Beck on race, the civil war and the sothern constitution

[tangent4ronpaul]

What's up with Beck tonight? He statedL

That the southern constitution was about slavery

That that is why the civil war was fought

That during the revolutionary war elected offices were held by 60-70% black leaders... In a country practicing slavery and were blacks were not allowed to vote...

A bunch of white slave owners got together and decided to elect a majority of blacks to run the government. Uh, hu...

Or did slavery start later? If it did, where did these blacks come from. Don't really recall any mention of early black migration - with the exception of the slave masters.

He goes on to talk (with a historian pushing this) that the guy had discovered masses of paintings of black leaders hidden under staircases. A pattern he claimed was replicated in southern state after southern state.. Yet he has no idea when the pics got "hit under the staircase"...

hmmmm......

IDK bout that...

-t

[akforme]

What did he say about Lincoln?

[Matt Collins]

What's up with Beck tonight? He statedL

That the southern constitution was about slavery

That that is why the civil war was fought

:rolleyes: *facepalm*

[FrankRep]

What's up with Beck tonight? He statedL

That the southern constitution was about slavery

That that is why the civil war was fought

Glenn Beck is getting more educated, but he has a long way to go.


Time to educate him about the Civil War.

The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War - Thomas DiLorenzo
http://www.shopjbs.org/index.php/books/the-real-lincoln.html


33 Questions About American History You're Not Supposed to Ask- Thomas E. Woods Jr.
http://www.amazon.com/Questions-About-American-History-Supposed/dp/0307346692/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1277556865&sr=1-1

[RM918]

I don't think the civil war is really a necessary point to get agreement on. It's long over, the slaves were freed, I'd rather not retread about what may or may not have been a better way to get it done. Though it is rather annoying when people use it to oppose secession.

[Matt Collins]

I don't think the civil war is really a necessary point to get agreement on. It's long over, the slaves were freed, I'd rather not retread about what may or may not have been a better way to get it done. Though it is rather annoying when people use it to oppose secession.Well unfortunately the majority of the federal goverment's trampling of federalism and the Constitution is based upon the precedents set during the fight against Southern independence. You must understand what took place there to understand current law and US history and how we came to arrive at the leviathan that we currently reside in.

[TNforPaul45]

Well unfortunately the majority of the federal goverment's trampling of federalism and the Constitution is based upon the precedents set during the fight against Southern independence. You must understand what took place there to understand current law and US history and how we came to arrive at the leviathan that we currently reside in.

ABSOLUTLEY! and the discussion about the states ability to nullify federal law and secede from the federal leviathan is more relevant than ever, where both actions come from the natural rights laid out in the declaration of independence that a free people can dissolve the bonds holding them to a government that no longer represents them and threatens their safety.

These issues are more relevant now than ever.

[Smitty]

Well unfortunately the majority of the federal goverment's trampling of federalism and the Constitution is based upon the precedents set during the fight against Southern independence. You must understand what took place there to understand current law and US history and how we came to arrive at the leviathan that we currently reside in.

It may have been linked on here before, but Joseph Sobran explains it very well.

Very good read:

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Rec_Read/how_tyranny_came_to_america.htm

[jmdrake]

@ Original Poster: Someone posted a link to Beck's show. It was well done and from what I could tell historically accurate. I heard no mention of this "60 to 70%" number you are talking about.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=251003

Post a link if you have it that backs up that claim.

@Matt C: Ron Paul himself said that the mistake of slavery helped lead to the civil war. While that wasn't the only factor, we do ourselves and our cause a disservice when we ignore it as a factor. Also the "bad precedence" was set both before and after Lincoln. Washington and Madison put the kibbash on the individual right of nullification by putting down Shays rebellion (sparked when revolutionary war soldiers who were stiff by the government on their pay were being thrown out of their homes so that the state governments could have money to pay back international bankers who were demanding repayment in gold) and the Whiskey rebellion (sparked because of the first ever "excise tax" which was on whiskey disproportionately hurt western farmers who had a hard time getting grain to eastern markets and put them at an unfair advantage to large eastern distillers who got an exception from paying much of the tax.) I know some will say "Well those rebellions were put down without much violence". That's only because the rebels weren't willing to put up much of a fight. Others will say "Well the states didn't get involved and the 10th amendment only authorizes the states to assert rights." Really?

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Individual people have as many rights under the 10th amendment to nullify as do states.

Madison also set the precedence for having a central bank.

Andrew Jackson squashed the idea of secession when tariffs were the only issue on the table by threatening to hang the leaders of the secessionist movement. Does anybody really believe Andrew "Trail of Tears - Old Hickory" Jackson would have backed down?

But even with all of the bad precedence, and even with the wrongs Lincoln did during the civil war, the federal government as a total a permanent fixture in our lives coupled with America being linked into internationalism didn't happen until Woodrow Wilson and FDR.

@Everybody - This is a divisive issue with little return IMO. I've met many people who fly confederate flags who are staunchly in favor of foreign interventionism. And many are just as addicted to big government. Look at the recent poll in KY that showed that while few there felt the civil rights act was a big deal many were concerned about the ADA. Some people only care about "states rights" when it suits them. Look at the confederate states themselves. Many expressed as a grievance the lack of enforcement of the fugitive slave laws. What about the right of other states to free people who had crossed into their territory?

But hey, it's a free country. Talk about what you want. But don't complain the next time someone else "mixes messages".