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Knightskye
07-07-2010, 04:22 PM
http://reason.com/archives/2010/07/07/beck-u/singlepage


There is no unifying feature of Beck’s “historiography”; he darts from subject to subject, riffing on whatever pops into his head. To get an idea of the curriculum at Glenn Beck U., I watched a few of his recent programs on communism, McCarthy, and 20th century totalitarianism. It wasn’t pretty. In no particular order, a few corrections to Professor Beck’s riffs on the history we “need to know”:

* The Communist Party of the United States didn’t start as the “Communist Working Party” in 1917.
* It is not true that “if you were a Marxist” in 1960s, you were a “Soviet sympathizer,” as former members of the International Socialists can attest.
* The Nazis did not “learn propaganda” from Woodrow Wilson.
* Beck says that “Most of Europe was preparing for war in 1917.” Europe had been at war since 1914; the Americans joined in in 1917.
* The Venona decrypts were not “released in the 1980s,” when the Soviet Union was still in business, but in 1995. Nor was Venona “compiled” by the KGB; Venona was the codename given by United States intelligence services to the collection of intercepts. Incidentally, Beck, demonstrating his lack of familiarity with the subject matter, stumbles when identifying Venona, first calling them the “Verona papers.”
* No one claims Castro was “democratically-elected,” except, perhaps, the brothers Castro themselves.
* Obama’s mother, who grew up in Kansas, did not attend the Elisabeth Irwin School (“The Little Red Schoolhouse”) in New York City.
* Beck’s history of late Weimar Germany manages to be both totally incoherent and completely wrong, such as this comparison of the German Communist Party (KPD) and the Nazis: “The National Socialists, the Nazis, did round up the communists. OK? But the communists, they rounded up the store owners first. Nazis, number two. The old and infirm. Number two on communist's list, farmers and landowners. Three, I think it was Jewish on both sides.”
* A list of “1963 communist goals from the Communist Party USA (CPUSA)” Beck presented on his television show (and available here on his website) are not from the CPUSA, but reprinted from The Naked Communist, a bizarre book of conspiracy authored by John Birch Society lunatic Cleon Skousen.
* In the aftermath of the Israeli attack on the Gaza flotilla, Beck argued that anti-Semitism is the inevitable byproduct of socialism. “Socialism and anti-Semitism have complemented each other throughout history.” “How many [Jews] have to die,” Beck asks, “to remember who keeps killing them?” The idea that anti-Semitism flourishes under left-wing regimes because Jews are associated with capitalism is certainly true, though it ignores the long history of far-right anti-Semitism and the Tsarist-era pogroms and blood libels. In far-right circles, Jews, like Bela Kun and Leon Trotsky, were associated with communism and the revolutionary left.

I would suggest reading the whole thing, and sharing it with any "Beck Insider" subscribers you know.

erowe1
07-07-2010, 04:29 PM
I happened to hear him just a couple weeks ago say merely in passing, while he was talking about his new book, that he had never heard of the concept of the Overton Window before he started working on his new novel of that title.

It struck me because it might not be a term most people use, but it's the kind of thing that would be practically impossible for Glenn Beck not to have at least been introduced to years ago if he had done the kind of research he presents himself as having done in the areas he is constantly talking about. It even came up from time to time in mainstream news sources about the 2008 presidential campaign.

heavenlyboy34
07-07-2010, 04:55 PM
Beck is such an epic failure /facepalm

Knightskye
07-07-2010, 07:26 PM
He's leading people in the right direction, but for the wrong reasons.

nate895
07-07-2010, 08:02 PM
Listen to the first bit of this:

http://www.aomin.org/podcasts/20100601.mp3

FrankRep
07-07-2010, 08:28 PM
* A list of “1963 communist goals from the Communist Party USA (CPUSA)” Beck presented on his television show (and available here on his website) are not from the CPUSA, but reprinted from The Naked Communist, a bizarre book of conspiracy authored by John Birch Society lunatic Cleon Skousen.

Michael C. Moynihan is bashing the John Birch Society? Dude, whatever...

Ron Paul and Chuck Baldwin both endorse the John Birch Society.

Ron Paul At the 50th Anniversary of John Birch Society
Viddler.com - Ron Paul At the 50th Anniversary of JBS - Uploaded by jbirch (http://www.viddler.com/explore/jbirch/videos/1/?advanced=fa23b1da?advanced=fa23b1da)

Chuck Baldwin At the 50th Anniversary of John Birch Society
Viddler.com - Chuck Baldwin Speech at JBS 50th Anniversary Celebration - Uploaded by jbirch (http://www.viddler.com/explore/jbirch/videos/2/?advanced=3a8e63e4?advanced=3a8e63e4)

Chieftain1776
07-07-2010, 08:33 PM
I trust Beck over Moynihan and that's definately not saying much about Moynihan. He's philosophically a "liberventionist (http://www.anthonygregory.com/prowarlibertarians.html)" which is to say a neocon in practice.

Knightskye
07-07-2010, 08:59 PM
Michael C. Moynihan is bashing the John Birch Society? Dude, whatever...

Was he wrong about the "communist principles" not being where Glenn Beck said they were?

How about the other nine points Moynihan made?


I trust Beck over Moynihan and that's definately not saying much about Moynihan. He's philosophically a "liberventionist (http://www.anthonygregory.com/prowarlibertarians.html)" which is to say a neocon in practice.

The page mentioned Brian Doherty, but I couldn't find Moynihan's name there. Do you have an article he wrote?

Deborah K
07-07-2010, 09:07 PM
* The Nazis did not “learn propaganda” from Woodrow Wilson.

Beck has stated that the Nazis learned of propaganda from Bernays. Beck stated Wilson learned it from him as well.

I can't speak to the rest of the claims except to say I like Cleon Skousen's work very much and anyone who would call him a lunatic and insult JBS is highly, HIGHLY suspicious to me.

Deborah K
07-07-2010, 09:08 PM
Was he wrong about the "communist principles" not being where Glenn Beck said they were?

How about the other nine points Moynihan made?



The page mentioned Brian Doherty, but I couldn't find Moynihan's name there. Do you have an article he wrote?

I'm not sure about this but I believe Beck took those principles from what was entered into the Congressional record in 1963.

Chieftain1776
07-07-2010, 09:50 PM
Was he wrong about the "communist principles" not being where Glenn Beck said they were?

How about the other nine points Moynihan made?



The page mentioned Brian Doherty, but I couldn't find Moynihan's name there. Do you have an article he wrote?

I just typed in Moynihan and liberventionist and this came (http://reason.com/blog/2008/08/26/reason-writers-around-town-mic)up at reason:


In day two of his week-long Los Angeles Times debate with former Time correspondent Andrew Meier, reason Associate Editor Michael C. Moynihan argues for NATO expansion to former Soviet republics such as Ukraine.

There are tons of other examples but it'd take a while to find them. Read the comments... I really don't trust reason on foreign policy.

Knightskye
07-08-2010, 12:41 AM
I just typed in Moynihan and liberventionist and this came (http://reason.com/blog/2008/08/26/reason-writers-around-town-mic)up at reason:

There are tons of other examples but it'd take a while to find them. Read the comments... I really don't trust reason on foreign policy.

The article (http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oew-meier-moynihan26-2008aug26,0,126599.story) seems like he was arguing that Ukraine had the right to seek defense from Russian aggression, and I would agree with that.

You'll note that Moynihan doesn't mention his belief as to whether the United States should be in NATO.

JohnEngland
07-08-2010, 04:50 AM
Hmm, seems like nit-picking over every word Beck says, which is the kind of nonsense you'd expect from a group like Media Matters.

An example of the kind of ridiculousness Beck is put under by the media - Yesterday, Beck jokingly launched "Beck Hospital", as a follow-up to Beck University. Now the nit-pickers will say things like:

"On July 7th, Glenn Beck stated that he had launched 'Beck Hospital'. However, further study exposes the fraud that Mr. Beck is engaging in. For starters, we have uncovered that Beck can't start a hospital because he isn't a certified doctor, not to mention unfamiliar with eye surgery. Furthermore, Beck is LYING when he says it'll only cost you 9.99 a month for medical treatment. It's time to send a message to Glenn Beck and his sponsors that his hospital plans are dangerous to America and need to be stopped."

And so on...

Austrian Econ Disciple
07-08-2010, 04:55 AM
This is a joke right? Right??

If people here are going to spend money on something like this, at least think about spending that money on an integral institution like Mises.

http://mises.org/events/110

Mises U! :D

Knightskye
07-10-2010, 06:38 PM
We can at least agree on this, can't we?

Woodrow Wilson was an imperial president who cared little for civil liberties; the New Deal prolonged the Great Depression; the anti-communists were on the right side of history. Yes, yes, and yes. But these stories can be told without exaggeration, without relying on conspiracy, without the rehabilitation of a heavy-drinking senator who believed that Gen. George Marshall was a Soviet agent.