Western CPAC 2012 Presidential Poll Missing Dr. Paul

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The Western CPAC internet poll of potential 2012 presidential candidates is missing Dr. Ron Paul.

http://www.westerncpac.com

I emailed James V. Lacy, Chairman of Western CPAC, Inc. and Director of American
Conservative Union, and Congressman Tom McClintock, Honorary Co-Chair asking for a public response as to his erroneous absence.

You may want to do the same if you are so inclined.
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They Added Dr. Paul!!! GO VOTE NOW!!!!!!!

[james1906]

I wrote...

I noticed this year's CPAC winner Ron Paul is not on the poll, how do I go about voting for him?

[speciallyblend]

typical gop establishment games, don't worry let the gop throw another election!!

[dannno]

E-mailed.

I sent them a message months ago asking them to invite Ron Paul to speak at the conference after he won the CPAC poll.

[fiddler1]

Emailed...

Here we go again with the exclusions..

Republican party needs to be rebuilt from the bottom up..

[dannno]

Need more people to email these scumbags. Pretend they aren't scumbags when you are emailing them though.

[catdd]

That's not an easy thing to do.

[Tink]

Ok, Chairman responded to me by stating that the poll was not a "major feature" to the site and nothing was being "tabulated". He confirmed that there was no "conspiracy" against Dr. Paul. He also stated that they will be doing a real straw poll at the convention and that people will be able to "vote for anyone they want" at that time. He did not feel like he needed to make his response public because it "insinuated that Ron Paul has somehow been harmed by this minor oversight". He also made a statement that if anything needed to be "rectified" in a "public forum" it was the money he has loaned to Western CPAC over the years to keep it in operation.

I would recommend that we help Mr. Lacy accomplish his goal of having a successful event by participating with his program and poll.

[MRoCkEd]

well then

[Tink]

My response sent Tue 6/15/2010 1:06pm:
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Thank you for your immediate and candid response to my question. I was certain there was a reasonable explanation and that the issue would be resolved if brought to your attention.

To be clear, I was not insinuating that Dr. Paul would care either way if he made your list or not. But, Dr. Paul is a good conservative who is widely recognized and appreciated by many party members.

By not including him someone in your organization was inadvertently neglecting a number of Republicans who would love to participate in your poll and program. Perhaps our small contribution to this year’s event might help offset your organizations financial commitments.

My reference to a public response was just to save you the unnecessary time of having to respond to each individual inquiry you might receive. But, since this was simply an erroneous mistake, I’m certain that is unnecessary.

Thanks again for all your efforts,
Linda Gonzales
lindagonzales@larimergop.org

[RM918]

2007 all over again.

[low preference guy]

Time to organize an alternative conference in the same city, at the same time, and invite Ron Paul?

[Tink]

Time to organize an alternative conference in the same city, at the same time, and invite Ron Paul?

Oh, I went to the "Rally for the Republic" and LOVED IT!!! The speakers, music, education . . . Priceless!!!!! I'm ready to put some effort into that :)

[TonySutton]

So with the absence of Ron Paul on the list, we should SPAM vote for Rick Santorum? or some other scumbag?

[Kregisen]

They have McCain on the list? They have Jeb Bush? They have Ricky Santorum?


Whoever made this poll is an asshole.

[Tink]

They have McCain on the list? They have Jeb Bush? They have Ricky Santorum?

Whoever made this poll is an asshole.


My sentiments exactly!

Somehow they missed Giuliani too, but I wasn't going to complain about that :D

[TonySutton]

Scott Brown4%
Jeb Bush4%
Mike Huckabee7%
Bobby Jindal7%
John McCain0%
Sarah Palin22%
Tim Pawlenty11%
Mitt Romney20%
Ricky Santorum24%
Total votes: 45

I voted Santorum as a protest vote to the crapiness of the choices offered.

Maybe we should vote so they remain deadlocked :P

[olehounddog]

Whoever made this poll is an asshole.[/QUOTE]

Damn, I knew I forgot to tell them something.:D

[Uriel999]

email sent. LOL!

[catdd]

Minor oversight, my az.

[Kregisen]

I agree, let's all vote Santorum (I haven't even heard of him before) to screw up the poll. (and let them know what we think of all the other candidates)

[HOLLYWOOD]

How embarrassing... they have Scott Brown, Jeb Bush, and Juan McCain on the list... R U shitting me?

The GOP is PATHETIC... no rhythm, no concept, no clue, just Banana Republicans!



Which potential 2012 presidential candidate would you most likely vote for?

Scott Brown: 4%
Jeb Bush: 4%
Mike Huckabee: 7%
Bobby Jindal: 7%
John McCain: 0%
Sarah Palin: 24%
Tim Pawlenty: 11%
Mitt Romney: 20%
Ricky Santorum: 24%

[catdd]

santorum leads romney

[low preference guy]

Let's vote Sanrotum.

[dannno]

Voted Sanscrotum.

[John Taylor]

Voted Sanscrotum.

I voted Scrotorum as well.

[sailingaway]

The Western CPAC internet poll of potential 2012 presidential candidates is missing Dr. Ron Paul.

http://www.westerncpac.com

I emailed James V. Lacy, Chairman of Western CPAC, Inc. and Director of American
Conservative Union, and Congressman Tom McClintock, Honorary Co-Chair asking for a public response as to his erroneous absence.

You may want to do the same if you are so inclined.

He endorsed McClintock who has always been very grudging about it. I think McC is a tolerably decent fiscal conservative but nothing special, but he had the temerity -- before asking for Ron Paul's endorsement in his own race -- of saying to the press he 'didn't think Ron Paul was of Presidential timber'.

Snort!! They don't even have 'other', the cowards.

[Matt Collins]

The "poll" on the website is not a major feature of the site, votes on it aren't tabulated, it is just a featureIf votes aren't tabulated, then why even have a poll?

And besides, how can it display the results after voting if the votes aren't tabulated :rolleyes:



But did he ever answer the question as to WHY Ron was not included in the poll?!?! :confused:

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But did he ever answer the question as to WHY Ron was not included in the poll?!?! :confused:
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No he didn't answer that question or the more important one Who made the decision not to include him

I tried to be as gracious as possible because that is my nature, but the more I think about it . . . the more irritated I get:mad:

[Tink]

He endorsed McClintock who has always been very grudging about it. I think McC is a tolerably decent fiscal conservative but nothing special, but he had the temerity -- before asking for Ron Paul's endorsement in his own race -- of saying to the press he 'didn't think Ron Paul was of Presidential timber'.

Snort!! They don't even have 'other', the cowards.

I also emailed McClintock at the same time as the chairman. He is listed as the honorary co-chair of the organization. But, McClintock hasn't responded to me yet. My guess is that he won't since I'm not in his district.

The liberty maven crew has also sent emails inquiring why Dr. Paul was omitted. They have been following the biases in straw polls for a while. Here is their article from the Ron Paul vs. Mitt Romney (http://libertymaven.com/2010/04/10/straw-poll-media-bias-ron-paul-vs-mitt-romney/9498/) debacle.

[JVParkour]

Ron Paul is now listed as an option for the online poll. Lets vote Paul!

[Tink]

I agree, let's all vote Santorum (I haven't even heard of him before) to screw up the poll. (and let them know what we think of all the other candidates)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Santorum

Not the most impressive candidate, but certainly a more humorous result for their poll than Palin :p

[BuddyRey]

Yay! Voted for RP!

[Tink]

Ron Paul is now listed as an option for the online poll. Lets vote Paul!

Yeppie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeppie), complaining really did work this time! I'm so impressed :D

Just cast my vote for the MAN!

http://www.westerncpac.com

Here are the results so far:

Which potential 2012 presidential candidate would you most likely vote for?
Scott Brown 5%
Jeb Bush 3%
Mike Huckabee 5%
Bobby Jindal 6%
John McCain 2%
Sarah Palin 20%
Ron Paul 3%
Tim Pawlenty 9%
Mitt Romney 14%
Ricky Santorum 35%
Total votes: 66

[dannno]

Yeppie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeppie), complaining really did work this time! I'm so impressed :D

Just cast my vote for the MAN!

http://www.westerncpac.com

Here are the results so far:

Which potential 2012 presidential candidate would you most likely vote for?
Scott Brown 5%
Jeb Bush 3%
Mike Huckabee 5%
Bobby Jindal 6%
John McCain 2%
Sarah Palin 20%
Ron Paul 3%
Tim Pawlenty 9%
Mitt Romney 14%
Ricky Santorum 35%
Total votes: 66


Dude, we only need like 40 votes to take this thing..

[BuddyRey]

I really wish some of y'all hadn't jumped the gun by voting for that fundamentalist d-bag Rick Santorum. Now we're going to have to fully and mercilessly implement those super-secret Ron Paul "basement spammer" powers that everyone in the media says we have! :D

^ I'm totally kidding...except for the part about Santorum.

[Kylie]

Which potential 2012 presidential candidate would you most likely vote for?
Scott Brown4%
Jeb Bush3%
Mike Huckabee4%
Bobby Jindal5%
John McCain1%
Sarah Palin16%
Ron Paul19%
Tim Pawlenty8%
Mitt Romney11%
Ricky Santorum29%


Total votes: 79



See? We don't even have to spam it. Just let a few more of us vote, and we'll win it fair and square. If those of you who voted for Ricky would have waited, we would probably have 40% or more of this poll already.

:D

[molly_pitcher]

Just voted. Paul leads 37%

Jeb Bush is listed, WTF?

[Kregisen]

Damn it....why don't they just start the poll over if they're gonna add a new candidate?

Even when they fix a problem they're still trying to cheat their way through.

Oh well....he's already beating everyone by 20% anyway.

[Flash]

Just use a proxy if you already voted for Rick.

[BuddyRey]

Go RP!

[PermanentSleep]

Voted.

[ninepointfive]

way to handle that!

[Cleaner44]

Ron Paul 48%

[Tink]

Damn it....why don't they just start the poll over if they're gonna add a new candidate?

Even when they fix a problem they're still trying to cheat their way through.

Oh well....he's already beating everyone by 20% anyway.

Geez, there are almost 65 people on that North Carolina House Candidate list. I hope your guy Glen gets enough votes, it will probably only take a dozen or so to push him ahead.

And your right, I would have started the poll over again if I added a name. Doesn't matter the poll really doesn't mean anything anyway as the chairman stated. We'll need people to show up at the event to make a headline.

[Tink]

way to handle that!

Hey, nice to see another Coloradoan stepping up! Carl's the Man!!

[Tink]

Ron Paul 48%

Wow, and growing :p

[tangent4ronpaul]

54% - w00t!

-t

[Kregisen]

Ron Paul 88%

lol I don't know....at some point I think it's counter-productive. If you get too many votes like u88%, the credibility of the poll kills itself.

No candidate is close to half that in polls.

[Reason]

Ron Paul 88%

lol I don't know....at some point I think it's counter-productive. If you get too many votes like u88%, the credibility of the poll kills itself.

No candidate is close to half that in polls.

This.

[sailingaway]

This.

Can we help it if no one likes the other guys enough to hand around their polls?

[sailingaway]

I voted Scrotorum as well.

Santorum is a bad choice. He is still ragging on Sarah Palin about her 'bad decision' in endorsing Rand, with his insufficiently hawkish views per Santorum. Santorum endorsed Rand's opponent in the primaries.

Glad they ended up putting Ron on even if it were near the end.

"Santorum says Grayson is "the only 100% pro-life candidate in this race," and also questioned Paul's national security views, in particular what Santorum suggests is a naivete about the nuclear threat posed by Iran.
"I think that's where Rand Paul really fars short," Santorum said, "and I've seen too much from him and as to why the threat of Iran with a nuclear weapon is not something we should be concerned about, or why we're getting involved in the Middle East with the threat of Islamic facism that we're confronting. If you don't have an understanding of the grave threat that this poses to our country, I've got some serious concerns about whether you're the right person to be in the U.S. Senate at this point."
Santorum said he called Kentucky senior senator Mitch McConnell before announcing publicy that he was endorsing Grayson, but said that McConnell did not request the endorsement.
"He said he thought that was the right move and he encouraged me to go out there and say what I thought, which I'm doing," Santorum said.
Santorum said he would meet Grayson for the first time at the Right to Life banquet, but had spoked to Grayson by phone and interviewed him on Santorum's radio show.
"I'm very excited," Santorum said, "I've looked at his record."

[TheeJoeGlass]

Just voted. Paul leads 37%

Jeb Bush is listed, WTF?

Jeb Bush is a MAJOR canidate in 2012. He was good son.

[Tink]

Oh, I went to the "Rally for the Republic" and LOVED IT!!! The speakers, music, education . . . Priceless!!!!! I'm ready to put some effort into that :)


Time to organize an alternative conference in the same city, at the same time, and invite Ron Paul?

So, it ends up that there is an event going on in LA the same weekend as the Western CPAC that might interest some of you.

http://www.libertopia.org

So far their speaker lineup is as follows:

Master of Ceremonies is Richard B. Boddie, J.D., President of The Motivators
http://www.freestateproject.org/about/endorsements/boddie.php

General Session Speakers: Main Conference Room

David T. Beito, professor of History at the University of Alabama
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_T._Beito

Bruce L. Benson, Economics Department Chair, a DeVoe Moore Professor, and Distinguished Research Professor at Florida State University
http://mailer.fsu.edu/~bbenson/

Peter Bos, V-50 innovator and entrepreneur.

Gary Chartier, Associate Dean of the School of Business and Associate Professor of Law and Business Ethics at La Sierra University at Riverside, CA
http://liberalaw.blogspot.com/

Zaira Dynia, Anthropologist, theatre artist, DJ, a co-host of Truthatoz Podcast, and PR Rep for the Ladies of Liberty Alliance
www.truthatoz.net, www.iamlola.org

Fred Foldvary, Economist at Santa Clara University and research fellow at Independent Institute
http://www.foldvary.net/

David Friedman, Professor of Law at Santa Clara University and Economist
http://www.daviddfriedman.com/

Patri Friedman, Executive Director of The Seasteading Institute
http://patrifriedman.com/

Dwight Johnson, Software Engineer by day and Website Publisher by night
http://www.panarchy-sj.com/HomePage.php

Angela Keaton, Development Director for Antiwar.com, Producer of Antiwar Radio, Vice Chair of the Board of Ladies of Liberty Alliance
http://www.antiwar.com/radio

Roderick T. Long, Professor of philosophy at Auburn University, president of the Molinari Institute, and an anarcho-libertarian blogger
http://aaeblog.com

Spencer MacCallum, Anthropologist, business consultant, and libertarian anarchist author.

Stefan Molyneux, Blogger, essayist, author, and host of the Freedomain Radio series of podcasts
http://www.freedomainradio.com/

James Peron, Libertarian Author and President of Laissez Faire Books
http://www.lfb.org/

Sharon Presley, Ph.D., Social psychologist, Co-founder Laissez Faire Books, author, libertarian anarchist writer and activist.
http://www.sharonpresley.com/index.html

Bob Prestridge, Paleo-anarcho capitalist and creator of a political hard SF television series.

John Pugsley, Libertarian political and economics commentator, lecturer, and author
http://www.biorationalinstitute.com/shownews.php?nid=210

Pasha Roberts, President, Director of Lineplot Productions
http://www.lineplot.com/company.html

Paul Rosenberg, Author and entrepreneur
www.veraverba.com, www.cryptohippie.com

J. Neil Schulman, Award-winning Author/Filmmaker/Songwriter
http://www.pulpless.com/jneil/jnsbio.html

Butler Shaffer, Professor of Law at Southwestern Law School
http://www.swlaw.edu/faculty/faculty_listing/facultybio/70115

Michael Shermer, Science writer, historian of science, and founder of The Skeptics Society
http://www.michaelshermer.com/

Jay Stuart Snelson, Professional speaker and creator of The V-50 Lectures and Win-Win Theory.
http://jaysnelson.com/

Brad Spangler, Anarchist blogger and Director, Center for a Stateless Society
http://bradspangler.com/

Marc Stevens, Voluntaryist author, consultant and radio show host
http://marcstevens.net/

Edward P. Stringham, Associate professor of American business and economic enterprise at Trinity College.
http://www.independent.org/aboutus/person_detail.asp?id=1016

Michael Strong, Pioneer in education and independent learning
http://www.flowidealism.org/Home/about-us.html

Speaking via Exclusive Video for Libertopia (my personal favorite :-)

L. Neil Smith, Libertarian science fiction author and political activist.
http://www.lneilsmith.org/