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FrankRep
06-28-2010, 07:55 AM
The Washington Times reported June 24 that dozens of U.S. citizen may be targets for assassination by the Obama administration, as explained by Slate's Glenn Greenwald. by Thomas R. Eddlem


Dozens of U.S. Citizens May Be on Obama Assassination List (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/3881-dozens-of-us-citizens-may-be-on-obama-assassination-list)


Thomas R. Eddlem | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Monday, 28 June 2010


The Washington Times reported (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jun/24/dozens-from-us-on-list-of-targets-as-terrorists/?page=1) June 24 that dozens of U.S. citizen may be targets for assassination by the Obama administration. “There are, in my mind, dozens of U.S. persons who are in different parts of the world, and they are very concerning to us," John O. Brennan, Deputy White House National Security Adviser for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, told the Washington Times June 24.

“If a person is a U.S. citizen, and he is on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq trying to attack our troops, he will face the full brunt of the U.S. military response," Brennan said, adding: "If an American person or citizen is in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place, and they are trying to carry out attacks against U.S. interests, they also will face the full brunt of a U.S. response. And it can take many forms."

Slate magazine's Glenn Greenwald explained (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/25/assassinations/index.html) what Brennan's statement meant:



“Nobody — or at least not me — disputes the right of the U.S. or any other country to kill someone on an actual battlefield during war without due process. That's just obvious, but that's not remotely what Brennan is talking about, and it's not remotely what this assassination program is about. Indeed, Brennan explicitly identified two indistinguishable groups of American citizens who "will face the full brunt of a U.S. response": (1) those "on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq"; and (2) those "in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place." In other words, the entire world is a "battlefield" — countries where there is a war and countries where there isn't — and the President's "battlefield" powers, which are unlimited, extend everywhere. That theory — the whole world is a battlefield, even the U.S. — was the core premise that spawned 8 years of Bush/Cheney radicalism, and it has been adopted in full by the Obama administration (indeed, it was that "whole-world-is-a-battlefield" theory which Elena Kagan explicitly endorsed during her confirmation hearing for Solicitor General).”


The Obama assassination list was first reported (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/26/AR2010012604239_2.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010012700394) by the Washington Post's Dan Priest back on January 27, though at the time it was believed only three American citizens were on the list. Brennan's statement changes that math.

Meanwhile, the Obama administration and its spokesmen are still denying that having the U.S. military kill American citizens without trial far from the Afghan and Iraqi war zones constitutes an assassination list. CIA Director Leon Panetta did precisely that on ABC's This Week program June 27 (http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=11025299):



ABC's Jake Tapper: An American cleric who is now supposedly in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki. He has said to be on an assassination list by President Obama. Is that true and does being an American afford him any protection that any other terrorist might not enjoy?

CIA Director Pannetta: Awlaki is a terrorist who has declared war on the United States. Everything he's doing now is to try to encourage others to attack this country, there's a whole stream of intelligence that goes back to Awlaki and his continuous urging of others to attack this country in some way. You can track Awlaki to the Detroit bomber. We can track him to other attacks in this country that have been urged by Awlaki or that have been influenced by Awlaki. Awlaki is a terrorist and yes, he's a U.S. citizen, but he is first and foremost a terrorist and we're going to treat him like a terrorist. We don't have an assassination list, but I can tell you this. We have a terrorist list and he's on it.


The essence of Pannetta's statement means that if the President labels you a terrorist — whether you are guilty or not (and many Guantanamo terror suspects deemed the "worst of the worst" (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31052241/) were later released in mistaken identity cases (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/12/03/AR2005120301476.html)) — you are fair game for being killed without trial. President Obama and his officials may dispute the term “assassination list,” but they have without a doubt completely adopted the Bush administration policy of the world being a battlefield. And because there are no civilian rights on a battlefield, the “global war on terror” is by definition a war on the rights of Americans that are supposed to have protected by the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights. Obama may have run on a platform of change, but he clearly hasn't changed course from the Bush administration attack on the U.S. Constitution.

Hat tip for this story: Slate's heroic civil libertarian Glenn Greenwald (http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/06/25/assassinations/index.html)


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/usnews/foreign-policy/3881-dozens-of-us-citizens-may-be-on-obama-assassination-list

HOLLYWOOD
06-28-2010, 08:52 AM
CIA Director Pannetta: Awlaki is a terrorist who has declared war on the United States. Everything he's doing now is to try to encourage others to attack this country, there's a whole stream of intelligence that goes back to Awlaki and his continuous urging of others to attack this country in some way. You can track Awlaki to the Detroit bomber. We can track him to other attacks in this country that have been urged by Awlaki or that have been influenced by Awlaki. Awlaki is a terrorist and yes, he's a U.S. citizen, but he is first and foremost a terrorist and we're going to treat him like a terrorist.
Well, Well, the usual suspects... Joe Lieberman, AGAIN. No US Citizenship... immediate crosshairs

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/lieberman-on-revoking-terrorists-citizenship-american-citizenship-is-a-privilege-not-a-right-video.php
Lieberman On Revoking Terrorists' Citizenship: 'American Citizenship Is A Privilege, Not A Right'

Elwar
06-28-2010, 08:53 AM
There are a lot more than a few dozen people on RPFs... :)

Noob
06-28-2010, 10:20 AM
why hasent he been impeach yet? really?

catdd
06-28-2010, 04:44 PM
He could be on the list of a few dozen people as well, so we'll call it even.

John Taylor
06-28-2010, 04:45 PM
He could be on the list of a few dozen people as well, so we'll call it even.

Mother of God. Those on PRF could be on double secret-bomb-dropping drone probation. :mad:

heavenlyboy34
06-28-2010, 04:51 PM
why hasent he been impeach yet? really?

Quit your whining, Citizen! You wanted a Constitution, and you're getting it, good and hard! :p

John Taylor
06-28-2010, 04:58 PM
Quit your whining, Citizen! You wanted a Constitution, and you're getting it, good and hard! :p

It's not the constitution, if you want to talk about what's happened to people without a written constitution, look over the pond to England!! There you go chief, what people get when they start with individual liberty and don't check the growth of government with a clearly deliniated written constitution. :p:p

tangent4ronpaul
06-28-2010, 05:01 PM
Well, we all know who Obama considers "Public Enemy #1"...

Beck had better have a really good bullet proof vest and a better than average team of bodyguards.

Liberman and Obama are the real terrorists.

-t

BlackTerrel
06-28-2010, 09:36 PM
CIA Director Pannetta: Awlaki is a terrorist who has declared war on the United States. Everything he's doing now is to try to encourage others to attack this country, there's a whole stream of intelligence that goes back to Awlaki and his continuous urging of others to attack this country in some way. You can track Awlaki to the Detroit bomber. We can track him to other attacks in this country that have been urged by Awlaki or that have been influenced by Awlaki. Awlaki is a terrorist and yes, he's a U.S. citizen, but he is first and foremost a terrorist and we're going to treat him like a terrorist.

Good. Shoot this bitch.

specsaregood
06-28-2010, 09:51 PM
Good. Shoot this bitch.

Yeah, no need for trials or anything anymore. Let's just judge people based on intelligence from the same agencies that claim bin laden is still alive.

Bruno
06-28-2010, 10:42 PM
Good. Shoot this bitch.

Care to explain that position?

BlackTerrel
06-28-2010, 11:02 PM
Care to explain that position?

If there are folks trying to kill our people then we need to kill them first. Whether or not they are citizens is irrelevant.


Yeah, no need for trials or anything anymore. Let's just judge people based on intelligence from the same agencies that claim bin laden is still alive.

It's not always feasible to take people alive. Sometimes we have to look out for own people first.

specsaregood
06-28-2010, 11:05 PM
It's not always feasible to take people alive. Sometimes we have to look out for own people first.

Hey, I'm with you 100%. In fact, just think of all the money we could save if we just got rid of the court system and jury trials and prisons. I say we give the cops the right to kill anyone they suspect of trying to kill others.

CCTelander
06-28-2010, 11:38 PM
Quit your whining, Citizen! You wanted a Constitution, and you're getting it, good and hard! :p

LMAO!

"Good and hard" indeed!

charrob
06-28-2010, 11:51 PM
Glenn Greenwald: If it's OK to target Americans for assassination, what's left?

YouTube - Glenn Greenwald: If it's OK to target Americans for assassination, what's left? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKA7V1WZ4xQ)

Bruno
06-28-2010, 11:53 PM
If there are folks trying to kill our people then we need to kill them first. Whether or not they are citizens is irrelevant.



It's not always feasible to take people alive. Sometimes we have to look out for own people first.

And whether or not they have been tried in a court of law is also irrelevant? You do realize the slippery slope of our government killing innocent people through corporal punishment that already exists. And now you want to advocate presidential-authorized execution hit lists without a trial by jury?

Anti Federalist
06-28-2010, 11:57 PM
What the fuck is wrong with that douchebag.

I am really starting to despise that man, on a gut level.


Well, Well, the usual suspects... Joe Lieberman, AGAIN. No US Citizenship... immediate crosshairs

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/05/lieberman-on-revoking-terrorists-citizenship-american-citizenship-is-a-privilege-not-a-right-video.php
Lieberman On Revoking Terrorists' Citizenship: 'American Citizenship Is A Privilege, Not A Right'

Anti Federalist
06-29-2010, 12:00 AM
And whether or not they have been tried in a court of law is also irrelevant? You do realize the slippery slope of our government killing innocent people through corporal punishment that already exists. And now you want to advocate presidential-authorized execution hit lists without a trial by jury?

BT's trolling us...has to be.

ETA...based on that VVV maybe not.

BlackTerrel
06-29-2010, 12:00 AM
And whether or not they have been tried in a court of law is also irrelevant? You do realize the slippery slope of our government killing innocent people through corporal punishment that already exists. And now you want to advocate presidential-authorized execution hit lists without a trial by jury?

In the middle of a war zone in Afghanistan I do not give a shit if the guy is a US citizen or not. It's called war and at a certain point you give up your rights.

Bruno
06-29-2010, 12:05 AM
In the middle of a war zone in Afghanistan I do not give a shit if the guy is a US citizen or not. It's called war and at a certain point you give up your rights.

Then you missed this part obviously

“Nobody — or at least not me — disputes the right of the U.S. or any other country to kill someone on an actual battlefield during war without due process. That's just obvious, but that's not remotely what Brennan is talking about, and it's not remotely what this assassination program is about. Indeed, Brennan explicitly identified two indistinguishable groups of American citizens who "will face the full brunt of a U.S. response": (1) those "on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq"; and (2) those "in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place." In other words, the entire world is a "battlefield" — countries where there is a war and countries where there isn't — and the President's "battlefield" powers, which are unlimited, extend everywhere. That theory — the whole world is a battlefield, even the U.S. — was the core premise that spawned 8 years of Bush/Cheney radicalism, and it has been adopted in full by the Obama administration (indeed, it was that "whole-world-is-a-battlefield" theory which Elena Kagan explicitly endorsed during her confirmation hearing for Solicitor General).”

BlackTerrel
06-29-2010, 12:46 AM
Then you missed this part obviously

“Nobody — or at least not me — disputes the right of the U.S. or any other country to kill someone on an actual battlefield during war without due process. That's just obvious, but that's not remotely what Brennan is talking about, and it's not remotely what this assassination program is about. Indeed, Brennan explicitly identified two indistinguishable groups of American citizens who "will face the full brunt of a U.S. response": (1) those "on the battlefield in Afghanistan or Iraq"; and (2) those "in a Yemen or in a Pakistan or in Somalia or another place." In other words, the entire world is a "battlefield" — countries where there is a war and countries where there isn't — and the President's "battlefield" powers, which are unlimited, extend everywhere. That theory — the whole world is a battlefield, even the U.S. — was the core premise that spawned 8 years of Bush/Cheney radicalism, and it has been adopted in full by the Obama administration (indeed, it was that "whole-world-is-a-battlefield" theory which Elena Kagan explicitly endorsed during her confirmation hearing for Solicitor General).”

The "other countries" referred to are lawless or close to it. If an enemy is hiding out there who is plotting to kill Americans we have a right to take him out.

If it is on US soil I would have an issue with it.

teacherone
06-29-2010, 01:10 AM
BT may I suggest to you a good read?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fXENAhYfL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

BlackTerrel
06-29-2010, 01:12 AM
BT may I suggest to you a good read?

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fXENAhYfL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

Very good read. I agree. Thanks for posting.

I don't agree with anyone on every single issue. Except Jesus.