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susano
06-15-2010, 05:06 PM
President Obama announced in Pittsburgh last week that BP’s Gulf oil spill demands his wrath in the form of the Kerry-Lieberman “cap-and-trade” energy tax. Hearing this, your reaction may have been to wonder just how making energy more expensive for everyone—seniors, the poor, it’s all good—is a proper response. And the truth is that our young ideological president’s effort to make sure this crisis doesn’t go to waste is actually much worse than it seems on its face.

BP, joined by Enron, invented carbon cap-and-trade in the mid-1990s. Yeah. That cap-and-trade.

I know, because I was in the room.

And BP has been lobbying for it aggressively and at great expense ever since, some eight figures of which has gone to green pressure groups.

Specifically, in May 1997 I met with senior officials from BP, Niagara Mohawk Power, and others… “others” like the Union of Concerned Scientists and their ilk… in the Washington offices of a white-shoe New York law firm, putting our collective heads together strategizing on how to get the U.S. roped into a global warming treaty, and get “cap-and-trade” imposed domestically, too.

You can read some great internal Enron memos about this effort they led in partnership with BP at the Master Resource website, run by Enron refugee and frustrated internal whistleblower Rob Bradley. One particularly illuminating montage, including with links, is found here.

The Enron-BP partnership continued until Enron’s unhappy ending. That collapse only led BP, like GE which also picked at the bones of the uneconomic assets Enron had acquired with an eye toward obtaining the “global warming” wealth transfers, to step up its efforts just that much harder.

[...]


Flash-forward about two months after this gathering of the “Business Council for Sustainable Development”. On August 4, 1997 BP met in the Oval Office with the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States (some guy named Al), and Enron to instruct the administration to ignore the unanimous Senate instruction pursuant to Article II, Section 2 of our Constitution imposing the requirement of “advice and consent”.

That “advice” was do not go to Kyoto and agree to that treaty or anything like it. Instead, Ken Lay and (then-BP CEO, then-Sir and now Lord) John Browne pleaded, go ahead to Kyoto and agree to that treaty, binding the U.S. and also getting cap-and-trade as part of it.

Those are facts. As is that, after U.S. negotiators in Kyoto continued to heed the Senate’s unanimous advice, Al Gore hopped on a plane to Japan and instructing them to instead heed the advice of BP and Enron. And, with regrets to a sloppy or impossibly biased media, team Clinton-Gore even signed Kyoto just as BP and Enron demanded, contrary to the Senate and the Constitution.

[...]

So the truth is that BP has not only asked, for more than a decade, for the supposed punishment that President Obama now says is imperative he and the Senate now dole out in response to the Gulf oil spill. It has been pleading for it.

BP, with able help from Enron, invented carbon cap-and-trade. For Obama to claim or even imply that furiously cramming-down this scheme in response, somehow getting back at the company which Sen. John Kerry now admits helped him write the very bill Obama referred to, is disgraceful either in its ignorance or its dishonesty.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/10/bp-is-asking-for-its-punishment%E2%80%94literally/#ixzz0qxt9knCh

dannno
06-15-2010, 05:18 PM
Wow thanks.. I've been talking to someone about the spill recently and how BP is in bed with big govt. and how the administration is just putting on a dog and pony show for the public while BP is in their pocket.

This was the perfect article to send over.

awake
06-15-2010, 05:22 PM
None of the dog and pony show tactics are going to save them.

cooker263
06-15-2010, 05:30 PM
This is a great article to share with others who don't really understand the issues. So many people could easily be hoodwinked into cap & trade now without realizing they're just being suckered in.

susano
06-15-2010, 05:34 PM
Tonight the whore in chief will use this catastrophe in our beautiful Gulf to pimp for these demons.

susano
06-15-2010, 05:42 PM
Here are a few more links on this, you guys

http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/index.php?s=&showtopic=204465&view=findpost&p=2695979

squarepusher
06-15-2010, 06:23 PM
shared on facebook

Brian4Liberty
06-15-2010, 06:47 PM
See this sub-forum:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/forumdisplay.php?f=47

And this thread for videos:

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=226484

Brian4Liberty
06-15-2010, 06:49 PM
Glenn Beck on this subject:

YouTube - Glenn Beck on Cap and Trade (Part1).wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwqyfYzt16Y)

YouTube - Glenn Beck on Cap and Trade (Part 2).wmv (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7zKCaSLISQ)

Brian4Liberty
06-15-2010, 06:53 PM
http://royaldutchshellplc.com/2009/11/13/shell-calls-for-global-expansion-of-cap-and-trade-co2-programs/


Nov. 13 (Bloomberg) — Royal Dutch Shell Plc, Europe’s largest oil producer, said regional mechanisms to reduce carbon dioxide output should be expanded into a global cap-and-trade system to ensure more companies are forced to curb emissions.

susano
06-15-2010, 08:00 PM
Thanks, Brian!

Brian4Liberty
06-15-2010, 08:17 PM
Thanks, Brian!

No problem. One of my favorite subjects. The most left Democrats have second thoughts when you tell them who is behind this.

This is a good article:


http://www.nationalcenter.org/NPA585.html
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A new report by the Center for Public Integrity finds that over 2,000 lobbyists, including representatives of the financial industry, are pressing for the cap-and-trade scheme to create an artificial carbon emissions trading market that could reach an estimated $2 trillion in paper value.

According to the CPI study, lobbyists for Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase are involved. JPMorgan Chase got $25 billion in TARP money last fall, while Goldman Sachs obtained $10 billion. The stated purpose of the cash infusion was to recapitalize the banks so they could resume consumer lending.

By promoting cap-and-trade, Wall Street is once again betting it can profit from embracing left-wing politics. CEOs see an opportunity to garner praise for themselves as “socially responsible” businessmen while they profit from the sale of renewable energy products, such as wind turbines, and from the trading of carbon dioxide emission credits.

The taxpayer, the consumer and the stockholder will pay.

If cap and trade is adopted, whatever gains a few companies may make on investments in renewable energy or emissions trading will be paid for by the devastating effects of higher energy prices on the broader economy.
...

susano
06-15-2010, 09:49 PM
No problem. One of my favorite subjects. The most left Democrats have second thoughts when you tell them who is behind this.

This is a good article:

If cap and trade is adopted, whatever gains a few companies may make on investments in renewable energy or emissions trading will be paid for by the devastating effects of higher energy prices on the broader economy.
...

And, it won't do a damn thing to protect the environment.

The very forces behind C&T are the people who hijacked the environmental movement of the 70s - the corporations, planet rapers, and their cronies in gov't. They successfully managed to take attention OFF real pollution, like chemical dumping into waterways, and shift it to CO2, an essential componant of our atmosphere! I swear to GOD, you could not make this shit up.

Vessol
06-15-2010, 09:54 PM
Can I put on a tinfoil hat for a second and share a recent thought?

Perhaps the BP executives decided as this oil craze is slowly dying out. Why not go out with a boom and create a justification for the government to create carbon taxes in which they could make a secured massive profit in something that doesn't depend on scarcity.

GunnyFreedom
06-15-2010, 10:17 PM
Blasted to Facebook and elsewhere. This one needs to be very well known before they start the C&T push coming end of this month.

GunnyFreedom
06-15-2010, 10:18 PM
Anybody want to help write a 10th Amendment based state-level legislation to bar Cap & Trade from interfering with intra-state trade? :D

Noob
06-16-2010, 07:35 AM
They just use the oil spill to empose carbon rationing.

NiceGoing
06-16-2010, 08:52 AM
They just use the oil spill to empose carbon rationing.

Keee-rect. :)

Brian4Liberty
06-16-2010, 11:35 AM
One of the best, simplified descriptions of the Cap and Trade scam:

YouTube - The Story of Cap & Trade (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA6FSy6EKrM)

Unfortunately, it is also full of global warming hysteria and big government, left-wing propaganda. This video should always be shown directly after the video above:

YouTube - Story of Cap & Trade, The Critique (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWjGZNDEH-A)

Anti Federalist
06-16-2010, 12:05 PM
Now we're talking.

"Please, oh please, don't throw me in the brier patch!!"

Explains the MSM's hysteria over the whole affair too.

Which I know will wind you up, but the fact is, it's not the end of the world, or life as we know it, but you wouldn't know that from watching the MSM.

At the end of the day, we the people will be paying for this in higher costs and regulations and loss of freedom, while government and big business reap the benefits.


President Obama announced in Pittsburgh last week that BP’s Gulf oil spill demands his wrath in the form of the Kerry-Lieberman “cap-and-trade” energy tax. Hearing this, your reaction may have been to wonder just how making energy more expensive for everyone—seniors, the poor, it’s all good—is a proper response. And the truth is that our young ideological president’s effort to make sure this crisis doesn’t go to waste is actually much worse than it seems on its face.

BP, joined by Enron, invented carbon cap-and-trade in the mid-1990s. Yeah. That cap-and-trade.

I know, because I was in the room.

And BP has been lobbying for it aggressively and at great expense ever since, some eight figures of which has gone to green pressure groups.

Specifically, in May 1997 I met with senior officials from BP, Niagara Mohawk Power, and others… “others” like the Union of Concerned Scientists and their ilk… in the Washington offices of a white-shoe New York law firm, putting our collective heads together strategizing on how to get the U.S. roped into a global warming treaty, and get “cap-and-trade” imposed domestically, too.

You can read some great internal Enron memos about this effort they led in partnership with BP at the Master Resource website, run by Enron refugee and frustrated internal whistleblower Rob Bradley. One particularly illuminating montage, including with links, is found here.

The Enron-BP partnership continued until Enron’s unhappy ending. That collapse only led BP, like GE which also picked at the bones of the uneconomic assets Enron had acquired with an eye toward obtaining the “global warming” wealth transfers, to step up its efforts just that much harder.

[...]


Flash-forward about two months after this gathering of the “Business Council for Sustainable Development”. On August 4, 1997 BP met in the Oval Office with the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States (some guy named Al), and Enron to instruct the administration to ignore the unanimous Senate instruction pursuant to Article II, Section 2 of our Constitution imposing the requirement of “advice and consent”.

That “advice” was do not go to Kyoto and agree to that treaty or anything like it. Instead, Ken Lay and (then-BP CEO, then-Sir and now Lord) John Browne pleaded, go ahead to Kyoto and agree to that treaty, binding the U.S. and also getting cap-and-trade as part of it.

Those are facts. As is that, after U.S. negotiators in Kyoto continued to heed the Senate’s unanimous advice, Al Gore hopped on a plane to Japan and instructing them to instead heed the advice of BP and Enron. And, with regrets to a sloppy or impossibly biased media, team Clinton-Gore even signed Kyoto just as BP and Enron demanded, contrary to the Senate and the Constitution.

[...]

So the truth is that BP has not only asked, for more than a decade, for the supposed punishment that President Obama now says is imperative he and the Senate now dole out in response to the Gulf oil spill. It has been pleading for it.

BP, with able help from Enron, invented carbon cap-and-trade. For Obama to claim or even imply that furiously cramming-down this scheme in response, somehow getting back at the company which Sen. John Kerry now admits helped him write the very bill Obama referred to, is disgraceful either in its ignorance or its dishonesty.


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/06/10/bp-is-asking-for-its-punishment%E2%80%94literally/#ixzz0qxt9knCh