What Really Happned at the G20 in Toronto

[eric_cartman]

http://www.torontog20exposed.blogspot.com/

[DanielF17]

This is a good blog. I'll try to show some of my friends but I think they are too distracted by the world cup to care about anything important. It makes me wonder if the G20 leaders planned their meeting to take place during the world cup.

[John Taylor]

The people protesting at the G20 are socialist rabble. They are the ideological descendants of Marx, not of Adam Smith. They wish for a massive redistribution of wealth, not the protection of private property rights. They are enemies of individual liberty everywhere, and of private property.

[RCA]

The people protesting at the G20 are socialist rabble. They are the ideological descendants of Marx, not of Adam Smith. They wish for a massive redistribution of wealth, not the protection of private property rights. They are enemies of individual liberty everywhere, and of private property.

Source?

[moostraks]

The people protesting at the G20 are socialist rabble. They are the ideological descendants of Marx, not of Adam Smith. They wish for a massive redistribution of wealth, not the protection of private property rights. They are enemies of individual liberty everywhere, and of private property.

:rolleyes: The first step to achieving liberty is to see people as individuals. Everyone who protests is not alike.

[Vessol]

:rolleyes: The first step to achieving liberty is to see people as individuals. Everyone who protests is not alike.

This.

In order to battle collectivism, we need to stop thinking collectively.

[MsDoodahs]

The people protesting at the G20 are socialist rabble. They are the ideological descendants of Marx, not of Adam Smith. They wish for a massive redistribution of wealth, not the protection of private property rights. They are enemies of individual liberty everywhere, and of private property.

For the most part, I believe this to be the case.

[John Taylor]

:rolleyes: The first step to achieving liberty is to see people as individuals. Everyone who protests is not alike.

Of course. I am speaking about the Maoists with their red flags protesting capitalism and urging redistribution along with their anarchist mayhem-committing thugs who terrorized Toronto.... I'm talking about the scumbellies who are seeking to destroy private roperty rights and individual liberty.

[RCA]

For the most part, I believe this to be the case.

A lot of people say this, but I've never seen any evidence for this (not say it doesn't exist).

[Krugerrand]

This.

In order to battle collectivism, we need to stop thinking collectively.

Does that apply to all of us?:D

[John Taylor]

Source?

Really??? Really?

http://fuckyeahmarxismleninism.tumblr.com/post/739970923/solidarity-with-the-protesters-in-toronto-shut

YouTube - Toronto G20 protest organized by OCAP - Part 1 - Gathering at Allan Gardens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE5Mc2CA5fY&feature=related)

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=6491

http://www.marxist.com/canada-20000-protest-prorogation.htm

[LittleLightShining]

Wooow :(

[John Taylor]

Wooow :(

YouTube - Broken windows, burnt cars left by G20 riots in Toronto (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKgFsqry6LQ&feature=related)

Nice people... let's not generalize now... God forbid these "protestors" really are Marxist pricks.

[MsDoodahs]

Those guys are advocating the opposite of what ... most of us ... are advocating.

[Deborah K]

Source?

Well, if this sign is any indication....


http://i50.tinypic.com/1zyjupw.jpg

[Deborah K]

Really??? Really?

http://fuckyeahmarxismleninism.tumblr.com/post/739970923/solidarity-with-the-protesters-in-toronto-shut

YouTube - Toronto G20 protest organized by OCAP - Part 1 - Gathering at Allan Gardens (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oE5Mc2CA5fY&feature=related)

http://www.rightpundits.com/?p=6491

http://www.marxist.com/canada-20000-protest-prorogation.htm

Idiots don't know the difference between capitalism and corporatism.

[Vessol]

Nice people... let's not generalize now... God forbid these "protestors" really are Marxist pricks.

Well if they are Marxists, then that means the cops have every right to attack them if they are peaceful!

[John Taylor]

Well if they are Marxists, then that means the cops have every right to attack them if they are peaceful!

What? That's so bass ackwards I don't even know where to start.

10% of the entire mass of protestors were arrested for violent acts... Marxists do labor to violate the rights of other people, and they are indeed a great threat to individual liberty, but the best way of dealing with them is through education of other people. Try reading Ludwig von Mises' great book, Socialism (http://mises.org/books/socialism/contents.aspx).

The police didn't attack peaceful people, they attacked rioters who refused to disperse.

I'm sure you think them innocent.... good thing you weren't on the jury trying the soldiers following the "Boston Massacre". John Adams would have voir dire-d you right out of there.

[Vessol]

Have you watched footage from any of the G20 protests?

The police let the rioters do whatever they want, and then they attack the peaceful protesters.

The vast majority of people arrested at these protests are non-violent protestors. Sure, they may be Marxists, but they aren't damaging property, all they are doing is protesting.

The rioters get away purposefully.

Those rioters are the Black Bloc, they are almost always lead by police in disguise.

[John Taylor]

Have you watched footage from any of the G20 protests?

The police let the rioters do whatever they want, and then they attack the peaceful protesters.

Those rioters are the Black Bloc, they are almost always lead by police in disguise.

Yeah, I've watched a great deal of it. These Marxists are violating and destroying the private property of others. Have YOU watched the footage???

The police stopped the rioters to the greatest extent possible.

Ohhhh, the Black Block, a false flag opperation no doubt!!!! I know some of the Marxists who went up there, and they don't have any problem destroying private property, or with committing all sorts of crimes if they are geared to furthering the Marxist revolution.

[Acala]

If I were in charge of the G20 and I knew there were going to be protests and I wanted to make sure the protesters were disregarded, what would I do? I just might hire some people to infiltrate the protest, make some signs that are likely to frighten the majority of tax-paying Americans (make sure the signs are in English) and then break some stuff.

Of course that is purely hypothetical. The governments of the G20 don't engage in that kind of dishonest manipulation. So it is safe to believe that the loudest, most obnoxious people in the protest - the ones who get the most tv coverage - actually represent "THE PROTESTORS".

[John Taylor]

If I were in charge of the G20 and I knew there were going to be protests and I wanted to make sure the protesters were disregarded, what would I do? I just might hire some people to infiltrate the protest, make some signs that are likely to frighten the majority of tax-paying Americans (make sure the signs are in English) and then break some stuff.

Of course that is purely hypothetical. The governments of the G20 don't engage in that kind of dishonest manipulation. So it is safe to believe that the loudest, most obnoxious people in the protest - the ones who get the most tv coverage - actually represent "THE PROTESTORS".

Disregarded? If anything, they drew far more attention BECAUSE of the violence and destruction. Sometimes, bad people do exist in the private sector, and sometimes, they do break things... deliberately.

Why wouldn't the signs be in English, most of the people there speak English as their first language!

Back to your false flag agrument, denying the existence of radical Marxists who are actively seeking the theft of private property... have fun!

[Vessol]

Yeah, I've watched a great deal of it. These Marxists are violating and destroying the private property of others. Have YOU watched the footage???

The police stopped the rioters to the greatest extent possible.

Ohhhh, the Black Block, a false flag opperation no doubt!!!! I know some of the Marxists who went up there, and they don't have any problem destroying private property, or with committing all sorts of crimes if they are geared to furthering the Marxist revolution.

It's well known that the police use agent provocateurs to attack the police and property in order to give the riot police a reason to crack down on peaceful protestors.

YouTube - G20: Epic Undercover Police Fail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJ7aU-n1L8)

YouTube - Police provocateurs at Montebello Summit? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1nHvvkzvA)

[John Taylor]

It's well known that the police use agent provocateurs to attack the police and property in order to give the riot police a reason to crack down on peaceful protestors.

YouTube - G20: Epic Undercover Police Fail (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrJ7aU-n1L8)

YouTube - Police provocateurs at Montebello Summit? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1nHvvkzvA)

So the people there don't have free choice anymore? They can't decide whether they are going to burn police cars, or throw rocks, or break through private businesses? Or are you actually maintaining that the Toronto police committed this damage to their own city to draw more press attention to the Marxist thugs protesting?

[hbeachrealist]

Here is more info on G20. Most of the damage is done by police posing as anarchists. Damn provacateers.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-g20-police-succeed-in-covering-up-reports-of-rape-and-torture.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/activist-arrested-on-bogus-charge-to-cover-for-illegal-conduct-of-toronto-police.html

This one has great videos:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/g20-protesters-being-abducted-bundled-into-unmarked-vans-in-toronto.html

[Vessol]

No. The police purposefully under cover attack the riot police and damage property to make a good show for the press and to give an excuse to the riot police to attack peaceful protesters. It has NEVER drawn attention to the Marxists like you seem to think it does.

No newspaper covers this, no TV, it's just forgotten about besides the footage of "LOOK AT THE EVIL PEOPLE DESTROYING PROPERTY! ANYONE WHO PROTESTS IS BAD"

This is how they set up "Free Speech Zones".

I don't care of the peaceful protesters are Marxists, Muslims or Buddhists. They have a right to protest peacefully and they do that. The Police State however can not stand any form of organized dissent.

[hbeachrealist]

No. The police purposefully under cover attack the riot police and damage property to make a good show for the press and to give an excuse to the riot police to attack peaceful protesters. It has NEVER drawn attention to the Marxists like you seem to think it does.

No newspaper covers this, no TV, it's just forgotten about besides the footage of "LOOK AT THE EVIL PEOPLE DESTROYING PROPERTY! ANYONE WHO PROTESTS IS BAD"

This is how they set up "Free Speech Zones".

I don't care of the peaceful protesters are Marxists, Muslims or Buddhists. They have a right to protest peacefully and they do that. The Police State however can not stand any form of organized dissent.


Dude, you are just straight up dropping knowledge. I watched Beck for a bit yesterday (only because I was on the bike at the gym). And he was demonizing the G20 protestors.

Of course, Beck is not going to tell you that the G20 banksters are just SCUM BAGS!!!!!!

[Slutter McGee]

Did yall see that false flag op the government ran after the lakers won the championship a few years ago. Government agents started the riots...and then people started burning cars and trashing buisnesses. Because this was all part of the government plan to prop back up the Celtics to glory...which they accomplished.

Because we all know that private citizens would never burn and trash shit on their own

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[hbeachrealist]

Did yall see that false flag op the government ran after the lakers won the championship a few years ago. Government agents started the riots...and then people started burning cars and trashing buisnesses. Because this was all part of the government plan to prop back up the Celtics to glory...which they accomplished.

Because we all know that private citizens would never burn and trash shit on their own

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

Ha, ha. You soooo funny. You must love Glen Beck and Sarah Palin!

I guess Operation Northwoods didn't happen.

I guess the US gov didn't lie about the Gulf of Tonkin.

[Slutter McGee]

Ha, ha. You soooo funny. You must love Glen Beck and Sarah Palin!

I guess Operation Northwoods didn't happen.

I guess the US gov didn't lie about the Gulf of Tonkin.

I do like Glenn Beck to a point. And Sarah Palin is a hottie...oh what I would do to her. Of course the government lies. The obvious point is that not everything is a damn government op. People sometimes suck...all on their own.

And I am pretty funny,

Slutter McGee

[John Taylor]

Here is more info on G20. Most of the damage is done by police posing as anarchists. Damn provacateers.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/will-g20-police-succeed-in-covering-up-reports-of-rape-and-torture.html

http://www.prisonplanet.com/activist-arrested-on-bogus-charge-to-cover-for-illegal-conduct-of-toronto-police.html

This one has great videos:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/g20-protesters-being-abducted-bundled-into-unmarked-vans-in-toronto.html

Alex Jones? Please.

[hbeachrealist]

Alex Jones? Please.

So you doubt those videos. I guess those vids are made up.

[John Taylor]

I don't care of the peaceful protesters are Marxists, Muslims or Buddhists. They have a right to protest peacefully and they do that. The Police State however can not stand any form of organized dissent.

These people were NOT peaceful. The attention drawn to them gives them greater publicity, not less...

[Vessol]

Did yall see that false flag op the government ran after the lakers won the championship a few years ago. Government agents started the riots...and then people started burning cars and trashing buisnesses. Because this was all part of the government plan to prop back up the Celtics to glory...which they accomplished.

Because we all know that private citizens would never burn and trash shit on their own

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

The government isn't running it, local police precincts are.

[Slutter McGee]

Here is what I don't get. The government is so incompetent they cant run the damn post office. But somehow people can contribute every evil or detestable act commited by a private citizen as the direct result of some kind of nefarious government conspiracy.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[Slutter McGee]

The government isn't running it, local police precincts are.

Gotcha...local police started the basketball riot. Makes perfect sense now.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[John Taylor]

So you doubt those videos. I guess those vids are made up.

No, the videos are real, they just don't show what you purport them to show.:rolleyes:

[John Taylor]

The government isn't running it, local police precincts are.



Oh, it's the local police precincts, made up of cops who just want to make it home to their families and retire in 20 years... who are leading this false flag opperation! Nice to know!

[Vessol]

Oh, it's the local police precincts, made up of cops who just want to make it home to their families and retire in 20 years... who are leading this false flag opperation! Nice to know!

Yeah, who would ever doubt a police officer.

All of them are honest and just care about their communities.

Same with politicians!

[John Taylor]

Yeah, who would ever doubt a police officer.

All of them are honest and just care about their communities.

All of them? No, enough of them to prevent a scheme like the one you insist is absolutely so widespread that it covers continents? Yes.

You don't know how local precincts are organized, do you?

Paranoia isn't much of a way of livin.

[nbruno322]

The people protesting at the G20 are socialist rabble. They are the ideological descendants of Marx, not of Adam Smith. They wish for a massive redistribution of wealth, not the protection of private property rights. They are enemies of individual liberty everywhere, and of private property.


True

It is shame that the majority protesting and critiquing the G20 and other globalist confabs around the world do not come from an individual liberty, limited govt, non-interventionist view. Rather, they are protesting FOR these globalist organizations to do even MORE of what is most repugnant about them. They are literally protesting to be more enslaved by bigger national and international govt. A true tragedy indeed...

[Slutter McGee]

Paranoia isn't much of a way of livin.

Thats the problem with the government. Frankly, I understand some degree of paranoia. The government has lied plenty. We see evidence of increased militarization of police. There is a fundamental push towards globalization. And economic and personal liberties are being slowly dismantled.

The problem is when these things cause us to forget that bad shit sometimes just happens, and that corruption rather than conspiracy is more often the reason for government lies. And that incompetence from both government and private individuals is usually the result of our troubles.

I think there are often nuggets of truth in many of the views that people like Alex Jones spout off. But to the paranoid, it must all be taken as fact.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[JeNNiF00F00]

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[South Park Fan]

Stefan Molyneux has some interesting analysis of this and speculates that some of it may have been false-flag:
YouTube - True News: The 'Violence' of the G20 Protests (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZJIzWbOzdw)

[QueenB4Liberty]

Stefan Molyneux has some interesting analysis of this and speculates that some of it may have been false-flag:
YouTube - True News: The 'Violence' of the G20 Protests (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PZJIzWbOzdw)



I always like what he has to say. lol

[nbruno322]

Is the New World Order they are protesting a different New World Order that we protest?


Yes, though they are a small minority among the the majority of protesters who are of the socialist/communist persuasion. See my previous post.

[devil21]

The people protesting at the G20 are socialist rabble. They are the ideological descendants of Marx, not of Adam Smith. They wish for a massive redistribution of wealth, not the protection of private property rights. They are enemies of individual liberty everywhere, and of private property.

"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

You're such a champion of freedom of speech and assembly John Taylor. Once again you prove that you wish government to enforce your opinions at the point of a gun. I don't care what they are protesting. That's not the point and anyone with a grasp of what liberty means knows it. Liberty means the ability of someone, even someone who I do not agree with, to also voice their opinion without interference from jackbooted gov't thugs. I question if you have the foggiest clue what liberty even is.

[libertybrewcity]

Well, if this sign is any indication....


http://i50.tinypic.com/1zyjupw.jpg

hahahhahahahaha, one world, one currency. what, are these people paid?

[moostraks]

"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

You're such a champion of freedom of speech and assembly John Taylor. Once again you prove that you wish government to enforce your opinions at the point of a gun. I don't care what they are protesting. That's not the point and anyone with a grasp of what liberty means knows it. Liberty means the ability of someone, even someone who I do not agree with, to also voice their opinion without interference from jackbooted gov't thugs. I question if you have the foggiest clue what liberty even is.

Well said, devil21...

[moostraks]

All of them? No, enough of them to prevent a scheme like the one you insist is absolutely so widespread that it covers continents? Yes.

You don't know how local precincts are organized, do you?

Paranoia isn't much of a way of livin.

Trusting what you are being told isn't going to lead you out of the shackles they want you to embrace.

It amazes me that folks are not more understanding of the lengths the corrupt will go to maintain power. They want to mock those who distrust the spin for being paranoid rather than rationalize what lengths have they gone to before and could this be more of the same? I guess they believe tigers really do change their stripes...

Corruption extends up and down the government food chain. Some folks sell their soul for a small piece of pie and some use their connections to work their way into the big leagues. Consider it similar to the casting couch in acting. Some will sell themselves for the local stage and some want to go to Hollywood or Broadway.

Does this mean that we don't believe that there are people of various agendas competing for attention? No. Does it mean we who doubt the spin believe all people are good and won't riot? No. Some of us are asking cui bono? And we are getting different results from you.

Stop insulting people who have a difference of opinion. Unless you have definitive knowledge then you are doing the same as those who dispute your opinion, which is making an educated guess.

[Slutter McGee]

"I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Voltaire

You're such a champion of freedom of speech and assembly John Taylor. Once again you prove that you wish government to enforce your opinions at the point of a gun. I don't care what they are protesting. That's not the point and anyone with a grasp of what liberty means knows it. Liberty means the ability of someone, even someone who I do not agree with, to also voice their opinion without interference from jackbooted gov't thugs. I question if you have the foggiest clue what liberty even is.

Really...and does your idea of liberty include the right to destruction of another's private property? And is protecting property not a legitimate function of government?

Nobody here, including John Taylor, is saying that these people should not be allowed to speak. What he is saying is that they are not heroes, but rather punks with no respect for property rights. And as such, when they destroy property, it is a function of government to step in and stop them.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

[devil21]

Really...and does your idea of liberty include the right to destruction of another's private property? And is protecting property not a legitimate function of government?

Seeing how Im convinced much (all?) of the destruction was at the hands of police-sanctioned actors, Im not overly concerned about that. The police themselves made no attempts to protect any property, including their own (prop police cars left abandoned), that was threatened. It doesn't take a genius to see that the same playbook used in Montreal was in effect in Toronto with agent provacateurs in plain clothes. The "black bloc" protestors that caused the damage are acknowledged as having been infiltrated by police previously. I see it as the same song-and-dance played out over and over. A gov't agent infiltrates a group, plans and incites violence (if not outright participates and carries it out themselves) then the gov't swoops in to arrest the "terrorists" and claims to have saved the day from the evil ones. It's a show to justify their jobs and their huge budgets.



Nobody here, including John Taylor, is saying that these people should not be allowed to speak. What he is saying is that they are not heroes, but rather punks with no respect for property rights. And as such, when they destroy property, it is a function of government to step in and stop them.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

That is again based on the assumption that the actors were indeed "legitimate" protestors and that there was an attempt to "stop them". I do not believe that is the case and JT's post was simply meant to demonize the protestors as somehow being different than "us" and therefore not defensible. Did you know that over 1,000 people were arrested in Toronto, yet a tiny handful of people were even responsible for the damage? Surely you're not defending the heavy handed gestapo tactics of the police on peaceful protestors over the acts of a tiny minority. A tiny minority that was summarily allowed to cause the damage they did....

[Brian4Liberty]

Anybody actually been at a "riot"?