other races?

If we don't support and donate to him.... what does that say?

If you don't have the money, could you spread the word?

If you do have money to donate, then why wait?

I have alot of respect for some on this forum but this place needs to grow and spur activism once again.

In Liberty,

Time to cut the bullsh$$


WORD.


The ignorance many of you have shown Justin Amash's campaign is shocking IMO. Justin is without a doubt, the best (maybe only) chance we have at getting a liberty candidate elected in the House of Representatives.

Ron Paul called him "one of the most principled leaders" he has seen in a generation. Could Ron give any more of a glowing endorsement?!

Coming from West Michigan, I can tell you that he is in a dead heat for first place and needs our help!

[Dark Aerow]

Excellent post.

Justin has run a top notch campaign while being a refreshing voice for small limited transparent government. It's a close 3 way race for an open seat...only need to win the primary as this is a strong republican district and the democratic challenger wont have a chance.

[brandon]

I realized that every dollar I have is better spent acquiring wealth for myself than donating it to a politician who won't change anything.

Lets see....I could get myself a house, 401k, car, gold, emergency savings, and take a few vacations, or I could forgo all that and give my money to some self-promoting politician who probably won't win anyway. Not a tough decision.

[Bergie Bergeron]

I realized that every dollar I have is better spent acquiring wealth for myself than donating it to a politician who won't change anything.

Lets see....I could get myself a house, 401k, car, gold, emergency savings, and take a few vacations, or I could forgo all that and give my money to some self-promoting politician who probably won't win anyway. Not a tough decision.
Ron Paul did a lot in Congress by himself, imagine with Justin.

[low preference guy]

I realized that every dollar I have is better spent acquiring wealth for myself than donating it to a politician who won't change anything.

Lets see....I could get myself a house, 401k, car, gold, emergency savings, and take a few vacations, or I could forgo all that and give my money to some self-promoting politician who probably won't win anyway. Not a tough decision.

The thread title makes it sounds like RPF is some sort of donations club. Brandon's response is well deserved.

[Dark Aerow]

So thats how quickly everyone moves back toward apathy?

[biles1234]

I realized that every dollar I have is better spent acquiring wealth for myself than donating it to a politician who won't change anything.

Lets see....I could get myself a house, 401k, car, gold, emergency savings, and take a few vacations, or I could forgo all that and give my money to some self-promoting politician who probably won't win anyway. Not a tough decision.

Brandon, it's not a zero-sum game, first of all.

You can have all of those things AND MORE, while still donating even a few dollars to a candidate.

If this candidate happens to be a liberty candidate, they could further enhance your opportunities to acquire wealth.....hence why people donate money to campaigns.

[Jordan]

People are burnt out from trying far too hard to win seats that are simply unattainable.

1) Medina looked like she had at least some chance, donors threw down heavily, she went down in flames.

2) Kokesh took in $200,000...didn't come close, despite saying in the final days that there was a chance at winning. (Still kinda pissed about that. Sorry, but if you're going to say you have a chance at winning to suck in donor support, you better not lose by 50+ points.)

3) Schiff has taken in over $2 million, but doesn't have a chance with all of McMahon's money.

4) BJ Lawson may be a little underfunded, as a least 1 chance in hell at winning, but he's running to pick up republican votes in a district that is largely democrat. Not much of a chance there either.

[Michigan11]

The thread title makes it sounds like RPF is some sort of donations club. Brandon's response is well deserved.

Donation's club? Aren't we considered activists in the liberty cause? Isn't this where we further candidates and the philosophy of freedom/liberty? Donations being one part of it...

Did I imply by stating "donors" that we are all part of a donations club? I dono, but come on... I'm aware most aren't donating ever and some not even voting, some who knows, but we are looking at an exceptional candidate with a rare opportunity here to get a seat.

[Dark Aerow]

People are burnt out from trying far too hard to win seats that are simply unattainable.

1) Medina looked like she had at least some chance, donors threw down heavily, she went down in flames.

2) Kokesh took in $200,000...didn't come close, despite saying in the final days that there was a chance at winning. (Still kinda pissed about that. Sorry, but if you're going to say you have a chance at winning to suck in donor support, you better not lose by 50+ points.)

3) Schiff has taken in over $2 million, but doesn't have a chance with all of McMahon's money.

4) BJ Lawson may be a little underfunded, as a least 1 chance in hell at winning, but he's running to pick up republican votes in a district that is largely democrat. Not much of a chance there either.

Justin Amash has none of these things hindering him. No reason we can't easily win this one.

[low preference guy]

Donation's club? Aren't we considered activists in the liberty cause? Isn't this where we further candidates and the philosophy of freedom/liberty? Donations being one part of it...

Did I imply by stating "donors" that we are all part of a donations club? I dono, but come on... I'm aware most aren't donating ever and some not even voting, some who knows, but we are looking at an exceptional candidate with a rare opportunity here to get a seat.

i think the thread title comes across as pushy and whiny. that might (or might not) turn off some people. i personally don't think it's the best way to request money. even a "Please Donate, we have a great opportunity", or something like that would be better.

[libertybrewcity]

Under the radar of most, he has re-invented the wheel(elected office) in which he currently holds, state rep. He is posting every vote and why as it happens on Facebook, which all of his constituents and others around the country can view and see how he votes. This serves so many purposes it's ridiculous. It educates, and builds awareness, self-promotes to hold office, and keeps us all involved in what is going on... just to name a few.


I'm donating because Justin has already proven himself, that he can win and you can trust him by his past voting record. There is no other candidates like this running.. Rand Paul is awesome, but besides him who in this country have we been supporting and how can this movement grow, if we aren't winning other races?

If we don't support and donate to him.... what does that say?

If you don't have the money, could you spread the word?

If you do have money to donate, then why wait?

I have alot of respect for some on this forum but this place needs to grow and spur activism once again.

In Liberty,

Time to cut the bullsh$$

yea, there are more candidates than just amash you have to remember. Lots of candidates to fund. Ill try to scrounge some cash together for ya though.

[Jordan]

Justin Amash has none of these things hindering him. No reason we can't easily win this one.

I know, I'm all over Amash. I think he's the best thing since sliced bread and our only chance for victory save for Rand.

What I listed were just reasons why the donations have slowed, not why people shouldn't donate to him. ;)

[Dark Aerow]

i think the thread title comes across as pushy and whiny. that might (or might not) turn off some people. i personally don't think it's the best way to request money. even a "Please Donate, we have a great opportunity", or something like that would be better.

Well...thats pretty much what we've been saying. For the last few days...maybe you missed MrOcKeDs thread: http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=252047

Don't mean to come across as pushy or whiny...it's just a little frustrating.

[Michigan11]

i think the thread title comes across as pushy and whiny. that might (or might not) turn off some people. i personally don't think it's the best way to request money. even a "Please Donate, we have a great opportunity", or something like that would be better.

Let me say that this thread was a means to make a statement, not to request donations for the cause.

[low preference guy]

Let me say that this thread was a means to make a statement, not to request donations for the cause.

that's very useful.

[chadhb]

I will donate to Ron Paul 2012.

[Son of Detroit]

If I wasn't a lowly high schooler with no job, no credit card, and no money period, I'd be glad to donate.

Sadly, that's not the case.

[Michigan11]

that's very useful.

:D .... Yeah, you're probably right.

[Uriel999]

Maybe some of us are unemployed and broke?! :eek:

[tpreitzel]

Members are simply saying that candidates need to find local sources for these money bombs. Sure, members here will help as well, but depending primarily on members of RPFs to support money bombs of worthy candidates will continue to fail. I've been rightfully critical of money bombs several times a month for years. Frankly, one money bomb per month is about maximum for many potential donors. Lastly, no we don't need to support only those candidates who have the best shot according to some poll. As I've said in the past, I view my donations as an investment in our future. Although, I'd like to see the fruit of my donations producing immediate results, i.e. candidates winning elections, it's a childish and immature view with little bearing in reality.

If one can afford to donate to Justin, do so. Upsets do occur.

[Vessol]

I donate when I can, but more often than not my finances are very tight.

[libertarian4321]

WORD.


The ignorance many of you have shown Justin Amash's campaign is shocking IMO. Justin is without a doubt, the best (maybe only) chance we have at getting a liberty candidate elected in the House of Representatives.


I think Ron Paul is out best chance for getting a liberty candidate elected to the House.

[libertarian4321]

People are burnt out from trying far too hard to win seats that are simply unattainable.

1) Medina looked like she had at least some chance, donors threw down heavily, she went down in flames.

2) Kokesh took in $200,000...didn't come close, despite saying in the final days that there was a chance at winning. (Still kinda pissed about that. Sorry, but if you're going to say you have a chance at winning to suck in donor support, you better not lose by 50+ points.)

3) Schiff has taken in over $2 million, but doesn't have a chance with all of McMahon's money.

4) BJ Lawson may be a little underfunded, as a least 1 chance in hell at winning, but he's running to pick up republican votes in a district that is largely democrat. Not much of a chance there either.

You have to look at each case and decide if you want to send money just to make a statement (in cases where there is no realistic chance) or if you want to limit your donations only to candidates that at least have a shot.

Medina was a long shot, but was gaining momentum in a big way had a chance until she shot herself in the foot on the Truther question (I almost drove my truck off the road when I heard that interview), so I supported her. Kokesh was never even a long shot in my opinion (I sent him a little money just because I think he's a good guy, not because I thought he had any chance).

Schiff is also hopeless- even if he manages to pull off the biggest miracle in political history and win the Rep. nomination, he'll get steam rollered in the general election. You've got to remember, he's running in CONNECTICUT, not Texas or Kentucky- the only way a Republican can win state wide election in CT is to be VERY "moderate." Extreme conservative views (fiscal or social) just don't fly in the northeast. BTW, that applies to statewide Republican primaries in those states, as well as the general.

Lawson might have a slim chance only because I think there is going to be a large anti-incumbent and anti-Dem shift this fall, but he still has a really tough road ahead.

[Jordan]

You have to look at each case and decide if you want to send money just to make a statement (in cases where there is no realistic chance) or if you want to limit your donations only to candidates that at least have a shot.

Medina was a long shot, but was gaining momentum in a big way had a chance until she shot herself in the foot on the Truther question (I almost drove my truck off the road when I heard that interview), so I supported her. Kokesh was never even a long shot in my opinion (I sent him a little money just because I think he's a good guy, not because I thought he had any chance).

Schiff is also hopeless- even if he manages to pull off the biggest miracle in political history and win the Rep. nomination, he'll get steam rollered in the general election. You've got to remember, he's running in CONNECTICUT, not Texas or Kentucky- the only way a Republican can win state wide election in CT is to be VERY "moderate." Extreme conservative views (fiscal or social) just don't fly in the northeast. BTW, that applies to statewide Republican primaries in those states, as well as the general.

Lawson might have a slim chance only because I think there is going to be a large anti-incumbent and anti-Dem shift this fall, but he still has a really tough road ahead.


I supported Medina as well, she was a rising star until she left it open about the Truther ordeal to someone who is the most anti-truther in the world.

The whole idea of "sending a message" is absolutely absurd. The only "message" most of the liberty candidates send is that they can't win elections, then time and time again we have our candidates get their asses handed to them which only promotes the "he can't win" idea for all future candidates.

We need to start getting serious about cost/benefits. One outspoken person in the house is worth 4093942 losing candidates. Ron Paul is all over TV because of his views. Alan Grayson, who is a practical nobody, is outspoken enough that he gets hours of air time each week to spread his message.

If we really want to send a message, we're going to have to start winning.

[angelatc]

People are burnt out from trying far too hard to win seats that are simply unattainable.



2) Kokesh took in $200,000...didn't come close, despite saying in the final days that there was a chance at winning. (Still kinda pissed about that. Sorry, but if you're going to say you have a chance at winning to suck in donor support, you better not lose by 50+ points.)





Kokesh's finish broke my heart too. But he's still out there talking the talk and moving forward. If he can, I certainly can too.

You're breaking my heart. Nobody said this would be easy or fast. We've already done better than the Libertarian Party ever has, and they've been trying for 20 years. It took the socialists more than 150 years to make their inroads. They lost elections, they were outlawed, SCOTUS ruled their plans illegal. But they never, ever stopped.

Amash is running is a heavily GOP district and he has the cooperation of the party, not to mention the endorsement of the DeVos family, which is incredibly important here in Michigan.

Watching all of you decide to throw in the towel now is horrifying. I thought we were stronger than that.

You're right - we need to start winning. And we did, with Rand Paul.

Every single one of our losses is a lesson.

[MelissaWV]

This donor is currently bled dry. Come back another time.

I sympathize with your plight, but I have bigger (personal) fish to fry.

YouTube - Airplane II william shatner losing it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nY7VF-3g5I&feature=related)

[angelatc]

You have to look at each case and decide if you want to send money just to make a statement (in cases where there is no realistic chance) or if you want to limit your donations only to candidates that at least have a shot.

Medina was a long shot, but was gaining momentum in a big way had a chance until she shot herself in the foot on the Truther question (I almost drove my truck off the road when I heard that interview), so I supported her. Kokesh was never even a long shot in my opinion (I sent him a little money just because I think he's a good guy, not because I thought he had any chance).

Schiff is also hopeless- even if he manages to pull off the biggest miracle in political history and win the Rep. nomination, he'll get steam rollered in the general election. You've got to remember, he's running in CONNECTICUT, not Texas or Kentucky- the only way a Republican can win state wide election in CT is to be VERY "moderate." Extreme conservative views (fiscal or social) just don't fly in the northeast. BTW, that applies to statewide Republican primaries in those states, as well as the general.

Lawson might have a slim chance only because I think there is going to be a large anti-incumbent and anti-Dem shift this fall, but he still has a really tough road ahead.

Again, Amash has none of this baggage though! He is probably one of best shots in this whole thing - that's what we're finding this so frustrating.

[angelatc]

If one can afford to donate to Justin, do so. Upsets do occur.

A win by him isn't an upset. That's what we're saying here. He's already incredibly popular with the base.

[Jordan]

Every single one of our losses is a lesson.

I couldn't agree more. But we don't ever learn. We can't run against people with 10 times our resources, and we can't run in congressional districts that are completely against us.

Amash, unfortunately, isn't earning a bit of attention here. He's probably the best candidate we have, even a tad bit better than Rand Paul, Ron's freakin' son.

Amash has an amazing shot to take this thing, and he really only has to win the primary then disappear until November. Nevermind that Amash is running a house race, already a fraction of the cost for even an easy senate victory.

We need to put some points on the board. We need to support Amash.

[tpreitzel]

A win by him isn't an upset. That's what we're saying here. He's already incredibly popular with the base.

Fine. Regardless, I view donations as an investment in our future. If Justin wins, fine. If he loses, we still likely win ... just a bit further down the road. ;)

[KCIndy]

Maybe some of us are unemployed and broke?! :eek:

This!


This donor is currently bled dry. Come back another time.

I sympathize with your plight, but I have bigger (personal) fish to fry.



And this!!


Seriously, people. Let's try to look at things from a dispassionate perspective. In '07 and '08 we were simply throwing money bombs for Ron Paul. During the last 12 months, there have been money bombs organized by/for... HOW MANY candidates?? :eek::eek: Has anyone compiled a list? In no particular order, I remember money bomb pushes for Kokesh, Medina, Devore, Harris, Amash, Brogdon, Schiff, Rand Paul, BJ Lawson, Dennis, Towne, and God knows who else. Feel free to add to the list.

In the meantime, how many of us here on RPF have lost jobs, taken pay cuts, or run a business that's been hit by rough financial times? Personally, I know that I don't have a quarter of the disposable income I had back in '07 and '08 when we were doing the Ron Paul money bombs - raising money for just one candidate.

Times are tough, and money is tight for a lot of us. I know each and every money bomb has been organized by those who are really and truly supporting their favorite candidate. That's admirable. I would just urge everyone not to take offense if your candidate doesn't raise a zillion bucks.

It's not lack of interest. In most cases, I think it's just lack of cash.

:(

[angelatc]

Times are tough, and money is tight for a lot of us. I know each and every money bomb has been organized by those who are really and truly supporting their favorite candidate. That's admirable. I would just urge everyone not to take offense if your candidate doesn't raise a zillion bucks.

It's not lack of interest. In most cases, I think it's just lack of cash.

:(

That's fine, obviously you should support candidates you support. But I've given donations to other candidates here because it was important to my internet friends that I do so, and I am admittedly disappointed by the lack of reciprocity.

[YumYum]

3) Schiff has taken in over $2 million, but doesn't have a chance with all of McMahon's money.

This I don't get. As a college student I contributed money to Schiff's campaign; money that was for living expenses. How come he won't put up his own money? Ross Perot did, and he could have won had he not dropped out. How can Schiff be so tight with his money? Did he know he can't win, but by running he is promoting his investment company, Euro Pacific? Peter is about making money; not politics. I feel let down.

[erowe1]

This I don't get. As a college student I contributed money to Schiff's campaign; money that was for living expenses. How come he won't put up his own money?

He has put up his own money. I forget how much, but it was in the hundreds of thousands.

How much more should he put up? He can't match McMahon in self-funding. Ross Perot's net worth was hundreds of times what Schiff's is.

[YumYum]

He has put up his own money. I forget how much, but it was in the hundreds of thousands.

How much more should he put up? He can't match McMahon in self-funding. Ross Perot's net worth was hundreds of times what Schiff's is.

Peter is a multi-millionaire. Last year he netted over 17 million, so a couple hundred thousand is chump change for him. I sent him my food and gas money.

[erowe1]

Peter is a multi-millionaire. Last year he netted over 17 million, so a couple hundred thousand is chump change for him. I sent him my food and gas money.

He netted over 17 million last year in his personal income? Wow. He's wealthier than I thought.

[brandon]

Peter is a multi-millionaire. Last year he netted over 17 million, so a couple hundred thousand is chump change for him. I sent him my food and gas money.

Now are you starting to understand politics?


Next time keep your money.

[angelatc]

Now are you starting to understand politics?


Next time keep your money.

That's a horrible thing to say.

Politics is largely about who can raise the most money. If you're not going to do anything except tell other people all their efforts are all in vain, why are you even posting here?

Two years ago we would have been elated at a single victory. Now you're crying because we can't win them all?

[ctiger2]

He netted over 17 million last year in his personal income? Wow. He's wealthier than I thought.

IIRC his NET worth is 17. He didn't make 17 last year alone.

[erowe1]

IIRC his NET worth is 17. He didn't make 17 last year alone.

OK. That makes a difference.

[Chieppa1]

Broke. From getting Rand the primary. Is that okay?

[YumYum]

IIRC his NET worth is 17. He didn't make 17 last year alone.

Thanks for the correction. Is there a link you could provide? Now, I don't feel so bad.:)

[Promontorium]

Under the radar of most, he has re-invented the wheel(elected office) in which he currently holds, state rep. He is posting every vote and why as it happens on Facebook, which all of his constituents and others around the country can view and see how he votes. This serves so many purposes it's ridiculous. It educates, and builds awareness, self-promotes to hold office, and keeps us all involved in what is going on... just to name a few.


I'm donating because Justin has already proven himself, that he can win and you can trust him by his past voting record. There is no other candidates like this running.. Rand Paul is awesome, but besides him who in this country have we been supporting and how can this movement grow, if we aren't winning other races?

If we don't support and donate to him.... what does that say?

If you don't have the money, could you spread the word?

If you do have money to donate, then why wait?

I have alot of respect for some on this forum but this place needs to grow and spur activism once again.

In Liberty,

Time to cut the bullsh$$


I don't owe you, or whoever the hell Justin is a god damn penny. I don't like your attitude. Find new donors. Money means absolutely nothing if you can't get a majority. Ron Paul, Kokesh, Medina, and others. We have nothing but losers. No one has won a seat with our "Revolution". As I thank other's to stick it out anyway, I'll thank you to not think you or your guy is in any way entitled to my money. And I'm god damn sure I'm not "ignorant" for not going broke for people that will never represent me.

[devil21]

I could write a couple pages on this thread about how RPF can't be the sole money support (or even grassroots support) for every Liberty candidate that decides to run for every office from Sheriff to President. These candidates have to start gaining support from within their local communities and *gag* from the GOP. Easier said than done, maybe, but it's also a gauge of the movement's progress. We're still in the beginning stages...

Having said that, I just dropped Amash a ten-spot for the effort. I believe in karma so if nothing else, I'll earn some positive karma points for helping his campaign whether he wins or loses. (Fwiw, I don't think anyone here is so broke that they can't chip in a ten-spot though.)

[Jordan]

I don't owe you, or whoever the hell Justin is a god damn penny. I don't like your attitude. Find new donors. Money means absolutely nothing if you can't get a majority. Ron Paul, Kokesh, Medina, and others. We have nothing but losers. No one has won a seat with our "Revolution". As I thank other's to stick it out anyway, I'll thank you to not think you or your guy is in any way entitled to my money. And I'm god damn sure I'm not "ignorant" for not going broke for people that will never represent me.

Who are you, Mr. internet tough guy?

The point of the OP was that the best chance we have to actually win is with Amash who has poll numbers, support, and an awesome voting record in the state senate.

He has everything this "revolution" should be looking for, but is being looked over for candidates that don't have nearly the same credentials as he does.

Kokesh could only wish to have the poll numbers Amash had. Besides, Kokesh misrepresented his poll numbers to suck more money into a losing campaign. Medina was a long shot, made to even a greater long shot after the truther ordeal. Ron Paul will always be a long shot in the republican party, but he's getting somewhere. Schiff has a very, very long shot chance at winning, but even if he wins he said he only wants one term....not a very good ROI.

If Amash wins the primary, he wins the general, its that simple. He's our best shot minus Rand Paul of actually winning something.

[Jordan]

I could write a couple pages on this thread about how RPF can't be the sole money support (or even grassroots support) for every Liberty candidate that decides to run for every office from Sheriff to President. These candidates have to start gaining support from within their local communities and *gag* from the GOP.

Amash has support from his local constituents, and Club for Growth (Jim Demint), among others.

He's no Kokesh or Schiff in that respect.

[devil21]

Amash has support from his local constituents, and Club for Growth (Jim Demint), among others.

He's no Kokesh or Schiff in that respect.

That's wonderful. However, it makes me wonder why a brow-beating thread like this was necessary in the first place. But I guess it worked since it prompted me to drop a few bucks.

[Jordan]

That's wonderful. However, it makes me wonder why a brow-beating thread like this was necessary in the first place. But I guess it worked since it prompted me to drop a few bucks.

I understand your concern.

My concern, also shared with Michigan11, is that we're overlooking easy victories to "send a message" with candidates in unwinnable districts.

Amash has the best risk/reward ratio of any candidate with the exception of Rand, and would be an excellent investment for liberty lovers.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

That's a horrible thing to say.

Politics is largely about who can raise the most money. If you're not going to do anything except tell other people all their efforts are all in vain, why are you even posting here?

Two years ago we would have been elated at a single victory. Now you're crying because we can't win them all?

To be fair, the movement hasn't won a seat yet. Trying to be an impartial judge here.

[low preference guy]

To be fair, the movement hasn't won a seat yet. Trying to be an impartial judge here.

hopefully not for long.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

hopefully not for long.

Well hope is something I can definitely sell! For much cheaper too. :D

[CCTelander]

Now are you starting to understand politics?


Next time keep your money.


Apparently, 200+ years of abject failure isn't enough evidence for some people.

[low preference guy]

Well hope is something I can definitely sell! For much cheaper too. :D

You can tell Austrian Econ Disciple is pretty desperate that he won't be able to use one argument to discourage people after November, so he is doing as much as pointless discouraging as he can right now.

He is such a useless loser with way too much time.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

Apparently, 200+ years of abject failure isn't enough evidence for some people.

I am fine with people spending their money on what they want. It may be unwise, or a very lopsided cost to benefit ratio, but who I am to say what they should spend it on. I will caution them however to really see how worth it, it is. We aren't a rich movement. We really can't keep affording this every year. It's welfare for politicians :D We need something that is self-sustaining with a profit motive.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

You can tell Austrian Econ Disciple is pretty desperate that he won't be able to use one argument to discourage people after November, so he is doing as much as pointless discouraging as he can right now.

He is such a useless loser with way too much time.

My post was a joke. If you take offense so be it.

[low preference guy]

My post was a joke. If you take offense so be it.

I don't take any offense. I am just stating plain facts.

[Austrian Econ Disciple]

I don't take any offense. I am just stating plain facts.

I'm not the one going around being hostile to those who didn't donate to their favored candidate. To me this is creating undue conflict and divisiveness. (Personally, I think Adam will get a lot of use out of Power & Market which I sent him)

[CCTelander]

I am fine with people spending their money on what they want. It may be unwise, or a very lopsided cost to benefit ratio, but who I am to say what they should spend it on. I will caution them however to really see how worth it, it is. We aren't a rich movement. We really can't keep affording this every year. It's welfare for politicians :D We need something that is self-sustaining with a profit motive.


Hey, far be it from me to tell anyone what they ought to be doing. If they think political actions is going to work, more power to them. Was just reminding people of the actual historical record is all. :D

[low preference guy]

(Personally, I think Adam will get a lot of use out of Power & Market which I sent him)

It probably will end up in the trash can, as it should.

[klamath]

Who are you, Mr. internet tough guy?

The point of the OP was that the best chance we have to actually win is with Amash who has poll numbers, support, and an awesome voting record in the state senate.

He has everything this "revolution" should be looking for, but is being looked over for candidates that don't have nearly the same credentials as he does.

Kokesh could only wish to have the poll numbers Amash had. Besides, Kokesh misrepresented his poll numbers to suck more money into a losing campaign. Medina was a long shot, made to even a greater long shot after the truther ordeal. Ron Paul will always be a long shot in the republican party, but he's getting somewhere. Schiff has a very, very long shot chance at winning, but even if he wins he said he only wants one term....not a very good ROI.

If Amash wins the primary, he wins the general, its that simple. He's our best shot minus Rand Paul of actually winning something.

You make a very good argument. If I had the cash I would be donating. I am also of the belief that we should really evaluated a candidates chances before dumping money on them. All the money in the world is not going to elect a candidate if he is in the wrong state or district.

[Michigan11]

Jordan articulated my point much better than I in my OP. Very well written...

To all others that took offense to my thread, relax, I was frustrated at the time. In person I'm sure we would all get along, I have great respect for our cause and those that contribute to further it.

To those that contributed in a positive or more articulate writing style. Thanks.

[libertybrewcity]

I really think this whole process is one big learning experience for the movement as a whole. In 2012 we will smarter than we were in 2008 and 2010. We will choose candidates more wisely because we know how to look for candidates that have potential and which ones don't. In these primaries I think we were looking for any and all candidates that have something good to say without looking at their chances of winning.

In the general election and in 2012 we will be more efficient and practical then ever before!

[tpreitzel]

I really think this whole process is one big learning experience for the movement as a whole. In 2012 we will smarter than we were in 2008 and 2010. We will choose candidates more wisely because we know how to look for candidates that have potential and which ones don't. In these primaries I think we were looking for any and all candidates that have something good to say without looking at their chances of winning.

In the general election and in 2012 we will be more efficient and practical then ever before!

Maybe.

If we start winning further down the road, i.e. 2012-2016, it'll be precisely because some of us built a foundation (running candidates whether immediately successful or not) that eventually led to success at the ballot box... not whining over our immediate failures. ;)

BTW, for those members of RPFs who are out of money, may I recommend transferring some of your time from posting in General Politics to soliciting votes for Peter Schiff for 30 minutes a day and several times per week?
Thanks ... remember activism eventually leads to victory, not venting.