[Video inside] Freedom Watch - lineup: Kucinich, Beck, Stossel [Archive]

roho76

06-16-2010, 01:01 PM

This should be interesting. Hopefully the Judge and Stossel squash them both.

On a side note I went to buy "Road to Serfdom" and it's sold out everywhere except Amazon but since I'm at a hotel in Tuscaloosa I don't want to ship it. Thanks Beck. Jerk.

BuddyRey

06-16-2010, 01:03 PM

Awesome! I can't wait to tune in!

Brett

06-16-2010, 01:20 PM

See, that's a fair and balanced debate. Liberal, Conservative and Libertarian. I dare MSNBC to try it.

Stary Hickory

06-16-2010, 01:23 PM

Beck is going to be in agreement with the Judge most of the time. Let's see how much latent Neocon he has left in him.

Fredom101

06-16-2010, 01:27 PM

WHAT? Kucinich is a socialist who wants to force people at gunpoint to pay for everyone else's healthcare.
Beck is a neocon who wants to force everyone at gunpoint to pay for middle east mass murder.

What's this got to do with freedom?

specsaregood

06-16-2010, 01:27 PM

This should be interesting. Hopefully the Judge and Stossel squash them both.

I don't think that is the Judges intent, based on the first show. The first show, he went out of his way to find AGREEMENT. I don't think he is starting a show based on the jerry springer style of arguments and fights. It is like RP's 4points platform he unveiled at the end of the presidential campaign.

We stand to gain a lot more by focusing on the issues we agree upon with the ideological left than we do from fighting them.

Edit: go watch the first show again. he started by finding agreement with the social conservatives and the libertarians, then he moved onto finding agreement between the liberals and the other two groups.

emazur

06-16-2010, 01:28 PM

Beck is going to be in agreement with the Judge most of the time. Let's see how much latent Neocon he has left in him.

The question I submitted to the Judge for Beck was "What is the libertarian position most difficult for you to accept? You sometimes praise non-interventionism, but for Israel..."

Fredom101

06-16-2010, 01:39 PM

Because Beck supports economic freedom and Kucinich supports foreign policy freedom.

The good is not the enemy to the pure.

He'd probably say abortion. The Judge and Beck both aren't libertarian there.

But the evil is the enemy of the good. Kucinich may want to end the wars, but he wants to turn the guns on the people and make them pay for domestic welfare. How is this not evil? Beck may want to end a lot of social programs, but his war support is pure EVIL. We need to stick to principles here, which neither of these two men have.

Depressed Liberator

06-16-2010, 01:42 PM

I'd prefer Kucinich over Beck. Foreign policy is my biggest issue.

low preference guy

06-16-2010, 01:43 PM

I'd prefer Kucinich over Beck. Foreign policy is my biggest issue.

You're wrong. The Fed should be the biggest issue. No FED, no wars.

In contrast, if you get people to oppose the wars and they have a FED, they can change their mind anytime.

specsaregood

06-16-2010, 01:46 PM

You're wrong. The Fed should be the biggest issue. No FED, no wars.

In contrast, if you get people to oppose the wars and they have a FED, they can change their mind anytime.

And Kucinich is against both of those things. Or course i think Kucinich supports a govt-owned central bank; but still he is against the Federal Reserve in its current incarnation.

georgiaboy

06-16-2010, 01:52 PM

I don't think that is the Judges intent, based on the first show. The first show, he went out of his way to find AGREEMENT. I don't think he is starting a show based on the jerry springer style of arguments and fights. It is like RP's 4points platform he unveiled at the end of the presidential campaign.

We stand to gain a lot more by focusing on the issues we agree upon with the ideological left than we do from fighting them.

Edit: go watch the first show again. he started by finding agreement with the social conservatives and the libertarians, then he moved onto finding agreement between the liberals and the other two groups.

A novel approach. I like it.

Austrian Econ Disciple

06-16-2010, 01:52 PM

You're wrong. The Fed should be the biggest issue. No FED, no wars.

In contrast, if you get people to oppose the wars and they have a FED, they can change their mind anytime.

Technically, its no fiat money, little to no wars (and if we have them they are very small, and very quick with no Nation building, occupation, etc.). A combination of no fiat money, laissez-faire, and free-trade will end all wars for the US.

georgiaboy

06-16-2010, 01:54 PM

I like this mix of guests also for the different types of people that will be simultaneously drawn to watch. Something for everyone.

sailingaway

06-16-2010, 02:30 PM

I think he should explore their similarities on the Patriot Act and FISA.

Well, Kucinich's and Stossel's at least. I'm not really sure where Beck stands on those.

MichelleHeart

06-16-2010, 02:31 PM

This is awesome. I'm hoping for some healthy debate, and perhaps some common ground. This'll be one exciting episode.

zade

06-16-2010, 03:26 PM

kkassam

06-16-2010, 04:08 PM

Brett

06-16-2010, 04:54 PM

You might have success if you try a used book store.

Or the Libertarian Party's website's store :p

MRoCkEd

06-19-2010, 08:01 AM

On now

JVParkour

06-19-2010, 08:03 AM

is there a stream online? I am desperately trying to find one.

cajuncocoa

06-19-2010, 08:21 AM

Glenn Beck: much more "Ron Paul" than "Sarah Palin" HE SAID THIS!....OMG his audience is going to keel when they hear this. We should make sure they do!:D

RM918

06-19-2010, 08:24 AM

That Midas Gold commercial is painful to hear. "The government elite doesn't WANT you to buy horribly overpriced gold from us, Ron Paul says so!"

eOs

06-19-2010, 08:25 AM

Beck is total fail. He's comparing himself to Ron Paul "message" wise and the entire time blames everything on progressivism. What a tool.

cajuncocoa

06-19-2010, 08:28 AM

Beck is total fail. He's comparing himself to Ron Paul "message" wise and the entire time blames everything on progressivism. What a tool.

Yup. But I still love that the Judge pinned him to the wall! :D:D

low preference guy

06-19-2010, 08:30 AM

Beck is total fail. He's comparing himself to Ron Paul "message" wise and the entire time blames everything on progressivism. What a tool.

The first progressive was Woodrow Wilson, and Ron Paul strongly criticized him. The progressives in the Republican Party are called neocons. I don't think Beck is off base blaming everything on progressives.

FrankRep

06-19-2010, 08:30 AM

Beck is total fail. He's comparing himself to Ron Paul "message" wise and the entire time blames everything on progressivism. What a tool.

Yeah, Beck is still stuck in the Left-Right paradigm. He doesn't realize the Right will stab him in the back as fast as the Left will.

MRoCkEd

06-19-2010, 08:38 AM

Yeah, Beck is still stuck in the Left-Right paradigm. He doesn't realize the Right will stab him in the back as fast as the Left will.
Glenn agreed we have one party, and he said George Bush was a progressive.

PS: Judge just smacked down this lady on the inheritance tax.

tjeffersonsghost

06-19-2010, 08:40 AM

Glenn agreed we have one party, and he said George Bush was a progressive.

PS: Judge just smacked down this lady on the inheritance tax.

what time is freedom watch on today?

RM918

06-19-2010, 08:41 AM

Glenn agreed we have one party, and he said George Bush was a progressive.

PS: Judge just smacked down this lady on the inheritance tax.

But it was terrible! "This anti-government bias is sooooo terrible, how could you not trust the government to spend a third of your life's wages on horribly expensive boondoggles, murder and building airports for senators?"

what time is freedom watch on today?

Right now. 20 minutes left.

It's on again at 8 PM EST.

tjeffersonsghost

06-19-2010, 08:42 AM

Right now. 20 minutes left.

Is it on later today? I dont want to watch the end...

RM918

06-19-2010, 08:44 AM

Is it on later today? I dont want to watch the end...

Yep, 8.

As much as I don't like that girl, I feel like talking over her is not really too fair.

"Go ahead, Caroline."

*interrupted 3 seconds later*

eOs

06-19-2010, 08:46 AM

Glenn agreed we have one party, and he said George Bush was a progressive.

Who cares if he made the right or wrong argument against progressivists his entire game is to just shift the blame and he does it while he compares himself to ron paul even though his foreign policy just this year was the complete opposite it is on the Judge's show.

Bergie Bergeron

06-19-2010, 08:50 AM

What was Beck's big moment?

eOs

06-19-2010, 08:53 AM

What was Beck's big moment?

Apparently he's a libertarian now. :rolleyes:

malkusm

06-19-2010, 09:16 AM

How did this thread get derailed? Oh wait....

He'd probably say abortion. The Judge and Beck both aren't libertarian there.

Where's the BANHAMMER? :D

MRoCkEd

06-19-2010, 09:17 AM

Abortion debate has been moved here:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=250142

specsaregood

06-19-2010, 09:24 AM

Glenn Beck: much more "Ron Paul" than "Sarah Palin" HE SAID THIS!....OMG his audience is going to keel when they hear this. We should make sure they do!:D

^http://72.73.236.82/photos/discodance.gif

So I take it this was another entertaining episode?

Fredom101

06-19-2010, 09:41 AM

Hmm. So Beck is now pro-drug legalization and anti-war? I'm not buying it.

specsaregood

06-19-2010, 09:46 AM

Hmm. So Beck is now pro-drug legalization and anti-war? I'm not buying it.

I dont really care if he means it -- he is merely an actor -- I only care if fox news is spreading such propaganda.

Fredom101

06-19-2010, 09:49 AM

I dont really care if he means it -- he is merely an actor -- I only care of fox news is spreading such propaganda.

It won't matter. If Beck starts announcing daily on his show that he's a libertarian, it will divide people more. The word 'libertarian' will then be associated with Fox News and all of its idiocy, and Beck will eventually lead the sheeple to a far less principled candidate than Paul who believes in the war and the war on drugs, "BUT HAS A CHANCE TO WIN"!

justinc.1089

06-19-2010, 09:51 AM

Oh yeah, about Beck too...

He will stab us in the back in 2012.

Mark my words, write them down, remember I said this, I swear to you all, Beck will stab us in the back in 2012!

He is saying he is a libertarian now and gaining support and trust of people that think we should end the wars and end the drug war so that when 2012 comes around, he can promote Neo-cons like Palin, Romney, and Gingrich, and crush libertarians like Paul and Johnson if they run.

Its just like with the Patriot act and the bailouts. Supposedly he hated big government ever since he came on tv, but then Bush got elected and the Patriot act came along- Beck supported it. Then the bailouts- AGAIN BECK SUPPORTED BIG GOVERNMENT.

I think he will do it again in 2012 by promoting neo-cons and demoting libertarians.

specsaregood

06-19-2010, 09:53 AM

It won't matter. If Beck starts announcing daily on his show that he's a libertarian, it will divide people more. The word 'libertarian' will then be associated with Fox News and all of its idiocy, and Beck will eventually lead the sheeple to a far less principled candidate than Paul who believes in the war and the war on drugs, "BUT HAS A CHANCE TO WIN"!

If the foxnews viewers started viewing the word 'libertarian' in high regard that would be an improvement.

TheDriver

06-19-2010, 09:57 AM

"Us" don't win elections... not unless "us" builds coalitions with others.

low preference guy

06-19-2010, 09:58 AM

tubes?

specsaregood

06-19-2010, 10:01 AM

"Us" don't win elections... not unless "us" builds coalitions with others.

Which seems to be the whole point behind the judge's new show.....This country has gotten to where it is by the elite playing the right vs. left......

brenden.b

06-19-2010, 10:07 AM

I don't care what people say about Beck, the guy is definitely coming around to our side on the issues. He could definitely be a powerful tool come 2012.

People often criticize him for changing his views only to make money, but isn't it the least bit possible that he political views are actually changing for the right reasons?

My political views have changed dramitically since 2008, and I definitely wasn't doing it for the money. Of course, it is different with Beck because he is a media guy, but still...

low preference guy

06-19-2010, 10:12 AM

first 10 minutes

YouTube - Freedom Watch - The Constitution "The Struggle Continues" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=semvWIZNpCE)

low preference guy

06-19-2010, 10:18 AM

full episode

http://usaguns.net/patriots/free2.html

johnrocks

06-19-2010, 10:20 AM

full episode

http://usaguns.net/patriots/free2.html

Bless you!:)

low preference guy

06-19-2010, 10:22 AM

the introduction is sort of hilarious.

CUnknown

06-19-2010, 10:25 AM

You're wrong. The Fed should be the biggest issue. No FED, no wars.

In contrast, if you get people to oppose the wars and they have a FED, they can change their mind anytime.

You're wrong, lol. I think this is what you call, "an opinion" so it can't really be wrong. He didn't say it was "the biggest issue" he said it was "my biggest issue."

I happen to agree with him, too, even though you are technically right. I can stomach (not well, but better) the thought of fake money being printed up... what I can't stomach is paying through taxes to help in the murder of thousands of people. I can't stomach that at all. In fact, I think I am probably an immoral coward for continuing to pay taxes.

jkr

06-19-2010, 10:35 AM

no sound 4 me!

any other sources yet?

specsaregood

06-19-2010, 10:47 AM

no sound 4 me!

any other sources yet?

works fine for me.

CUnknown

06-19-2010, 10:58 AM

Yup. But I still love that the Judge pinned him to the wall! :D:D

Yeah the Judge was giving him the 3rd degree, it was beautiful! :D

specsaregood

06-19-2010, 11:00 AM

So stossel came out in favor of federal govt pollution regulation/laws. He said, "thank god" about it even.

low preference guy

06-19-2010, 11:30 AM

I didn't like the level of aggressiveness from the Judge against that lady Carol.

Our positions are correct, and we can prove them even if we are polite.

roho76

06-19-2010, 11:54 AM

Matt Collins

06-19-2010, 12:32 PM

what time is freedom watch on today?
It's only on FBN toady!

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x93/sonicspikesalbum/MattandtheJudge-ee.jpg
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_2T0Ya_U4gN8/S_LkL7ifoMI/AAAAAAAAAGA/xDt72mISVFc/Toady%20-%20TheCollins01.jpg

;):p

Matt Collins

06-19-2010, 12:39 PM

I didn't like the level of aggressiveness from the Judge against that lady Carol.

As much as I don't like that girl, I feel like talking over her is not really too fair.

Yeah the Judge gets hyper sometimes. But remember he used to be a Judge, the most powerful man in the room and was accustomed to talking over people and having them shut up whenever he spoke. Doing a radio show constantly and having control over the people who you are discussing things with, not to mention wanting to keep a tight time and quick speedy flow all cause him to sometime be a bit punchy with his guests.

If you ever watch the FW live segment at the university with the students it was like someone fed him a bunch of sugar beforehand. And of course he lives in NY and NJ so I am sure that affects his personality too :p ;)

Matt Collins

06-19-2010, 12:42 PM

It won't matter. If Beck starts announcing daily on his show that he's a libertarian, it will divide people more. The word 'libertarian' will then be associated with Fox News and all of its idiocy, and Beck will eventually lead the sheeple to a far less principled candidate than Paul who believes in the war and the war on drugs, "BUT HAS A CHANCE TO WIN"!
I don't think so. The word "libertarian" becoming mainstream is a good thing and can lead to a better understanding of liberty. We win the people's hearts and minds so that when we come to ask their votes it will be much easier to do so.

Nate-ForLiberty

06-19-2010, 12:48 PM

so his book tries to marginalize "conspiracy theorists"?

specsaregood

06-19-2010, 01:07 PM

I didn't like the level of aggressiveness from the Judge against that lady Carol.

Our positions are correct, and we can prove them even if we are polite.

Of course that lady also said something like "being anti government is not really part of being american" or something of the like.

also, was she the only person that was a professor? funny that. the most unlibertarian person on the panel is the one teaching our young....

low preference guy

06-19-2010, 01:10 PM

also, was she the only person that was a professor? funny that. the most unlibertarian person on the panel is the one teaching our young....

are you surprised by that? the American people have a relatively good sense of life, work ethic, and ideas about government naturally inherited from their traditions. it's in college and universities that they get brainwashed. a princeton university graduate taught by krugman and bernanke is quite capable of destroying the country, and princeton university is not unique in this respect. close to every humanities department in the country is a marxist brainwashing center.

low preference guy

06-19-2010, 01:12 PM

Of course that lady also said something like "being anti government is not really part of being american" or something of the like.

sure, and the judge should have politely responded: Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine said that government was, at best, a necessary evil. Do you consider Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson un-americans?

specsaregood

06-19-2010, 01:37 PM

are you surprised by that? the American people have a relatively good sense of life, work ethic, and ideas about government naturally inherited from their traditions. it's in college and universities that they get brainwashed. a princeton university graduate taught by krugman and bernanke is quite capable of destroying the country, and princeton university is not unique in this respect. close to every humanities department in the country is a marxist brainwashing center.

Nope, I meant "funny that" in a totally unfunny, unsurprising kind of way. Of course I was lucky to have a humanities professor that was an ex-nun that was too wild and carefree for the nunnery. :)