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lester1/2jr
07-04-2010, 01:50 PM
I was directed to this video to "make myself smarter in 11 minutes" ah well i don't know if it did that exactly but it was interesting

http://www.dangerousminds.net/index.php/site/comments/crises_of_capitalism_an_animated_talk_by_david_har vey/



YouTube - RSA Animate - Crises of Capitalism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0&feature=player_embedded)




here was the comment I left

"very much disagree with Mr Harvey as to the nature of the problem.He mentions greenspan only in passing. Greenspan is at the begining middle but cleverly on his part not the end of the story. He kept the interest rates too low for too long. as always, it fueled a boom and in the boom malinvestment occured.

That’s it. There’s no animal spirits, or cultural whatever. the market players responded to the easy money as they always do. The above explanation is elaborate and clever but ultimately useless. I notice he also glosses over Greece. Why?

well because they are suffering under their massive welfare state, the exact sort of thing he as a marxist would prescribe as a solution. central bank inflation and welfare statism are the same side of the coin. Both are (allgedly)well meaning but ultimately harmful intervetions into the market.

He’s on point about the home ownership obsession in the US, that was what directed the malinvestment. Again though, this was a govt initiative.

Interesting presentation though and liked the drawings.


edit: at the youtube comments thread a guy is on a rampage trying to disprove mises and economic calculation. he feels computers can create models every bit as good as the ones that occur naturally in a marketplace.

hugolp
07-04-2010, 02:38 PM
YouTube - Crisis of Capitalism, The Critique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJGAs2KwoWk)

BenIsForRon
07-04-2010, 02:54 PM
It was good in it's criticism of finance. Any society where the finance industry rakes in the most profits is doomed.

However, you're totally right that he neglects any instance where government did too much, i.e. Greenspan and Greece's nanny state.

BenIsForRon
07-04-2010, 03:10 PM
Crisis of Capitalism, The Critique[/url]

This guy glosses over some things as well. He says easy credit, in the private sector, has been good for our country. And even though per capita income may have increased, if you look specifically at labor, I don't think their income has increased much at all.

lester1/2jr
07-04-2010, 08:51 PM
I would say wages have NOT kept up with inflation. it's been masked by the easy credit

hugolp
07-05-2010, 04:34 AM
This guy glosses over some things as well. He says easy credit, in the private sector, has been good for our country. And even though per capita income may have increased, if you look specifically at labor, I don't think their income has increased much at all.

For me the biggest "problem" of the original video is the manipulation. He says that the system applied too much Hayek and then talks about the efficient market theory (wich is not even hayekian/austrian, more like monetarist). He then says that we need more keynes when keynesianism is basically the dominant economic theory and what more or less has been applied.

Its taking obvious criticism of the system but lying to blame them to the wrong guys and theories, and take blame away of the people and theories that deserve the blame.

I really dont understand why socialist have to lie all the time. If their theories are so so so good and will solve all the problems, why do they have to lie to promote them?

ClayTrainor
07-05-2010, 04:47 AM
I really dont understand why socialist have to lie all the time. If their theories are so so so good and will solve all the problems, why do they have to lie to promote them?

Your question answers itself. :)

Blueskies
07-05-2010, 05:49 AM
That version is edited. Here, watch this instead:

YouTube - David Harvey- The Crises of Capitalism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26o22Y33h9s&feature=related)

EDIT: Towards the end he takes a question and rags on Keynesian pretty harshly.

lester1/2jr
07-05-2010, 08:26 AM
there are weird secret parrelels between marx and mises, mainly via not being keynes and also being hostile to authority and cynical/ negative

as far as wage repression in China. relative to what? Mao era communism? that's absurd

hugolp
07-05-2010, 09:11 AM
That version is edited. Here, watch this instead:

YouTube - David Harvey- The Crises of Capitalism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26o22Y33h9s&feature=related)

EDIT: Towards the end he takes a question and rags on Keynesian pretty harshly.

Its funny that he thinks that the IMF, WTO, ONU and the rest are capitalistic institutions.