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GunnyFreedom
06-15-2010, 08:18 PM
http://www.military.com/news/article/former-marine-had-hands-up-when-shot.html?ESRC=marine.nl

Former Marine Had Hands Raised When Shot

June 11, 2010
Baltimore Sun

The unarmed former Marine fatally shot by an off-duty Baltimore police officer outside a Mount Vernon bar early Saturday had his hands in the air when the officer fired 13 rounds, striking him nine times in the chest and groin, according to department sources.

Two top police commanders said Thursday that four witnesses -- two friends of victim Tyrone Brown and two bystanders -- corroborated that version of events in taped interviews with homicide detectives and prosecutors.

The commanders acknowledge that three other witnesses who were with Gahiji A. Tshamba said that he identified himself as a police officer and that Brown shoved Tshamba, events that would be more favorable to the officer's case. But police say the version of events described by those witnesses is inconsistent with evidence recovered at the scene and other findings of the investigation.

Police sources with knowledge of preliminary autopsy findings said the medical examiner found a heat imprint from a muzzle blast on Brown's shirt, a condition known as stippling. Such an imprint is created when a weapon is fired from as close as five inches away. The finding could be used to show that Brown was executed at close range, but it could also indicate that he was shot while advancing on the officer.

Police officials, who requested not to be identified in part to distance themselves for now from a highly sensitive case, have taken the unusual step of releasing details of an investigation as part of an effort to defuse public anger that Tshamba has not been charged with a crime.

They say they are frustrated that prosecutors might extend the investigation into next week, delaying the arrest of the 15-year veteran officer.

Officials with the Baltimore state's attorney's office declined to comment on the investigation. State's Attorney Patricia C. Jessamy said during a radio appearance Thursday that her department was "moving forward expeditiously."

Police worry that further delays will add to mounting public suspicion that authorities are protecting one of their own. The unusually harsh criticism, shrouded behind anonymous sources, appears designed to shift public anger over Tshamba's not having been arrested to the prosecutorial arena.

"We handed prosecutors our case Monday morning," said one top police official, who spoke on the condition he not be named. The lead investigator on the case "has slowly interviewed everyone and went to the crime scene. That's fine, but our position is we would like to proceed as soon as possible."

Said another commander: "In this case, the best we can see, there is no reason for this man to have been shot as many times as he was. Homicide is convinced that the evidence is very clear. This is not a complex case. ... There was no physical confrontation. He had his hands up when he was shot."

Speaking with Clarence M. Mitchell IV on WBAL radio, Jessamy said she planned to meet with prosecutors Friday to discuss the case. But she cautioned that doesn't mean charges are imminent.

"I'm not the general public," Jessamy said. "I can't offer opinions. I have to make decisions based on the law, the facts and the evidence. ... We will be moving forward expeditiously."

Despite a swift police investigation, prosecutors say they are awaiting the autopsy report and want to talk with officers who responded to the scene. They have already reinterviewed the seven witnesses.

Privately, officials in the prosecutor's office note that because this is Tshamba's second off-duty shooting of a civilian in five years, they want to make sure the case is handled properly.

In 2005, Tshamba was driving under the influence of alcohol when he got into a confrontation with a group of young men in a sport utility vehicle who he said shouted racial epithets at him. Tshamba followed the car into a residential neighborhood, where the other driver turned his vehicle and rammed the officer. Tshamba chased the men into a wooded area, firing his weapon. A juvenile was hit in the foot.

Tshamba received an eight-day suspension for the incident but avoided criminal charges and dismissal. Prosecutors now privately question whether top police administrators were too lenient in allowing him to remain on the force. As one official said: "They expect us to clean up their mess."

Officials in both the department and state's attorney's office say the pressure from the public, the news media and within their own offices has made the investigation complex and politically charged. One official in the prosecutor's office cautioned that many cases "are not as easy and cut-and-dried and slam-dunks as people want us to believe."

Andrew C. White, a former federal prosecutor who is now a defense attorney, said the state's attorney's office should proceed slowly to build a solid case.

"I think the prosecutors are trying to strike a balance between speed and accuracy," White said. "In the immediate aftermath of a shooting, oftentimes it is not clear if a person acted in self-defense. ... Public opinion has no bearing. You put yourself in a box if you arrest too soon."

White said that when a shooting involves a police officer "who is trained to recognize situations that are rapidly unfolding, you have to give some credit to what the officer says in defense of why he discharged his firearm. ...He gets the benefit of the doubt. Whether it's appropriate or not is a question, but he gets it."

Tshamba remains on desk duty without his gun and badge. Meanwhile, Brown's family has hired an attorney, Andrew D. Freeman, and have announced the funeral for 10 a.m. Wednesday at the Morgan State University auditorium.

The shooting involving Tshamba occurred early Saturday after he and Brown found themselves in an alley off Eager Street and near the back door to Club Hippo.

Brown, a former Marine, touched the officer's female companion, who took exception to what Brown apparently thought was a joke. Brown sister, who witnessed the exchange, said her brother apologized and tried to walk away but Tshamba challenged him.

Police said the officer took out his department-issued Glock and fired 13 rounds from feet away, hitting Brown nine times. Detectives are trying to determine whether Tshamba was impaired by alcohol. The officer has declined to talk to homicide detectives, and he refused to take a breath test.

Once detectives heard from some witnesses that Tshamba might have identified himself as a police officer, investigators treated the probe as a police-involved shooting, meaning any charges would be left for prosecutors, who take all such cases before a grand jury, which adds time before an arrest is made.

One police commander said arresting Tshamba on the spot would have been irresponsible. They didn't know whether he had consumed alcohol, needed to review recordings from a surveillance camera near the shooting scene (later found to be inoperable) and listen to 911 calls, he said.

Tshamba, like any citizen being investigated in a possible crime, does not have to speak to detectives. Unlike a civilian in the same predicament, he cannot be detained and is free to leave to consult an attorney, a right afforded him under his labor contract.

And not every civilian involved in a homicide is arrested immediately. The Johns Hopkins University student who killed an intruder with a samurai sword in the fall of 2009 was questioned by detectives but never arrested or charged. Prosecutors later ruled the killing self-defense. Similarly last year, a dry cleaner and a gas station attendant were never arrested after they shot robbers, and both were later cleared.

Jessamy's office has feuded with city police for years on a variety of issues, including arrest policies, the creation of a list of officers deemed too untrustworthy to testify in court and the thoroughness of police investigations.

Prosecutors have lost or dropped several criminal cases against police officers because of botched probes or missing evidence, including two rape cases in 2007 and a misconduct case in 2001 involving an officer accused of planting drugs on an innocent man.

"There is a reason we are going carefully," one official in the state's attorney's office said of the case being built against Tshamba, "and it's because if we get to trial a year from now, we want to make sure this is right."

GunnyFreedom
06-15-2010, 09:03 PM
I think this is especially important given the source, Military.com, and reading the comments it seems these active duty and veterans are more outraged than I expected. I mean, veterans tend to take this stuff more seriously than non-veterans on average anyway I think, but reading the comments at the site, these people sound more pissed even than WE do....

squarepusher
06-15-2010, 09:10 PM
wtf this is fucked

Stary Hickory
06-15-2010, 09:28 PM
Hmm yeah this cop is a bad one.

nate895
06-15-2010, 09:52 PM
The court should sentence him to death by thirteen gunshots at point blank range, so he can know that feels before descending into the netherworld.

GunnyFreedom
06-15-2010, 09:53 PM
Well, I really do hate to play the "hero" card, as I personally don't consider there to be that much of a distinction between a former servicemember and regular citizens, but what's important here is not what you or I think, but public perception. The public perception on this particular case stands to have a lot more impact than had it been one of the myriad "normal" police-involved murders, and so we may just get some public traction behind it to make a real difference going forward. Cops picked the wrong civilian to murder this time it seems.... the public outrage is significantly greater than it usually is behind one of these.

Vessol
06-15-2010, 09:56 PM
Well, I really do hate to play the "hero" card, as I personally don't consider there to be that much of a distinction between a former servicemember and regular citizens, but what's important here is not what you or I think, but public perception. The public perception on this particular case stands to have a lot more impact than had it been one of the myriad "normal" police-involved murders, and so we may just get some public traction behind it to make a real difference going forward. Cops picked the wrong civilian to murder this time it seems.... the public outrage is significantly greater than it usually is behind one of these.

Very true. This will enrage a lot of people, they slipped up bad. The general population would be a lot less upset if it was just some everday normal guy, and this has shown when this has happened before.

squarepusher
06-15-2010, 09:56 PM
wow, the off duty police officer was drinking at a bar, and refused a breathalyzer after he went on his shooting spree! HE essentially unloaded his magazine on this marine, and it looks like the police dept is covering it up ala sweep under rug.

daviddee
06-15-2010, 10:18 PM
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Dr.3D
06-15-2010, 10:28 PM
SNIP~ who was shot 12 times last weekend outside a Mount Vernon club, charging documents say.

-- Baltimore Sun

From the article in the OP.

the officer fired 13 rounds, striking him nine times in the chest and groin, according to department sources.

I have to wonder how nine shots suddenly turned to 12 shots. Perhaps they found out more when the autopsy was performed?

GunnyFreedom
06-15-2010, 10:30 PM
You're a few days behind....

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/baltimore/md-officer-suspect-turns-self.html (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/crime-scene/baltimore/md-officer-suspect-turns-self.html)



Md. officer, suspect turns self in

Baltimore police officer Gahiji A. Tshamba, who is accused of fatally shooting an unarmed former Marine, turned himself in Sunday after a vigorous effort to locate him.

Tshamba arrived with his attorney at the Central Booking Intake Facility in Baltimore about 1:30 a.m., police said.

Baltimore police had declared him their "No. 1 suspect" for the weekend and mobilized dozens of officers to comb city streets and distribute fliers.

A warrant for first-degree murder was issued Friday afternoon, charging Tshamba in the killing of Tyrone Brown, 32, a former Marine who was shot 12 times last weekend outside a Mount Vernon club, charging documents say.

-- Baltimore Sun

OK, what we need to do now, then, is figure out how to make the case that this is not really that different than all these other cases where the cop got off scott-free, it's just that this particular victim evokes a stronger emotional response and therefore they finally felt compelled to actually do something beyond giving the murderer a weeks paid vacation.

GunnyFreedom
06-15-2010, 10:31 PM
From the article in the OP.


I have to wonder how nine shots suddenly turned to 12 shots. Perhaps they found out more when the autopsy was performed?

Yeah, I was wondering that myself, actually...

youngbuck
06-15-2010, 11:12 PM
The court should sentence him to death by thirteen gunshots at point blank range, so he can know that feels before descending into the netherworld.

C'mon now, speaking of real justice is absurd!;)

Anti Federalist
06-15-2010, 11:28 PM
OK, what we need to do now, then, is figure out how to make the case that this is not really that different than all these other cases where the cop got off scott-free, it's just that this particular victim evokes a stronger emotional response and therefore they finally felt compelled to actually do something beyond giving the murderer a weeks paid vacation.

Would be nice to think that the killing of a Marine would garner more outrage than the killing of a mundane, but I wonder...

Reminds me of that shooting in Chino back in 2008 I think it was, where cops shot an unarmed passenger in a car they chasing who was an active duty MP.

Thanks for the post Glen.

Roxi
06-15-2010, 11:30 PM
Well, I really do hate to play the "hero" card, as I personally don't consider there to be that much of a distinction between a former servicemember and regular citizens, but what's important here is not what you or I think, but public perception. The public perception on this particular case stands to have a lot more impact than had it been one of the myriad "normal" police-involved murders, and so we may just get some public traction behind it to make a real difference going forward. Cops picked the wrong civilian to murder this time it seems.... the public outrage is significantly greater than it usually is behind one of these.

Sadly you are exactly right. Not too many were outraged at the shooting of a 7 year old black girl.... looks like this one might be a blessing in disguise.

squarepusher
06-15-2010, 11:37 PM
well, its because they always do cover up's or spin it. For example, say if this man wasn't a marine. The police could release a statement such as "Possible gang member killed after assault..." or some other headline where the average reader would just say "meh, another thug off the street, who cares" or something along those lines.

This being a marine, who risks his life to do the will of our politicians, makes that argument harder.

Similar with the 7 yr old black girl, I was outraged about that, imagine if she was 17 years old, she would likely be described as a prostitute/drug addict, which no one would miss, and no one would care.

Eroberer
06-16-2010, 03:03 AM
8 day suspension for being drunk, driving after some guys because they insulted you, chasing them into the woods while shooting at them.

What the hell is wrong with these bastards? No wonder they think they can do anything. Had you or I done that, we would be in prison for aggravated assault, attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon, DUI, etc.

He deserves nothing but the worst.

phill4paul
06-16-2010, 04:18 AM
Tshamba, like any citizen being investigated in a possible crime, does not have to speak to detectives. Unlike a civilian in the same predicament, he cannot be detained and is free to leave to consult an attorney, a right afforded him under his labor contract.

'nuff said. One set of rules for us. A different set of rules for them.