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rp08rp
10-14-2007, 11:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LysxbVZ1DNM

1. Foreign policy
2. People care more about sports/celebrities than vigilance with Republic
3. Globalists / Greed have control of our political apparatus

partypooper
10-14-2007, 12:18 PM
i can tell you why people in serbia hate america (although they didn't use to, at least not to this extent).

1) because of the 1999 bombing that most americans completely forgot about

2) because US keeps saying that serbia needs to cooperate with the hague tribunal (international tribunal for war crimes) despite the fact that a. the US doesn't do that (and rightly so) b. that serbia already delivered 95+% of those accused of war crimes, including almost all major presidents and generals

3) because US strongly supports kosovo independence. i bet 99.99% americans are completely unaware of this issue, but it is a very big deal on the balkans and it is supposed to be resolved at the beggining of december.

exlanation: i am from there originally but i am a us citizen now. i strongly support dr paul because of his view of the role of the government. it is really ironic when you leave your parents, your homecountry and commite to the language you will never speak as well as your mother tongue only to find yourself in (militant) socialism all over again.

rp08rp
10-14-2007, 12:30 PM
cheers to you

steph3n
10-14-2007, 12:31 PM
reason, because we get our foot in their affairs and the truth is many people in the US are so used to it they support it :(

partypooper
10-14-2007, 04:26 PM
reason, because we get our foot in their affairs and the truth is many people in the US are so used to it they support it :(

i am sure there are some other reasons which make some people apparently believe that, if they blow themselves up they will go to heaven and have a lot of sex. but i think there is little doubt that the US involvement is a contributing factor in this hatred and, in places like serbia, probably the main reason.

FreedomLover
10-14-2007, 04:44 PM
We now value stupidity over intellect; ignorance over watchfulness; vanity over civic duty.

The other issues mentioned arise from these 3 things.

johngr
10-14-2007, 04:53 PM
Arrogance, disregarding everyone elses concerns and points-of-view, extreme self-reference and self-concern and this http://www.metacafe.com/watch/730204/stupid_american/ kind of ignorance of the world outside the US

m72mc
10-14-2007, 05:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LysxbVZ1DNM

1. Foreign policy
2. People care more about sports/celebrities than vigilance with Republic
3. Globalists / Greed have control of our political apparatus

well since you ask..

here in northern Europe.

1. we don't like your foreign policy. we don't feel itīs ok to go around killing millions of people. we feel diplomacy and good standards are better and we have done that a very long time now. Last my country was at war was 200 years ago or so.

2. People who go to the us for a year in school usually comes back totally amazed that some us citizens canīt point out the us on a world map.
Ofc you have a lot of poverty that we donīt have that might explain it.

3. I have serious doubt about your democrazy.

we donīt hate americans but we dont like your policys. americans are usually very open minded and very friendly. :)

dircha
10-14-2007, 05:54 PM
4. For our freedom.

J4ck
10-14-2007, 05:54 PM
Everyone in Europe hates Bush with a passion. But even the mainstream left here knows about the US proxy massacres from Indonesia to Nicaragua, so we hate the -empire,rogue/terror state-, not the people.
+the people here think that the americans are the dumbest people on the planet, not my thought but it's pretty much the public opinion. (and a second term for Bush didn't make that any better)

sorry. ;)

Pharoah
10-15-2007, 02:00 AM
As a Brit, I don't hate America, but I think your great patriotism is too easily used against you; anytime TPTB want you to support something immoral, unethical or just plain illegal, they simply wave your flag around and tell you that its supporting the troops to follow their lead. Ron Paul is a breath of fresh air.

johngr
10-15-2007, 02:04 AM
well since you ask..

here in northern Europe.

1. we don't like your foreign policy. we don't feel itīs ok to go around killing millions of people. we feel diplomacy and good standards are better and we have done that a very long time now. Last my country was at war was 200 years ago or so.

2. People who go to the us for a year in school usually comes back totally amazed that some us citizens canīt point out the us on a world map.
Ofc you have a lot of poverty that we donīt have that might explain it.

3. I have serious doubt about your democrazy.

we donīt hate americans but we dont like your policys. americans are usually very open minded and very friendly. :)

Where are you from?

partypooper
10-15-2007, 09:45 AM
error

Thunderbolt
10-15-2007, 10:12 AM
It is easy for people in America not to notice war. It doesn't happen here. If you lived in Europe or a place where bombs did get dropped in a war, you wouldn't like wars so much.

The U.S. gov't has been involved in so much bloodshed. I think we are now up to one million Iraqi deaths. If the number I heard the other day is true. One million dead. We had 3000 die here and we mourned for years. They haven't had a month go by when that many haven't died and they are much smaller than we are.

Most of the time, most of us have no idea what our gov't is doing in other countries, but they sure do. They don't like dying. Or losing a leg, or their eyes, or a sibling or a parent or child. This war barely affects us. Can you imagine what it would be like to be terrified to walk out your door because the (pick a group) were dropping bombs on your city? Can you imagine what it is like to have at least one if not all of your family killed by the (pick a group)?

None of us can remember the civil war when a war was fought on our soil. But folks in the rest of the world live with war all the time. It is much different for them.

JMann
10-15-2007, 10:19 AM
1) Jealousy
2) Foreign Policy

Our foreign policy doesn't help at all but there is no more natural instinct in human nature to want what you can't have. The want, creates a strong dislike for those that already have.

klamath
10-15-2007, 10:29 AM
I have a big problem with American foreign policy and want to change it, however for people in Europe to talk about how great their counties are is pretty stupid. More stupid wars started in Europe and America started going downhill when we started joining European wars. We stupidly took over problems England and France created in the middle east. I notice the guy from Northern Europe won't identify his country for critique. No country is without blood on their hands.

kalami
10-15-2007, 10:40 AM
I am always annoyed by people like the lady in the video who called the U.S. a young country and that we have a lot to learn or Europe is so sophisticated. If you're calling a country young strictly because of how long it's been established then that's fine but if you're calling it young because the country supposedly has some maturity level then you're an idiot. A country isn't sentient it cannot be mature nor immature and it really emphasizes the lack of a person's understanding to what are very complex issues when they go "the U.S. is acting like a child."

Mattsa
10-15-2007, 11:27 AM
4. For our freedom.

Twaddle!

I get really annoyed when Americans say people hate them for their freedom. It is absolute nonsense.

I happen to like Americans! My girlfriend is American. I've spent some time in America and the people are very friendly, always polite. I was in North Carolina just a couple weeks ago and it's amazing how easy it is to strike up a conversation with people.

It's America's government and foreign policy that rattles everyone. Unfortunately, Americans are very ignorant about the activities of their own government abroad and a comparatively small percentage of American people travel abroad, get to see foreign culture and meet people with different religious views etc etc.

My brother worked for a charity in Iraq after the invasion. 2 things struck him more than anything else. The first was the friendliness of the Iraqi people. The second was the incredible level of destruction caused by America's military might.

Some estimates calculate as many as 1 million people have died in Iraq since the invasion of the country by America and Britain. I repeat 1 MILLION people

Thats a 9-11 a day, every day for nearly a whole year.

America is fighting this war in Iraq for oil and to ensure that oil stays priced in dollars. The dollar is an oil backed currency. When Saddam Hussein decided to sell his oil for Euros, he unwittingly declared war on America. Now Iran is also selling its oil for Euros, further undermining the dollar which is losing its value on the foreign exchange markets ever more rapidly. Today, gold is $768oz! Oil is over $80 a barrel. America's empire is unwinding fast.

American administations have toppled democratically elected governments in several countries and replaced them with dictators in order to serve the American oil companies and corporations. Chile was a democracy. Their government was toppled by the CIA and replaced by Augusto Pinochet, a fascist who went on to kill thousands of his own people. The CIA also backed a coup in Venuzuela in 2002to topple Hugo Chavez, a man who despite having socialist leanings has done wonderful things for his people. The American governemnt has funded wars all across Central and South america to protect its interests, Panama, Nicaragua, Bolivia.....the list goes on.

Then there is the middle east.

As Ron Paul has pointed out several times, the CIA toppled a democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 and installed the Shah of Iran, another dictator who murdered and tortured many of his own people.

The British, not to be outdone, fought wars in Iraq between the wars to pillage their oil.

The British and Americans created Isreal and millions of Palestinians were thrown off their land.

They fought wars in Korea and Vietnam where millions died including very many American soldiers.

America has be involved either directly or indirectly in every single war that has been fought since 1945 anywhere in the world.

So please, spare us the 'They hate us for our freedom' BS! That's the insane rhetoric of Bush and the NeoCons and they use it to justify evermore death and destruction across the world.

Do a goolge search on some of the really top journalists and educate yourself about American foreign policy. John Pilger and Greg Palast would be a good start

Conza88
10-15-2007, 11:33 AM
I believe what it comes down to is, hypocrisy.
We continually hear that America's the no. 1 country in the world, blah blah - from the Bush Administration. And that the US is a beacon of freedom for the rest of the world. Right now its not, its much the opposite.

Basically, people just want America to become what it professes! I guess the media outside the US has no vested interest in the system, and thus can report on the current state of affairs - with more honesty & truth, than the mainstream US media does - about the Bush Administration.

http://www.worldaudit.org/democracy.htm (World Democracy rating)

My opinion though, is that when Ron Paul gets nominated & subsequently makes it into the White House - the rhetoric will die, the lies, the deception. The US will pull out of Iraq. With non-interventionist foreign policy, the US is going to get a hell lot of less blame. The opinion of the US, from the world will change drastically. YOU guys ELECTED RON PAUL!? Not George Bush - twice!.

Let's make it happen. :D

Omnis
10-15-2007, 11:40 AM
My dad has a friend from Cyprus/South Africa who does international business. The only thing he despises about America is its foreign policy.

m72mc
10-15-2007, 11:41 AM
I have a big problem with American foreign policy and want to change it, however for people in Europe to talk about how great their counties are is pretty stupid. More stupid wars started in Europe and America started going downhill when we started joining European wars. We stupidly took over problems England and France created in the middle east. I notice the guy from Northern Europe won't identify his country for critique. No country is without blood on their hands.

Sweden. feel free to criticize. :)

ofc no country is blameless, some more though than others. no one is perfect. But I tried to answer the question on how we see the us over here.

there are also things we admire about the us. The incredible will to compete and win, much to do I think with the american dream concept.
Icehockey comes to mind, you always know even if they don't have the best team they always have high moral and fight to the end.
every country has different history ofc so different political solutions will be needed.
For america I think Ron would be a well needed change.

fj45lvr
10-15-2007, 11:41 AM
I love America!!!

I absolutely detest a whole bunch of ideas and people that hold them that live here though....the ones that have gradually led us to tyrannical "statism" over LIBERTY... But that IS THE NATURAL as Thomas Jefferson noted: "The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield."

The blame falls on the Patriots who sit in lethargy and watch it happen with merely a grumble. Look at this excerpt from Jefferson's first Continental Congress declaration:

With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare, that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers, which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us, the arms we have been compelled by our enemies to assume, we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverence, employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live slaves

Mattsa
10-15-2007, 11:44 AM
My dad has a friend from Cyprus/South Africa who does international business. The only thing he despises about America is its foreign policy.

There you go!

Always the same sentiment.

It's not the American people we dislike, it's the policy of Amerca's governments

Mattsa
10-15-2007, 11:51 AM
I love America!!!

I absolutely detest a whole bunch of ideas and people that hold them that live here though....the ones that have gradually led us to tyrannical "statism" over LIBERTY... But that IS THE NATURAL as Thomas Jefferson noted: "The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield."

The blame falls on the Patriots who sit in lethargy and watch it happen with merely a grumble. Look at this excerpt from Jefferson's first Continental Congress declaration:

With hearts fortified with these animating reflections, we most solemnly, before God and the world, declare, that, exerting the utmost energy of those powers, which our beneficent Creator hath graciously bestowed upon us, the arms we have been compelled by our enemies to assume, we will, in defiance of every hazard, with unabating firmness and perseverence, employ for the preservation of our liberties; being with one mind resolved to die freemen rather than to live slaves

I feel the same about my government here in the UK

Both Britain and America have slowly undermined the education system over the decades.

Here in the UK, we don't just have house price inflation, we have exam grade inflation. We have thousands of kids leaving school with bucket loads of qualifications but employers often find their level of basic literacy and numeracy is appalling. How can people judge their own politicians anymore when they are so dumb?? I suspect, the same situation exists in the USA

It's deliberate! I'm convinced the education system has been undermined to keep people dumb and subserviant. Instead of reading and learing, our young people watch 200 channels of shite on TV, play Grand Theft Auto and fantasize about being on Big Brother or being a fekkwit celebrity

Big Brother! What an ironic name for such a popular TV show. I makes you wanna cry

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 12:04 PM
I don't hate America, I hate what you've allowed your country to become... You've been lazy and authoritarian. God help the Planet that you can pull it together... I grew up in America and moved to Australia 25 years ago... Got a scholarship, and played some Big 10 football before I left if that gives me cred. I have a brother, a U.S. citizen, who lives in Albuquerque... I have donated heavily to Ron Pauls campaign, and I'm no longer a U.S. citizen. For you who haven't donated to this Man's campaign fully, take a good look at your fore-fathers, and get back to me. Be the beacon, get this once in a life time Patriot elected! The world will follow.

klamath
10-15-2007, 12:47 PM
Sweden. feel free to criticize. :)

ofc no country is blameless, some more though than others. no one is perfect. But I tried to answer the question on how we see the us over here.

there are also things we admire about the us. The incredible will to compete and win, much to do I think with the american dream concept.
Icehockey comes to mind, you always know even if they don't have the best team they always have high moral and fight to the end.
every country has different history ofc so different political solutions will be needed.
For america I think Ron would be a well needed change.

I won't criticise Sweden though I can think of blunders on the Swedish governments part, for it would serve none of us well. I had some good friends that were Swedish when I served along side the North pole brigade in Bosnia as well as Norweigians and Danes. I love the music of northern Europe far better than American music. As I write this I am listening to the band Godewind from Northern Germany.
A lot of Americans were under the impression the people's of other countries wanted help in their wars especially WWI and WWII. We were under the impression we are helping when we saw tyrant caused human suffering around the world. If we can only come to realize to stay out and let the chips fall where they may no matter how much the images of human caused horror tears at our hearts. I served in Iraq and flew over hundreds of miles of trench works and destruction left by the wars of Saddamn. Dispite popular opinion the vast majority of the weapons of his war machine were of French, Itallian and Russian make.

sky21448
10-15-2007, 02:08 PM
when people say terrorist attack cuz of our freedom, BS...
We lost freedom a long time ago.
The student who got teased in florida and UCLA....those are call freedom?
what kinda of freedom do we have...
Federal reserve bank is a monopoly is that a freedom?
where is freedom of trade?
where is freedom of keeping the money that i made from labor???
WHERE IS MY FREEDOM?


"THEY HATE US CUZ OF FREEDOM" <---- simply BS!

Richard
10-15-2007, 02:50 PM
I am from New Zealand. Most of us have met and liked many American citizens however many talk that USA is simply bizarre.
USA seems to love seeing itself as the biggest and the best at everything. Most of the decisions as such are perhaps like a bully in a playground in that you force yourselves into military situations to stamp your authority. Like the bully however you never hold your authority for long and Vietnam and Iraq are seen as disgraces amongst others.
Its kind of like a very immature strong wealthy young man making decisions that affect people without the foresight of wisdom...perhaps a prince acting before he is rightfully king. This relates to why many older countries havent had wars for a long time.
My friends and I are gobsmacked at your huge variations in thought in your country...
Your gun lobby is bizarre, a remnant from a harsh past and you accept school massacres and street violence. You decimated your natives and have lost many wonderful values.
You have high and righteous religious groups and yet you have the largest sex industry per capita. These divergences make it hard to make decent decisions. Your treatment of race, poor, and minority groups is callous at best and we dont believe large accumulations of dollars ever wins the best people outcomes.
No other country would allow its federal reserve to be privately owned and yet you have allowed a rich elite to gather all the capital to an extent where it is all powerful and this can be seen with your elections how the rich mans puppet allways wins.
For a country with a rich makeup of genes and strong people we see your money way as self destructive and it is high time you took a people and world responsibility approach rather than having a gung ho...wars to make money approach.
I do still like you guys though..just think you got to tidy up your act.

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 03:06 PM
I am from New Zealand. Most of us have met and liked many American citizens however many talk that USA is simply bizarre.
USA seems to love seeing itself as the biggest and the best at everything. Most of the decisions as such are perhaps like a bully in a playground in that you force yourselves into military situations to stamp your authority. Like the bully however you never hold your authority for long and Vietnam and Iraq are seen as disgraces amongst others.
Its kind of like a very immature strong wealthy young man making decisions that affect people without the foresight of wisdom...perhaps a prince acting before he is rightfully king. This relates to why many older countries havent had wars for a long time.
My friends and I are gobsmacked at your huge variations in thought in your country...
Your gun lobby is bizarre, a remnant from a harsh past and you accept school massacres and street violence. You decimated your natives and have lost many wonderful values.
You have high and righteous religious groups and yet you have the largest sex industry per capita. These divergences make it hard to make decent decisions. Your treatment of race, poor, and minority groups is callous at best and we dont believe large accumulations of dollars ever wins the best people outcomes.
No other country would allow its federal reserve to be privately owned and yet you have allowed a rich elite to gather all the capital to an extent where it is all powerful and this can be seen with your elections how the rich mans puppet allways wins.
For a country with a rich makeup of genes and strong people we see your money way as self destructive and it is high time you took a people and world responsibility approach rather than having a gung ho...wars to make money approach.
I do still like you guys though..just think you got to tidy up your act.

Pity about the Rugby. Should have been the All-blacks and the Wallabies in the final. Good remarks.

Richandler
10-15-2007, 03:15 PM
I think most Americans don't even like freedom, yet they they use the concept abusively. Most people in America are ignorant socialist who want everyone to be equal yet they fail and fall on their face time and time again. The whole world hates us because we are more extreme form of socialism in the world right now. We spread our so called democracy around the world with the point of a gun. People hate America for a variety of reasons, but only Americans hate it for its freedom.

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 03:26 PM
America is a beautiful country, that is being re-awoken by the Patriots supporting Ron Paul. No matter what is said, no one owns the word Patriot, except Americans.

Richard
10-15-2007, 03:29 PM
This is one example of where money and power dominate.
Rockefella manufactures alot of pills. Every time someone in the world gets sick and takes pills a dollar goes to rockefella.
If you delve you will find a Rockefella connection owns the companies that research the pill is efeective and give it the green light for use.
Worse the FDA seems to do everything that the Pill industry wants. The FDA simply destroy any competition and there is no freedom in its suppression of any alternative. I find it amusing how a Rockefella turns up in congress or the senate once in a while just to keep his hand on the ship.
The destruction and holding back of alternative health in your country and effectively the world is disgusting.
The same can be said for the electric car...for gawds sake about one days expenditure in Iraq would see you all in electric cars.
These old families truly do dominate and I see the Bush to Clinton to Bush to clinton...just putty in their hands...ITs pretty obvious they are connected in an old buys elite kind of way....your country simply cant progress under such a regime.
Time you guys got out and changed it and depowered them

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 03:38 PM
I love America and Americans, but could you make some adjustments, cause you're scaring the Holy Shit out of us!

Andrew76
10-15-2007, 04:23 PM
Having travelled all around the UK and western Europe, the feeling I usually got was: yeah, we think Americans are fine, but your government is fucked. Which really comes down to George W. Bush being the complete, unqualified and ridiculous a-hole that he is. Fair enough, I agree. However, in my mind, our system of government even as it stands now, is still superior in many ways to those in which I visited, ie: UK, Germany, France, Spain, Belgium. People who think our relative level of socialist policies have gotten out of control should spend a while in any of these countries. The conclusion is obviously (and again, my experience with the people of these countries mirrors this): people everywhere are basically the same and we truly want the same things: Life, Liberty, Happiness. It's our governments that are giving us all headaches. Again though, no one really gets off the hook for doing terrible shit either to their own people, or to people of other countries. The U.S. just happens to be the one currently causing the most trouble.
People who think the taxes are bad here need to move to the UK/Europe for a while. You'd find the difference is maddening. Or at least, I did. My travels at least made me appreciate so much more, what I've got here at home. It used to make me gag when overly patriotic Americans would say things like, "Well, you may not like it here, but it's still the best place to live in the world." Like we're some kind of winning sports team or something. However, in my experience, if the measurement is by individual liberties, taxes, property rights and regulations, the U.S. is still, by far, the best place to live. Isn't liberty what this movement is all about?
This of course totally ignores the obvious, shameful and embarassing problem right now: U.S. foreign policy. With any luck Ron Paul will become our next president, or at least wake enough people up so that this movement can continue to snowball and the orginal intent of the founding fathers and of the constitution can be restored.
I'd also urge all my fellow Americans to not feel embarassed to feel good to be American, it all depends on how you define it. When I visited Europe, certain people warned me, "Oh god, make sure you don't bring attention to the fact that you're American. Europeans don't like Americans! Maybe you should do what my friends did and wear a Canadian flag button?" You know what? F*ck that. Ignorance is ignorance, and if a person anywhere is going to judge me as an individual by some lame stereotype, or by the actions of an administration whom I voted against, then that person is an ignorant idiot. If there was some ignorant hick calling French people "****" or hating them for some stupid reason, or simply because they were French, we'd recognize it for the ignorance that it is. It makes no difference where you're from, assholes are everywhere. Judge people as individuals, not as nationalities.

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 04:45 PM
If Ron Paul doesn't win, come to Australia. Seriously. As an x-Yank I can highly recommend it. Kind of like living in Wyoming with kick ass beaches. Surf, sand, and sun baby.

Man from La Mancha
10-15-2007, 05:04 PM
If Ron Paul doesn't win, come to Australia. Seriously. As an x-Yank I can highly recommend it. Kind of like living in Wyoming with kick ass beaches. Surf, sand, and sun baby.
And getting thrown in jail for thought crimes. Try disagreeing publicly with the Holocaust. Or trying to carry concealed guns. That country is even more under the NWO's thumb and could go Marshal law too. Let me know if I'm wrong.

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 05:12 PM
Sorry mate, this isn't Nirvana but you are way out of line. Please don't illustrate your point with bizzare links as I live here and know better.

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 05:15 PM
And getting thrown in jail for thought crimes. Try disagreeing publicly with the Holocaust. Or trying to carry concealed guns. That country is even more under the NWO's thumb and could go Marshal law too. Let me know if I'm wrong.

I personally own several guns, one being a .44mag handgun revolver, and your right I cannot carry it in public concealed or not.

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 05:18 PM
And getting thrown in jail for thought crimes. Try disagreeing publicly with the Holocaust. Or trying to carry concealed guns. That country is even more under the NWO's thumb and could go Marshal law too. Let me know if I'm wrong.

Go check out the stats of percentage of population in jail related to population.

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 05:19 PM
And getting thrown in jail for thought crimes. Try disagreeing publicly with the Holocaust. Or trying to carry concealed guns. That country is even more under the NWO's thumb and could go Marshal law too. Let me know if I'm wrong.

AIPAC doesn't have the same influence here.

Ozwest
10-15-2007, 05:23 PM
Martial law. Have a look in your own backyard.

m72mc
10-15-2007, 05:39 PM
I won't criticise Sweden though I can think of blunders on the Swedish governments part, for it would serve none of us well. I had some good friends that were Swedish when I served along side the North pole brigade in Bosnia as well as Norweigians and Danes. I love the music of northern Europe far better than American music. As I write this I am listening to the band Godewind from Northern Germany.
A lot of Americans were under the impression the people's of other countries wanted help in their wars especially WWI and WWII. We were under the impression we are helping when we saw tyrant caused human suffering around the world. If we can only come to realize to stay out and let the chips fall where they may no matter how much the images of human caused horror tears at our hearts. I served in Iraq and flew over hundreds of miles of trench works and destruction left by the wars of Saddamn. Dispite popular opinion the vast majority of the weapons of his war machine were of French, Itallian and Russian make.

you should know that everyone here loved and still love the Americans for coming to Europe to get rid of Hitler. That is one of the reasons we still support you.
Still it is changing more and more since the us now attack third world nations.
coming to fight a war, winning and leaving for a good cause is one thing, lying about the reason and staying forever is another.
after 9 11 everyone here was supportive of you but it has eroded now due to your actions. But we did suffer with you after the 9 11 event.
the official policy of Sweden is usually to support the us, though at times we have criticized also, but nowadays the policy is always support in words, though that does not always reflect how the population feels.
we never support with military unless it only is peace keeping only under un, since we never will go to war. But I have a friend who was in Bosnia I think, never in combat as we only do peace keeping. Actually we were not in the ww2 either, but then we are a small country with only 9 million inhabitants.

klamath
10-15-2007, 06:37 PM
you should know that everyone here loved and still love the Americans for coming to Europe to get rid of Hitler. That is one of the reasons we still support you.
Still it is changing more and more since the us now attack third world nations.
coming to fight a war, winning and leaving for a good cause is one thing, lying about the reason and staying forever is another.
after 9 11 everyone here was supportive of you but it has eroded now due to your actions. But we did suffer with you after the 9 11 event.
the official policy of Sweden is usually to support the us, though at times we have criticized also, but nowadays the policy is always support in words, though that does not always reflect how the population feels.
we never support with military unless it only is peace keeping only under un, since we never will go to war. But I have a friend who was in Bosnia I think, never in combat as we only do peace keeping. Actually we were not in the ww2 either, but then we are a small country with only 9 million inhabitants.

Quite interesting to talk to you about these issues and there are a lot of different issues out there. As I have stated in another thread I feel that America's involvement in WWI that broke the balance of power and stalemate percipatated the horrible conditions in Germany that fostered the rise of Hitler. I think that another one was not realizing the cold war was over and conducted our foreign policy as though it hadn't ended.

m72mc
10-15-2007, 06:51 PM
Quite interesting to talk to you about these issues and there are a lot of different issues out there. As I have stated in another thread I feel that America's involvement in WWI that broke the balance of power and stalemate percipatated the horrible conditions in Germany that fostered the rise of Hitler. I think that another one was not realizing the cold war was over and conducted our foreign policy as though it hadn't ended.


whatever has happened has happened, but lets hope the future can be better.
we all know the American people don't want to fight needless wars, just your government has pushed you there.
The good thing is that the people is starting to wake up and I believe the Americans will correct it eventually. Lets just hope its sooner than later.

whatever happens with the ron campaign I believe the movement will grow and very much affect the years to come.

Broadlighter
10-15-2007, 06:54 PM
I'm an American and this is my best guess as to why people outside of America would hate America:

Our Constitution and its original intent are not followed or heeded. Our nation's leaders do not uphold and protect the founding principles of this country as they are sworn to do. If they did, I have no doubt that we would be even more the envy of the world. People in other nations would want to emulate us and if they couldn't do that in their own countries, they would want to immigrate here.

Adamsa
10-15-2007, 06:55 PM
Of course Europe thinks America's intervention in WW2 was a good thing. It's these crappy meaningless minor wars without congressional declaration of war that are the problem.

trispear
10-15-2007, 07:36 PM
USA Population:
~300,000,000
World Population:
~6,600,000,000

We are roughly 1/22 of the World's Population but our businesses/politicians try to act that we are the world. This results in pushing others around in ways we never realize.

Ron Paul talking about blowback, Iran, and our actions the best: "We never remember and they never forget."

I'm not blaming America but those in power.

Corydoras
10-15-2007, 09:08 PM
What Richard said reflects best what I see in feedback comments in articles in the UK Times and the BBC websites.

Also, we let foreigners see cowboy movies (bad propaganda for us), a lot of us (including me) are fat, we talk loud in countries where people talk softly, and we make it hell for tourists to get into the country.

Gimme Some Truth
10-15-2007, 09:10 PM
The answer as to why America has a bad name is obvious. Foreign Policy and hypocrisy ( torture , spying etc )

On another note , the thing that worries me is iv never seen so many people define themselves via war and destruction as do in america. The movie "world police" springs to mind. Pleasure in war.
Im not surprised the majority of americans are so easily lead into wanting war time and time again.

As the thread isnt asking the question "why does the world hate the UK" i dont wish to, or believe i need to, counter act my above statements with the bad things about the UK .. they too are obvious. Thro-ought history there has never been such a blood thirsty , war-mongering nation. "The British Empire" says it all..


PS. I hope this thread doesnt get misconstrued as plain old "america bashing"... id hate for us to do "an Iran" and push the US RP voters into voting for a neocon !!! :P

leipo
10-15-2007, 09:11 PM
I love America!! (but i hate your current & previous foreign policy makers)

leipo
10-15-2007, 09:13 PM
Oh yeah, i think Hollywood 'culture' has a lot to do with it aswell.

klamath
10-15-2007, 10:14 PM
[QUOTE=

PS. I hope this thread doesnt get misconstrued as plain old "america bashing"... id hate for us to do "an Iran" and push the US RP voters into voting for a neocon !!! :P[/QUOTE]

I know the thread title is about America But I wish some of the foreign comments were tempered with points about what their countries have done wrong and how they would like to correct it. Then it would come across as a discusion of the problems of the world.
If it is all about "America bashing" it will not come across as constructive criticism and ways to improve the world. If I would show some of these post to the average American the majority reaction would not be good. I know many Americans that have traveled overseas and a great many came back talking about how arrogant and rude the foreigners were to them. I myself have been treated threatened and treated with utter disdain by a Canadian border guard. Told me if I had a handgun (Which I didn't think about having with me) "we Canadians don't allow handguns and they would just take my pretty little car away", in his words. I do not however hold any of this to represent the people of the other countries.

I think one of the most heartfelt antiwar songs was written about Australia's involvement in WWI. Many australians think it is a patriotic song yet it was about the stupidity of Austrialia's involvement in the battle of Galopoli.

If I would come out completely bashing your home countries, which is easy to do with any country on this earth, you are going to start getting rightfully defensive. If not then you are probably about ready to leave your home.

Pharoah
10-17-2007, 01:26 PM
With respect, I disagree that everyone should have to preface their response to the thread title by going off on a tangent about injustice in their own country... especially as there seems to be some consensus that it's American policy and not America itself that's the cause of ill feeling. Normally I don't like these kinds of threads anyway, but in the context of Ron Paul's remarks during that infamous debate, it's a legitimate question to ask... and the answers here seem to reinforce what RP had to say.
At the same time, I can understand where you're coming from, so by all means start a new thread called "What do non-Americans hate about their country?".

NinjaPirate
10-17-2007, 01:29 PM
They hate us because we're free, rich and prosperous(sp?). They're also jealous that we all drive Escalades with 17" spinnas. Don't hate.

DianeDL
10-17-2007, 06:10 PM
A lot of Americans were under the impression the people's of other countries wanted help in their wars especially WWI and WWII. We were under the impression we are helping when we saw tyrant caused human suffering around the world. If we can only come to realize to stay out and let the chips fall where they may no matter how much the images of human caused horror tears at our hearts. I served in Iraq and flew over hundreds of miles of trench works and destruction left by the wars of Saddamn. Dispite popular opinion the vast majority of the weapons of his war machine were of French, Itallian and Russian make.


There is something to be said about a War decloration by congress to protect our soil and people...something else when it is to protect....a few money hungry people or should I say corporations'...bank accounts...ie Iraq/oil

DianeDL
10-17-2007, 06:21 PM
They hate us because we're free, rich and prosperous(sp?). They're also jealous that we all drive Escalades with 17" spinnas. Don't hate.

You are kidding...right?!!! I don't feel free any more...wondering who could be tapping in on phone conversations simply because I don't agree with Bush.

I made more money last year than I've ever made in any year prior...but milk and gas and my water bill and I could go on have doubled but my income has not doubled in the last 5-10 years...I don't feel prosperous! And speaking of the price of gas....who wants to fill up an Escalade.....not me!

What RP said was that we need respect.....They do not hate us, (well most don't) they do not respect us. That is what needs to change.

CMoore
10-17-2007, 06:41 PM
Riddle me this. Why did Tony Blair go along with Bush and the War of Terror? Did he cut school the day they talked about the Great War? Your own Chief of General Staff, Richard Dannatt, is someone I admire greatly. He said a year ago that the British presence in Iraq was exacerbating the problem. (He uses big words like that.) He caught a bit of flack for it, but he became a personal hero of mine.

klamath
10-17-2007, 07:50 PM
With respect, I disagree that everyone should have to preface their response to the thread title by going off on a tangent about injustice in their own country... especially as there seems to be some consensus that it's American policy and not America itself that's the cause of ill feeling. Normally I don't like these kinds of threads anyway, but in the context of Ron Paul's remarks during that infamous debate, it's a legitimate question to ask... and the answers here seem to reinforce what RP had to say.
At the same time, I can understand where you're coming from, so by all means start a new thread called "What do non-Americans hate about their country?".

My post was in response to the gentleman for England being concerned that the thread would come across as America Bashing. The thread is legitmate but when posts go beyond what others see that makes them hate America and start praising how great their own country is the average American will get defensive and take it as a attack on America. It is human nature to rally behind your country as the posts talking about how great their own country proves. I am highly ashamed of my countries foreign policy and it is one of the reasons why I am working to get RP elected. When I see posts that come across as America bashing and I know that more than just diehard RP fans are looking at this site, I see votes being driven away.