HR1207 Hall of Shame - Co-sponsors who Abandoned the Bill!!

[dannno]

Yesterday, the House rejected Ron Paul’s Audit the Fed by a vote of 198-229. The Audit was included in a Republican motion to send the Dodd-Frank Fed Empowerment Act (H.R. 4173) back to committee.

If the measure had been approved, H.R. 4173 would have been changed to include the thorough Audit.

Even worse, the majority of those who voted against it were cosponsors of H.R. 1207.


Hall of Shame List:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/materials/HR1207-Shame-List.pdf

[RileyE104]

KUCINICH?!?!?

I've lost all respect for the man now.

At least Alan Grayson didn't sell out.

[John Taylor]

KUCINICH?!?!?

I've lost all respect for the man now.

At least Alan Grayson didn't sell out.

How could you have any respect for Kucinich? He's as dreadful a friend of individual liberty and limited government as you could create!

I called the congressman from my old district and gave him hell.

[Flash]

How many seats are Republicans expecting to pick up in 2010? Is there a possibily of RP re-introducing this bill in 2011?
And yeah, F Kucinich.

[AuH2O]

Can someone explain yesterday's vote to me? It was on a motion to recommit, so can it really be claimed as a straight up-or-down vote on the audit? Did the motion contain more language than just Dr. Paul's?

[CoreyBowen999]

wow...

[RileyE104]

How could you have any respect for Kucinich? He's as dreadful a friend of individual liberty and limited government as you could create!

I called the congressman from my old district and gave him hell.

I respected him in the same way I had respect for Bernie Sanders before he sold out.

But now that they've both sold out on the Federal Reserve, there's no point to respect them even just a little, no matter how "anti-war" or "anti-Patriot Act" Kucinich is.

[Reason]

I'm surprised that my rep isn't on that hall of shame list.

[low preference guy]

I'm surprised that my rep isn't on that hall of shame list.

Is he a Republican? No republicans are on that list. They all voted for the audit.

[Reason]

Is he a Republican? No republicans are on that list. They all voted for the audit.

Yeah, he is a republican. He got elected because he has the exact same name as his father who held the seat before him.

[RileyE104]

Is he a Republican? No republicans are on that list. They all voted for the audit.

If Ron decides to make a 2012 run, at least he can use THAT in his favor.
He has the power to rally the Party behind certain issues.

1207 + 4995 are two bills that can be used to his advantage come 2012.



I still can't get over how Kucinich sold out...
Has he made any press releases saying WHY he did it?

[malkusm]

"Adam Schiff – CA-29"

We already have a Schiff in Congress?!

[Cowlesy]

Hey most of the New York it seems, biiig surprise :rolleyes:

[surf]

Can someone explain yesterday's vote to me? It was on a motion to recommit, so can it really be claimed as a straight up-or-down vote on the audit? Did the motion contain more language than just Dr. Paul's?

anyone? can anyone post exactly what was voted on? it seems there was more than 1207 included and covered by that vote.

[LittleLightShining]

Fackin Peter Welch. He's up for re-election, there's a 3 way race in the GOP primary and no one I can really get behind 100% :(

[Golding]

I'm not even going to pretend to be surprised that so many were from California and New York.

[someperson]

anyone? can anyone post exactly what was voted on? it seems there was more than 1207 included and covered by that vote.

I'll just quote what I wrote last night.


It's very difficult to find the language for HR4173, roll call vote 412. This page, http://english.capital.gr/news.asp?id=1002391, is the only alternative source I could find.

"Specifically, the Republican motion will instruct committee lawmakers to amend the bill to include the original audit-the-Fed bill authored by Rep. Ron Paul (R., Texas) that would give the Government Accountability Office greater access to the Fed's activities than the audit provision included in the final financial overhaul bill. The motion would also mandate changes to widen the exemption for corporate end users of derivatives from new margin requirements."

Here are a few possibilities:
1. some of the cosponsors, who happen to label themselves as "Democrats," objected to that mandate thinking it would be beneficial to corporations, which is against their "principles"
2. those same cosponsors were coerced by leadership to vote against HR1207, using the baggage as a "legitimate" excuse, even though they personally couldn't care less about the baggage being there, and honestly wanted to vote for it
3. the cosponsors never really wanted to support HR1207 in the first place, but pressure from constituents forced their hand. they took this opportunity/out generously provided by the individuals who label themselves as "Republican" to vote against it, with the intent of using the baggage as an excuse come election time.
4. they just didn't want to go back to the drawing board again (you know, to do their supposed job)
5. they closed their eyes and pressed the first button their finger came in contact with

Possibility #3 is, of course, a win/win for the leaderships of both sides (the one party), as the "R" labeled individuals can disingenuously claim that they tried to pass it, while the "D" labeled individuals can disingenuously claim that they wanted to, but the "R" people added stuff that made that impossible. Both sides point fingers at each other, status quo remains intact.

It's all theatrics, as far as I'm concerned.

[dannno]

I'm not even going to pretend to be surprised that so many were from California and New York.

They have the biggest populations and the most members in congress :confused:

[HOLLYWOOD]

KUCINICH?!?!?

I've lost all respect for the man now.

At least Alan Grayson didn't sell out.


That little "E Ticket Ride" on Air Force One with the Obama Regime, gave them enough time for their Manchurian Implant. No One can be as stupid as what Kucinich just pulled. Then again, Obama and Rahm Emanuel probably said... you vote with us or we will destroy your Re-election or maybe a FAT Executive job in the Administration down the road. Remember the sleaziest regime is currently in power.

Someone tell Kucinich to stick that US Constitution up his Ass since he's already shitted on it.

[puppetmaster]

That little "E Ticket Ride" on Air Force One with the Obama Regime, gave them enough time for their Manchurian Implant. No One can be as stupid as what Kucinich just pulled. Then again, Obama and Rahm Emanuel probably said... you vote with us or we will destroy your Re-election or maybe a FAT Executive job in the Administration down the road. Remember the sleaziest regime is currently in power.

Someone tell Kucinich to stick that US Constitution up his Ass since he's already shitted on it.

I hear ya!!

shitted...is that a word?---LOL

[t0rnado]

I'll be sure to yell at Steve Rothman at a town hall for this.

[surf]

it brings the question of why was anything included with H.R. 1207? why insert the baggage of derivative margin requirements (setting off all types of alarms) with this?

should the "motion to recommit" have contained only H.R. 1207? it could not have failed if it had been like that, could it?

and why's it so hard to find - in print - what they actually voted down?

[someperson]

it brings the question of why was anything included with H.R. 1207? why insert the baggage of derivative margin requirements (setting off all types of alarms) with this?

should the "motion to recommit" have contained only H.R. 1207? it could not have failed if it had been like that, could it?

and why's it so hard to find - in print - what they actually voted down?
Who knows? All I know is I'm sure the leadership of the one party with two wings didn't want it to pass, so I think my possibility #3 is quite plausible: The baggage was placed in there intentionally by "one side" to give the "other side" an out, a way to vote no, so they can all save face come election time.

This article shows an individual rationalizing this outcome for the "audience" before the vote took place:
http://news.firedoglake.com/2010/06/30/gop-to-use-audit-the-fed-in-finreg-motion-to-recommit/

"Let’s make something clear about these Republican motions to recommit. The headline piece of the motion is never the only piece. Last month, when they successfully used a motion to recommit to derail the COMPETES Act, the headline piece was about denying compensation to members of the SEC watching porn on the job. But behind that were several cuts to the bill and other spending. Democrats dealt with that by separating out the motion to recommit into nine separate votes, isolating the SEC/porn measure."

[klamath]

I hear ya!!

shitted...is that a word?---LOL

"There are two types of people in the world. The doer and the doee. The doee goes to work, pays his taxes and generally gets shitted upon...":D

[AuH2O]

it brings the question of why was anything included with H.R. 1207? why insert the baggage of derivative margin requirements (setting off all types of alarms) with this?

should the "motion to recommit" have contained only H.R. 1207? it could not have failed if it had been like that, could it?

and why's it so hard to find - in print - what they actually voted down?

I spoke to one of the Democrat cosponsors who voted against the motion over the holiday. He is a life-long and very dear friend whom I trust implicitly, despite our very different views on the role of government. He said that -- while he didn't remember exactly what else was included -- had the motion been only Dr. Paul's audit language, he and all the other Dem cosponsors (and likely the remainder of the caucus) would have supported it. However, he blamed this on an oft-used minority party maneuver: You offer and amendment or motion with seemingly harmless and probably desirable language, but somewhere deep within you also tack on a complete deal-killer so people have to vote against it, and that vote can be used to hit them on the campaign trail.

[someperson]

I spoke to one of the Democrat cosponsors who voted against the motion over the holiday. He is a life-long and very dear friend whom I trust implicitly, despite our very different views on the role of government. He said that -- while he didn't remember exactly what else was included -- had the motion been only Dr. Paul's audit language, he and all the other Dem cosponsors (and likely the remainder of the caucus) would have supported it. However, he blamed this on an oft-used minority party maneuver: You offer and amendment or motion with seemingly harmless and probably desirable language, but somewhere deep within you also tack on a complete deal-killer so people have to vote against it, and that vote can be used to hit them on the campaign trail.
:(

[DaninPA]

I hear ya!!

shitted...is that a word?---LOL


Not 100% sure but I think it's "shat".

[Endgame]

I respected him in the same way I had respect for Bernie Sanders before he sold out.

But now that they've both sold out on the Federal Reserve, there's no point to respect them even just a little, no matter how "anti-war" or "anti-Patriot Act" Kucinich is.

Oh but they're PRINCIPLED leftists. They ACTUALLY BELIEVE in almost everything we hate so they're OK.