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itshappening
06-30-2010, 02:06 AM
in Wisconsin writes Daily Kos:


WI-Sen: PPP declares Senate race a toss-up
This is going to be at least a little bit disconcerting for some folks--PPP has polled the state of Wisconsin, and they have incumbent Democratic Senator Russ Feingold barely ahead of his rivals for the seat. The pollster has Feingold leading Republican Ron Johnson by two points (45-43), and lesser-known GOP challenger Dave Westlake by seven points (45-38). The sample was almost even among 2008 McCain and Obama voters. That could lead some to complain about the sample, but it could just as easily speak to the enthusiasm gap that has been much discussed both here and elsewhere.

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What are his challengers like? :confused:

akforme
06-30-2010, 02:23 AM
From looking at Ron Johnson website he supports Real ID.

He sounds like a politician too.
http://www.ronjohnsonforsenate.com/home/


From Dave Westlake
"I fully support our military, their global missions, and full funding for all necessary activities, resources, and training to keep them the finest fighting force in the world."
http://www.davewestlake.org/Section/Issues/Our_Military_and_the_Global_War_on_Terror.html

Knightskye
06-30-2010, 02:36 AM
Westlake supports the "global war on terror" and he quotes Plato on his website -- not in a good way.

If you google Ron Johnson, you won't see his website (http://www.RonJohnsonforsenate.com) listed. Also, his campaign website doesn't talk about the "war on terror" or national security at all.

However, seeing as he was endorsed by the Wisconsin GOP, that's probably an indication as to where he stands.
YouTube - Fox and Friends (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u371M2KA9IY)

George Will seems to like him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/05/26/AR2010052604760.html

Feingold has been pretty good on civil liberties issues. So, if Johnson wins, you'd be trading a somewhat defense of civil liberties for a somewhat defense of economic liberty.

RonPaulFanInGA
06-30-2010, 04:27 AM
Good. Fire Feingold.

libertybrewcity
06-30-2010, 04:35 AM
Good. Fire Feingold.

as much as I dislike Feingold, a neocon would be much worse. Feingold supports an end to the wars and voted against the patriot act. i think he would be much better than any neocon senator.

Hallamaat
06-30-2010, 04:39 AM
When I saw that the RLC endorsed Westlake, I thought "Oh hey, cool. I'll go check him out." The first thing that I checked out on his website was, of course, his views on foreign policy to see if he's Neocon-ish. Sure enough, when I saw that he supports the WOT as well as our illustrious global missions, I couldn't roll my eyes hard enough. Johnson can go to hell too.

Rob Taylor (http://robtaylorforsenate.com/) is the only candidate that I'd feel good about supporting in this race.

Hallamaat
06-30-2010, 04:39 AM
as much as I dislike Feingold, a neocon would be much worse. Feingold supports an end to the wars and voted against the patriot act. i think he would be much better than any neocon senator.

Indeed.

Koz
06-30-2010, 04:52 AM
Seems like three terrible choices from where I'm looking at it.

Take your pick, war on terror or I'm going to make you buy healthcare. Either one is an affront to liberty.

itshappening
06-30-2010, 06:04 AM
Like in Indiana, we can't win in Wisconsin

Shame we cannot be active everywhere.

I would take Feingold over a neocon Rethuglican

Slutter McGee
06-30-2010, 10:18 AM
as much as I dislike Feingold, a neocon would be much worse. Feingold supports an end to the wars and voted against the patriot act. i think he would be much better than any neocon senator.

If we were not looking at an economic catasrophe coming I would completely agree with you. But right now, a republican (even a neo-con) is almost preferable to a democrat, because they will actually try and cut some spending...not because they believe in it, but because of the political pressure that will be on them.

Thats not to say that our interventionist foreign policy will not run us into the ground financially also, but rather that I will support anything that will throw a wrench into the Obama agenda.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

specsaregood
06-30-2010, 10:59 AM
as much as I dislike Feingold, a neocon would be much worse. Feingold supports an end to the wars and voted against the patriot act. i think he would be much better than any neocon senator.

Not true right now, not while the Republicans are the party of opposition. Just look, Mccain had a 90% conservative voting record of the last year. These are party people and they will oppose big government as long as obama is in office.

klamath
06-30-2010, 11:14 AM
Partisan Gridlocked government is our best hope now. Maybe the progressives will rally back around the anti war agenda while the neocons rally around opposing Obama's domestic socialism and neither will get their way.

John Taylor
06-30-2010, 11:22 AM
as much as I dislike Feingold, a neocon would be much worse. Feingold supports an end to the wars and voted against the patriot act. i think he would be much better than any neocon senator.

Are you kidding me??? Have you heard of McCain-Feingold??? Feingold is one of the worst politicians in Washington. A neo-con who opposed limits on the 1st amendment and supported balanced budgets and a free market economy would be preferable to this socialist.

Imperial
06-30-2010, 12:21 PM
If we were not looking at an economic catasrophe coming I would completely agree with you. But right now, a republican (even a neo-con) is almost preferable to a democrat, because they will actually try and cut some spending...not because they believe in it, but because of the political pressure that will be on them.

Thats not to say that our interventionist foreign policy will not run us into the ground financially also, but rather that I will support anything that will throw a wrench into the Obama agenda.

Sincerely,

Slutter McGee

Feingold was one of the earliest supporters of audit the fed, voted for Vitter's amendment to restore S 604, and has promised to vote against the financial regulation bill.


Are you kidding me??? Have you heard of McCain-Feingold??? Feingold is one of the worst politicians in Washington. A neo-con who opposed limits on the 1st amendment and supported balanced budgets and a free market economy would be preferable to this socialist.

While a "neocon" would be supporting the death of thousands of innocents overseas and the subordination of individual autonomy of the state through legislation like the Patriot Act? Sometimes, there just is not a good choice.

AuH20
06-30-2010, 12:24 PM
Are you kidding me??? Have you heard of McCain-Feingold??? Feingold is one of the worst politicians in Washington. A neo-con who opposed limits on the 1st amendment and supported balanced budgets and a free market economy would be preferable to this socialist.

John, I disagree. Feingold is actually one of the scarce few liberals who I would consider principled. In fact, I trust him more than those two turncoats Kucinich and Sanders.

John Taylor
06-30-2010, 12:26 PM
John, I disagree. Feingold is actually one of the scarce few liberals who I would consider principled. In fact, I trust him more than those two turncoats Kucinich and Sanders.

Trusting him more than Kucinich and Sanders isn't saying much...

All three of them are socialists who need to be retired.

paulitics
06-30-2010, 12:28 PM
Feingold is ALOT better than most dems. He is/was a great ally at times. I prefer Feingold over your average neocon. People are really short sighted here, and forget that a war may be right on a doorstep if there is enough support in the Senate.

John Taylor
06-30-2010, 12:30 PM
Feingold is ALOT better than most dems. He is/was a great ally at times. I prefer Feingold over your average neocon. People are really short sighted here, and forget that a war may be right on a doorstep if there is enough support in the Senate.

There's no money for prosecuting a war, and no manpower even were it funded. There's no way we'll get into another ground war at present. What about Feingold as the deciding vote for Obamacare? What about for Kagan? Hmm?

AuH20
06-30-2010, 12:31 PM
Trusting him more than Kucinich and Sanders isn't saying much...

All three of them are socialists who need to be retired.

But Feingold is not your average liberal. He actually exhibits a conscience about defecit spending.

http://feingold.senate.gov/deficit/history.html

Also, Feingold actually went after Obama about the constitutionality of his appointed czars. While I certainly would take Sessions, Coburn, & DeMint over Feingold every day week, you would have a hard time convincing me he's not better than Lamar Alexander or Lindsey Graham. Feingold is the least of the problems in our Senate.

John Taylor
06-30-2010, 12:32 PM
But Feingold is not your average liberal. He actually exhibits a conscience about defecit spending.

http://feingold.senate.gov/deficit/history.html

Also, Feingold actually went after Obama about the constitutionality of his appointed czars. While I certainly would take Sessions, Coburn, DeMint over Feingold every day week, you would have a hard time convincing me he's not better than Lamar Alexander or Lindsey Graham. Feingold is the least of the problems in our Senate.

We need to replace Alexander and Graham as well... but I don't care if Feingold exhibits a conscience when he spends my great-great grandchildren's money... I care that he VOTES for it.

Brian4Liberty
07-14-2010, 01:42 PM
DeMint has endorsed Ron Johnson.

http://www.senateconservatives.com/site/profile/15/ron-johnson


Dear Friends:

Ron JohnsonI'm proud to announce the endorsement of Ron Johnson for U.S. Senate in Wisconsin against 18-year incumbent Democrat Senator Russ Feingold. Politico just published a report on the endorsement, which you can read here.

Ron Johnson is a principled conservative who will fight to stop the massive spending, bailouts, and debt that are bankrupting our country. He understands the stimulus bill was a failure, he will fight to repeal the health care takeover, he opposes amnesty, and he will help us pass a constitutional amendment to balance the budget.

Ron Johnson is also pro-life, pro-marriage, and pro-second amendment. He opposes government bailouts and will fight to preserve individual liberty.

Ron owns a manufacturing company in Oshkosh, Wisconsin and is not a career politician. He came to meet with me a few weeks ago on his first-ever trip to Washington. He told me he decided to run for the Senate after the President signed health care takeover. It was just too much for him to stay on the sidelines.

Ron explained that he is running to join the fight for our nation's freedoms, not to join the Senate club. That's exactly the kind of leader people in Wisconsin and all across America want in Washington.

Support Ron Johnson's Senate Campaign

Ron JohnsonA June 22nd Rasmussen Reports survey showed Ron Johnson in a statistical dead heat with his Democratic opponent, Senator Russ Feingold. With very limited name awareness, Johnson is already within 1 point of Feingold.

Johnson has attracted substantial support from grass roots conservatives throughout Wisconsin. In May, he won the endorsement of the Republican Party of Wisconsin at their state convention with 63% of the vote.

Ron Johnson is a businessman running for office because he loves his country and wants to do his part to save it. In a recent column in the Washington Post, George Will said Ron Johnson "is what the Tea Party looks like."

Ron Johnson is a common sense conservative who can win. He's in an uphill fight against an entrenched incumbent but I believe he's the right man with the right ideas at the right time.

Ron JohnsonIf we want to create an earthquake election this November and make 2010 the year of the conservative comeback, we must help Ron Johnson win this critical Senate race.

The Senate Conservatives Fund will do everything it can to push Ron on to victory. We're going to work hard to make sure voters in Wisconsin hear his message and that freedom-loving Americans across the country support his campaign. If he's elected, he will help us take our country back.

MRoCkEd
07-14-2010, 01:56 PM
This race sounds like a "lesser of two evils." Johnson supports REAL ID and the PATRIOT Act. Feingold is pretty good on civil liberties, but he's a socialist.

South Park Fan
07-14-2010, 02:07 PM
So we have an incumbent Anti-First Amendment Democrat versus a challenger Anti-Fourth Amendment Republican. I think I'll pass.

ChaosControl
07-14-2010, 03:31 PM
Its a crap choice either way for Wisc.

He's a pro-abortionist.
But his opponents are pro-war.

He has good aspects and is probably better than most Ds, but I cannot support any pro-abortionists. If not for that, yeah I'd probably favor him over the neocons. As is, neutral crap.

libertybrewcity
07-14-2010, 03:32 PM
None of the Republican challengers are actually conservative. Demint and the NRSC just issued support for Johnson so he will be the challenger to Feingold. If I decide to register to vote in Wisconsin, I will probably vote for Feingold because he is anti-war, pro audit the fed, anti-patriot act. Better than a vote for more war, real id, and less freedom.

michaelwise
07-14-2010, 04:52 PM
A lot of lobbies investment would be lost with the loss of Fiengold.

It's better to vote all incumbents out if possible.

Galileo Galilei
07-14-2010, 04:57 PM
as much as I dislike Feingold, a neocon would be much worse. Feingold supports an end to the wars and voted against the patriot act. i think he would be much better than any neocon senator.

Agreed. Feingold is going to win anyway, so helping Johnson is a waste of time.

libertybrewcity
07-14-2010, 06:40 PM
Agreed. Feingold is going to win anyway, so helping Johnson is a waste of time.

I think people in Wisconsin like Feingold. When I am in Wisco I see more people with Feingold bumper stickers than any other politicians including Obama combined. I don't know how much that is saying but it surely stands for something.

I am thinking that I could vote for Feingold over the republican, but I may just not vote for either of the candidates or see who the libertarian is.

libertybrewcity
07-14-2010, 06:41 PM
A lot of lobbies investment would be lost with the loss of Fiengold.

It's better to vote all incumbents out if possible.

yes, it would be better but if you just trade one for one, it doesn't do any good. I think it would be best to wait for a tea party liberty candidate to come out.

Epic
07-14-2010, 06:41 PM
This is a good race to just vote Libertarian or independent or something.

TCE
07-14-2010, 06:52 PM
Why would you vote for either one? Vote Third Party. In Illinois we have a VERY similar choice: A Lindsey Graham Republican who supports Cap and Trade and bailouts with Mark Kirk. And Obama's best friend (literally) for the Democrat, Alexi Giannoulias. So, Libertarian for me.

Knightskye
07-14-2010, 07:06 PM
Seems like three terrible choices from where I'm looking at it.

Take your pick, war on terror or I'm going to make you buy healthcare. Either one is an affront to liberty.

States can't nullify the war.

TCE
07-14-2010, 07:13 PM
States can't nullify the war.

The National Guards have been sent over. The states are well within legal bounds to order their Guardsmen sent home.

Knightskye
07-14-2010, 07:16 PM
The National Guards have been sent over. The states are well within legal bounds to order their Guardsmen sent home.

But I'm saying if Feingold is re-elected, the "zomg he supports the health care law" argument is null -- pun intended.

TCE
07-14-2010, 07:25 PM
But I'm saying if Feingold is re-elected, the "zomg he supports the health care law" argument is null -- pun intended.

A good point. On the other hand, he will support virtually anything Obama puts forth, which is an obvious negative. On the other, other hand, why are we debating which horrible candidate is the right choice for Wisconsin voters? Can we agree with WI voters should choose the Libertarian?

libertybrewcity
07-14-2010, 09:49 PM
States can't nullify the war.

this is a senate race, not a gubernatorial race. The winner could vote against the war.

klamath
07-14-2010, 10:32 PM
The National Guards have been sent over. The states are well within legal bounds to order their Guardsmen sent home.
Nope, they lost that one. Once federalized the states have very little say, partially because the feds pay the weekend and the annual training salaries of the guardsmen and for most of the equipment for the National Guard.

Galileo Galilei
07-15-2010, 11:58 AM
Its a crap choice either way for Wisc.

He's a pro-abortionist.



right-wing BS. Fetuses don't pay rent.

John Taylor
07-15-2010, 12:12 PM
A good point. On the other hand, he will support virtually anything Obama puts forth, which is an obvious negative. On the other, other hand, why are we debating which horrible candidate is the right choice for Wisconsin voters? Can we agree with WI voters should choose the Libertarian?

No, because Feingold will win reelection if all the non-fiercely Republicans and Independents go over to the LP. 35% of voters will vote for whomever the Republicans nominate.

John Taylor
07-15-2010, 12:12 PM
right-wing BS. Fetuses don't pay rent.

They are human beings, entitled to the protection of their natural rights.

EPIC FAIL for consistency on your part.

Stary Hickory
07-15-2010, 12:18 PM
as much as I dislike Feingold, a neocon would be much worse. Feingold supports an end to the wars and voted against the patriot act. i think he would be much better than any neocon senator.

Actually no, Feingold supports taking my freedom to decide healthcare for myself, supports a huge regime, supports taking my liberties away regardless of the constitution.

He is a disgusting human being and ought to be kicked out NOW. I am so sick of this dribble. Just to be FREE I have to see as many Democrats go as possible...just to rid myself of this god awful healthcare bill, the financial power grabs and all this mess. The Dems have set a high bar for despostism, until HC is off the table and the government reduced in size no progressive will ever be a decent politician to have in DC.

As if progressives go to war any less than Neocons anyways. The wars in the Middle East are going to end very soon. And the GOP will think long and hard before doing something so foolish. In the meantime at least with progressives out of power we can regain some freedom while pushing states rights.....by the way progressives are dead set against states rights.

In fact they are dead set against almost every kind of freedom you can imagine.

Galileo Galilei
07-15-2010, 12:22 PM
They are human beings, entitled to the protection of their natural rights.

EPIC FAIL for consistency on your part.

What if they fail to pay rent? You have little respect for property rights. Landowners have the right to evict those who do not pay rent.

John Taylor
07-15-2010, 12:29 PM
What if they fail to pay rent? You have little respect for property rights. Landowners have the right to evict those who do not pay rent.

Babies are not tenants first of all...

Even if they were however, what if they fail to pay rent? You can't murder a tenant. That is what we are talking about, not evicting them. If a baby fails to pay rent, it may be evicted in 9 months, minus a little if it decides to move out earlier. You have to give tenants at least a 30 day window to depart, and in commercial real estate, it is 6 months. I fail to see why 9 months is such a burden.

I value property rights so very much that I cannot abide killing a self-owning individual to satisfy one's desire to be free from the repercussions of one's actions.

specsaregood
07-15-2010, 12:31 PM
Even if they were however, what if they fail to pay rent? You can't murder a tenant. That is what we are talking about, not evicting them. If a baby fails to pay rent, it may be evicted in 9 months, minus a little if it decides to move out earlier. You have to give tenants at least a 30 day window to depart, and in commercial real estate, it is 6 months. I fail to see why 9 months is such a burden.


Full of win right there.

Stary Hickory
07-15-2010, 12:34 PM
Ah abortion, it all comes down to when is a fetus a human being? The funny thing is pro abortion supporters run into a paradox the very right to their body that they claim gives them the right to kill a fetus is also the same right that protects the fetus.

I a not hardline by any means on the issue but I only get upset when someone is unapologetically for abortion no matter what the circumstances. We are potentially talking about killing another human being...it is not something you can be gungho for.

Distinguished Gentleman
07-15-2010, 03:38 PM
I was thinking about this paradox of choosing between choosing a neocon or a slightly less militant socialist in a broader sense. In this time when, I, an many others need a decent job, it appears to me that neocons may be a somewhat more practical brand of fascist. I do think they will invade Iran as soon as it is the least bit plausible. I'm not fully convinced that a democratic president wouldn't do the same.
As much as I dislike republicans, they threaten less of my self-interests. I don't want to open up a planned parenthood/medical marijuana shop that serves gay illegal immigrants. I won't participate in their wars of foreign aggression. I want to be able to take care of myself and eventually my offspring in a relatively prosperous society.

Galileo Galilei
07-15-2010, 03:43 PM
If Feingold is a socialist, I'd hate to se what the reat of the Senate is.

Feingold has the best overall record on voting fiscally conservative in the Senate.

libertybrewcity
07-15-2010, 03:44 PM
No, because Feingold will win reelection if all the non-fiercely Republicans and Independents go over to the LP. 35% of voters will vote for whomever the Republicans nominate.

Probably way way more than 35%.

HOLLYWOOD
07-15-2010, 03:53 PM
So we have an incumbent Anti-First Amendment Democrat versus a challenger Anti-Fourth Amendment Republican. I think I'll pass.


It would be nice for the Judge to have him on the show, then sandbag his ass about violation of the US Constitution, Liberties and Freedoms.

Maybe I'll contact the Judge and see if he can expose some of these FONYs.

libertybrewcity
07-15-2010, 03:54 PM
Actually no, Feingold supports taking my freedom to decide healthcare for myself, supports a huge regime, supports taking my liberties away regardless of the constitution.

He is a disgusting human being and ought to be kicked out NOW. I am so sick of this dribble. Just to be FREE I have to see as many Democrats go as possible...just to rid myself of this god awful healthcare bill, the financial power grabs and all this mess. The Dems have set a high bar for despostism, until HC is off the table and the government reduced in size no progressive will ever be a decent politician to have in DC.

As if progressives go to war any less than Neocons anyways. The wars in the Middle East are going to end very soon. And the GOP will think long and hard before doing something so foolish. In the meantime at least with progressives out of power we can regain some freedom while pushing states rights.....by the way progressives are dead set against states rights.

In fact they are dead set against almost every kind of freedom you can imagine.

You are saying that you would support a Republican that would vote for real id, wars everywhere, and everything that bush put up during his two terms? The dems are just as guilty as Republicans for screwing up this country. They are both corporatist parties that love money and vote for the needs of lobbyists over the people.

If Ron Johnson is in the Senate what are the chances of getting anything repealed? Probably zero if the senate is 50-50 as it is likely to be in January 2010. The Dems can't do much more harm but we could get our audit the fed bill through and maybe a repeal of the patriot as well as bringing some troops home with Feingold in the Senate.

Again, I am not going to vote for Feingold but I think that he is better than a neocon. If we get a Republican in the senate we would be stuck with him for how many terms!? If Feingold is in there we would have another chance in the next election to elect a truly conservative Republican.

John Taylor
07-15-2010, 03:59 PM
If Feingold is a socialist, I'd hate to se what the reat of the Senate is.

Feingold has the best overall record on voting fiscally conservative in the Senate.

B.S.

John Taylor
07-15-2010, 04:00 PM
Probably way way more than 35%.

That's pretty close to the percentage Goldwater got... it's measured by the base of support in worst election cycle...

libertybrewcity
07-15-2010, 04:03 PM
That's pretty close to the percentage Goldwater got... it's measured by the base of support in worst election cycle...

Goldwater? The guy who ran 46 years ago??!

specsaregood
07-15-2010, 04:14 PM
Feingold has the best overall record on voting fiscally conservative in the Senate.

B.S.

It might be true. If you can't count the costs of the wars or patriot act against him. He might very well have voted for less total money spent than other senators. How much have these wars and department of homeland security cost us now? Trillions?