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AcidReign
06-17-2010, 07:34 AM
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/96528854.html

U.S. Senate candidate Ron Johnson's courtship of tea party groups took another twist as he postponed question-and-answer sessions with two organizations this week after a skeptical reception from constitutional conservatives in Jefferson County.

Johnson called the United Nations a joke, mocked the notion of human-made global warming, endorsed dramatically lower taxes and said abolition of the IRS would be wonderful, but the Republican wasn't prepared for some questions thrown at him Friday by the Rock River Patriots.

His campaign said a personal issue forced him to skip his scheduled appearances at "vetting sessions" in Chippewa County on Tuesday and in Madison on Wednesday night.

But some tea party activists were skeptical, saying Johnson may be regrouping because he couldn't seem to satisfy the Rock River Patriots with specific policy positions on constitutional issues such as gun rights, property protection and limited government. They also took note that he was able to attend a Republican Party office opening earlier Tuesday in the same part of the state.

"Johnson is probably a sincere guy and I think on a gut level he's conservative, but he hasn't taken the time yet to develop his positions," said Ken Van Doren, an official with Campaign for Liberty.

Todd Welch, the group's interim state coordinator, called Johnson's support of the Patriot Act and the national Real ID mandate "scary" and said he had hoped to question him about government invasion of privacy. Johnson backs Real ID as a crackdown on illegal immigration.

Questioning Johnson
A video of Johnson's 45-minute vetting Friday by the Rock River group shows the Oshkosh businessman alternately at ease and somewhat defensive. He explained he is not a scholar of the Constitution, adding that it "is not an easy document" and is "hard to study unless you do it in detail."

On Second Amendment rights, Johnson said he was not a gun owner and hadn't thought a lot about which "infringements" he would support on gun ownership. He said he absolutely backs the amendment, along with "minimal licensing" and the right to concealed carry.

Asked why the founders provided the Second Amendment, Johnson drew sympathetic laughter when he responded: "It truthfully was so we could keep government in check."

"They understood the all-powerful nature of government and they wanted to keep government in check and that is why there is a basic right to bear arms. It really wasn't for hunting," he said.

Pressed to name federal agencies he considered unconstitutional, Johnson said he hadn't given thought to it.

He supported the Patriot Act but said potential civil-liberties concerns warranted reviewing it every couple years.

"I certainly share the concerns on civil liberties now that you have Barack Obama in power versus George Bush. I wasn't overly concerned with George Bush in power," he said.

Johnson didn't take a stance on the constitutionality of the income tax system, but on taxes, Johnson said: "If you could eliminate the IRS that would be a wonderful thing, but is it practical, I don't know. We are so far from that point. You're going to have to do it in steps … I favor tax simplification and reductions, a flatter and fairer system."

Dan Horvatin, president of the Rock River group, said members there wanted more detail because they are "constitutional purists."

"I'm not a constitutional scholar either, but there are some things that are relatively self-explanatory in the Constitution," Horvatin said.

Tea party favorite
Juston Johnson, Johnson's campaign manager, said the candidate has opinions and ideas, but not tight policy positions yet because "he has not spent the last 30 years in politics … He's been building a business."

Johnson will offer more detail as the campaign goes on, Juston Johnson said.

Ron Johnson entered the campaign in mid-May after well-received speeches at teaparty rallies in Oshkosh and Madison. That led the media to label him a tea party favorite, which prompted a coalition of tea party groups to publicly clarify they had not endorsed him.

After that announcement, Johnson reached out to the organizations and agreed to appearances before several of the local groups.

Wednesday's cancellation disappointed the Wisconsin 9/12 Project and Dane County Republicans who were interested in seeing Johnson, said Kirsten Lombard, organizer of the Madison-based tea party group.

"While we are in communication with the Johnson campaign and they say they want to reschedule, they seem to be having a difficult time finding a date that works," she said.

Juston Johnson said the campaign was deluged with tea party requests. Ron Johnson and Watertown businessman Dave Westlake are competing to take on incumbent U.S. Sen. Russ Feingold, a Democrat.

AcidReign
06-17-2010, 07:48 AM
I'm torn on this race. Feingold had some votes I really respected, but he had some bad ones as well.

Austrian Econ Disciple
06-17-2010, 08:04 AM
Ken Van Doren is a great man. Spent a lot of time sitting down and talking economics, liberty, and philosophy with the man. There are a lot of hardcore liberty activists in this area of Wisconsin. Glad they are holding his feet to the fire.

Epic
06-17-2010, 08:10 AM
When Feingold voted for Obamacare, he gave away any ability to promote himself as a civil liberties defender.

John Taylor
06-17-2010, 09:29 AM
I'm donating to Russ Feingiold, he's the best person in the Senate on foreign policy, even if Rand comes into the Senate, Feingold is solid on foreign policy wise, he was the only ONE to vote against the PATRIOT Act, against Iraq War, list goes on and on.

Donating to Russ Feingold????? The man who championed socializing a sixth of the economy? Jesus Christ. He's a straight up socialist.

AcidReign
06-17-2010, 10:34 AM
Ron seems to be a good guy, but I agree with the sentiment of some of the people quoted in this article. He is so new to the politcal landscape there is not a lot about his positions out there. The questions the CFL reps were asking were the types of things I want to know before supporting someone. He probably got a lot of questions he has not thought about. Hopefully he picks up even more liberty positions, but I not going to vote for someone solely because they spoke at a tea party rally or two.

Brian Defferding
06-17-2010, 10:55 AM
I can't vote for Ron Johnson for the same reasons I can't vote for most Republicans. They are good on the economy, terrible on civil liberties and foreign policy.

I can't vote for Feingold for the exact opposite reasons - he's marvelous on civil liberties and foreign policy, but terrible on the economy.

It's the ever-so-terrible Libertarian's conundrum. Another election year, another Aliens vs. Predator matchup. I love my country but hate my government.

Oh, and great job Todd Welch for exposing Ron Johnson for who he really is. He is not the candidate you are looking for. Move along.*


*yes, that was a Star Wars reference.

Brian4Liberty
07-14-2010, 01:39 PM
DeMint has endorsed Ron Johnson. Any updates on his positions?

AcidReign
07-14-2010, 02:40 PM
He does have issues on his web page now. Typical establishment Republican positions on pretty much everything. The local loudmouth, Ron Paul hating, neocon radio host Mark Belling loves him. I am not jumping for joy. Think Palin wing of the Tea Party.

Brian4Liberty
07-14-2010, 02:59 PM
He does have issues on his web page now. Typical establishment Republican positions on pretty much everything. The local loudmouth, Ron Paul hating, neocon radio host Mark Belling loves him. I am not jumping for joy. Think Palin wing of the Tea Party.

Has the Primary taken place yet? Is there a Ron Paul style candidate running?

Galileo Galilei
07-14-2010, 03:04 PM
Ken van Doren is a good friend of mine. He's a good man. This looks like a race where the Tea Party ought to back Feingold. Johnson is a neocon warmoger rino nwo.

AuH2O
07-14-2010, 03:30 PM
Club endorsed him today.

libertybrewcity
07-14-2010, 03:38 PM
Ron Johnson is not a tea partier or anywhere near a liberty candidate. He supports war, Israel, real id, patriot act. He is the typical establishment neocon.

Galileo Galilei
07-14-2010, 03:43 PM
Club endorsed him today.

Club Fed? The prison industry backs Johnson?

Badger Paul
07-14-2010, 03:52 PM
Ron Johnson was foisted on Republicans by the Milwaukee based. trio of neocons talk radio hosts (Belling-Sykes-Wagner) who think they run the party. They think the state of Wisconsin ends at the Waukesha-Washington-Ozaukee county lines. How much longer before Republicans around the rest of the state say enough is enough? How many more losing statewide candidates do you wish to back?

Galileo Galilei
07-14-2010, 03:58 PM
When Feingold voted for Obamacare, he gave away any ability to promote himself as a civil liberties defender.

I always find it amusing when so-called liberty people hold democrats to one-vote or one-issue standards, but give republicans a free pass on a wide range of issues and votes.

Feingold voted against the Patriot Act. He voted against all the bailouts. He sponsored the Audit the Fed bill and voted for it every time. Now he is refusing to back the bogus financial "reform" bill.

He has a much better overall voting record than anybody in the Senate, and that includes Jim DeMint.

Feingold has the most libertarian voting record in the Senate. He is the second biggest maverick in the entire congress, next only to Ron Paul. He is also the least wealthy Senator. In other words, even though peopel in his boat usually need to suck up to the power brokers, Feingold usually doesn't.

libertybrewcity
07-14-2010, 04:02 PM
Ron Johnson was foisted on Republicans by the Milwaukee based. trio of neocons talk radio hosts (Belling-Sykes-Wagner) who think they run the party. They think the state of Wisconsin ends at the Waukesha-Washington-Ozaukee county lines. How much longer before Republicans around the rest of the state say enough is enough? How many more losing statewide candidates do you wish to back?

Belling Sykes and Wagner air to more than just Milwaukee County. They are throughout Southeastern Wisconsin and who knows how many people up north who moved from Southern Wisconsin listen to them. It is a shame they have so much power but Wisconsin needs to pull through and elect some better candidates that have some pull in who gets elected. I think Ed Thompson will be an excellent candidate when Kohl eventually retires.

Also, Johnson is backed by the NRSC...great
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0710/39698.html

South Park Fan
07-14-2010, 04:30 PM
I always find it amusing when so-called liberty people hold democrats to one-vote or one-issue standards, but give republicans a free pass on a wide range of issues and votes.

Feingold voted against the Patriot Act. He voted against all the bailouts. He sponsored the Audit the Fed bill and voted for it every time. Now he is refusing to back the bogus financial "reform" bill.

He has a much better overall voting record than anybody in the Senate, and that includes Jim DeMint.

Feingold has the most libertarian voting record in the Senate. He is the second biggest maverick in the entire congress, next only to Ron Paul. He is also the least wealthy Senator. In other words, even though peopel in his boat usually need to suck up to the power brokers, Feingold usually doesn't.

You might want to check that. http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2009/s/64

Galileo Galilei
07-14-2010, 04:43 PM
You might want to check that. http://www.opencongress.org/vote/2009/s/64

This is just a party line vote.

AcidReign
07-14-2010, 04:45 PM
Has the Primary taken place yet? Is there a Ron Paul style candidate running?

Dave Westlake is his primary opponent. Seems to be a bit more in line with the Ron Paul mentality. He is going to have a tough time against Johnson's money, and I will say Johnson's ads are good. Here is a good article on Westlake.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/96625514.html

Notable excepts


The decorated Army officer said the act has proven ineffective for fighting terrorism, erodes civil liberties through overly broad wiretapping and should have been replaced within a few years of the 9-11 attacks.


On the legitimacy of federal agencies, Westlake says the energy and education departments unconstitutionally overreach into local affairs. Johnson told the Patriots group last week that he had not thought through the issue and is not a constitutional scholar.

Galileo Galilei
07-14-2010, 04:52 PM
Dave Westlake is his primary opponent. Seems to be a bit more in line with the Ron Paul mentality. He is going to have a tough time against Johnson's money, and I will say Johnson's ads are good. Here is a good article on Westlake.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/96625514.html

Notable excepts

Westlake is endorsed by the RLC. The problem is, he has no chance to beat multi-millionaire Johnson who the GOP apparatus also backs.

Westlake should run in the Libertarian Party where he a better chance to make the general election ballot. There is no sense in running as a Ron Paul republican unless you win. If you lose, you just create the illusion that the GOP is libertarian, and hence, you help neocons, RINOs, and NWO backed candidates win.