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FrankRep
06-26-2010, 06:03 AM
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Fox News host Glenn Beck aired an extraordinary program June 24 explaining how author M. Stanton Evans exposed how the facts released from the files of the FBI and the World War II-era Office of Strategic Services over the past two decades have vindicated the controversial charges of communism in the U.S. State Department by Senator Joseph McCarthy. by Thomas R. Eddlem


Glenn Beck: History Vindicated Joe McCarthy (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3876-glenn-beck-history-vindicated-joe-mccarthy)


Thomas R. Eddlem | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Friday, 25 June 2010



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7oMhE72A6Q


Fox News host Glenn Beck aired an extraordinary program (http://bit.ly/ajoCI4) June 24 explaining how the facts released from the files of the FBI and the World War II-era Office of Strategic Services over the past two decades have vindicated the controversial charges of communism in the U.S. State Department by Senator Joseph McCarthy.

The Wisconsin Republican's name has been transformed into an epithet, “McCarthyism,” by much of the political Left that is intended to mean smearing political opponents with unfounded charges. While the Left and much of the Right accepted as gospel that McCarthy's charges were false, many conservatives (including the late William F. Buckley (http://www.amazon.com/McCarthy-His-Enemies-William-Buckley/dp/0895264722)) have defended McCarthy as essentially correct on the facts and the specific cases he mentioned publicly. But in an interview with author M. Stanton Evans, Beck gave a fair summary of Soviet penetration of U.S. government after the Second World War that has only become known since the mid-1990s with the release of the Venona Papers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venona_project), FBI files, and other primary source documents.

Beck asked (http://bit.ly/cJAHDr): “The question is, was Joseph McCarthy right? Was he right?” And the inescapable conclusion he came to after reading Evans' Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1400081068?tag=s00cb-20&camp=213381&creative=390973&linkCode=as4&creativeASIN=1400081068&adid=0B0NGXFD9TY2NJ0S6TMS&) was that McCarthy had told the truth. (The book was reviewed by The New American here (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/reviews/books/3872-a-reputation-rescued).) “I don't want to believe this,” Beck told Evans of his reaction when Evans' book was first published in 2007. “I put it down and I went 'I'm not ready to hear that. I can't handle that.'" But Beck later finished the book anyway and asked the audience, "Okay. Please, America, read this book.”

M. Stanton Evans told Beck (http://bit.ly/cJAHDr) of his research on McCarthy that “I found a lot of stuff missing, a lot of stuff had been censored, a lot of stuff that was in the records in one place but blacked out in another place. Mostly what I found was that the FBI files, which backed up what McCarthy was saying, had been withheld for 50 years. And we now have them, or many of them, and they show essentially that he was right in general. There was a massive penetration of the government, and that it was covered up, and that he threatened that cover-up. And that's why he was isolated, demonized, and destroyed. That's the technique.”

Beck pointed out that the “Red Scare” of the 1950s had more to do with ensuring employees of the U.S. government were loyal to their employer and not to a rival nation rather than a mere battle against a particular political or philosophical opinion. “If you were a Marxist then, you were a Soviet sympathizer. You were a traitor to our country," Beck noted of the Stalinist era. "You've got to put that into perspective.” Nevertheless, leftists are apoplectic (http://mediamatters.org/research/201006240076) about the content of Beck's program, while conservative organizations like The John Birch Society have trumpeted (http://www.jbs.org/component/content/article/1009-commentary/6372-glenn-beck-recapitulates-the-john-birch-society) this first salvo in the mainstream media to resurrect the legacy of America's most famous anti-communist Senator.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/culture/37-history/3876-glenn-beck-history-vindicated-joe-mccarthy

FrankRep
06-26-2010, 08:27 AM
Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies
M. Stanton Evans

Buy it:
http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas/dp/1400081068/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277562228&sr=1-1


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osan
06-26-2010, 03:07 PM
Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies
M. Stanton Evans


A very well researched and written volume. If you have not read it, I strongly recommend you do. What went on in this nation during "happy days" is mind bending. The traitors and spies were numerous and McCarthy had them dead to rights - every last one.

FrankRep
06-26-2010, 05:57 PM
Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies (http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas/dp/1400081068/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277562228&sr=1-1), by author M. Stanton Evans, reveals the truth about Senator Joe McCarthy.


A Reputation Rescued (http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/reviews/books/3872-a-reputation-rescued)


John F. McManus | The New American (http://www.thenewamerican.com/)
Monday, 17 March 2008


I have a vivid personal memory of my father banging his fist on the kitchen table, angered because of the way numerous politicians and media pundits were trashing Senator Joseph McCarthy. “I know he’s right and these characters are covering up for their communist friends,” said my dad.

That happened more than 50 years ago — before I went off to college and found myself amongst a swarm of others telling me that McCarthy was a scoundrel, that he unfairly and viciously attacked innocent people, and that America had nothing to worry about because there really weren’t any communists or communist sympathizers in government.

In the early 1950s, I’d never heard of Elizabeth Bentley, Whittaker Chambers, Samuel Klaus, and several others who had already sounded grave and credible warnings about the communist penetration. Elizabeth Bentley had served the Communist Party as a courier carrying messages and data from one spy cell to another in Washington and New York. She gave her information to the FBI in 1945, but nothing was ever done about her revelations until Joe McCarthy emerged. Whittaker Chambers, the former communist who told State Department officials in 1939 that the Roosevelt administration was loaded with communists, and who was the key figure in the exposure of top State Department official Alger Hiss as a communist agent, stated in one of his books that he felt he had left the winning side (the communists) and joined the losing side (those loyal to America). In 1946, State Department official Samuel Klaus delivered his lengthy memo to superiors detailing communist infiltration at the State Department but nothing was done. Bentley, Chambers, Klaus, and others had sacrificed much — even placed themselves in jeopardy — for what seemed to be nothing. McCarthy eventually made their efforts meaningful.

Nor did I have in the 1950s the benefit of digesting the amazing Venona Intercepts, the back-and-forth messages between Moscow and their U.S. agents during and after the 1940s. The contents of these messages, known to government officials as they were being transmitted and transcribed for posterity, confirmed the identities of those communist agents inside our country and inside our government. Again, nothing was done to remove the communists, however. Though these Venona documents provided corroboration for what McCarthy would later charge, they weren’t made available to the American public until 1995.

Another treasure trove of information vindicating McCarthy became available during the apparent demise of Soviet communism in the early 1990s. Not only were many Kremlin files opened for inspection by researchers from our country, so too were the records in various former Soviet satellite capitals. Author Stan Evans took the time to avail himself of all of this information, dig more deeply into the files of the FBI and other government agencies, and put all this material together in a single volume to show that Joe McCarthy should be praised, not condemned.

Over the years, scores of books have been written about the Wisconsin senator’s campaign to rid the U.S. government of internal enemies. Almost all of these volumes condemned him as a disreputable rogue. A few buttressed my father’s opinion: McCarthy was correct and he attempted to do what many other senators and congressmen should have been doing to protect this nation. But those that could have been called pro-McCarthy were scorned.

All the books about McCarthy, both pro and con, must now stand aside. In Blacklisted by History, Stanton Evans has produced a masterful, scholarly, and extremely thorough 664-page compilation of evidence completely exonerating the man whose name has been made a detestable symbol of “unfair accusations” and “rogue investigative techniques.”

Evans supplies the details any critic would need to reverse the popularly held view of the Wisconsin senator. According to Evans, McCarthy began his crusade against the communist penetration of the U.S. government with a February 1950 speech at a Republican gathering in Wheeling, West Virginia. He had been provided with a copy of the Klaus memo, found it credible, and told his audience about its contents. Liberals and pro-communists, using both infuriating and laughable “evidence,” have sought to debunk what McCarthy said on that single occasion. Evans tells the whole story.

The important Klaus memo disappeared from government records, but Evans located a copy and published it in its entirety as an appendix. In the book’s prologue, the widely read author, editor, columnist, and commentator who trained hundreds of young conservatives at the National Journalism Center in Washington over the past 30 years gave a backdrop on his sleuthing and told of unearthing “once secret records of the FBI” that helped to make the case for defending McCarthy. The FBI knew the truth at the time, but as a gatherer of information wasn’t free to publicize what it knew, and many of its personnel waited in vain for government officials to call for airing its information in public sessions.

In his book, Evans details the information the FBI was privy to: “The Bureau knew as early as December 1942 that J. Robert Oppenheimer, the nuclear physicist then becoming a central figure in the [U.S. government’s top-secret] atomic energy project, was identified by Communist leaders as a secret party member who had to be inactive because of the wartime work that he was doing. Likewise in 1945, the FBI obtained credible information that high-ranking government figures Alger Hiss, Lauchlin Currie, and Harry Dexter White were Soviet agents. Also in 1945, the Bureau knew the espionage case of John Stewart Service and the pro-Red magazine Amerasia had been fixed, lied about, and covered up by a cabal of top officials.”

For readers who know little or nothing about these individuals, consider that Oppenheimer has always been reasonably thought to have been the key individual who supplied the Soviet Union with nuclear weapons technology. Alger Hiss wormed his way into government so ably that he was at President Roosevelt’s side as a key adviser at the 1944 wartime Yalta Conference attended by the “Big Three” — Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin. At this summit, it was agreed to betray post-war Eastern Europe and Manchuria into the hands of the communists. Hiss then secured the appointment as secretary-general of the UN founding conference in 1945 where he was able to welcome a score of fellow communists into the U.S. delegation at that gathering. Harry Dexter White, a close associate of Hiss, arranged to deliver engraved plates to print U.S. currency to the Soviet Union, became Secretary of the Treasury, and participated in the formation of the UN’s International Monetary Fund which he later led. And Lauchlin Currie held down an office in the White House where he served as a top adviser to President Roosevelt. Each of these extremely key individuals was loyal to the Soviet Union, not to the United States.

Evans recounts many of the details surrounding the pro-communist State Department official John Stewart Service, one of many government officials targeted by McCarthy. Service was a leader of the infamous Institute of Pacific Relations that played an important role in the sellout of China to Mao Tse-tung and his communist forces during the late 1940s. When McCarthy produced reliable information about Service’s communist background, Truman administration officials weren’t interested in removing Service; they, instead, desperately sought to impede the McCarthy effort. Evans explained: “John Service had been kept on the State Department payroll for five full years after passing papers to Philip Jaffe, confidant of Communist bosses and Soviet agents; but anyone caught passing data to Joe McCarthy concerning Service himself would be out on his ear by sundown.”

Blacklisted by History is surely not a partisan political treatise. Evans is especially hard on Truman’s Secretary of State, Dean Acheson, even on the president himself and with good reason. But when Dwight Eisenhower took office in 1953 and McCarthy thought he might receive the kind of cooperation one would expect from a U.S. president, business as usual continued. Democrat or Republican in high office, it didn’t matter. McCarthy wanted to rid the government of disloyal employees. But, over and over again, McCarthy himself, not the obvious communists and pro-communists, was the target of our nation’s top officials.

As Evans shows, McCarthy became the subject of investigations by other Senate committees and their pro-communist leaders. His extremely valuable research assistant, J.B. Matthews, was driven out of staff service by a combined attack led by the left-wing media and pro-communist forces in government. And when the senator aimed his efforts at rooting out pro-communist influence at the Army’s sensitive Signal Corps facility at Fort Monmouth, New Jersey, the anti-McCarthy forces converted a proper investigation into a carnival designed to make McCarthy look like a clown or a vicious cutthroat willing to smear innocent people with false charges. If you want the proof, read Evans’ book!

After listing the various accomplishments attributable to McCarthy’s efforts — the many pro-communists who fled government service, the tighter security procedures, and the admission by officials that there had been foul-ups followed by corrective measures — Evans recounts the true circumstances behind, and actual language of, the Senate vote to condemn the senator. (Hint: it was not a repudiation of his allegations.) Then, in obvious sadness, he relates that McCarthy “became a non-person to be ignored and shunned, a ghost figure with no relation to the serious business of the Senate.” But, according to Evans, Joe McCarthy “was a good man and true — better and truer by far than the tag teams of cover-up artists and backstage plotters who connived unceasingly to destroy him.”

No serious scholar of the McCarthy era will be able to avoid this compelling and factual account of the valiant senator from Wisconsin.


SOURCE:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/index.php/reviews/books/3872-a-reputation-rescued

heavenlyboy34
06-26-2010, 06:12 PM
Too bad they couldn't find someone more credible than Beck to run this story. :(

Old Ducker
06-26-2010, 06:17 PM
Beck pointed out that the “Red Scare” of the 1950s had more to do with ensuring employees of the U.S. government were loyal to their employer and not to a rival nation rather than a mere battle against a particular political or philosophical opinion. “If you were are a Marxist then Zionist, you were are a Soviet Israeli sympathizer. You wereare a traitor to our country,"

updated for ya :p

Baptist
06-26-2010, 06:18 PM
I first stumbled across the "McCarthy was right" argument when I read Coulter's Treason back in 2005. I could not believe it because I had always been taught that McCarthy was this evil, scary man who went on witch hunts and caused innocent people to commit suicide. So I ordered every McCarthy book I could find (have a dozen or so) and even went to Ebay to buy news magazines from the 50s to see how they portrayed him.

You may not like all his tactics or everything he did... But McCarthy was right and the Venona Project vindicated him.

FrankRep
06-26-2010, 06:25 PM
Too bad they couldn't find someone more credible than Beck to run this story. :(

Glenn Beck just made the book a number #1 best seller at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/ref=pd_ts_h?pf_rd_p=221130001&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_t=2101&pf_rd_i=home&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1T3V01E2AVS2SP4JCTN5)

Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies (http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas/dp/1400081068/ref=pd_ts_b_1?ie=UTF8&s=books)

FrankRep
06-26-2010, 07:27 PM
Here's the Meat of Glenn Beck exposing Communism. Awesome Stuff.

YouTube - Glenn Beck -06-24-10-B.flv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU2C4vYwpjI&feature=related)

sofia
06-26-2010, 07:59 PM
Beck needs to add a new tangent to his communist timeline......

In the 70's, a bunch of communist intellectuals jumped from the Democrat Party to the GOP..

They became known as "neo-cons" and have seized the GOP. They teamed up with Mossad to blow up the Twin Towers and got us into these wars.


But Beck wont say a peep about these Trotskyites!

FrankRep
06-26-2010, 08:05 PM
Beck needs to add a new tangent to his communist timeline......

In the 70's, a bunch of communist intellectuals jumped from the Democrat Party to the GOP..

They became known as "neo-cons" and have seized the GOP. They teamed up with Mossad to blow up the Twin Towers and got us into these wars.


But Beck wont say a peep about these Trotskyites!

Glenn Beck at least mentioned the Communist Goals of 1963, Goal #15:

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the US. (http://www.communistgoals.com/goals/goals.htm)

sofia
06-26-2010, 08:07 PM
Glenn Beck at least mentioned the Communist Goals of 1963, Goal #15:

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the US. (http://www.communistgoals.com/goals/goals.htm)

it was an excellent piece....but Beck will still stab us in the back and endorse Sarah Palin in 2012......

FrankRep
06-26-2010, 08:11 PM
it was an excellent piece....but Beck will still stab us in the back and endorse Sarah Palin in 2012......

Glenn Beck did attack the Neocon Progressives at CPAC 2010 though. Remember?



SOURCE (http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978060978)



(Glenn Beck writes “Progressivism” on the chalkboard)

(applause)

This is the disease. This is the disease in America. It’s not just spending, it’s not just taxes, it’s not just corruption. It is progressivism. And it is in both parties. It is in the Republicans and the Democrats. I mean it’s – it really is. I mean, I’m so sick of hearing people say, oh, well the Republicans are going to solve it all. Really? It’s just progressive-lite that – lite.

YouTube - Glenn Beck- Keynote Speech At CPAC (Part 1/6) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-uKR9H9y0Y)

sofia
06-26-2010, 08:22 PM
the book in my signature line blows away anything Beck has ever talked about...trust me

susano
06-26-2010, 08:31 PM
I haven't read this thread, though I will. I just caught a little of Beck talking about this. It's absolutely mind blowing how this guy can grasp the communist/internationalist agenda, but be completely blind to internationalist zionists, and their breeding ground, BRITAIN.

Anyway, here's another link you might all like:

Joe McCarthy- What REALLY Happened?

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY: THE TRUTH ABOUT JOE McCARTHY, THE RED SCARE

http://joemcarthytruth.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-03_cy-2005_m-03_d-29_y-2005_o-0.html

susano
06-26-2010, 08:39 PM
Beck needs to add a new tangent to his communist timeline......

In the 70's, a bunch of communist intellectuals jumped from the Democrat Party to the GOP..

They became known as "neo-cons" and have seized the GOP. They teamed up with Mossad to blow up the Twin Towers and got us into these wars.


But Beck wont say a peep about these Trotskyites!

The Fraud of Neoconservative "Anti-Communism"
by Max Shpak
Neoconservatives and their apologists would have the public believe that the neocons were former Leftists who saw the light and came to reject liberal or Marxist ideology as a matter of conviction and principle. Regrettably, this official line has come to be conventional wisdom, no doubt reflecting neocon efforts to hide the fact that their transformation was neither sincerely motivated nor sincerely enacted. To understand the real agenda that drove and continues to drive much of neoconservatism, one needs to look back to the origins of the movement and the cultural backgrounds of those who lead it.

It is a well-established fact that many of the early luminaries of neoconservatism (most famously Irving Kristol in the 1940's, a more recent famous example being David Horowitz) came from Marxist backgrounds, and that neoconservatism (like Marxism itself) began and continues to be a largely a phenomenon of Jewish intellectualism. In the early part of the 20th century, Marxism attracted a disproportionate pool of Jewish recruits for a number of obvious reasons. There are a number of complex psychological and social reasons for the attraction, all of which largely stem from the fact that Marxist internationalism is an ideology which by its very nature finds disciples among a rootless, anti-religious urban intelligentsia.

http://www.originaldissent.com/shpak051502.html



The End of the Legends

By Wolfgang Strauss

Alexander Solschenitsyn, "200 Jahre zusammen." Die russisch-jüdische Geschichte 1795-1916 (200 Years Together. The Russian-Jewish History 1795-1916), Herbig, Munich 2002, 560 pp., €34.90; "Zweihundert Jahre zusammen," Die Juden in der Sowjetunion (200 Years Together. The Jews in the Soviet Union), ibidem, 2003, 608 pp., €39.90.

It may be said without hesitation that Alexander Solzhenitsyn’s 200 Years Together. The Jews in the Soviet Union is one of the most important books on the Russian Revolution and the early Bolshevik period ever to appear. After publication of this work with its many revelations about the role of the Jews during the Leninist period, the history of the Bolshevik October putsch will have to be rewritten, if not completely, then with substantial additions.

The book title might have been even more appropriately called "The End of the Legends." For example, the legend that there ever existed an independent "Russian" Social Democracy Party is questioned. Founded in Minsk in 1898, the Russian Social Democratic Workers Party (RSDWP) derived, with respect to personnel and organization, from the Allgemeine jüdische Arbeiterbund in Lithuania, Poland, and Russia. It might be said that the Jewish Arbeiterbund midwife service officiated at the birth of the Russian Social Democracy Party. Legends without number are examined.

http://www.vho.org/tr/2004/3/Strauss342-351.html

heavenlyboy34
06-26-2010, 09:00 PM
someone didn't get the "Beck is a traitor" message yet :( (facepalm)

heavenlyboy34
06-26-2010, 09:02 PM
Glenn Beck just made the book a number #1 best seller at Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books/ref=pd_ts_h?pf_rd_p=221130001&pf_rd_s=center-3&pf_rd_t=2101&pf_rd_i=home&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=1T3V01E2AVS2SP4JCTN5)

Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies (http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas/dp/1400081068/ref=pd_ts_b_1?ie=UTF8&s=books)

So, he MUST be credible because he wrote a book! :rolleyes:

JeNNiF00F00
06-26-2010, 09:04 PM
..

FrankRep
06-26-2010, 09:12 PM
someone didn't get the "Beck is a traitor" message yet :( (facepalm)

If Glenn Beck asks if you're a 9/11 Truther, Say "No!" Problem solved.


So, he MUST be credible because he wrote a book! :rolleyes:

M. Stanton Evans wrote the "Blacklisted by History" book. :rolleyes:

Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America's Enemies
http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas/dp/1400081068/ref=pd_ts_b_1?ie=UTF8&s=books

John Taylor
06-27-2010, 02:38 AM
Beck needs to add a new tangent to his communist timeline......

In the 70's, a bunch of communist intellectuals jumped from the Democrat Party to the GOP..

They became known as "neo-cons" and have seized the GOP. They teamed up with Mossad to blow up the Twin Towers and got us into these wars.


But Beck wont say a peep about these Trotskyites!

WTF? :rolleyes: Let me guess, they sprayed thermite on termites and let the loose into the Twin Towers?

John Taylor
06-27-2010, 02:39 AM
I haven't read this thread, though I will. I just caught a little of Beck talking about this. It's absolutely mind blowing how this guy can grasp the communist/internationalist agenda, but be completely blind to internationalist zionists, and their breeding ground, BRITAIN.

Anyway, here's another link you might all like:

Joe McCarthy- What REALLY Happened?

FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY: THE TRUTH ABOUT JOE McCARTHY, THE RED SCARE

http://joemcarthytruth.blogdrive.com/archive/cm-03_cy-2005_m-03_d-29_y-2005_o-0.html

It's the QUEEN and the inner rules of the City of London!!!! :rolleyes:

John Taylor
06-27-2010, 02:40 AM
So, he MUST be credible because he wrote a book! :rolleyes:

It's not his book.

EndDaFed
06-27-2010, 05:14 AM
What is so great about Joe McCarthy? Do we really want to regress back to a climate of fear? It's bad enough that we have to put up with this terrorism hysteria. It has died down a bit, but is still too strong. Fear is to civil liberties as acid is to flesh. You people did happen to notice all the bullshit that was passed after 911?

RonPaulFanInGA
06-27-2010, 05:35 AM
They teamed up with Mossad to blow up the Twin Towers and got us into these wars.

Another wonderful gem from our resident StormFronter. :rolleyes:

Lovecraftian4Paul
06-27-2010, 08:54 AM
Witch hunt like method not withstanding, McCarthy turned out to be right about a lot of things. There were tons of communists and Red sympathizers in the government, particularly FDR's administration. Also, it was only around the time of McCarthy's crusade that the full horror of the Soviet Union became known. Stalin's regime was as secretive as North Korea is today. One could only guess at what was really going on there, and the world only found out after Stalin died and Khrushchev denounced him.

In the end, I don't think McCarthy's real crime that caused his downfall had much to do with hunting communists. I suspect he found out about the great capitalists and Western governments responsible for putting the Bolsheviks into power and building them up in the 1920s and 1930s.

osan
06-27-2010, 11:37 AM
I first stumbled across the "McCarthy was right" argument when I read Coulter's Treason back in 2005. I could not believe it because I had always been taught that McCarthy was this evil, scary man who went on witch hunts and caused innocent people to commit suicide. So I ordered every McCarthy book I could find (have a dozen or so) and even went to Ebay to buy news magazines from the 50s to see how they portrayed him.

What did he do that was disagreeable? Two HUNDRED spies at State alone? Bloody hell, what do you do with that? You do not use kid gloves. You investigate, prosecute, and then air them out. You televise it to every household on the planet: this is what you get when you mess with Americans.


You may not like all his tactics or everything he did... But McCarthy was right and the Venona Project vindicated him.

Venona proves that every name on his famous list were in fact Kremlin assets. Every last stinking one of them. Not one was held accountable. They all should have been executed as spies. Gruesomely.

osan
06-27-2010, 11:41 AM
Glenn Beck at least mentioned the Communist Goals of 1963, Goal #15:

15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the US. (http://www.communistgoals.com/goals/goals.htm)

I have to laugh at life's small ironies. When I was a hcild and young adult I'd been indoctrinated into believing that the JBS were a bunch of right wing wack-0s - paranoid, bellicose, belligerent, waving the flag Christian imbeciles looking to keep the po' po' "minorities" down. Testament to how effective technologically-enabled propaganda can be, because I was not one to accept such opinion blindly, generally speaking... yet this one I took hook line and sinker, even if it never really registered strongly with me. They were "those wierdos".

God I hate politics.

Brian4Liberty
06-27-2010, 12:12 PM
I have to laugh at life's small ironies. When I was a hcild and young adult I'd been indoctrinated into believing that the JBS were a bunch of right wing wack-0s - paranoid, bellicose, belligerent, waving the flag Christian imbeciles looking to keep the po' po' "minorities" down. Testament to how effective technologically-enabled propaganda can be, because I was not one to accept such opinion blindly, generally speaking... yet this one I took hook line and sinker, even if it never really registered strongly with me. They were "those wierdos".

God I hate politics.

It's called brainwashing...

susano
06-27-2010, 12:22 PM
Oh, boy, the ZioShills sure came out for this one.

lol

TNforPaul45
06-27-2010, 12:29 PM
Down a dark path this line of reasoning will take us. Focus on general grevious, we must.

susano
06-27-2010, 12:37 PM
Down a dark path this line of reasoning will take us. Focus on general grevious, we must.

Why do you think that? Because it's Beck?

osan
06-29-2010, 12:01 PM
So, he MUST be credible because he wrote a book! :rolleyes:

First off, Beck didn't write it, Evans did. More to the point: did you read it? If not, you are talking from an ignorant standpoint, thereby torpedoing yourself in the credibility department. I got my hands on a printer's proof copy before the volume was published and read it cover to cover. I was amazed at the information there. Just for caution I followed up on some of the cites and it appears that Evans was very faithful to the content and context of those cites, which tells us that his work was impeccable. If you have not read the book, I suggest you do so if truth interests you as IMO it should. Ask yourself this: why, after nearly SIXTY years following his death is Joe McCarthy still treated with such uncommon venom? Why has he become one of the top American icons of pure evil, when all he attempted to do was get traitors exposed and treated? If, for argument's sake, we assume here for a moment that he was indeed correct on every count, then why was he treated as he was? Did these people have nothing better to do with their time in those days and in the decades since? Were they that stupid to disbelieve him? Unlikely, IMO. Rather, the culprits were on the brink of being found out and had to mount an extraordinary offense in order to defend themselves. Russia stood to lose great assets and ground in its cause and many spies stood to lose their heads, quite literally. Destroying the accuser BEFORE investigations could be successfully mounted was the only solution for them. McCarthy remains at the top of that list because his tactics were effective and it had to be ensured that nobody would ever attempt to use the same against them ever again. What better way than to paint McCarthy as the devil and anyone who follows his suit as a another "McCarthy"? That label is about as welcome as "child molester".

Best defense is often a good offense - create the great taboo so that nobody will dare go where you want them not - and of those who do, you make gruesome examples.

osan
06-29-2010, 12:07 PM
Oh, boy, the ZioShills sure came out for this one.

lol


Would you please explain this apparently meaningless comment?

osan
06-29-2010, 12:40 PM
What is so great about Joe McCarthy?

Has anyone here said he was "so great"? OTOH, what was so ungreat about him, as you seem to imply with your question?


Do we really want to regress back to a climate of fear?

You seem like a liberal shill, by the tone of this statement. Need I point out that if you have enemies seeking to destroy you that fear is indeed a most reasonable response? Your words imply that fear has no positive role in life, which is pure nonsense. Folks such as the type of which you remind me appear to be congenitally incapable of properly understanding and distinguishing between healthy fear and the morbid varieties. Being fearful of a street mugger about to cut your throat is not an unreasonable response, whereas fear of cosmic rays resulting in the wearing of foil hats may be. I do not expect you to understand this, judging by what you wrote, but please feel free to let us know if you in fact "get" it.


It's bad enough that we have to put up with this terrorism hysteria.

Hysteria? It is not hysteria unless you believe 9/11 didn't happen. It is not a question of terrorism, but of sources. That issue is still not quite settled.


It has died down a bit, but is still too strong. Fear is to civil liberties as acid is to flesh.

If you qualify the noun with "morbid", then you will have made a correct statement. As it stands, it is quite inaccurate. Fear in itself is not the issue. The salient point is how one responds to that which is feared.

osan
06-29-2010, 12:43 PM
Why do you think that? Because it's Beck?
No, because Beck is irrelevant. Look behind Beck and Obama and Bush and Clinton, and so on down the line. What stands behind them? What powers them? Then look at what stands behind those, and so on. Truth has a funny way of becoming accessible if one looks for it adeptly.

Fredom101
06-29-2010, 01:10 PM
We've known all this since the mid-90's. Nothing new, Beck just wants to do something controversial within the Fox News set framework.

Deborah K
06-29-2010, 01:12 PM
No, because Beck is irrelevant. Look behind Beck and Obama and Bush and Clinton, and so on down the line. What stands behind them? What powers them? Then look at what stands behind those, and so on. Truth has a funny way of becoming accessible if one looks for it adeptly.

Every book he ever mentions on his show hits the bestseller list. That hardly makes him irrelevant. Every liberty candidate he has smeared, loses. That hardly makes him irrelevant. He is a force to be "Beckoned" with whether we like it or not. hehe

I use his audience base as a jumping off point. It gets me in the door to talk about the Fed, preparing for the collapse, liberty candidates, networking in your community, etc. People who watch him are more inclined to listen to the ideas of those in the freedom movement.

Stop Making Cents
06-29-2010, 01:13 PM
I never questioned the indoctrination I was 'taught' in school about McCarthy until i was listening to Michael Savage talk about him a few years ago. McCarthy was right, and yes folks! Communists have taken control of our nation. Our media, our schools, our politics - hell! We have a Marxist in the White House as we speak!

McCarthy is a forgotten hero who deserves a monument in D.C. But of course that will never be.

Shredmonster
06-29-2010, 02:41 PM
No, because Beck is irrelevant. Look behind Beck and Obama and Bush and Clinton, and so on down the line. What stands behind them? What powers them? Then look at what stands behind those, and so on. Truth has a funny way of becoming accessible if one looks for it adeptly.

What are you talking about regarding Beck ? Specifically ? What are your sources ?

Sorry but I think your comment is full of it.

He is a commentator on history as well as current events. Seems the things he
brings to light are well documented with much of it in people's own words not his.

Irrelevant huh ? Yeah OK. Seen his ratings over the years ?? The sales of his books ?? Etc... The guy is on fire.

silentshout
06-29-2010, 02:42 PM
Sorry, i don't think fondly of someone who put this country through an inquisition. People have the right to believe any philosophy they wish...even communism. The witch hunt that was conducted sounded scary and that's not what i want to return to.

My grandfather was a decorated WWII hero as he had escaped from a Nazi prison. When he arrived home, he was given a hero's welcome. A f ew years later, during these times, he was part of this inquisition as his half-sister was a member of the communist party. The govt even wanted to strip some of his medals from him and he and his family, including my mother were put on a watch list.

AuH20
06-29-2010, 02:45 PM
Beck is 100% right. Even the late JFK, believed McCarthy to be a patriot.

Andrew-Austin
06-29-2010, 02:59 PM
I haven't read any material about McCarthy and the forces he was battling, but just seeing how things have gone its very obvious the US should have been worried about battling communist/socialist influences within it borders rather than trying to trump the Soviets and the spread of communism abroad. Communism was/is destined to fail, the hysteria surrounding the cold war was unwarranted, all America needed to do was to rediscover and clarify (listening to Mises and Rothbard would have helped) its historical inclination towards liberty (something that does not cost a penny) to prevent itself from becoming more and more like the very enemy it was fighting. However it seems to me all history needed, was for the state to merely exist and for murphy's law to play out. I am not one to hypothesize how statism could have worked out better for America, it took its downward path for a reason.

osan
06-29-2010, 03:01 PM
Every book he ever mentions on his show hits the bestseller list. That hardly makes him irrelevant. Every liberty candidate he has smeared, loses. That hardly makes him irrelevant. He is a force to be "Beckoned" with whether we like it or not. hehe

I use his audience base as a jumping off point. It gets me in the door to talk about the Fed, preparing for the collapse, liberty candidates, networking in your community, etc. People who watch him are more inclined to listen to the ideas of those in the freedom movement.

Forgive my imprecision - I was being lazy. I meant that he is irrelevant in terms of Glen Beck the man, not the media tool. Beck is not likely putting forward an agenda that is entirely his own. I don't think he would last very long if he were, particularly if that agenda conflicted with the greater scheme of certain things. In this he is irrelevant. What is relevant are the roots of his media existence. How did he get there? Who put him there and why? Mere money? In some measure, I suppose, but those at the top of the heap are not likely to be lured by token fortunes. There is a far greater game afoot here and the people who count know this, understand it, and are not swayed away from their goals, for they already have plenty in terms of comfort and convenience. Their hearts' desires lie well beyond the reach of money in any amount.

Did I make myself more clearer?

sofia
06-29-2010, 03:03 PM
Sorry, i don't think fondly of someone who put this country through an inquisition. People have the right to believe any philosophy they wish...even communism. The witch hunt that was conducted sounded scary and that's not what i want to return to.

My grandfather was a decorated WWII hero as he had escaped from a Nazi prison. When he arrived home, he was given a hero's welcome. A f ew years later, during these times, he was part of this inquisition as his half-sister was a member of the communist party. The govt even wanted to strip some of his medals from him and he and his family, including my mother were put on a watch list.

wrong....

what's "scary" is allowing communist subversives to overthrow a nation and then proceed to kill and oppress millions of innocents...

there is no "right" to commit treason and subversion against a free people..

fyi....rooting out criminal conspirators is not a "witch hunt"......it's the proper role of government to protect us from mad dog killers such as communists...

I'm willing to wagere that you never actually read any of the McCarthy hearing transcripts...nor reviewed a summary of the Venona transcripts and Soviet arcval evidence....Am I correct?

osan
06-29-2010, 03:11 PM
What are you talking about regarding Beck ? Specifically ? What are your sources ?

Sorry but I think your comment is full of it.

He is a commentator on history as well as current events. Seems the things he
brings to light are well documented with much of it in people's own words not his.

Irrelevant huh ? Yeah OK. Seen his ratings over the years ?? The sales of his books ?? Etc... The guy is on fire.

Please, spare the histrionics. He ignores essential aspects of the liberty he protests to love with such vigor and vehemence. Were he fully credible, he would be chasing after the real issues and culprits. The ones upon which he focuses are important, but pale in significance with others. Why is he not on the Fed like stink on rice? I've been watching him on and off for about 3 years and I have never once heard him speak about the Federal Reserve Bank in terms of our need to dissolve it. He may have, but even when I was watching daily I never saw anything about it, so that tells me that he is perhaps missing some of the more important boats.

I have nothing against Beck - in fact I agree with most of his points, but he misses so many crucial opportunities to strike at and address the most fundamental issues that I cannot take him seriously as a credible would-be clarion for freedom. He falls short of the mark, which doesn't surprise me much. I have heard Hannity and Valentine etc. and none of them are making the really daring calls either, as far as I can tell. There is a disturbing consistency between these so-called "right wing conservative" talking heads that leads me to question what it is they are really about.

osan
06-29-2010, 03:18 PM
I never questioned the indoctrination I was 'taught' in school about McCarthy until i was listening to Michael Savage talk about him a few years ago. McCarthy was right, and yes folks! Communists have taken control of our nation. Our media, our schools, our politics - hell! We have a Marxist in the White House as we speak!

McCarthy is a forgotten hero who deserves a monument in D.C. But of course that will never be.

Unless we erect on in the way that was done with the Bull on Wall Street. It just appeared one morning. The assholes in city hall were going to remove it until public outcry stopped them in their crooked little imbecile tracks. It's a great sculpture.

osan
06-29-2010, 03:36 PM
Sorry, i don't think fondly of someone who put this country through an inquisition. People have the right to believe any philosophy they wish...even communism. The witch hunt that was conducted sounded scary and that's not what i want to return to.

Careful, your ignorance is showing. He put nobody through an "inquisition". He had righteous evidence of a huge network of spies in places such as the State Department and acted most responsibly and admirably on that evidence. What would you propose he do, hand them the keys to the silos with a kiss and dewey eyes? You should think a bit before sounding off. Consider the likes of Owen Lattimore - a hard boiled communist who worked tirelessly and most successfully at undermining the cause of Liberty in China. It can be said that he is more responsible for the China we have today than any other human being on the planet. Chiang Kai Shek was kicking the lviing shit out of Mao after WWII. Chiang was an ardent friend of the USA and utterly devoted to freedom and capitalism. Owen Lattimore and his boys changed the State Department policy such that our support was yanked from him literally overnight and given to that commie pig Mao, resulting in his victory over Chiang where he drove the latter to Taiwan. Lattimore is directly responsible for the murder of tens of millions of Chinese citizens that occured in the wake of Mao's victory and the "cultural revolution" that came in the 60s. Owen Lattimore puts Hitler to shame in terms of the amounts of blood on his hands. Lattimore was a confirmed KGB asset. He skated through life, laughing at the stoopid Americans and died in his bed when he should have been publicly skinned alive for the world to see.

McCarthy had reliable dirt on all those people and he called upon his colleagues to investigate and apply the proper treatments to those found gulity of spying and treason. He was shouted down, most vociferously from that rat-bag scum Harry S. Truman, which leads one to wonder if Truman was just that much a political weasel or was he perhaps a traitor as well? I suppose we will never know.


My grandfather was a decorated WWII hero as he had escaped from a Nazi prison. When he arrived home, he was given a hero's welcome. A f ew years later, during these times, he was part of this inquisition as his half-sister was a member of the communist party. The govt even wanted to strip some of his medals from him and he and his family, including my mother were put on a watch list.

This smells like bullshit, to be honest. What years are we speaking of? There were over 200 spies floating about in the State Department alone and none of them were ever taken to account. They were merely shifted from one department or agency to another when questions of security arose. The shit that was going on in those days defies credulity. For example, when going through security screening in those days, employees were asked if they were members of the communit party. When they said "no", that was it. Nothing more was done to confirm status. HELLO.

paulitics
06-29-2010, 05:41 PM
Beck was a flaming and shameless neocon on his radio show today. While ironing my clothes this morning, I had the am radio on and Beck was on. He went on about how Obama may be a stealth muslim, who is against Israel, and how Iran will blow up the world if we don't do something about it (sound like 2003?). All of this was insinuated because some whacky liberal professor thinks Obama has Muslim roots, therefore sympathises with Muslims at the expense of America and her "ally" Israel who can't do wrong.

This is no different than Chris Mathews showing clips of some racist tea partier who listens to Glenn Beck, and applying the same guilt by association lame trick on him. The hypocrisy was stunning.

He kept going back in forth between how Obama is bankrupting the economy (truth) and that on foreign policy he wants America to fail (don't know) by being weak on Iran (complete lies).

Beck was cheerleading (Wilsonian intervention, and Bush doctrine of preventive war) and calling it conservatism, and at the same time calling being soft on Iran socialist, and anti American(ironic considering Obama signed off on sanctions, covert activities to destabalize, legislation for regime change, etc). Obama is simply continuing Bush's policies, and gearing up for more aggresive action, which would seem to please Beck. But for Beck, that is not enough.

Beck has had more chances than a billionare in a casino, and some of you still want to be bitten by snake who's venom still has been flushed out from the last few snake bites. Must be something to the snakebite for some to keep coming back for more.