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sailingaway
06-10-2010, 12:50 PM
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

Ron Paul within 1% of Palin's spread, 2% of Gingrich's.... And Ron comes in WAY ahead with independents of all candidates.

Mind you, the Dem PPP thinks that means he should run independent....

Rasmussen always polls GOP higher than PPP, PPP thinks this is because Rasmussen is incorrect, believe what you like.

libertybrewcity
06-10-2010, 12:54 PM
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

Ron Paul within 1% of Palin's spread, 2% of Gingrich's.... And Ron comes in WAY ahead with independents of all candidates.

Mind you, the Dem PPP thinks that means he should run independent....

Rasmussen always polls GOP higher than PPP, PPP thinks this is because Rasmussen is incorrect, believe what you like.

Interesting take on Paul:

All five of the possible GOP contenders lead Obama with independents, but Paul does so by the widest margin at 46-28.

It has been easy in the past to write Paul off as irrelevant but this anti-politician climate is giving his movement some steam. Paul's going to have an interesting choice in the next year or so. If his goal is really to be President rather than to influence the national dialogue then he should probably keep on trying to win the GOP nomination, as improbable as that might be. But if he wants to guarantee himself a major role in the 2012 contest he should run as a third party candidate instead. Polling at 5-10% nationally in the general election would get his views a much wider airing than just trudging along through the Republican nomination process and hoping to get 10-15% in each primary.

RonPaulCult
06-10-2010, 01:00 PM
He's catching on - I'm telling ya

WOW!

sailingaway
06-10-2010, 01:38 PM
Note here that independents currently OUT NUMBER GOP.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends

And Ron is the only candidate picking up independents as if they were his own party.

puppetmaster
06-10-2010, 01:44 PM
good information

Imperial
06-10-2010, 01:57 PM
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

Ron Paul within 1% of Palin's spread, 2% of Gingrich's.... And Ron comes in WAY ahead with independents of all candidates.

Mind you, the Dem PPP thinks that means he should run independent....

Rasmussen always polls GOP higher than PPP, PPP thinks this is because Rasmussen is incorrect, believe what you like.

Rasmussen traditionally gives Republicans a bit of an edge over reality. The Kos/Research2k polls similarly boost the Democrats, though not quite the degree as Rasmussen does for Republicans it seems.


PPP has been one of the most accurate pollsters around, behind only SurveyUSA (although some of the SUSA House polls a few months back that were commissioned by Firedoglake seemed like an interesting take on turnout)

rich34
06-10-2010, 02:02 PM
Didn't rasmussen's last poll show Ron almost dead even with Obama at 42 to 41 percent? I know they use different polling methods, but why is it for the other candidates there about the same, but with Ron PPP has him 10 points down, but the other only 1? I do like the fact that both show him killing everyone with independents!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

sailingaway
06-10-2010, 02:40 PM
Didn't rasmussen's last poll show Ron almost dead even with Obama at 42 to 41 percent? I know they use different polling methods, but why is it for the other candidates there about the same, but with Ron PPP has him 10 points down, but the other only 1? I do like the fact that both show him killing everyone with independents!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41

Me too.

Bodes well for Rand's chances in KY as well, although to be honest, I am not sure what the indie/Dem/GOP breakdown is for KY. I do know Rand's favorables amongst indies was way up, but way DOWN from where they had been in Dec. I think he can get that back, but don't know that he has decided to run his campaign in the way to do that.

Epic
06-10-2010, 02:54 PM
State polls as of now:
7% in Iowa (PPP, May 31 2010, 7 choices - Demint & Thune): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/early-republican-numbers.html
7% in South Carolina (PPP, May 31 2010, 6 choices - Demint -): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/early-republican-numbers.html
6% in Michigan (PPP, May 31 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/early-republican-numbers.html
6% in New Hampshire (Magellan, May 2010, 7 choices): http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Magellan-New-Hampshire-GOP-US-Senate-Primary-Survey-Release-0528101.pdf
10% in California (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/gingrich-looking-serious.html
9% in Colorado (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_518.pdf (PDF)
8% in North Carolina (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/looking-at-our-gop-polling.html
8% in Kentucky (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/paul-still-up-big.html
6% in Kentucky (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/paul-continues-to-lead-big.html
9% in Arizona (PPP, April 2010, 5 choices ): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/04/2012-gop-in-arizona.html
7% in New Hampshire (PPP, April 2010, 8 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/04/romney-up-big-in-new-hampshire.html

National Polls previously:
PPP May 2010 national poll - 8% for Ron Paul - 5 way race - http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/jumble-for-gop.html
CNN April 2010 national poll: 8% for Ron Paul - 9 way race (w/Santorum, Pence, Barbour, Pawlenty, Gingrich): http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/13/rel7d.pdf (PDF)
PPP March 2010 national poll - 11% for Ron Paul - 4 way race (no Gingrich): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/03/romney-leads-tight-republican-race.html
Gallup February 2010 poll: 2% for Ron Paul (open ended poll, so it's lower): http://www.gallup.com/poll/125777/Voters-Divided-Obama-Republican-Candidate-2012.aspx

Versus Obama:
PPP June 2010 poll: Obama 46 Paul 36 (Pauls win independents 46-28) http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/06/obama-up-in-2012-contests.html
Rasmussen March 2010 poll: Obama 42 Paul 41 (highlighted by Drudge) http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41
PPP November 2009 poll: Obama 46 Paul 38 http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/monthly-2012-numbers.html

libertybrewcity
06-10-2010, 03:57 PM
Note here that independents currently OUT NUMBER GOP.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/partisan_trends

And Ron is the only candidate picking up independents as if they were his own party.

i could see the majority of the gop voting for ron and the independents would already be there. ron could win this. we would just need to get past palin, huckabee, and romney in the primary. if ron wins iowa or comes in 2nd he would have the momentum to come in 2nd in new hampshire or even 1st. and then after that the grassroots and his addicting message would capture the rest. onward to 2012!

South Park Fan
06-10-2010, 05:25 PM
So, if we averaged this with the Rasmussen poll, it's Obama 44, Paul 38.5, which is still very good at this point.

rich34
06-10-2010, 05:43 PM
It would be tough, but if the damn republican party would quit blatently sabotaging Ron's chances of winnning the republican primary, I absolutely feel with all my heart he'll win it all. It's the "heart" of the GOP that just can't seem to stand him. They're like a roadblock that we must so how try and get around or convert them over. Even though they may not like Ron, if he could somehow pull off winning the primary you know they'll eventually "fall in line" before they vote for that socialist Obama. And considering the independent vote is overwhelmingly supporting Ron along with the rest of the GOP hell Ron could actually get 50 percent of the votei imo.

devil21
06-10-2010, 05:51 PM
Interesting take on Paul:

All five of the possible GOP contenders lead Obama with independents, but Paul does so by the widest margin at 46-28.

It has been easy in the past to write Paul off as irrelevant but this anti-politician climate is giving his movement some steam. Paul's going to have an interesting choice in the next year or so. If his goal is really to be President rather than to influence the national dialogue then he should probably keep on trying to win the GOP nomination, as improbable as that might be. But if he wants to guarantee himself a major role in the 2012 contest he should run as a third party candidate instead. Polling at 5-10% nationally in the general election would get his views a much wider airing than just trudging along through the Republican nomination process and hoping to get 10-15% in each primary.

Unfortunately, it would also pretty much guarantee a second term for Obama if Ron ran 3rd party. At this point, GOP nomination or nothing imho.

(Nevermind the difficulty getting into debates as 3rd party and then also the media's attempts to stomp out his campaign in favor of status quo candidates that will surely ensue.)

AlexMerced
06-10-2010, 09:09 PM
State polls as of now:
7% in Iowa (PPP, May 31 2010, 7 choices - Demint & Thune): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/early-republican-numbers.html
7% in South Carolina (PPP, May 31 2010, 6 choices - Demint -): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/early-republican-numbers.html
6% in Michigan (PPP, May 31 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/early-republican-numbers.html
6% in New Hampshire (Magellan, May 2010, 7 choices): http://www.magellanstrategies.com/web/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Magellan-New-Hampshire-GOP-US-Senate-Primary-Survey-Release-0528101.pdf
10% in California (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/gingrich-looking-serious.html
9% in Colorado (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/PPP_Release_CO_518.pdf (PDF)
8% in North Carolina (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/looking-at-our-gop-polling.html
8% in Kentucky (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/paul-still-up-big.html
6% in Kentucky (PPP, May 2010, 5 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/paul-continues-to-lead-big.html
9% in Arizona (PPP, April 2010, 5 choices ): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/04/2012-gop-in-arizona.html
7% in New Hampshire (PPP, April 2010, 8 choices): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/04/romney-up-big-in-new-hampshire.html

National Polls previously:
PPP May 2010 national poll - 8% for Ron Paul - 5 way race - http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/05/jumble-for-gop.html
CNN April 2010 national poll: 8% for Ron Paul - 9 way race (w/Santorum, Pence, Barbour, Pawlenty, Gingrich): http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/04/13/rel7d.pdf (PDF)
PPP March 2010 national poll - 11% for Ron Paul - 4 way race (no Gingrich): http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/03/romney-leads-tight-republican-race.html
Gallup February 2010 poll: 2% for Ron Paul (open ended poll, so it's lower): http://www.gallup.com/poll/125777/Voters-Divided-Obama-Republican-Candidate-2012.aspx

Versus Obama:
PPP June 2010 poll: Obama 46 Paul 36 (Pauls win independents 46-28) http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/06/obama-up-in-2012-contests.html
Rasmussen March 2010 poll: Obama 42 Paul 41 (highlighted by Drudge) http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_barack_obama_42_ron_paul_41
PPP November 2009 poll: Obama 46 Paul 38 http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/monthly-2012-numbers.html


So he dropped two points since the last time PPP polled him against Obama... hmmmmm...

Agorism
06-10-2010, 09:19 PM
YouTube - Ron Paul Reagan and Goldwater Platform Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flJvKPM_Nf4#t=5m38s)

rich34
06-10-2010, 09:22 PM
Guys these poll numbers for Ron at this point is HUGE imo if he so decides to run. Us veterans that were here since the beginning I'm sure can remember how the GOP was caught many times not even including Ron in any of the polls even though his fundraising was rising at an exponential pace which should have correlated in a jump in the polls. However, this time around Ron is already over the 5 percent threshold nationally and in a ton of states especially the early ones. If Ron decides to run I think we have a great shot folks!!

MikeStanart
06-10-2010, 09:33 PM
Guys these poll numbers for Ron at this point is HUGE imo if he so decides to run. Us veterans that were here since the beginning I'm sure can remember how the GOP was caught many times not even including Ron in any of the polls even though his fundraising was rising at an exponential pace which should have correlated in a jump in the polls. However, this time around Ron is already over the 5 percent threshold nationally and in a ton of states especially the early ones. If Ron decides to run I think we have a great shot folks!!

Yeah, we definetly have a little more clout this time around. If Paul decides to run.....
"RON PAUL FOR THE LONG HAUL"

Anti Federalist
06-10-2010, 09:38 PM
Yeah, we definetly have a little more clout this time around. If Paul decides to run.....
"RON PAUL FOR THE LONG HAUL"

YouTube - Ron Paul - For the Long Haul - Rap (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t724bHjCa-I)

jake
06-10-2010, 09:49 PM
So he dropped two points since the last time PPP polled him against Obama... hmmmmm...

i'd assume that's easily within the margin of error

sailingaway
06-10-2010, 11:45 PM
i'd assume that's easily within the margin of error

They say Obama went up against all of them, also. They polled last time just about when Brown was elected which was Obama's all time low approval rating, I believe.

Captain America
06-11-2010, 01:36 AM
this is ronpaulforums but i have to say Ron is the only chance of the US Ship not sinking into history

Lucille
06-11-2010, 07:32 AM
HotAir (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/06/10/poll-biggest-republican-threat-to-obama-among-independents-is-ron-paul/):
Poll: Biggest Republican threat to Obama among independents is … Ron Paul

http://media.hotair.com/wp/wp-content/cachefly/images/2007-06/paul-back.jpg

Uh oh.

Heh.

Not surprised AP didn't mention Paul's CPAC win, or his one vote loss to Mandate Mitt RomneyCare at the SRLC.


@daveweigel (http://twitter.com/daveweigel): Oh, by the way, Ron Paul's CPAC straw poll victory meant nothing. Nothing at all. Move along... #kysen #randslide


It's also a good time to revisit this (http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/29/poll-bloggers-approval-rating-a-cool-84/):


Exit question: Kathleen Parker is more popular than Ron Paul? The paleocons really are finished, aren’t they?

I suppose you could say that, if you exist in a neoclown blog bubble.


2012 is still a long way off.

Explore the Ron Paul Forums to understand what a threat Ron Paul and his supporters are to the Republican Party in 2010!

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/

Wake up! Find out if there are any Ron Paul candidates running for office in your district.

wren on June 11, 2010 at 12:24 AM

Scary! ::waves to the lurking, frightened, extremely unpopular, disastrous Bushtards::